A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[Aqua Buddha 14610]

The reason is obvious.  He's running because he needs the money.  He can't "fundraise" if he doesn't run.  His entire revenue stream at this point is begging people for small donations.  Billionaire indeed.

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

3 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The reason is obvious.  He's running because he needs the money.  He can't "fundraise" if he doesn't run.  His entire revenue stream at this point is begging people for small donations.  Billionaire indeed.

Plus he can pay himself with our tax dollars to vacation at his own private properties. And use donations to pay himself to hold campaign events there. And other Republicans and authoritarian foreign powers like the Saudis will lodge and/or hold events there in order to curry his favor. It’s all about the grift. 

[Eskimohorn 5642]

Yes he does, for all practical purposes. He’s raised more money than the RNC since Jan. 6. When he ran for re-election, his re-election campaign and the RNC were a single entity. He took control of their donor database and every rally he holds adds names and email addresses to his list. As soon as he wins the nomination, every Republican who might have had a fantasy about moving on without him will fall in line. A few will leave the party. But it’s his party. 

I’d guess he raises a ton of Russian, Saudi, and even Chinese money. Trump is the tip of the spear against Western democracy.

[Mdhorn 5987]

7 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

yeah, and what will this actually accomplish?

If people want to take the high road, Trump's already had a term.  It's fair game to ask him about his charity and why it was dismantled and anything being released in testimony currently or from the first two impeachment hearings.  These are questions that should be answered.  But I agree with another poster, Republicans did away with debates and it's definitely not in his interest to do another one.   

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

17 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

I’d guess he raises a ton of Russian, Saudi, and even Chinese money. Trump is the tip of the spear against Western democracy.

Trump has said he likes the Saudis because, “They pay cash.

Oh, and it turns out that there really aren’t any regulations on funding for inaugural events and we’ll probably never know how much money Trump took from Russian oligarchs for that. 

Edited July 5, 2022 by WhatTheBuck

[pacman 7371]

Russia on the fence regarding getting Trump elected again.

 

 

[Eskimohorn 5642]

Russia on the fence regarding getting Trump elected again.
 
 

sure. one lie x one lie = zero

[Blotto 23575]

Anyone know the origin of the "Trump reportedly promising to destroy the Russian Federation and Putin's hegemony" reference? Cant find anything online that supports that claim. I would love to see Trump take that angle, but even I dont think dotard is that stupid. 

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

27 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Anyone know the origin of the "Trump reportedly promising to destroy the Russian Federation and Putin's hegemony" reference? Cant find anything online that supports that claim. I would love to see Trump take that angle, but even I dont think dotard is that stupid. 

Yeah, I’m not buying it. Trump called Putin a “genius” for declaring the Donbas region part of Russia. He’s never said anything negative about Putin in the past other than saying he was guilty of overreach in his initial invasion of Ukraine.

He loves Putin. He admires Putin. He wants to be Putin. If he could build a Trump Tower in Moscow tomorrow, he’d be all in. If he manages to get re-elected in 2024, Ukraine is fucked.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13523]

Dems need to wise up and start forcing the Trump vs. DeSantis battle. Dems need to start proclaiming that they're gearing up to face DeSantis in '24 as there is no way Trump can beat DeSantis in the primary.  Trump won't be able to not take the bait and will start attacking DeSantis.

[4th&Five 41590]

 

[Ojo Rojo 1968]

The best thing that could happen to the country is for Trump to start a third party.  That would divide the conservative vote and Biden would win another term. Alas, Trump is politically savvy enough to know this would happen.  Even though it's a battle between his lust for power (served by controlling his own party) and his lust for money (served by winning the presidency), I think the lust for money wins out and he stays under the Republican tent.

[The Dog 44140]

6 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33899]

2 minutes ago, Ojo Rojo said:

The best thing that could happen to the country is for Trump to start a third party.  That would divide the conservative vote and Biden would win another term. Alas, Trump is politically savvy enough to know this would happen.  Even though it's a battle between his lust for power (served by controlling his own party) and his lust for money (served by winning the presidency), I think the lust for money wins out and he stays under the Republican tent.

yup, I have said this is one form or fashion several times. TFG might actually MAGA, but it will be completely by accident

[Red Five 40895]

Look at that man assaulting Rudy in that pic. I hope he was able to recover.

[The Dog 44140]

 

[TwiceHorn 31536]

4 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

That chart, or a series of them at justsecurity.org is good shit.  Didn't know that was out there.

[Neonmoon 38130]

6 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

There’s just so much evidence. Jesus. Just fucking charge him. For the love of America, charge the motherfucker 

[henrygandorf 29194]

9 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Dems need to wise up and start forcing the Trump vs. DeSantis battle. Dems need to start proclaiming that they're gearing up to face DeSantis in '24 as there is no way Trump can beat DeSantis in the primary.  Trump won't be able to not take the bait and will start attacking DeSantis.

 

[Brisketexan 105337]

 

PRESIDENT Ron DeSantis? Oh Donny….

[Bama Chick 28596]

[atomheartbevo 89799]

Appears to be fake or deleted, but totally believable.  

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

There’s just so much evidence. Jesus. Just fucking charge him. For the love of America, charge the motherfucker 

WHY NOT DONE?

[henrygandorf 29194]

hope?  a good 🧵

was not aware of the georgia pardon process. interesting. 

[tx 3 putt 77428]

aren't they all just going to plead the fifth ?

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19142]

4 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

hope?  a good 🧵

was not aware of the georgia pardon process. interesting. 

[DigglerontheHoof 21245]

I want to have hope that he'll get charged but...

[TwiceHorn 31536]

5 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

hope?  a good 🧵

was not aware of the georgia pardon process. interesting. 

So, no one seems to be accusing Ms. Willis of being a spineless pussy.

Yet, her investigation seems to be proceeding on a similar timeline to DOJ.

And, she didn't get an excess 800 turds to prosecute because of 1/6 and has fewer worries about the ramifications of the congressional committee.

[brown water 3778]

Here’s your one chance, Fani, don’t let me down 

[Underdog 28773]

ISWYDT

[Eskimohorn 5642]

 

Sleepy Joe Rogan was right there for the taking

[The Dog 44140]

6 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

hope?  a good 🧵

was not aware of the georgia pardon process. interesting. 

Even if the Georgia governor had the ability to pardon it wouldn't come from Kemp. 

[Biff Tannen 45741]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, no one seems to be accusing Ms. Willis of being a spineless pussy.

Yet, her investigation seems to be proceeding on a similar timeline to DOJ.

And, she didn't get an excess 800 turds to prosecute because of 1/6 and has fewer worries about the ramifications of the congressional committee.

I would venture a guess that's because she seemingly has less power than the DOJ.  Maybe that's wrong, but to the non-lawyers, it feels like the DOJ should be able to swing a bigger hammer than the DA for Fulton County.

[27-25 2055]

1 hour ago, brown water said:

Here’s your one chance, Fani, don’t let me down 

[The Dog 44140]

31 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I would venture a guess that's because she seemingly has less power than the DOJ.  Maybe that's wrong, but to the non-lawyers, it feels like the DOJ should be able to swing a bigger hammer than the DA for Fulton County.

She has a narrower scope so things can move along more quickly as a result. 

[Macanudo 13012]

1 hour ago, Eskimohorn said:

Sleepy Joe Rogan was right there for the taking

High Joe Rogan

[Red Five 40895]

 

It’s still hard to believe that the person who wrote that was President of the United States a year and a half ago.

Any other ex-President writes something like that and their family is taking them in for tests.

[Bozo_Casanova 26554]

4 hours ago, brown water said:

Here’s your one chance, Fani, don’t let me down 

this is how you get rep

[Bullneck 19206]

2 hours ago, 27-25 said:

I think he's referencing something else.  

I didn't realize Reba did a remake of this song.  

The song depicts its protagonist using prostitution to overcome childhood poverty. Gentry viewed the song as a feminist statement:^[1]

"Fancy" is my strongest statement for women's lib, if you really listen to it. I agree wholeheartedly with that movement and all the serious issues that they stand for — equality, equal pay, day care centers, and abortion rights.

The Southern Gothic style-song is told from the perspective of a woman named Fancy looking back to the summer she was 18 years old.

Fancy and her "plain white trash" family (a baby sibling and their mother, the father having abandoned them) lived in poverty — "a one room, rundown shack on the outskirts of New Orleans". Her mother is terminally ill and has no way to care for the baby.

In a last desperate act to save Fancy from the cycle of poverty, her mother spends her last money to buy Fancy a red "dancing dress", makeup and perfume, and a locket inscribed with the phrase "To thine own self be true". She encourages Fancy to "start movin' uptown" and to "be nice to the gentlemen, Fancy, and they'll be nice to you," saying that this is the only way Fancy will be able to gain financial independence.

Fancy recalls her mother's parting words: "Here's your one chance, Fancy, don't let me down" and "If you want out, well, it's up to you." Fancy departs, never to return; shortly thereafter, her mother dies and the baby is placed in foster care. She becomes trapped in her new way of life, her "head hung down in shame," and vows to find a way to become "a lady someday, though (she) didn't know when or how." Fancy is taken in off the streets by a "benevolent man" and begins having relationships with wealthy, powerful men, which she parlays into owning a Georgia mansion and a New York City townhouse flat. In the present day, fifteen years after being taken in off the streets, she denounces "self-righteous hypocrites" who criticize her mother for putting Fancy into that situation, justifying both her and her mother's actions by flashing back to the distress her mother expressed when she sent Fancy onto the streets, and celebrating the prosperity she now enjoys because of her actions.

Much of the fictional Fancy story had parallels in Gentry's own life: she too had grown up in poverty in the South, and less than a year prior to releasing the song, she married the casino magnate Bill Harrah in a marriage that would last less than a year. She also cited the film Ruby Gentry, from which she took her stage surname, as an inspiration for both the song and her personal life.^[2]

Edited July 6, 2022 by Bullneck

[TexasEd 8077]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

It’s still hard to believe that the person who wrote that was President of the United States a year and a half ago.

Any other ex-President writes something like that and their family is taking them in for tests.

They took for for tests but he aced Person, Man, Woman, Camera, TV and proclaimed himself a stable genius. 

[henrygandorf 29194]

4 hours ago, Red Five said:

Any other ex-President writes something like that and their family is taking them in for tests.

he begged to take the cognitive tests then he blew them all away with his abilities or something.

[Francisco 2.0 32428]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/us/politics/comey-mccabe-irs-audits.html

 

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Among tax lawyers, the most invasive type of random audit carried out by the I.R.S. is known, only partly jokingly, as “an autopsy without the benefit of death.”

The odds of being selected for that audit in any given year are tiny — out of nearly 153 million individual returns filed for 2017, for example, the I.R.S. targeted about 5,000, or roughly one out of 30,600.

 

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One of the few who received a bureaucratic letter with the news that his 2017 return would be under intensive scrutiny was James B. Comey, who had been fired as F.B.I. director that year by President Donald J. Trump. Furious over what he saw as Mr. Comey’s lack of loyalty and his pursuit of the Russia investigation, Mr. Trump had continued to rail against him even after his dismissal, accusing him of treason, calling for his prosecution and publicly complaining about the money Mr. Comey received for a book after his dismissal.

Mr. Comey was informed of the audit in 2019. Two years later, the I.R.S., still under the leadership of a Trump appointee after President Biden took office, picked about 8,000 returns for the same type of audit Mr. Comey had undergone from the 154 million individual returns filed in 2019, or about one in 19,250.

 

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Among those who were chosen to have their 2019 returns scrutinized was the man who had been Mr. Comey’s deputy at the bureau: Andrew G. McCabe, who served several months as acting F.B.I. director after Mr. Comey’s firing.

Mr. McCabe was later dismissed by the Trump Justice Department after its watchdog accused him of misleading internal F.B.I. investigators. Like Mr. Comey, he had come to be perceived as an enemy by Mr. Trump, who assailed him, accused him of treason and raised questions about his finances long after pushing for his dismissal and prosecution, a pattern that continued even after Mr. Trump lost the 2020 election and began trying to overturn the results.

 

Spoiler

Mr. Comey and Mr. McCabe — whose spouses were also audited because both couples filed joint returns — provided the letters initiating their audits to The New York Times. Mr. Comey provided The Times with a privacy release allowing the I.R.S. to respond to a Freedom of Information Act request about his case. Neither man knew that the other had been audited until they were told by a reporter for The Times.

The minuscule chances of the two highest-ranking F.B.I. officials — who made some of the most politically consequential law enforcement decisions in a generation — being randomly subjected to a detailed scrub of their tax returns a few years after leaving their posts presents extraordinary questions.

Was it sheer coincidence that two close associates would randomly come under the scrutiny of the same audit program within two years of each other? Did something in their returns increase the chances of their being selected? Could the audits have been connected to criminal investigations pursued by the Trump Justice Department against both men, neither of whom was ever charged?

Or did someone in the federal government or at the I.R.S. — an agency that at times, like under the Nixon administration, was used for political purposes but says it has imposed a range of internal controls intended to thwart anyone from improperly using its powers — corrupt the process?

“Lightning strikes, and that’s unusual, and that’s what it’s like being picked for one of these audits,” said John A. Koskinen, the I.R.S. commissioner from 2013 to 2017. “The question is: Does lightning then strike again in the same area? Does it happen? Some people may see that in their lives, but most will not — so you don’t need to be an anti-Trumper to look at this and think it’s suspicious.”

How taxpayers get selected for the program of intensive audits — known as the National Research Program — is closely held. The I.R.S. is prohibited by law from discussing specific cases, further walling off from scrutiny the type of audit Mr. Comey and Mr. McCabe faced.

The I.R.S. commissioner, Charles P. Rettig, who was appointed to the post by Mr. Trump in 2018, declined to be interviewed about the audits, discussions he may have had with Mr. Trump or his political appointees, or how compliance research examinations work. But in a written statement, the agency said he had no role in selecting candidates for audit.

“Commissioner Rettig is not involved in individual audits or taxpayer cases; those are handled by career civil servants,” the statement said. “As I.R.S. commissioner, he has never been in contact with the White House — in either administration — on I.R.S. enforcement or individual taxpayer matters. He has been committed to running the I.R.S. in an impartial, unbiased manner from top to bottom.”

Pressed on whether the I.R.S. would look into the questions raised by the Comey and McCabe audits, the agency noted in its statement — without referring specifically to their cases — that whenever it learns of allegations of wrongdoing, it reaches out to the inspector general for tax administration in the Treasury Department “for further review.”

Asked about the audits, Mr. Trump, through a spokeswoman, said, “I have no knowledge of this.” He went on to point to reports from the Justice Department’s inspector general that were critical of Mr. Comey and Mr. McCabe.

Former I.R.S. officials and tax lawyers said that given the array of reforms imposed on the agency after the Watergate scandal, they believed it would be difficult for a president or an appointee to direct an audit at a political opponent.

But the officials and lawyers said that because Mr. Trump repeatedly tried to use the powers of the federal government against his rivals and to overturn the election, and because the I.R.S. conducted an extensive audit on two people whom he routinely pushed to have prosecuted, the tax inspector general or Congress should investigate the circumstances.

Mr. Comey’s audit, which lasted over a year, revealed that he and his wife, Patrice Comey, had overpaid their 2017 federal income taxes. They received a $347 refund.

“I don’t know whether anything improper happened, but after learning how unusual this audit was and how badly Trump wanted to hurt me during that time, it made sense to try to figure it out,” Mr. Comey said in a statement. “Maybe it’s a coincidence or maybe somebody misused the I.R.S. to get at a political enemy. Given the role Trump wants to continue to play in our country, we should know the answer to that question.”

Mr. McCabe said that his audit determined that he and his wife, Jill McCabe, owed the federal government a small amount of money, which they paid. He said he now believed the audit had concluded.

“The revenue agent I dealt with was professional and responsive,” Mr. McCabe said. “Nevertheless, I have significant questions about how or why I was selected for this.”

Under the Microscope

The audits conducted on Mr. Comey, Mr. McCabe and their spouses, according to the letters they received from the agency, were carried out under an I.R.S. research program to learn who is — and who is not — paying their taxes.

The agency uses these “compliance research examinations” to determine the tax gap and adjust its dragnets, including a closely guarded formula that is intended to catch tax cheats. The number of audits carried out declined beginning with returns for 2015 because of budget strains before turning up somewhat in 2018 and 2019, the most recent years for which figures are available.

“Your federal income tax return for the year shown above was selected at random for a compliance research examination,” the letters to both the Comeys and the McCabes said. “We must examine randomly selected tax returns to better understand tax compliance and improve fairness of the tax system. We’ll give you the opportunity to explain any errors we may find during the examination.”

In many instances, the agency catches taxpayers who undergo the audits understating their incomes and overstating their deductions, forcing them to pay penalties and interest. Even if a person has done nothing wrong, the process can take months and cost thousands of dollars in accountant fees.

Unlike a typical audit that asks individuals to explain a specific part of their taxes, these audits comb through the full return, forcing taxpayers in some cases to go to great lengths to essentially recreate their finances for the year in question.

Those being audited are often forced to produce bank records, copies of checks, receipts and letters documenting donations to determine whether they are properly reporting income and expenses and are not hiding assets.

In the case of the Comeys, it cost $5,000 in accountant fees. The I.R.S. agent conducting the audit spent at least 50 working hours on it, including meeting face to face with the family’s accountant, who drove several hours to meet the agent, according to internal I.R.S. documents produced in response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed by The Times.

Along with having to produce all of his personal financial information, like brokerage and bank statements, Mr. Comey gave the I.R.S. a copy of his family’s Christmas card that had a photograph to prove that he had the children he had claimed as dependents.

 

The audit went so deeply into his finances that his accountant had a back and forth with the agency about how much the Comeys had spent on office supplies purchased more than two years earlier. In an series of documents the accountant provided to the I.R.S. in February 2020, the accountant said that Mr. Comey, originally going by memory, had provided far too low an estimate about how much he had spent on them.

“I have attached an invoice to support the cost of the MacBook Air for $1,761,” Mr. Comey’s accountant wrote to the agent in a letter. “He also bought a printer and toner, charged on his AMX, 9/29/17. Mr. Comey has requested a copy of the statement for that month. I will also fax that document to you, when I get it. ”

A month later, Mr. Comey’s accountant pushed back on the invasiveness of the audit, likening it to a federal investigation.

“We had a long conversation,” the agent wrote in her notes about the call. “He said he couldn’t understand this audit, and this is how a fraud case is audited. He also couldn’t understand why I requested all bank statements.”

The agent said that she explained to the accountant that this was how the audits were conducted if someone like Mr. Comey, who had business expenses, did not keep formal books.

Politics and Taxes

Mr. Comey and Mr. McCabe generated ire across partisan lines during their tumultuous tenures at the F.B.I. Along with being atop Mr. Trump’s list of enemies, Mr. Comey in particular was blamed by many Hillary Clinton supporters for the election of Mr. Trump because of how he handled the investigation of her emails during the 2016 election.

The type of audit that the Comeys and McCabes faced was devised to select taxpayers through a statistical software program that groups them by certain undisclosed factors. The system “does not entail employees manually selecting individuals for examination,” the agency said.

It is illegal under federal law for anyone in the executive branch — with a few narrow exceptions — to request that the I.R.S. conduct an audit or an investigation of someone’s taxes. Any I.R.S. employee receiving such a request is required to report it to the Treasury Department’s inspector general for tax administration. Those caught violating the law can be sentenced to up to five years in prison.

Mr. Trump, as president, attacked Mr. Comey regularly, calling hima “dirty cop” who “should be tried for treason” and “should be arrested on the spot!”

He similarly attacked Mr. McCabe, including accusing him of treason. A year before Mr. McCabe’s audit began, Mr. Trump, while still president, publicly asked about Mr. McCabe’s finances, repeating a longstanding false claim about donations that his wife had received when she ran for Virginia State Senate. 

 

“Was Andy McCabe ever forced to pay back the $700,000 illegally given to him and his wife, for his wife’s political campaign, by Crooked Hillary Clinton while Hillary was under FBI investigation, and McCabe was the head of the FBI??? Just askin’?” Mr. Trump tweeted in September 2020.

At a minimum, some lawyers said, Mr. Trump’s public statements about Mr. Comey and Mr. McCabe, and the fact that the man Mr. Trump appointed to the I.R.S. was running it at the time of the audits, could create a perception that the I.R.S. might have been used to carry out a political vendetta.

“When something like that happens, the president’s involvement inevitably casts a shadow over an otherwise routine government function and harms the public’s confidence in the fair administration of taxes,” said Scott D. Michel, a longtime lawyer who specializes in tax disputes.

The audit of the Comeys began in November 2019. The audit of the McCabes started in October 2021, nine months after Mr. Trump left office. At the time both audits occurred, the I.R.S. was run by Mr. Rettig, whom Mr. Biden has allowed to stay on for a term set to expire in November.

During the 2016 election, Mr. Rettig, a Los Angeles-based tax lawyer, said that because Mr. Trump was under audit, he should “absolutely not” release his tax returns.

The I.R.S. audit of the Comeys’ 2017 return started in 2019, three months after Mr. Trump blew up at his attorney general at the time, William P. Barr, over his decision to not charge Mr. Comey with a crime for how he handled memos that Mr. Comey kept on his interactions with the president. Mr. Comey had signed a lucrative book deal in 2017.

In the middle of Mr. Comey’s audit, in January 2020, it was publicly disclosed that he and a longtime friend and adviser, Daniel C. Richman, were under investigation by the Justice Department on suspicion of leaking information related to Mr. Comey’s decision making in the investigation of Mrs. Clinton.

Prosecutors were focused on whether the two men had provided classified information to reporters as they tried to provide a rationale for why Mr. Comey held a news conference to announce the conclusion of the investigation into Mrs. Clinton’s use of a personal email account. The investigation of Mr. Comey and Mr. Richman was closed without anyone being charged.

 

In the days after Mr. Comey was fired in May 2017, Mr. McCabe took over as acting F.B.I. director and opened investigations into whether Mr. Trump had obstructed justice in firing Mr. Comey and whether the president, because of his ties to Russia, was a counterintelligence threat to the United States.

The Justice Department in 2018 fired Mr. McCabe and took away his pension, a move that Mr. Trump applauded. The department conducted a wide-ranging investigation into Mr. McCabe after his firing.

His audit focused on his 2019 return. That year, with Mr. McCabe still a regular target of criticism from Mr. Trump, Justice Department prosecutors told Mr. McCabe’s lawyers that they planned to ask a grand jury to indict him, claiming he had made false statements to internal bureau investigators.

Despite presenting evidence to the grand jury, no charges were ever filed, leading some legal experts to conclude that the grand jury had made the rare move of deciding that there was no basis to charge him.

Shortly after Merrick B. Garland became attorney general last year in the early months of the Biden administration, Justice Department lawyers began negotiations with Mr. McCabe’s lawyers to resolve a lawsuit he had brought against the department, claiming that his firing was retaliatory and politically motivated.

In October 2021, the department settled, reinstating Mr. McCabe’s pension and cleansing his personnel record of his firing. Around that time he received the letter from the I.R.S. beginning the audit. Last month, Mr. McCabe was told it had been completed.

 

[WhatTheBuck 28798]

5 hours ago, TexasEd said:

They took for for tests but he aced Person, Man, Woman, Camera, TV and proclaimed himself a stable genius. 

And he identified a picture of a camel!

[Gil Bang 26020]

 

[Blotto 23575]

13 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, no one seems to be accusing Ms. Willis of being a spineless pussy.

Yet, her investigation seems to be proceeding on a similar timeline to DOJ.

And, she didn't get an excess 800 turds to prosecute because of 1/6 and has fewer worries about the ramifications of the congressional committee.

It shouldnt even be something that some f'n DA in GA even has to deal with. The federal government should have already put that fat orange fuck on trial, convicted the dumb bastard, and shot him into the sun. He's on tape trying to strongarm state officials into overturning election results. He led an insurrection at the capital. For fucks sake, even if Fani manages to get a conviction, a GOP led Congress and the SC will likely just declare the results meaningless. If the federal government is incapable of trying and punishing Trump for his crimes, the country will officially be over. And waiting around until the GOP wins back Congress and likely the WH, seems like a suboptimal strategy. Lets show a little fucking hustle here, Merrick. 

[Biff Tannen 45741]

1 hour ago, Blotto said:

If the federal government is incapable of trying and punishing Trump for his crimes, the country will officially be over

[troph 24906]

2 hours ago, Blotto said:

It shouldnt even be something that some f'n DA in GA even has to deal with. The federal government should have already put that fat orange fuck on trial, convicted the dumb bastard, and shot him into the sun. He's on tape trying to strongarm state officials into overturning election results. He led an insurrection at the capital. For fucks sake, even if Fani manages to get a conviction, a GOP led Congress and the SC will likely just declare the results meaningless. If the federal government is incapable of trying and punishing Trump for his crimes, the country will officially be over. And waiting around until the GOP wins back Congress and likely the WH, seems like a suboptimal strategy. Lets show a little fucking hustle here, Merrick. 

100% this. Meaningful jail time for him and his cronies may be the only remaining deterrent. The Supreme Court won’t stop them.  

[henrygandorf 29194]

3 hours ago, Blotto said:

It shouldnt even be something that some f'n DA in GA even has to deal with. The federal government should have already put that fat orange fuck on trial, convicted the dumb bastard, and shot him into the sun. He's on tape trying to strongarm state officials into overturning election results. He led an insurrection at the capital. For fucks sake, even if Fani manages to get a conviction, a GOP led Congress and the SC will likely just declare the results meaningless. If the federal government is incapable of trying and punishing Trump for his crimes, the country will officially be over. And waiting around until the GOP wins back Congress and likely the WH, seems like a suboptimal strategy. Lets show a little fucking hustle here, Merrick. 

seems like if you’re a republican you can commit all the federal crimes you want and then just play the waiting game. state shit is the only tool we’ve got in the box. 

[TwiceHorn 31536]

3 hours ago, Blotto said:

It shouldnt even be something that some f'n DA in GA even has to deal with. The federal government should have already put that fat orange fuck on trial, convicted the dumb bastard, and shot him into the sun. He's on tape trying to strongarm state officials into overturning election results. He led an insurrection at the capital. For fucks sake, even if Fani manages to get a conviction, a GOP led Congress and the SC will likely just declare the results meaningless. If the federal government is incapable of trying and punishing Trump for his crimes, the country will officially be over. And waiting around until the GOP wins back Congress and likely the WH, seems like a suboptimal strategy. Lets show a little fucking hustle here, Merrick. 

Well, if you're talking about some general notion of criminal liability, maybe you're right.

But, from a legal perspective, the operation of elections is governed almost exclusively by state law until you get to the electoral college aspect of it.

What occurred in Georgia most likely violated Georgia law and only Georgia law.  So if anyone is going to prosecute for those violations, it's going to be a Georgia DA.

Another thing is this.  If the DOJ had been very actively prosecuting 1/6 crimes at the White House level, it would have made the operation of the 1/6 Committee infinitely more difficult, if not impossible.  While the Committee is free to be public about its proceedings and investigation and to share its work product with the DOJ, the converse is not true.  Congress has no right whatsoever to investigative material from the DOJ and it would be bad policy and precedent for the DOJ to volunteer such material to Congress or to the public.

If we believe that the 1/6 Committee has an important mission in terms of exposing to the public what happened, then the DOJ is absolutely correct in restraining itself until the Committee has completed its work.

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1990 Playgirl... One woman, reportedly 

Edited July 7, 2022 by B00M