A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[Chopper 17235]

Georgetown Law prof making a good point about the "unprecedented" framing

 

[MissingInAction 25071]

Trumpn is totally getting put on double secret probation.

[Beau Vine 54225]

3 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, the entire right wing media coalescing around “if they can do this to him they can do it to you!” messaging is a very bad harbinger.

Reminds me of when Magic Johnson got HIV, and people were saying, "If Magic can catch HIV, so can you."  I was like WTF?  He fucks hundreds of strange each year in every NBA city and I've been dating the same girl for three years, so no, I don't think that's true.

[Nivek 16929]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

This guy gets it. Remember, they might have tried to overthrow the government and overturn free and fair elections and they are going to murder an FBI agent or two in the next few weeks, but the alternative is "SOCALISM!!! EHRMAGERD LIKE USSR AND THE NAZIS!!" That's worse to them, because they are morons and have been brainwashed to ignore what the left's positions actually are and what they are intended to accomplish. It's just "SOCIALISM" oh and the deficit that always falls under democrats and rises under republicans, but they are fully convinced it's the other way around, and that the federal budget is like your family checkbook. It's over guys, like conference realignmen, I just want to see what's next for us. 

It's not overthrowing the government if its your team (R).   It's securing America's future by replacing certain elements from governance first.  

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Nivek

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1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

 

so it now goes to Ginni’s court and her husband (and his cronies) tosses this out ?

[BrickHorn 18233]

1 minute ago, Beau Vine said:

Reminds me of when Magic Johnson got HIV, and people were saying, "If Magic can catch HIV, so can you."  I was like WTF?  He fucks hundreds of strange each year in every NBA city and I've been dating the same girl for three years, so no, I don't think that's true.

What they meant is that if the guy sleeping with hundreds of women every year has AIDS, then you can get it too because odds are high that your girlfriend was one of those hundreds.

[Aqua Buddha 14596]

 

[Nivek 16929]

1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

Fox and the right wing have no sense of strategery. They are going to look so stupid if this turns out to be a bigger scandal. All of them are on-record trying to run interference.

You must be new.  

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5 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Reminds me of when Magic Johnson got HIV, and people were saying, "If Magic can catch HIV, so can you."  I was like WTF?  He fucks hundreds of strange each year in every NBA city and I've been dating the same girl for three years, so no, I don't think that's true.

you’re Eskimo bros with magic Johnson ? 
 

not cool 

[immamac 42850]

2 hours ago, kevwun said:

The best case is that they have proof he was selling/trading classified documents to foreign countries.  That would shut up all but the most diehard trumpers.

This would be a worst case scenario. Best case is he just had shit that he really shouldn’t have and they ban him from office over jt. 

[Chopper 17235]

20 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Sorry, he was informed the New York times is not a legitimate NEWS source by people whose own network declares that their hosts are not legitimate or credible.   

I can't claim credit for this idea because I saw it on a tv detective show. If I killed your dad, and you killed my stepdad, on separate days, and we had solid alibis for the murder of our own family member, for which we may be likely suspects, we'd totally get away with it.

NM I just remembered the ruse was discovered on the detective show and everyone got busted.

[kevwun 15787]

4 minutes ago, immamac said:

This would be a worst case scenario. Best case is he just had shit that he really shouldn’t have and they ban him from office over jt. 

No, it needs to be a terrible crime because otherwise a whole lot of Republicans will just call it a witch hunt and move on.  If he was selling secret materials, only the crazies in Congress like MTG and Goetz will still defend him. 

 

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by kevwun

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4 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I can't claim credit for this idea because I saw it on a tv detective show. If I killed your dad, and you killed my stepdad, on separate days, and we had solid alibis for the murder of our own family member, for which we may be likely suspects, we'd totally get away with it.

NM I just remembered the ruse was discovered on the detective show and everyone got busted.

[TwiceHorn 31465]

2 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

As you know, we can't let the threat of violence stop government function or law enforcement. Nixon was spared prosecution by pardon to spare him further humiliation and to allow the country to move on from Watergate not fear of violence.

Trump has employed violence already now largely endorsed by the criminal organization called the GOP. If we stand down in the face of that, we've just found a shamefully passive way to abandon the last shreds of the republic. We can choose to peacefully go on in a fascist honky-run banana republic watching our favorite shows on the TV, or we can pull the rock off this next of scorpions and see if we can survive the stings to restore an actual repubic.

Do we risk watering the tree of liberty or tamely choose not to risk our comfortable lives? I don't pretend it's an easy choice.

Trump is irreplaceable to his followers. They're not looking to follow DeSantis or any other GOP; they're addicted and enthralled to Donald Trump. If he's broken the law (he has), then bring him down through law enforcement. If some of his followers resort to terrorism (they will), apply law enforcement. If the tens of millions dedicated to Trump rise up for a civil war (they won't) invoke martial law and slaughter them.

An indictment won't be the cause of civil turmoil. The actual cause is the traitor Donald Trump who seized the reins of the hate engine and, necessarily, the GOP. Tear. Them. Down.

 

I don't disagree with any of that.

But, the armchair legal strategists think the DOJ is concerned with the "apperance," "political ramifications of," and turmoil caused by such an indictment.

I don't know how much that plays into their calculus, but I'm sure it does to some degree.

Either the armchair strategists are just wrong, and DOJ gives few or no fucks about search warrants and indictments as the evidence indicates.  Or, they're testing the waters a bit to see how bad it really is, and get an insight on how to "play it," or prevent vioence, or whatever arises.  The Fox/GQP/Trump reaction is entirely predictable.  Seeing who "wins" between that side of the country and the rest of us on the political ramifications may be an absolutely brilliant strategy.

[Nivek 16929]

1 hour ago, horn4life said:

The one thing you need to remember is that the GOP is an unethical, dishonest, and undemocratic party now. SO... UNDERSTAND. that when Dems do something rightful, moral and legal.  The Republicans will use the rightful, moral and legal actions by Democrats to justify their own dishonest, immoral and illegal actions.

This is where we are.  The GOP as a whole is a clear and present danger to American Democracy.  That a party I used to be a member of when Reagan was president has morphed into a party based on complete and total dishonesty on most every issue I can think of is horrifying to me.  The fact that they actually believe the lies instead of the truth means we have a large mob that can be convinced of anything, regardless of facts.  And that should fucking scare the shit out of every American true patrieot in this country.

Reagan was a less shitty than and Nixon, but Iran-Contra was a bunch of bullshit as was the war on drugs getting a 10x budget increase.  GHWB lied his ass off about crack being sold near the White House in order to push his bullshit escalations as well.   His son brought us Afghanistan and Iraq disasters.   This race to the bottom trajectory is consistent.    

[Nivek 16929]

8 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I can't claim credit for this idea because I saw it on a tv detective show. If I killed your dad, and you killed my stepdad, on separate days, and we had solid alibis for the murder of our own family member, for which we may be likely suspects, we'd totally get away with it.

NM I just remembered the ruse was discovered on the detective show and everyone got busted.

Yeah, I don't want him dead, I just want my sister to hide his keys on election days.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

Trump real estate appraiser hands over thousands of documents to N.Y. AG in civil probe

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/08/trump-real-estate-appraiser-hands-over-thousands-of-documents-to-ny-ag-in-civil-probe.html

 

He's having a great week!  The best week! 

[The Dog 44045]

[kevwun 15787]

As Omar once said, "You come at the King, you best not miss."  They're only going to get one shot at Trumping being banned from running for national office.  It needs to be because of a devastating charge like selling state secrets.  Fox News will even struggle to spin something like that.

Edited August 9, 2022 by kevwun

[chainsaw 9867]

Lincoln Project wing is licking their lips

Just now, The Dog said:

 

anyone dumb enough to represent him right now? who am i kidding, of course.

[Gap03 3306]

44 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

Andrew needs to shut the fuck up, go sit in the corner, and do some fucking maths.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, kevwun said:

As Omar once said, "You come at the King, you best not miss."  They're only going to get one shot at Trumping being banned from running for a national office.  It needs to be because of a devastating charge.

Seems like many shots have been taken already, all misses.  
 

 

[Goredho 17405]

29 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Reminds me of when Magic Johnson got HIV, and people were saying, "If Magic can catch HIV, so can you."  I was like WTF?  He fucks hundreds of strange each year in every NBA city and I've been dating the same girl for three years, so no, I don't think that's true.

He caught it from kissing Isaiah Thomas.  Prove me wrong!

[kevwun 15787]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Seems like many shots have been taken already, all misses.  
 

 

Not from Biden's DOJ.

Edited August 9, 2022 by kevwun

[chainsaw 9867]

2 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Andrew needs to shut the fuck up, go sit in the corner, and do some fucking maths.

Did anyone look into his math record? I bet he was a B- student tops

[Horn Dog 9854]

47 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

I am no fan of Charles Manson but part of his appeal to his followers was that it was him and his cult against the corrupt world.  Prosecuting him will seem like unjust persecution so we should just let him go.

[Goredho 17405]

20 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

If Jeffrey Dahmer can be thrown in jail, so can you!  Freedom in this country died the day Jeffrey was arrested!

Jeffrey Dahmer didn't kill himself

[chainsaw 9867]

 

[kevwun 15787]

Oh look, Andrew Yang is just asking questions again.

[ConferenceRoom 6141]

5 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

 

I like the term "claptrap." 

[Nivek 16929]

16 minutes ago, Gap03 said:

Andrew needs to shut the fuck up, go sit in the corner, and do some fucking maths.

things that make me surly...

Edited August 9, 2022 by Nivek

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

15 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Not from Biden's DOJ.

Does not inspire confidence at all

[Js1 85331]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Does not inspire confidence at all

Debbie Downer routine is getting old. 

['stache 21815]

18 minutes ago, kevwun said:

As Omar once said, "You come at the King, you best not miss."  They're only going to get one shot at Trumping being banned from running for national office.  It needs to be because of a devastating charge like selling state secrets.  Fox News will even struggle to spin something like that.

They have already spun his Russian collusion to interfere with an election, his big lie on the election he lost, and inciting an insurrection, among a hundred other things he's done, including denying covid was a problem and turning half the country against science and medicine. They can spin this just as easily because their audience is a bunch of morons. All the evidence will support his indictment and they'll spin it as political. I already saw batshit tweets about how the FBI planted evidence. There's nothing that will change anyone's minds at this point. I fully support locking his fat ass up forever because he's a criminal and deserves it, not because it will have any effect on elections. I also enjoy somewhat the schadenfreude of him finding out.

['stache 21815]

29 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

This.  There will be a lot more violence if they try to prosecute Trump and disqualify him from running again for a reason that doesn’t seem like an awful, awful crime that everyone but the craziest of his supporters would at least feel uneasy about trying to defend.  If it’s not something horrible like selling state secrets, a whole lot of people - not just Q Shaman guy and that ilk, but a sizable percentage of the seemingly normal population - will go fucking nuts.

Remember how the shaman cried like a little bitch when he ended up in jail, along with some of the other insurrectionists who were sentenced? They're a bunch of pussies. They'll do their violence of course, some of them will be imprisoned, but none of it will amount to anything really. The real problem here is the elected officials all spouting this bullshit right now. It's why I think this country's lifespan is just about at its end. When people who are elected are free to ignore facts and reasons, and are willing to continue denying the legitimacy of a free and fair election, democracy has failed. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by 'stache

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

4 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Debbie Downer routine is getting old. 

Tone police routine also elderly 

[TXSG8R 3362]

Member during impeachment #1 we learned that Trump would move transcripts of calls to a classified system to keep them from being reviewed/handled by anyone outside the inner circle?  My guess is he did that for more than just phone calls, and at the end of his term he panicked on what to do with all this perfect stuff he classified that Biden would be able to review and declassify, so he took the shit with him. 

[chainsaw 9867]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tone police routine also elderly 

I understand both sides of this. Most politically unengaged people have the same take on this as the MAGA-brained, which is that there's no difference between Biden's DOJ and Mueller, Impeachment, J6 Committee, Clinton, etc. Whatever it is that's against Trump is "them," and "they" already tried and failed to hold him accountable for any of his obvious crimes.

The other side of the issue is that this "they" is actually a new "they" that doesn't deserve the baggage of the former "theys" failures.

Cautious optimism is warranted (pun intended) but I totally understand why someone would be pessimistic.

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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1556816677865660417?s=20&t=bE-N9sgbJ6c72ruG_xxVvQ

 

[Js1 85331]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Tone police routine also elderly 

How was that tone police? 

I don't think the Biden admin could do a single god damn thing to make you pleased, unless he quit and made Elizabeth Warren POTUS somehow. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20398]

57 minutes ago, immamac said:

This would be a worst case scenario. Best case is he just had shit that he really shouldn’t have and they ban him from office over jt. 

Your best case scenario doesn't involve feeding him to hungry sharks, so it can't be the best case scenario.

[WBT 20566]

56 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I can't claim credit for this idea because I saw it on a tv detective show. If I killed your dad, and you killed my stepdad, on separate days, and we had solid alibis for the murder of our own family member, for which we may be likely suspects, we'd totally get away with it.

NM I just remembered the ruse was discovered on the detective show and everyone got busted.

Your detective show ripped off Strangers on a Train.

[Chopper 17235]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Either the armchair strategists are just wrong, and DOJ gives few or no fucks about search warrants and indictments as the evidence indicates.  Or, they're testing the waters a bit to see how bad it really is, and get an insight on how to "play it," or prevent vioence, or whatever arises.  The Fox/GQP/Trump reaction is entirely predictable.  Seeing who "wins" between that side of the country and the rest of us on the political ramifications may be an absolutely brilliant strategy.

Definitely not an "either, or" situation. By obtaining a search warrant, the FBI had to show exigent circumstances which made it unlikely that a simple subpoena to obtain the materials searched for would have worked. And a judge had to sign off on that. If reports I've read this morning are correct, that judge was one appointed by Trump himself although of course they're now trying to smear that person. Further, Garland has shown nothing to indicate he's a political crony of the President, quite unlike every two-bit hack who occupied the office of the USAG under Trump.

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

As Omar once said, "You come at the King, you best not miss."  They're only going to get one shot at Trumping being banned from running for national office.  It needs to be because of a devastating charge like selling state secrets.  Fox News will even struggle to spin something like that.

There are multiple-ongoing investigations right now and what's happening in GA and could soon be happening in MI, shouldn't be overlooked.

1 hour ago, kevwun said:

Not from Biden's DOJ.

There's a list a mile long of criminal investigations against his political opponents that Trump tried to influence and/or called for when he occupied the White House.

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Does not inspire confidence at all

To quote Cale Gundy, "N...." ummmm never mind. Just leave it at Puh-leeze!

Edited August 9, 2022 by Chopper

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

12 minutes ago, Js1 said:

How was that tone police? 

I don't think the Biden admin could do a single god damn thing to make you pleased, unless he quit and made Elizabeth Warren POTUS somehow. 

I don’t think there is a single nice thing I could say about Biden to make you believe this isn’t true.  I don’t hate Biden, I hate that he’s exactly what I expected.  Elizabeth Warren will never be president and that’s okay, America will survive. 

 

[Azbadlands 109]

36 minutes ago, 'stache said:

Remember how the shaman cried like a little bitch when he ended up in jail, along with some of the other insurrectionists who were sentenced? They're a bunch of pussies. They'll do their violence of course, some of them will be imprisoned, but none of it will amount to anything really. The real problem here is the elected officials all spouting this bullshit right now. It's why I think this country's lifespan is just about at its end. When people who are elected are free to ignore facts and reasons, and are willing to continue denying the legitimacy of a free and fair election, democracy has failed. 

Well I guess we should just turn it into a 3rd world country with a Dictator and none of us will be able to question major statistical anomolies in elections at all?  And, you are right, this country is going into the shitter quickly....

Edited August 9, 2022 by Azbadlands

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[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20398]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

  I don’t hate Biden, I hate that he’s exactly what I expected.  

 

A man who got climate change/prescription drug prices/infrastructure/semiconductor research and invesment/veterans care/expanding NATO and rebuilding its trust in the United States/modest gun control  etc.... done?

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Horn Under a Bad Sign

[Beau Vine 54225]

 

[Js1 85331]

1 minute ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

A man who got climate change/prescription drug prices/infrastructure/veterans care/expanding NATO and rebuilding its trust in the United States/modest gun control  etc.... done?

 

Yeah but after all those other things!

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20398]

4 minutes ago, Azbadlands said:

Well I guess we should just turn it into a 3rd world country with a Dictator and none of us will be able to question statistical anomolies in elections at all?

There's a huge difference between questioning statistical anomolies and beating up police officers, breaking into the capitol, parading around like a maniac in a "shaman" costume, and then whining about it like a little bitch when you're brought to account for your actions.