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A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

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6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Shit is finna get real for Trump

 No it won’t. 

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2 hours ago, ChuckNorrisActionJeans said:

So the appeal to the 11th circuit--

TwiceHorn, you said before this will be an abuse of discretion standard. Which concerns me. Is there no argument to be made that it should be reviewed de novo?

That is, because Trump team has submitted no sworn facts as the party that petitioned for relief, the legitimacy of Cannon's stay is more in the way of a pure legal issue, rather than an application of the law to a known set of specific facts?  Just a thought 

I believe that to be true, yes.

However, there are a number of legal questions the district court either failed to answer or answered incorrectly, namely the executive privilege questions, and the ownership/access to classified documents.  If the 11th Circuit feels those were clearer questions with clearer answers, that clear error supports an abuse of discretion.  As a court of appeals, they probably are less reticent to empathically state what the law is than a baby trial judge that may be in the bag for Trump.

Also, setting aside MAGAT jurists, of which I think there are actually few. there seems to be a belief that conservative jurists may favor an "imperial presidency" or however you wish to term that, and that strengthening executive privilege strengthens the presidency.  I read an article from a conservative source that points out that strengthening executive privilege in the hands of a former president actually weakens the assertion of the privilege by the office of the president and the sitting president.  So, if strengthening the presidency longer term is the goal of certain jurists and justices, helping Trump out here actually is against their broader policy interests.

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20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I believe that to be true, yes.

However, there are a number of legal questions the district court either failed to answer or answered incorrectly, namely the executive privilege questions, and the ownership/access to classified documents.  If the 11th Circuit feels those were clearer questions with clearer answers, that clear error supports an abuse of discretion.  As a court of appeals, they probably are less reticent to empathically state what the law is than a baby trial judge that may be in the bag for Trump.

Also, setting aside MAGAT jurists, of which I think there are actually few. there seems to be a belief that conservative jurists may favor an "imperial presidency" or however you wish to term that, and that strengthening executive privilege strengthens the presidency.  I read an article from a conservative source that points out that strengthening executive privilege in the hands of a former president actually weakens the assertion of the privilege by the office of the president and the sitting president.  So, if strengthening the presidency longer term is the goal of certain jurists and justices, helping Trump out here actually is against their broader policy interests.

If we ever get past this as a nation, do you think after the dust settles we will learn about a judiciary in which money changed hands or mob threats were made? I genuinely cannot see any difference between what we have here and what we say happens in the Mexican court system.

If we ever get past this as a nation, do you think after the dust settles we will learn about a judiciary in which money changed hands or mob threats were made? I genuinely cannot see any difference between what we have here and what we say happens in the Mexican court system.

As someone who literally makes their living in that system, I can tell you that we’ve moved a lot closer to the authoritarian/not rule of law model than I ever imagined possible. It’s horrifying.
1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:


As someone who literally makes their living in that system, I can tell you that we’ve moved a lot closer to the authoritarian/not rule of law model than I ever imagined possible. It’s horrifying.

It is horrifying. Makes you wonder why anyone bothers trying to make an honest living.

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

If we ever get past this as a nation, do you think after the dust settles we will learn about a judiciary in which money changed hands or mob threats were made? I genuinely cannot see any difference between what we have here and what we say happens in the Mexican court system.

She may well be in the bag for Trump, but if that's the case, I very highly doubt she was actually bribed or threatened.

Judges fuck shit up all the time for all manner of reasons, sometimes they're just dumb or have a blind spot.

One thing I think is clear is that she read too much into the Supreme Court's statement in denying cert. in Trump v. Thompson.  https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/21A272  particularly this:  "The questions whether and in what circumstances a former President may obtain a court order preventing disclosure of privileged records from his tenure in office, in the face of a determination by the incumbent President to waive the privilege, are unprecedented and raise serious and substantial concerns."

That makes the executive privilege issue look more nuanced or to be a tougher call than it probably is.  Although I don't believe the question here is that difficult, it is still an extension of existing law of the type I have seen new or not confident judges be unwilling to make.

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Heh. He really doesn’t want to face DeSantis in the primary.

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Also, setting aside MAGAT jurists, of which I think there are actually few

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3 hours ago, Brisketexan said:


As someone who literally makes their living in that system, I can tell you that we’ve moved a lot closer to the authoritarian/not rule of law model than I ever imagined possible. It’s horrifying.

I hope for the best and I am very well armed. 

2 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

I hope for the best and I am very well armed. 

 

we should put together a commune 

I don't trust the 11th Circuit at all. But this is at least a somewhat promising sign in that they're certainly signaling they intend to decide on the stay very soon.

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23 minutes ago, lemonlime said:
I don't trust the 11th Circuit at all. But this is at least a somewhat promising sign in that they're certainly signaling they intend to decide on the stay very soon.

 

yes, they're all on board with supporting trump and getting him back in office 

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

She may well be in the bag for Trump, but if that's the case, I very highly doubt she was actually bribed or threatened.

Judges fuck shit up all the time for all manner of reasons, sometimes they're just dumb or have a blind spot.

One thing I think is clear is that she read too much into the Supreme Court's statement in denying cert. in Trump v. Thompson.  https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/21A272  particularly this:  "The questions whether and in what circumstances a former President may obtain a court order preventing disclosure of privileged records from his tenure in office, in the face of a determination by the incumbent President to waive the privilege, are unprecedented and raise serious and substantial concerns."

That makes the executive privilege issue look more nuanced or to be a tougher call than it probably is.  Although I don't believe the question here is that difficult, it is still an extension of existing law of the type I have seen new or not confident judges be unwilling to make.

I like you, but you have a blind spot when it comes to justice.

You may be keeping it real, as depressing as that is, but it is tough to read.  Just venting.

44 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

yes, they're all on board with supporting trump and getting him back in office 

Eh, if that were true, they'd delay this.  Trump gains nothing by having a decision on a stay reached right away.. The more time lapses, the more likely trump gets off.  That they've asked for briefing right away is promising.

But, we don't know who's on the panel yet.  And even if the 11th grants a stay, fuck knows what Alito and Thomas et al will do.

2 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

we should put together a commune 

Oh hell another 3-hour meeting about where to buy soy milk...

They're not even trying to hide that they're Nazis.

 

That arena looks empty as fuck besides those floors seats

6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

Whoever originally tweeted that got it backwards. It’s 58% party and 33% trump.  MTP in the clip was trying to say that he is losing support, but still has enough to influence primaries. 
 

edit: that’s the MTP account? They got their own segment wrong?

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14 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

Totally incorrect.

MTP tweet and graph are opposed to each other.

Trump is losing ground in R Party.

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1 hour ago, SaucyJack said:

Totally incorrect.

MTP tweet and graph are opposed to each other.

Trump is losing ground in R Party.

They’re the same platforms. Trump’s brand is just being obnoxious and loud about their true feelings. 

Alternative headline - [x]% of respondents said they wanted to keep being loud about their deplorableness, [y]% would like to see if everyone forgets if they can all just shut the fuck up.

 

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10 hours ago, lemonlime said:

They're not even trying to hide that they're Nazis.

I appreciate that they aren’t hiding who they are, just as I appreciate Trump sucking up a lot of money that would have went to Republicans in the mid-term elections.

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Great point.  Trump's "legal bills/election protest" fund(s) could have easily bought a dozen House seats and pair of Senate seats.  But stupid gonna stupid.  

My dad and some cousins grew up in Youngstown, so meh. 
 

ulysses S Grant is apparently the heir apparent to F. Douglass?

 

 

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Not cool we’re letting this militarized death cult continue to mobilize around their perfidious charismatic leader. Especially after the failed insurrection. But oh well.

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3 hours ago, troph said:

This (imperial presidency) has been a conservative goal since Nixon resigned. Dick Cheney and one of the lawyers that served for GWB and all Republican presidents from Nixon until then were the chief proponents. It’s not a MAGA or Evangelical position necessarily. 

Oh agreed.  I think there are plenty of dangerous conservative beliefs among the judiciary that are not MAGAts.  Meaning could be found among any conservative appointments of the last 30-40 years.

I did find that article interesting, though, and I think it is more likely to represent the view of these conservative jurists than any explicitly pro-Trump stance.

it was American Enterprise Institute, by the way, criticizing the Kavanaugh "dissent thing" in Trump v Thompson by pointing out that giving increased executive privilege to past presidents actually weakens it in the hands of the incumbent president and thus undermines the imperial presidency in the long term.  https://www.aei.org/articles/trump-v-thompson-and-the-meaning-of-executive-privilege-today/

38 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

My dad and some cousins grew up in Youngstown, so meh. 
 

ulysses S Grant is apparently the heir apparent to F. Douglass?

 

 

That either makes you a Stoops, a Tressel, or a Pelini, so you can fuck right the fuck off.  

Either get a DNA test or go away 

8 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

seeing dozens and dozens of people doing that hand signal truly is haunting.

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1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

seeing dozens and dozens of people doing that hand signal truly is haunting.

 

 

And today:

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Wtf is happening

Nazis

I think we are too tolerant of cults here. Maybe we don't go the extreme China goes with oppressing the cults there but kid gloves treatment can be just as dangerous.

1 hour ago, speed817 said:

Nazis

yeah, that seems like a fucking problem

 

14 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Nazis

10 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

I think we are too tolerant of cults here. Maybe we don't go the extreme China goes with oppressing the cults there but kid gloves treatment can be just as dangerous

9 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

yeah, that seems like a fucking problem

I’d be a lot more worried if it wasn’t Trump grifting and trying to make the GOP about him, and was instead somebody like DeSantis getting these morons to raise their hands in cult salutes.  DeSantis is too smart for that though, and he doesn’t have Trump’s ability to turn a crowd into a cult.

1 hour ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

ulysses S Grant is apparently the heir apparent to F. Douglass?

He wants them to cheer on a Union general.  If they ever stop and think about it, it’ll probably make some of them uncomfortable. 

43 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He wants them to cheer on a Union general.  If they ever stop and think about it, it’ll probably make some of them uncomfortable. 

He's such a fucking dumbass, he probably thinks Grant = Civil War = Confederate.

Did Fat Orange Donny schedule a rally in Ohio when OSU was playing Toledo? Dumb cunt. 

50 minutes ago, Chooky said:

Did Fat Orange Donny schedule a rally in Ohio when OSU was playing Toledo? Dumb cunt. 

He was a guest of JD Vance... who's running for office to represent the state of Ohio. So yeah- not the brightest bulbs.

58 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

praise and attention is his drug

 

And adderall.

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