A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[Gengs1 2583]

10 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

shoot to kill, always 

Exactly, the dems still playing what will the republicans think if we do this, almost as if asking for their permission. Go for the kill

 

Them waiting for election is dumb, if they lose the house/senate, the Rs will stonewall the process to get their way and it will be over 

 

Edited September 30, 2022 by Gengs1

[Captainant 27239]

3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Anyone helping him delay things is complicit. I would totally be sympathetic if he had legitimate arguments. I'm completely in favor of due process and I don't like the government running over people. This is not that situation. We know who and what we're dealing with here. Delay for the sake of delay is wrong, and judges shouldn't tolerate it ever.

This exactly. Trump's arguments have not had any substance or actual grievance behind them. And any other citizen trying his shit would not get past thinking about it, and yet we must treat everything trump says with UTMOST(!!!) sincerity because slippery slope? Give me a fucking break, it's absurd to paint my frustration as mere "wanting to skip to conviction". I want to get to fucking criminal trial. With evidence. For fucking ONCE in trump's miserable awful goddamn existence. 

Twice himself said he'd be completely nonplussed with nothing happening to trump, this is all 3rd person academics to him I guess. There's no other person in the country that would be able to get away with a similar set of actions, but we need to be suspicious of prosecuting this man who has transparently tried to seize power? Fuck outta here

[Jack Straw 2953]

5 hours ago, Bookman said:

Being a liar and lacking integrity gives Trump a huge, huge advantage in our legal system.

and with Republican voters. 

[Gengs1 2583]

1 minute ago, Captainant said:

This exactly. Trump's arguments have not had any substance or actual grievance behind them. And any other citizen trying his shit would not get past thinking about it, and yet we must treat everything trump says with UTMOST(!!!) sincerity because slippery slope? Give me a fucking break, it's absurd to paint my frustration as mere "wanting to skip to conviction". I want to get to fucking criminal trial. With evidence. For fucking ONCE in trump's miserable awful goddamn existence. 

Twice himself said he'd be completely nonplussed with nothing happening to trump, this is all 3rd person academics to him I guess. There's no other person in the country that would be able to get away with a similar set of actions, but we need to be suspicious of prosecuting this man who has transparently tried to seize power? Fuck outta here

This, this rule will also be applied to the next popular Republican like Desantis who will do more afoul shit and get away with it because of trump 

[TexasEd 8057]

1 hour ago, Horn Dog said:

This reminds me of when I was a medical resident and a guy came into the ER complaining of rectal pain.  We do an xray and find a screwdriver, a soda can, a set of car keys and a small tool box in his rectum.  We rush him to surgery to remove these items and as we are prepping him I can't help but ask him how this happened.  He says "I fell down the stairs."   When I present him at ground rounds and state that "The patient states these items appeared in his rectum after a fall down the stairs" there was no discussion of "Wow, this unchartered medical circumstances!"   No one proposed a literature search to see if "flaccid rectal syndrome" was a thing.  No one called  the social worker to do a house visit see if this man's stairs when indeed expectantly shoving tools in his rectum.  We fucking laughed, and the then moved on.   Somehow I feel like if the room had been filled with lawyers the discussion would still be going on.

 

They would be figuring out how to monetize this "accident". Who to sue, homeowner insurance, screwdriver manufacturer for not labeling the risk of it going up your ass.

 

[Beau Vine 53837]

1 hour ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Somehow I thought this was going to end with "THE ARISTOCRATS"

 

I thought it was going to end with:

"And the other guy replied, 'Hell, if we can find my car, we can *DRIVE* out.'"

[Gil Bang 25831]

 

['stache 21726]

39 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

Exactly, the dems still playing what will the republicans think if we do this, almost as if asking for their permission. Go for the kill

 

Them waiting for election is dumb, if they lose the house/senate, the Rs will stonewall the process to get their way and it will be over 

 

They don't stick to decorum to win over republicans but to maintain their own voters. It was suggested somewhere that Biden fuck around with Desantis over hurricane aid the way trump did, that shit would piss off a lot of dems who clearly do not want to pull that type of shit the way the other side does. It works on their side, not ours.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20328]

37 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

 

 

Tiffany sitting there grinning from ear to ear.

[Biff Tannen 45420]

2 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

Inner city Level 1 trauma centers are wild places.   You would be amazed at the shit we saw.   Radiology had a "Wall of Shame"  dedicated to items found in rectums and the list I gave you was not even that unusual.   Amazingly, it was always "a fall" that was the cause.   Again, not one attending ever proposed a study of how falls were causing such a epidemic of rectal penetration, but perhaps we were just short sighted and should have taken it seriously. 

Million to one shot doc!  Million to one!

Edited September 30, 2022 by Biff Tannen
dammit, knew someone would beat me to it

[YGIFS 19447]

50 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

Okay, comments about people's appearance are petty and below us, I get it.  But can we just agree, regardless of political ideology, that there is literally a thing that we should call "Resting Trump Face."  I mean, the whole fucking family has it, even Barron and Melania.  I think Tiffany's the only exception.  Something about where the jaw meets the lips.  It's definitely something. 

3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Million to one shot doc!  Million to one!

I've been surprised for a couple hours now that you didn't come on here to post that.  Glad you're still high functioning.  High Five...on the flipside

[Biff Tannen 45420]

3 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

 

I've been surprised for a couple hours now that you didn't come on here to post that.  Glad you're still high functioning.  High Five...on the flipside

Actually had to do some work today.  Glad that's overwith.

[YGIFS 19447]

2 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Actually had to do some work today.  Glad that's overwith.

the Get yourself to campus then for a cold beverage.  It's mom's weekend at all the sorrority houses  And they're all walking around on campus tours in their "fun, flirty" mom attire with their hot-ass daughters.  It's a scene man, oh it's a scene.  I don't think I've been to the conference I am supposedly attending for more than 10 minutes today.  

Edited September 30, 2022 by YGIFS

[TwiceHorn 31017]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

Twice himself said he'd be completely nonplussed with nothing happening to trump,

Do you ever get tired of wholly mischaracterizing the things that I say?

It's got to be exhausting at some point.

Because it seems to be unclear to you:  I want Trump convicted of a serious felony.

I have been THE biggest advocate and defender of Merrick Garland and his DOJ to that end on this site.  Bar none.

At least half of my explications of the Special Master hinge on the fact that it very likely makes it easier to convict Trump in a criminal proceeding based on this search.

Edited September 30, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[NameAlreadyInUse 5098]

Aren't you mischaracterizing what he actually said?  You being characterized as nonplussed if nothing happens seems awful close to your quoted "I wouldn't be surprised terribly by (acquittal), or even a complete lack of indictment."  It's not exactly the same, but I don't think the gulf between "nonplussed" and "not surprised terribly" is so big that you could call it a mischaracterization.

ETA: I'm doing the semantics thing here, though I'm mostly on your side of this argument.  I don't think the things the judge is doing really has any affect on the outcome at this point because the important bits have already been released to the government.  And I think your analysis has been helpful, so despite the fact I'm giving you shit, I'd like to ask you to keep it up.

Edited September 30, 2022 by NameAlreadyInUse

[TwiceHorn 31017]

4 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

Aren't you mischaracterizing what he actually said?  You being characterized as nonplussed if nothing happens seems awful close to your quoted "I wouldn't be surprised terribly by (acquittal), or even a complete lack of indictment."  It's not exactly the same, but I don't think the gulf between "nonplussed" and "not surprised terribly" is so big that you could call it a mischaracterization.

ETA: I'm doing the semantics thing here, though I'm mostly on your side of this argument.  I don't think the things the judge is doing really has any affect on the outcome at this point because the important bits have already been released to the government.  And I think your analysis has been helpful, so despite the fact I'm giving you shit, I'd like to ask you to keep it up.

ETA:  Can I mischaracterize something by quoting it?  Not sure I'm that good at the verbal jousting.

There seem to be a shit ton of people on here that don't think he'll ever be indicted. I disagree.

But, I freely admit that I could be wrong and they could be right. I'll be pissed and disappointed, i.e. plussed, if he's not, but I'm not going to let it ruin my life.  We'll probably have enough other problems at that point that it will be way down the list.

Thanks.

Edited October 1, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13525]

4 hours ago, Foosters said:

No. The government shrugs and moves on because the maw must be fed.

Mamaw: There Is No Bottom

[Fudge Nuggets 19097]

5 hours ago, Foosters said:

Fwiw, I routinely delay cases with motions to challenge warrants, suppress evidence, and return property.

It's done all the time. 

When our judge gets it wrong, it's not in front of the 9th circuit by the end of the week, either.

It's common for felony cases to drag out over a year between arraignment and trial.

And we haven’t even got to the arraignment part yet.  Full speed ahead for sure.

[Gil Bang 25831]

 

[Gil Bang 25831]

 

[Neonmoon 38127]

Racism, Inciting violence, Pro-Russian, Talking in Third Person

really checks all the boxes 

[Gil Bang 25831]

 

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Racism, Inciting violence, Pro-Russian, Talking in Third Person

really checks all the boxes 

"George likes his chicken spicy"

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19015]

29 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

 

He is completely fucking insane.  

[HenryJames 65814]

Jesus.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19015]

Every accusation is a confession. 

 

 

[Gil Bang 25831]

39 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Jesus.

You said it Man.

[Cacti 191]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

4 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

And I think your analysis has been helpful, so despite the fact I'm giving you shit, I'd like to ask you to keep it up.

To the layperson like me, the analysis and explanations from @TwiceHorn have been informative, as well as appreciated. His voice of reason is about the only reason that this thread hasn’t been completely taken over by the “republic is dead, justice is dead, woe is us” crowd.

So yeah, keep it up.

 

[Cacti 191]

4 hours ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

And I think your analysis has been helpful, so despite the fact I'm giving you shit, I'd like to ask you to keep it up.

To the layperson like me, TwiceHorn’s analysis and explanations have been informative, as well as appreciated. His voice of reason is about the only reason that this thread hasn’t been completely taken over by the “republic is dead, justice is dead, woe is us” crowd.

So yeah, keep it up.

[atomheartbevo 89295]

50 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Jesus.

10 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

You said it Man.

It’s fitting and on brand - earlier today CPAC sent a since-deleted tweet with a Russian flag saying this:

Vladimir Putin announces the annexation of 4 Ukrainian-occupied territories. Biden and the Dems continue to send Ukraine billions of taxpayer dollars. Meanwhile, we are under attack at our southern border. When will Democrats put #AmericaFirst and end the gift-giving to Ukraine?

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2khxTZhNxKMJ:https://mobile.twitter.com/CPAC/status/1575848798793908224&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

[Biff Tannen 45420]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s fitting and on brand - earlier today CPAC sent a since-deleted tweet with a Russian flag saying this:

Vladimir Putin announces the annexation of 4 Ukrainian-occupied territories. Biden and the Dems continue to send Ukraine billions of taxpayer dollars. Meanwhile, we are under attack at our southern border. When will Democrats put #AmericaFirst and end the gift-giving to Ukraine?

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2khxTZhNxKMJ:https://mobile.twitter.com/CPAC/status/1575848798793908224&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

Torbush 

[tx 3 putt 75895]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

It’s fitting and on brand - earlier today CPAC sent a since-deleted tweet with a Russian flag saying this:

Vladimir Putin announces the annexation of 4 Ukrainian-occupied territories. Biden and the Dems continue to send Ukraine billions of taxpayer dollars. Meanwhile, we are under attack at our southern border. When will Democrats put #AmericaFirst and end the gift-giving to Ukraine?

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:2khxTZhNxKMJ:https://mobile.twitter.com/CPAC/status/1575848798793908224&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

 

russian agents handing out free pussy at GoP elites again ?

[Born to Run 6417]

 
russian agents handing out free pussy at GoP elites again ?

There is no free pussy; no one in the GOP is really elite either imo.

[atomheartbevo 89295]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-09-30/obama-on-trump-1-presidential-term-is-okay-but-8-years-would-be-a-problem?sref=KczNubwY
 

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Obama met with reporters three days before Trump’s inauguration on Jan. 17, 2017, for an off-the-record conversation. A White House transcript of the meeting -- which was never reported under the ground rules agreed upon by the journalists -- was included in a cache of documents released by the Justice Department in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. 

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“I think that four years is okay,” Obama said. “Take on some water, but we can kind of bail fast enough to be okay. Eight years would be a problem. I would be concerned about a sustained period in which some of these norms have broken down and started to corrode.”

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Obama said he didn’t believe Trump was particularly interested in starting any wars other than “bombing the heck out of terrorists,” an option Trump cited several times in his 2016 campaign and presidency.

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“I think his basic view -- his formative view of foreign policy is shaped by his interactions with Malaysian developers and Saudi princes, and I think his view is, ‘I’m going to go around the world making deals and maybe suing people,’” Obama said. “But it’s not, ‘let me launch big wars that tie me up.’ And that’s not what his base is looking from him anyway.”

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As for the GOP, Obama said he thought “the Republican Party now is ideologically completely incoherent.”

“You don’t know what they stand for,” he said.

 

[WhatTheBuck 28694]

14 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

Inner city Level 1 trauma centers are wild places.   You would be amazed at the shit we saw.   Radiology had a "Wall of Shame"  dedicated to items found in rectums and the list I gave you was not even that unusual.   Amazingly, it was always "a fall" that was the cause.   Again, not one attending ever proposed a study of how falls were causing such a epidemic of rectal penetration, but perhaps we were just short sighted and should have taken it seriously. 

Who was responsible for the care and feeding of the gerbils?

[WhatTheBuck 28694]

13 hours ago, Gengs1 said:

This, this rule will also be applied to the next popular Republican like Desantis who will do more afoul shit and get away with it because of trump 

That’s the thing. The bad intentions were always there, it’s just that Trump demonstrated that he could get away with far more than they’d ever imagined possible. Now they’re all going to try to emulate him.

[WhatTheBuck 28694]

8 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Racism, Inciting violence, Pro-Russian, Talking in Third Person

really checks all the boxes 

If he gets elected again then he will definitely have himself fitted for a general’s jacket adorned with fake medals. That’s the only box left unchecked. 

[Underdog 28371]

6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

russian agents handing out free pussy 

 

[Underdog 28371]

6 hours ago, Born to Run said:

6 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 
russian agents handing out free pussy at GoP elites again ?

There is no free pussy; 

 

[HenryJames 65814]

Pretty sure Coco Chow was a cereal I ate as a kid.

[TwiceHorn 31017]

9 hours ago, Cacti said:

To the layperson like me, TwiceHorn’s analysis and explanations have been informative, as well as appreciated. His voice of reason is about the only reason that this thread hasn’t been completely taken over by the “republic is dead, justice is dead, woe is us” crowd.

So yeah, keep it up.

Thanks.  I do wonder about the republic, don't get me wrong.  Going through this stuff and trying to analyze how the rule of law is still working while appearances may be to the contrary is what keeps me sane.  Sort of.

[TwiceHorn 31017]

18 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Pretty sure Coco Chow was a cereal I ate as a kid.

Is that a known nickname for Chau?  Or just something dotard invented?

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11667]

19 hours ago, Horn Dog said:

This reminds me of when I was a medical resident and a guy came into the ER complaining of rectal pain.  We do an xray and find a screwdriver, a soda can, a set of car keys and a small tool box in his rectum.  We rush him to surgery to remove these items and as we are prepping him I can't help but ask him how this happened.  He says "I fell down the stairs."   When I present him at ground rounds and state that "The patient states these items appeared in his rectum after a fall down the stairs" there was no discussion of "Wow, this unchartered medical circumstances!"   No one proposed a literature search to see if "flaccid rectal syndrome" was a thing.  No one called  the social worker to do a house visit see if this man's stairs when indeed expectantly shoving tools in his rectum.  We fucking laughed, and the then moved on.   Somehow I feel like if the room had been filled with lawyers the discussion would still be going on.

 

This is a HIPAA violation.  You’ll be hearing from my lawyer. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13386]

McConnell is probably the last serving Republican that hasn't fully bowed down to Trump. Obviously he supported many Trump policies, and McConnell saw Trump as a tool to get many things done, but McConnell did openly talk down to Trump publicly. There is zero chance Trump has forgiven McConnell for the Jan 6th comments.

There are signs that McConnell could retire if the GOP doesn't take over the Senate. At that point, there is no one keeping Trump in check politically except for some judges and the voting public.

[TwiceHorn 31017]

On 9/29/2022 at 10:08 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

Aren’t you an IP lawyer?  Why don’t you go back to your cubicle and we’ll call you when we find someone selling counterfeit surly hats.  

I’m not bitching this time about delays, I’m raising fucking hell over an obviously corrupt judge bending over backwards to undermine justice.  The same fucking judge you are around the way defending after every god damn ruling.

There are very few lawyers that are subject-matter experts in any of this stuff.  All of us are a bit afield here.  It's a civil case with the basic subject matter being criminal procedure and a non-criminal constitutional aspect in the executive privilege questions.

Also, bit of con law trivia.  In the early 70s, Oklahoma enacted different drinking ages for men and women, allowing women over 18 to buy 3.2 beer, but not men.

Some male students at OSU passed the hat and hired Tulsa patent lawyer Fred Gilbert to sue. 

Fred took it to the Supreme Court and won in a landmark case regarding sex discrimination. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_v._Boren

RBG was an "advisor" and amicus curiae on behalf of the ACLU and it was one of her earliest cases recognizing sex as a basis for discrimination under the 14th Amendment.

Edited October 1, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/30/trump-lawyers-kise-corcoran-bobb/

 

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After attorney Christopher Kise accepted $3 million to represent Donald Trump in the FBI’s investigation of government documents stored at Mar-a-Lago, the veteran litigator argued that Trump should adopt a new strategy.

Turn down the temperature with the Department of Justice, Kise — a former Florida solicitor general — counseled his famously combative client, people familiar with the deliberations said.

 

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Federal authorities had searched Trump’s Florida residence and clubbecause they badly wanted to retrieve the classified documents that remained there even after a federal subpoena, Kise argued, according to these people. With that material back in government hands, maybe prosecutors could be persuaded to resolve the whole issue quietly.

But quiet has never been Trump’s style — nor has harmony within his orbit.

 

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Instead, just a few weeks after Kise was brought aboard, he finds himself in a battle, trying to persuade Trump to go along with his legal strategy and fighting with some other advisers who have counseled a more aggressive posture. The dispute has raged for at least a week, Trump advisers say, with the former president listening as various lawyers make their best arguments.

 

Spoiler

A Wednesday night court filing from Trump’s team was combative, with defense lawyers questioning the Justice Department’s truthfulness and motives. Kise, whose name was listed alongside other lawyers’ in previous filings over the past four weeks, did not sign that one — an absence that underscored the division among the lawyers. He remains part of the team and will continue assisting Trump in dealing with some of his other legal problems, said the people familiar with the conversations, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal private talks. But on the Mar-a-Lago issue, he is likely to have a less public role.

It is a pattern that has repeated itself since the National Archives and Records Administration first alerted Trump’s team 16 months ago that it was missing documents from his term as president — and strongly urged their return. Well before the May 11 grand jury subpoena, and the Aug. 8 search of Mar-a-Lago by the FBI, multiple sets of lawyers and advisers suggested that Trump simply comply with government requests to return the papers and, in particular, to hand over any documents marked classified.

Trump seems, at least for now, to be heeding advice from those who have indulged his desire to fight.

The approach could leave the former president on a collision course with the Justice Department, as he relies on a legal trust that includes three attorneys facing their own potential legal risks. The first, Christina Bobb, has told other Trump allies that she is willing to be interviewed by the Justice Department about her role in responding to the subpoena, according to people familiar with the conversations. Another, M. Evan Corcoran, has been counseled by colleagues to hire a criminal defense lawyer because of his response to the subpoena, people familiar with those conversations said, but so far has insisted that is not necessary. The third, longtime Trump adviser Boris Epshteyn, saw his phone taken as part of the Justice Department’s probe of Trump’s fake elector scheme, and appeared before a Georgia grand jury Thursday.

Kise, Bobb, Corcoran and Epshteyn either declined to comment for this story or did not respond to requests for comment. Trump spokesman Taylor Budowich replied to a detailed list of questions about their roles with a statement that did not directly answer the questions. “While the media wants to focus on gossip, the reality is these witch hunts are dividing and destroying our nation,” Budowich said. “And President Trump isn’t going to back down.”

Trying to find an ‘off-ramp’

Kise has worked for multiple elected officials in Florida and argued before the U.S. Supreme Court in his role as solicitor general and in private practice. He has long been close to Susie Wiles, a Republican political operative from Florida who plays a key role in Trump’s orbit, and Brian Ballard, a high-powered Florida lobbyist who also is close to Trump.

After the search of Mar-a-Lago, in which FBI agents seized some 11,000 government documents, about 100 of them marked classified, Wiles and Ballard were among those who recommended Kise to help defend Trump in an investigation focused on the potential mishandling or destruction of government material.

Hired in late August with an upfront retainer, which people familiar with the matter said was paid by Trump’s Save America PAC, Kise told others he wanted to de-escalate the Trump team’s pugilistic approach to federal prosecutors, according to three people familiar with his comments.

Continuing to attack the Justice Department and the FBI, he argued, was likely to cause federal authorities to be more aggressive. Kise has suggested to other Trump advisers that the best solution would be to try to find an “off-ramp” with the Justice Department before a possible indictment or trial; he has said he thinks Trump can avoid criminal charges.

In private, those familiar with the conversations say, Kise has questioned the wisdom and experience of some of his colleagues, arguing that they do not have extensive experience with this type of litigation — and could face legal trouble themselves. He also argued privately that their counsel had deepened Trump’s problems and that they would have had fewer problems had he started representing Trump earlier in the summer. Whether those lawyers were, in fact, acting on specific instructions from their client, the former president, is not yet clear.

Kise’s influence on Trump’s team can be seen by comparing some of the court filings lodged by the team. A motion filed before he was hired, asking a judge to appoint a special master to review the seized documents, mixed political and legal arguments and characterized the court-approved FBI search as a “shockingly aggressive move.”

“President Donald J. Trump is the clear frontrunner in the 2024 Republican Presidential Primary and in the 2024 General Election, should he decide to run,” the filing read.

Later filings appeared more restrained, with fewer direct attacks on the Justice Department.

“As this Court correctly observed, a criminal investigation of this import — an investigation of a former President of the United States by the administration of his political rival — requires enhanced vigilance to ensure fairness, transparency, and maintenance of the public trust,” reads a court document signed by Kise.

A composite image of two court filings from former president Donald Trump’s legal team. A filing from Sept. 12, left, shows the names of four of Trump’s lawyers. A filing from Sept. 28 does not include the name of attorney Christopher Kise, who was hired late in the summer but has clashed with other members of the legal team over how aggressive to be toward the Department of Justice. (The Washington Post) 

 

Even as Kise has urged moderation, his rivals have pushed Trump to maintain an aggressive stance — in part because they believe combativeness plays well with supporters and could force welcome delays. Some of Trump’s other lawyers also have badmouthed Kise to the former president, saying he is not a team player.

Among Kise’s critics, according to three Trump advisers, is Epshteyn, a longtime Trump ally who worked on his inauguration and his 2020 campaign and has grown closer to Trump in the post-presidency, helping to push false claims that the 2020 election was stolen and attempt to overturn the results.

Epshteyn, a polarizing force in Trump’s orbit and a graduate of Georgetown Law School, has taken a leading role in hiring lawyers and developing the legal strategy for the Mar-a-Lago probe, even though he has little experience battling with the Justice Department or arguing in court. Some of Trump’s advisers and other lawyers think Epshteyn empowers some of the former president’s worst instincts and have argued for months for his role to be reduced. But Trump has appreciated his loyalty, advisers to the former president say.

One potential test of Trump’s legal strategy was eliminated Thursday, when Judge Aileen M. Cannon overruled the special master she appointed, who had ordered Trump’s attorneys to state in court whether they believe FBI agents lied about the documents. Trump has said on social media and in interviews that FBI agents planted items when they searched Mar-a-Lago, and he has declared that he had declassified the materials he was keeping there. His attorneys have not directly echoed those claims in court, where they have ethical obligations to be truthful.

Special master Raymond J. Dearie’s order had threatened to put them in a legal bind until it was overruled by Cannon. If the lawyers had confirmed that the government’s inventory list is accurate — meaning that the documents were classified and that no evidence was planted — that would have exposed a gap between Trump’s public claims and the attorneys’ own assertions. But if they made statements not backed up by evidence, the attorneys would have exposed themselves to potential professional sanction.

Peril posed by a subpoena response

Kise was added to the team in part because Bobb and Corcoran were considered legally vulnerable on a different front. Together, they told the Justice Department that Corcoran had led a diligent review of Mar-a-Lago documents to respond to the May subpoena and had identified and handed over all classified records at the former president’s club.

The two attorneys met investigators there in June, giving them a taped-up file folder containing 38 documents collected in response to the subpoena.

In court documents, prosecutors have called that response “incomplete” and said they have collected evidence that “obstructive conduct” was involved with the failure to fully comply with the subpoena.

According to people familiar with the probe, Bobb signed a document swearing that she had been told that “a diligent search” was conducted of boxes of records shipped from the White House to Florida when Trump left office. The signed document said the file folder being handed over contained “all documents that are responsive to the subpoena.” Corcoran, the people said, then told the visiting federal officials that he had been advised that all of the records that were shipped to the club from the White House had been placed in the storage room — nowhere else — and that all available boxes had been searched in response to the subpoena.

Court documents describe the June meeting with Trump advisers and show that investigators obtained video surveillance at the club and conducted additional interviews with Trump staffers. Investigators then sought a search warrant from a judge, saying they had evidence there was still sensitive material at Mar-a-Lago and were concerned about whether it was secure. When agents searched, they found additional documents with classification markings in the storage room and Trump’s office, mixed in with thousands of other government papers, news clippings and other items.

The discovery solidified the legal peril facing Trump and his team. The Justice Department is far more likely to file criminal charges alleging that Trump illegally hoarded classified documents if they have clear evidence that he took steps to conceal or hide them in response to a grand jury subpoena demanding their return, legal experts said.

Trump hired Corcoran in April with no vetting, after being introduced to him on a single conference call, The Washington Post has reported. Corcoran was at the time representing former Trump adviser Stephen K. Bannon, who was charged with contempt of Congress for failing to respond to a congressional subpoena in the House’s investigation of the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol.

Bannon, who was convicted at trial in July, was one of Corcoran’s earliest clients after he joined a small Baltimore law firm last year, ending a seven-year break from working as a lawyer. During that absence from the law, he worked for Fortress Investment Group, an investment management firm.

A former congressional staffer and the son of a former Illinois congressman, Corcoran spent eight years early in his career at the U.S. attorney’s office in D.C. Lawyers who worked with him there said he was assigned primarily to handle local violent crimes. In 2000, he joined the esteemed D.C. firm Wiley Rein, where his caseload included insurance litigation involving the collapse of the World Trade Center towers in the 9/11 attacks.

He left Wiley Rein after 15 years amid financial and personal difficulties related to his pending divorce from his first wife, according to two people familiar with his departure. A Wiley Rein spokesperson declined to comment on Corcoran’s departure or his work for the firm.

Willing to cooperate

Bobb’s history with Trump goes back much further. A former lawyer in the Marine Corps, she worked as an executive secretary in the Department of Homeland Security while Trump was in office, handling classified documents that were needed for the department’s secretary to make policy decisions, said people who knew her there.

Bobb has told others close to Trump that she believes the certification she signed was accurate. She has hired her own lawyer, Tampa-based former prosecutor John Lauro, and has made it known to Trump allies that she is willing to cooperate and be interviewed by the Justice Department, people familiar with the situation said.

Asked last week whether she was negotiating to sit for an interview with prosecutors, Bobb declined to comment, saying: “I’m sorry, I’m not allowed to talk about it.”

After leaving DHS, Bobb was hired as a host for the pro-Trump One America News, starting in June 2020. Following the 2020 election, she volunteered her services to Trump’s legal team challenging the election results. Documents released through public records requests show that she exchanged emails with the president of the Arizona Senate regarding documents the Republican leader had requested of Rudy Giuliani, who was spearheading Trump’s election challenges.

An email obtained by The Post shows that Bobb also served as the note taker during a Dec. 12 call that focused on planning detailed logistics for fake electors to gather in states won by Biden and declare Trump the winner in those states. The email has been turned over to federal investigators exploring the fake-elector scheme.

On Jan. 6, 2021, Bobb huddled with Giuliani at the campaign’s informal headquarters at the Willard hotel in Washington as a pro-Trump mob stormed the U.S. Capitol, The Post previously reported.

After Trump left the White House, Bobb resumed full-time work at OAN, becoming one of the network’s most vocal on-air cheerleaders for a Republican-led effort to recount more than 2 million presidential ballots in Arizona’s largest county. She also founded a nonprofit group to raise money to fund the effort, using her on-air job to encourage viewers to contribute. And she began communicating about the effort, The Post has reported.

In March of this year, Bobb told viewers that she was leaving the network and would be doing legal work for Trump. Campaign finance records show she has been paid more than $67,000 by Trump’s Save America PAC since then. Since May, she has returned to the world of conservative broadcasting, covering Trump rallies as an on-air reporter for the pro-Trump Right Side Broadcasting Network.

Despite giving numerous interviews in the days immediately after the FBI search in which she was identified as a lawyer for Trump, Bobb told a fellow RSBN anchor during a Sept. 23 broadcast that she was not acting as a Trump attorney while serving as custodian of the records in responding to the subpoena. The difference is important: The Justice Department team investigating the handling of the documents would face few hurdles to compel her to testify if she had not been serving as Trump’s lawyer at the time.

“I think people were a little bit confused,” Bobb told her fellow anchor. “I am on President Trump’s legal team. I do work for him on election issues. I was never on the legal team handling this case, just to be clear on that. Which is why I came in as the custodian of records — because I wasn’t on that team.”

 

 

 

[HenryJames 65814]

No way!

[Bullneck 18921]

I've been waiting for this guy's eventual "fatal mistake."  I'd have liked for it to be more catastrophic and more public, but I'll take what life gives me:

 

Oct 1, 2022, 05:23 AM EDT

 

 

 

 

LAS VEGAS (AP) — An ex-adviser to former President Donald Trump has taken a plea deal to resolve allegations that he made unwanted sexual advances to a GOP donor at a Las Vegas event.

Corey Lewandowski entered into a plea agreement earlier this month involving a charge of misdemeanor battery, according to online Clark County records.

While he does not admit to any wrongdoing, Lewandowski will undergo eight hours of impulse control counseling and 50 hours of community service.

Court documents dated Monday state that the charge will be dismissed if he satisfies these requirements and stays out of trouble for one year.

“A misdemeanor case was filed but we are pleased to say the matter has been resolved,” defense attorneys David Chesnoff and Richard Schonfeld said in a statement. “The court set conditions that Mr. Lewandowski will fulfill and the case will ultimately be dismissed.”

The plea agreement was first reported by Politico.

Trump donor Trashelle Odom publicly alleged Lewandowski repeatedly touched her without her permission, made lewd comments and stalked her throughout a September 2021 fundraising event. Odom is the wife of Idaho construction executive John Odom.

The allegations led to several Republican figures cutting ties with him.

 

 

[DDD Dad 14137]

15 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

 

But, I freely admit that I could be wrong and they could be right. I'll be pissed and disappointed, i.e. plussed, if he's not, but I'm not going to let it ruin my life.  

Thanks.

I think you mean nonplussed. 
 

kthanksbye

[Bozo_Casanova 26126]

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Is that a known nickname for Chau?  Or just something dotard invented?

It’s a Tia Carrere tribute band.

[YGIFS 19447]

And dey frell into a bawroom bwitz?