A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[Willfully Horn 8051]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

To properly obtain a search warrant, you must have probable cause that a crime has been committed and evidence of said crime will be found at the searched premises.  That goes a bit beyond mere suspicion.

Surely, you aren't advocating that DOJ go all Louisville PD/Houston PD and make up shit to get a search warrant. 

Durham brought two loser cases and lost.  But he had probable cause to indict the two cases or they never would have made it to trial.

This is what happens when you don't carefully nail shit down.

The one sure way to insure that Trump never suffers consequences is to bring some half-assed, politically motivated prosecution, where the charged crimes aren't supported by the law or the provable facts, i.e. pull a Durham.

DOJ prosecutors have said they slready have enough evidence to charge Trump with obstruction. 

[Biff Tannen 45749]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

To properly obtain a search warrant, you must have probable cause that a crime has been committed and evidence of said crime will be found at the searched premises.  That goes a bit beyond mere suspicion.

Surely, you aren't advocating that DOJ go all Louisville PD/Houston PD and make up shit to get a search warrant. 

Durham brought two loser cases and lost.  But he had probable cause to indict the two cases or they never would have made it to trial.

This is what happens when you don't carefully nail shit down.

The one sure way to insure that Trump never suffers consequences is to bring some half-assed, politically motivated prosecution, where the charged crimes aren't supported by the law or the provable facts, i.e. pull a Durham.

Did I not just recently see photo evidence of people moving boxes of docs to his other properties?  

[TwiceHorn 31544]

40 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

DOJ prosecutors have said they slready have enough evidence to charge Trump with obstruction. 

But they are going to charge him with everything related, and there are at least two other crimes under consideration.

And, enough to charge is not the same as enough to convict.  But I think they're damned close.

You can't do this piecemeal.  That's a Durham-type move.

Edited October 20, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Brisketexan 105427]

But they are going to charge him with everything related, and there are at least two other crimes under consideration.
And, enough to charge is not the same as enough to convict.  But I think they're damned close.
You can't do this piecemeal.  That's a Durham-type move.

We can’t do it at all. That’s a “functioning Republic”-type move. And we aren’t that.

[TwiceHorn 31544]

10 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We can’t do it at all. That’s a “functioning Republic”-type move. And we aren’t that.

If we were at a point where GarlandCo declined prosecution on this and 1/6, I might agree.  Or worse, did some namby-pamby shit like let the FBI Director announce the decision. But we're not there yet.

Just because it hasn't happened yet doesn't mean it won't.

Edited October 20, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13587]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I bet he's shitting his depends

I bet he's sleeping as soundly as he usually does.

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33900]

3 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

I bet he's sleeping as soundly as he usually does.

 

drugged out of his mind?

[RomaVicta 30031]

11 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

DOJ Prosecutors Have Evidence To Charge Trump With Obstruction In Mar-A-Lago Case—But Still Unclear If They Will, Report Says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2022/10/19/doj-prosecutors-have-evidence-to-charge-trump-with-obstruction-in-mar-a-lago-case-but-still-unclear-if-they-will-report-says/amp/

 

Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggghhhh!

[henrygandorf 29195]

he still won’t get it.

he wouldn’t have done shit for israel if he saw it playing out this way. 

also 27% seems high. 

['stache 21889]

14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

As I have predicted, rumors are swirling that Trump wants to "settle" the Mar A Lago dispute.  https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/19/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-second-search/index.html

He's feeling the heat, losing his attempts to be dilatory, so, true to plan tendency (there's never a plan with this asshole) he's going to try to "settle."  Except crimes don't work that way, Donald.

Of course it works that way. Black guy with pot “settles” for 25 years to avoid life, white ex president who incited an insurrection and stole nuclear secrets “settles” for a fine and community service shaking hands at mar-a-lago. Remember that old Chapelle's Show sketch? 

Edited October 20, 2022 by 'stache

[lemonlime 5503]

8 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

he still won’t get it.

he wouldn’t have done shit for israel if he saw it playing out this way. 

also 27% seems high. 

And the fact that TFG doesn't recognize that American Jews for the most part care far more about issues that actually affect their day to day lives and their children's futures than whether the U.S. embassy to Israel is located in Tel Aviv or 30 miles away in Jerusalem says everything about his complete lack of understanding of anyone apart from himself.  Aside from also being antisemitic itself, assuming that everyone who's Jewish only cares about Israel to the exclusion of everything else.

[tx 3 putt 77520]

When is he giving his dna sample ?

I can’t wait for his story to change : he had consensual sex in that changing room !

she came onto me !

Edited October 20, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[gernblansten 3197]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

When is he giving his dna sample ?

I can’t wait for his story to change : he had consensual sex in that changing room !

she came onto me !

"DNA? Never met it. Never even heard of it."

[Native Horn 3516]

20 hours ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

Yeah, I mean he hugged a flag. It's obvious that he loves America.

Hugged it?  He damn near Freedom Kissed it!

[YGIFS 19452]

1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

"DNA? Never met it. Never even heard of it."

"What about the double helix, Mr. Trump?"
 

"Who?  Never had one, I don't even drink.  Who's got some pills?"  

[WhatTheBuck 28805]

13 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

he still won’t get it.

he wouldn’t have done shit for israel if he saw it playing out this way. 

also 27% seems high. 

I don’t know. I think he did it more to please his evangelical Christian base than American Jews. Plus he had Jared in his ear who was always willing to do uncle Bibi’s bidding, a guy who like Trump is also a far-right asshole who hated Barack Obama. Plus Netanyahu knows how to manipulate Trump too, just drop a few compliments about his strength and leadership and you can get whatever you want.

[TwiceHorn 31544]

13 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t know. I think he did it more to please his evangelical Christian base than American Jews. Plus he had Jared in his ear who was always willing to do uncle Bibi’s bidding, a guy who like Trump is also a far-right asshole who hated Barack Obama. Plus Netanyahu knows how to manipulate Trump too, just drop a few compliments about his strength and leadership and you can get whatever you want.

People like Trump and evangelicals still dislike Jews, but the whole fundamentalist eschatology requires the continued existence of Israel, so that's what that's all about.  Plus, dirty Jews in the Middle East are still better than dirty Ay-rabs.

[WhatTheBuck 28805]

1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

People like Trump and evangelicals still dislike Jews, but the whole fundamentalist eschatology requires the continued existence of Israel, so that's what that's all about.  Plus, dirty Jews in the Middle East are still better than dirty Ay-rabs.

Yep. They need the Jews to rebuild the Temple so Jesus can return and send them all to Hell. 

[Pato del Muerto 52615]

1 hour ago, gernblansten said:

"DNA? Never met it. Never even heard of it."

I’m not 100% convinced that if left unedited, he wouldn’t type the term D&A. 

[TexEx15 17569]

 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

4 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

Don't that Saudis have some yellow cake we can use as an excuse to invade?

If only Colin Powell was still alive to speak at the UN.

[Js1 85600]

2 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Don't that Saudis have some yellow cake we can use as an excuse to invade?

If only Colin Powell was still alive to speak at the UN.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13587]

11 minutes ago, TexEx15 said:

 

This applies to domestic, fascist-friendly, price-gouging, profit-surging corporations and their decisions as well.

[YGIFS 19452]

Anybody else curious why two such high-powered Saudi elites are holding a sensitive meeting at the corner booth of Fernando's Hideaway?  

[Sawbonz 27595]

Can you be compelled to give DNA in a civil case?

[WhatTheBuck 28805]

2 hours ago, Grade of D as in David said:

Don't that Saudis have some yellow cake we can use as an excuse to invade?

If only Colin Powell was still alive to speak at the UN.

<sigh>

First, Powell never mentioned yellowcake in his UN speech.

Second, George Tenet is still around. He’s the one who said the intelligence was a “slam dunk.” There’s a reason Powell made Tenet sit behind him at the UN.

Third, the speech was produced in Dick Cheney’s office and provided to Powell just four days before his scheduled address. His staff at State told him that a lot of the intelligence was questionable. He was in a tough spot. Hindsight is 20/20 and he has since said he should’ve resigned. But the CIA Director said it was a slam dunk and the President wanted him to go make the case for war. In the end he was a good soldier and followed orders. He got used because he’s a credible and respected source and it turned out to be the low point of his career. But Bush, Cheney, Tenet, and others deserve a lot more blame than he does.

I wish the tired old trope of blaming Powell for the UN speech would die. Like I said, he got used. They weren’t his lies. He was just made to read them. And he later went on to endorse both Obama and Clinton because he’d seen firsthand what had become of the Republican Party.

Finally, nothing in Powell’s speech was an excuse to invade. We were always going to invade. We would’ve invaded if Powell hadn’t given his speech. That was just used as cover. We would’ve invaded even if 9/11 had never happened. That was just an excuse. The invasion of Iraq was discussed at Dubya’s first cabinet meeting. It was inevitable.

[chainsaw 9878]

1 minute ago, WhatTheBuck said:

<sigh>

First, Powell never mentioned yellowcake in his UN speech.

Second, George Tenet is still around. He’s the one who said the intelligence was a “slam dunk.” There’s a reason Powell made Tenet sit behind him at the UN.

Third, the speech was produced in Dick Cheney’s office and provided to Powell just four days before his scheduled address. His staff at State told him that a lot of the intelligence was questionable. He was in a tough spot. Hindsight is 20/20 and he has since said he should’ve resigned. But the CIA Director said it was a slam dunk and the President wanted him to go make the case for war. In the end he was a good soldier and followed orders. He got used because he’s a credible and respected source and it turned out to be the low point of his career. But Bush, Cheney, Tenet, and others deserve a lot more blame than he does.

I wish the tired old trope of blaming Powell for the UN speech would die. Like I said, he got used. They weren’t his lies. He was just made to read them. And he later went on to endorse both Obama and Clinton because he’d seen firsthand what had become of the Republican Party.

Finally, nothing in Powell’s speech was an excuse to invade. We were always going to invade. We would’ve invaded if Powell hadn’t given his speech. That was just used as cover. We would’ve invaded even if 9/11 had never happened. That was just an excuse. The invasion of Iraq was discussed at Dubya’s first cabinet meeting. It was inevitable.

You're saying they set up the black guy? Does George Tenet have Bellmont on his resume? Circa 2013-2014 maybe?

[Bama Chick 28596]

Can you be compelled to give DNA in a civil case?

[Sawbonz 27595]

2 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Not sure how to classify the Starr dog and pony show but I don’t think it was a civil case

[YGIFS 19452]

18 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you be compelled to give DNA in a civil case?

It’s the power of Trump that compels you!!!

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

7 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

<sigh>

First, Powell never mentioned yellowcake in his UN speech.

Second, George Tenet is still around. He’s the one who said the intelligence was a “slam dunk.” There’s a reason Powell made Tenet sit behind him at the UN.

Third, the speech was produced in Dick Cheney’s office and provided to Powell just four days before his scheduled address. His staff at State told him that a lot of the intelligence was questionable. He was in a tough spot. Hindsight is 20/20 and he has since said he should’ve resigned. But the CIA Director said it was a slam dunk and the President wanted him to go make the case for war. In the end he was a good soldier and followed orders. He got used because he’s a credible and respected source and it turned out to be the low point of his career. But Bush, Cheney, Tenet, and others deserve a lot more blame than he does.

I wish the tired old trope of blaming Powell for the UN speech would die. Like I said, he got used. They weren’t his lies. He was just made to read them. And he later went on to endorse both Obama and Clinton because he’d seen firsthand what had become of the Republican Party.

Finally, nothing in Powell’s speech was an excuse to invade. We were always going to invade. We would’ve invaded if Powell hadn’t given his speech. That was just used as cover. We would’ve invaded even if 9/11 had never happened. That was just an excuse. The invasion of Iraq was discussed at Dubya’s first cabinet meeting. It was inevitable.

I agree with you that Tenet, Cheney, etc all were beating the drums of war before 911 and that just ramped everything up. I disagree that Powell was a naive good soldier though. You don't get to where he did by being that politically naive. He knew the reason they wanted him was for the credibility factor. If his staff said the intelligence was suspect, he knew what he was doing.

[WhatTheBuck 28805]

15 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

You're saying they set up the black guy?

It’s hard not to wonder if that wasn’t part of it. And I know that the core insiders in the Bush/Cheney administration were a bunch of white guys. Powell and his deputy Dick Armitage used to complain that State was often kept out of the loop. But it’s also true that Powell had a distinguished reputation and made for a convincing messenger. Imagine Bush up there reading that speech. Powell had a lot more gravitas. And, I suppose, to a certain extent he was expendable. 

[HenryJames 66188]

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19227]

On 10/18/2022 at 9:32 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Having been a Republican years ago, it will never stop being embarrassing.

I've done plenty of stupid shit that will embarrass me to my last day, but thankfully being a Republican was never one of them.

[DDD Dad 14352]

3 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Can you be compelled to give DNA in a civil case?

Possibly. Texas R Civ P provides a mechanism to compel a physical examination based on relevance. Not sure whether NY has a similar provision but I imagine it does. 
 

Whether a DNA test to ID Trump as possible assailant falls within the rule is an interesting question. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by DDD Dad

[Tuco 5084]

Well, I assume people are compelled to provide dna in paternity suits all the time. Maybe there isn’t a contempt threat with it, but your refusal would be strong evidence of a match.

[WhatTheBuck 28805]

1 hour ago, Grade of D as in David said:

I agree with you that Tenet, Cheney, etc all were beating the drums of war before 911 and that just ramped everything up. I disagree that Powell was a naive good soldier though. You don't get to where he did by being that politically naive. He knew the reason they wanted him was for the credibility factor. If his staff said the intelligence was suspect, he knew what he was doing.

He wasn’t naive but he wasn’t malevolent either. He’s said his job was to give the President his best advice behind close doors and then to go out and enact the President’s policy. I don’t think he should be judged by his worst day. The problem started at the top.

Of course, he also used a private email server and advised Hillary about using one of her own. But no one cared when he did it.

[RomaVicta 30031]

16 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I think he interrupted an appearance by Hillary to say this. It's his darkest moment as president.

Edit to add:

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Can someone be compelled to give DNA evidence?

I don't know.

Is it compulsion if you play Ivanka's best whispery voice over a speaker and show a picture of her where her nipples are evident beneath her clothing?

Then you just subpoena Trump's pants.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by RomaVicta

[HenryJames 66188]

 

[RomaVicta 30031]

So there they were in Maralago after the long drive in the U-Haul from Washington DC. Eric and Don Jr. were dutifully carrying in the boxes from the White House. Ivanka and Jared were helping Melania open the boxes and put things away.

"Very hectic moving out," says Melania. "Very disorganization."

Eric takes a red outlined envelope and starts chewing on it.

"Eric, that's not a hot dog!" barks Ivanka. Eric sadly slinks away looking for a hot dog.

"What is top secret?" asks Melania as she wipes the saliva off the envelope. 

Jared twitches and scratches an itch beneath the armor plate he wears over his suit. "Mom-"

"Never call me that!" shouts Melania, her angry eyes barely visible through their slits.

"Sorry. These top secret envelopes are old. We were just re-using them to reduce waste. I'll just gather them up and put them in my briefcase. They have very innocent papers that I want to show the Saudis."

"Thank you,, Jared. You are so helpful."

Edited October 21, 2022 by RomaVicta

[Neonmoon 38130]

LOL. He was totally going to sell those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

[Chad Fuck 17806]

2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

To the highest bidder.  Jared and his Saudi buds come to mind.

[Native Horn 3516]

10 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell sold those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

Fixed for accuracy (maybe, who knows).

[High Plains Drifter 11052]

21 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

 

He probably already did. Remember the loan?

 

Also, is there any doubt the recent OPEC shenanigans are designed to drive up gas prices and help doTARd get re-elected?

 

[Francisco 2.0 32431]

Cue Trump stating in the coming hours that "there were no Chinese or Iranian secrets; I only had secrets on these other countries".

 

 

[speed817 19481]

47 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

So there they were in Maralago after the long drive in the U-Haul from Washington DC. Eric and Don Jr. were dutifully carrying in the boxes from the White House. Ivanka and Jared were helping Melania open the boxes and put things away.

"Very hectic moving out," says Melania. "Very disorganization."

Eric takes a red outlined envelope and starts chewing on it.

"Eric, that's not a hot dog!" barks Ivanka. Eric sadly slinks away looking for a hot dog.

"What is top secret?" asks Melania as she wipes the saliva off the envelope. 

Jared twitches and scratches an itch beneath the armor plate he wears over his suit. "Mom-"

"Never call me that!" shouts Melania, her angry eyes barely visible through their slits.

"Sorry. These top secret envelopes are old. We were just re-using them to reduce waste. I'll just gather them up and put them in my briefcase. They have very innocent papers that I want to show the Saudis."

"Thank you,, Jared. You are so helpful."

Worst Penthouse Forum letter ever...

[Chad Fuck 17806]

19 minutes ago, speed817 said:

Worst Penthouse Forum letter ever...

 

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

I think he interrupted an appearance by Hillary to say this. It's his darkest moment as president.

Edit to add:

I don't know.

Is it compulsion if you play Ivanka's best whispery voice over a speaker and show a picture of her where her nipples are evident beneath her clothing?

Then you just subpoena Trump's pants.

 

 

^This one wasn't bad though.  Shitty ending, however.

[C-Man 27281]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

LOL. He was totally going to sell those Iran nuclear secrets to Israel. 

 

To curry favor with Israel to be helpful to him running for POTUS in 2024?

[NWBuck 8587]

1 hour ago, RomaVicta said:

Then you just subpoena Trump's pants.

I think the nation would be better off if Trump's subpoenas remained in his pants.

[safe sex 11791]

Remember when a young kid (his name was Kalief Browder, rest in power) was thrown into Riker's on allegations he stole a backpack, held without trial for three years, and then committed suicide? 

Dotard's probably strolling the links at MAL right now, a free man despite mountains of highly incriminating evidence of multiple crimes and coverups.

Justice delayed is justice denied.