A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[Red Five 40881]

He sure nailed that "shoot someone on 5th Ave" thing. That's completely real. 

"Do I think he should have shot that person? No, I don't agree with everything he does. But....."

[tokamak 6433]

This is the one that kills me.

• 2024: *Dems eke out a 1.5-point victory over a dude that literally said he wants to throw out the Constitution. Several more years of legal and electoral fuckery ensue.*
• NY Times/CNN/coastal liberal types: "STUNNING REBUKE OF TRUMPISM!!"

 

So frustrating. Better than the alternative, I guess.

[Red Five 40881]

If it's only 1.5 points then the dems lose the electoral college. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19427]

43 minutes ago, Red Five said:

FTC: "Hey family, I see your Dotard shrine is still up. I guess it doesn't bother you that he hangs out with nazis and wants to shred the Constitution."

FTC's family: "Oh well we don't agree with EVERYTHING he says...."

Sometimes the lord sends his message in the form of a salty sailor! 

[Macanudo 13007]

17 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

Sometimes the lord sends his message in the form of a salty sailor! 

The Salty Sailor sounds like something that would have been a happy hour special at Oilcan Harry's.

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

FTC: "Hey family, I see your Dotard shrine is still up. I guess it doesn't bother you that he hangs out with nazis and wants to shred the Constitution."

FTC's family: "Oh well we don't agree with EVERYTHING he says...."

GOP guy on Face the Nation yesterday: “Trump says a lot of things.”

[Goredho 17413]

I think it's probably more important to look into what various GOP members do vs say at this point.  They can't be completely honest in their reactions to what dumbfuck orange wannabe dicktater says without politically damaging themselves and the party in general.  So I wouldn't expect to see anything more publicly critical of Trump than what Mitch McConnel has said.

But, I think it will be telling to see who in the GOP is still actively trying to protect and bolster trump.  Not in tweets, but in their floor votes, rulings, etc...  Take the big twitter Hunter Biden reveal.  You see most in the GOP using it as a means to damage Biden, not promote Trump. Who else in the GOP other than him is saying lets throw out the constitution and have a do-over?  I have to believe there are more than a few on the right that are open to assisting in Trump's downfall as long as they can do it mostly in the background and without indicting themselves or their party.

A lot of their constituents want it.  Of the people I know who still identify as conservative, almost all share my desire to see Trump choke on a cheeseburger.  They don't want to cede US politics to the dems, but they damn sure want Trump to go the fuck away forever and for someone new (DeSantis) to emerge.

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

23 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Who else in the GOP other than him is saying lets throw out the constitution and have a do-over? 

Weren’t there over 120+ candidates across the country just these midterms who were election deniers? Kari Lake and certain secretaries of state come to mind. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by Pig Bellmont

[Macanudo 13007]

14 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Weren’t there over 120+ candidates across the country just these midterms who were election deniers? Kari Lake and certain secretaries of state come to mind. 

Plus any of the members of Congress that voted against vertifying the election on January 6th 

[Old Freak Nasty 821]

The cabinet could have 25th amendment'd the motherfucker and rid themselves of the headache forever.  The elements of the GQP that may want to backchannel Trump's demise are the "fringe" of the party.  They hold no real ability to do anything to affect his stranglehold on the party.

It's up to the voters to continually deny him and his minions the offices they run for since the government apparatus is built to conspire for the GQP and Trump has rendered any internal revolution impotent.

He will be powerful culturally and politically until he dies which is hopefully soon.  How much McDonald's beef can one consume before you succumb to it?

Edited December 5, 2022 by Old Freak Nasty

[C-Man 27252]

21 minutes ago, Old Freak Nasty said:

The cabinet could have 25th amendment'd the motherfucker and rid themselves of the headache forever.  The elements of the GQP that may want to backchannel Trump's demise are the "fringe" of the party.  They hold no real ability to do anything to affect his stranglehold on the party.

It's up to the voters to continually deny him and his minions the offices they run for since the government apparatus is built to conspire for the GQP and Trump has rendered any internal revolution impotent.

He will be powerful culturally and politically until he dies which is hopefully soon.  How much McDonald's beef can one consume before you succumb to it?

Hell, McConnell could've ridden this country of DOTARD forever back in Feb 2021 if he'd wanted to.

[tx 3 putt 77301]

Who can drop article 14 charges on him ?

when can it happen ?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33885]

 

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Weren’t there over 120+ candidates across the country just these midterms who were election deniers? Kari Lake and certain secretaries of state come to mind. 

308 ran. 120 is probably closer to the number that won. 

[Old Freak Nasty 821]

10 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

Mormons are the only faction of the GQP coalition who are openly out on Trumpism and consistently vote so.  It's the only place in the country that Romney can voice that much opposition to Trump, vote for impeachment, etc without risking being primaried.

I imagine they do like Cheney but polls there have no bearing on GQP polls in any of the other 49 states.

[DDD Dad 14346]

4 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Trump merchandise = Beanie Babies for the 2020's.

And the Venn diagram of Beanie Babies collectors and Trump fans is probably mostly overlapping.

HEY!

My daughter collected those.  There's got to be an exception for elementary school girls.

[Beau Vine 54368]

19 hours ago, pacman said:

 

Trump Owed Hidden Debt While In Office (forbes.com)

This Jon Cooper dude is the dumbest motherfucker on twitter.  It's not a loan *TO* a foreign creditor, it's *FROM* a foreign creditor.  Also, Daewoo has "ties to North Korea" about the same way that Nike does.

[Brisketexan 105244]

3 hours ago, Goredho said:

Of the people I know who still identify as conservative, almost all share my desire to see Trump choke on a cheeseburger.  They don't want to cede US politics to the dems, but they damn sure want Trump to go the fuck away forever and for someone new (DeSantis) to emerge.

Counterpoint: fuck their evil fucking asses.  The ONLY problem they have with Trump is that he says certain things out loud.  Their problem is with his MANNERS, not what he actually supports and want to do.  They are all in on hate, fascism, racism, xenophobia, oppression of women, hatred of gays and trans people, etc. etc. ad infinitum.  They just prefer that someone use better language when they talk about these goals.

RUDE: "exterminate the jews!"

JUST FINE: "find a final solution to the jewish problem."

Fuck 'em.  Fuck 'em all.  Fuck 'em all, all the way to hell, and then keep fucking 'em all another layer lower, so even Dante says "whoa, I never even THOUGHT of that level of hell."

[Francisco 2.0 32413]

30 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

HEY!

My daughter collected those.  There's got to be an exception for elementary school girls.

 

"Mostly" overlapping.  

Not "fully".

 

[Foosters 17878]

7 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

This Jon Cooper dude is the dumbest motherfucker on twitter.  It's not a loan *TO* a foreign creditor, it's *FROM* a foreign creditor.  Also, Daewoo has "ties to North Korea" about the same way that Nike does.

Thank you. There are a handful of these accounts (like Cooper) that are just clickbait bullshit.

Quick tip: If you are following a non-journalist on twitter and they like to begin tweets with:

THIS IS HUGE!:

BREAKING!!:

HOLY HELL!!

THIS JUST IN!!

Then you should understand that what you're reading is likely bullshit

[Pato del Muerto 52558]

3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Thank you. There are a handful of these accounts (like Cooper) that are just clickbait bullshit.

Quick tip: If you are following a non-journalist on twitter and they like to begin tweets with:

THIS IS HUGE!:

BREAKING!!:

HOLY HELL!!

THIS JUST IN!!

Then you should understand that what you're reading is likely bullshit

TOP 4 SIGNS THE TWEET YOU ARE READING IS BULLSHIT!!!

[tx 3 putt 77301]

[Goredho 17413]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Counterpoint: fuck their evil fucking asses.  The ONLY problem they have with Trump is that he says certain things out loud.  Their problem is with his MANNERS, not what he actually supports and want to do.  They are all in on hate, fascism, racism, xenophobia, oppression of women, hatred of gays and trans people, etc. etc. ad infinitum.  They just prefer that someone use better language when they talk about these goals.

RUDE: "exterminate the jews!"

JUST FINE: "find a final solution to the jewish problem."

Fuck 'em.  Fuck 'em all.  Fuck 'em all, all the way to hell, and then keep fucking 'em all another layer lower, so even Dante says "whoa, I never even THOUGHT of that level of hell."

I understand the outrage, but for my kid’s sake, I’m most interested in seeing how we can most quickly and pragmatically neutralize the threat that Trump and his movement within the GOP represent.  The least efficient and most violent path is through a war to the death with everyone who identified as and voted Republican in 2016 and beyond (the “fuckemall” approach).

Trump and his movement have enemies in the Republican party.  They have enemies among conservative voters who want to see a return from the brink.  If our goal is to make our nation a better one for the next generation as quickly and painlessly as possible, those Republicans and conservative voters should be empowered, promoted and embraced, not bludgeoned with outrage.  We should do that for no other reason than it increases the barriers that Trump and his movement must overcome to cement their ideology as the law of the land.

I don’t give a fuck if a Republican voted to not impeach Trump two years ago.  If they are willing to help bury his ass today, they are an ally.  I don’t care if a conservative voter pulled the lever for Trump in 2020.  If they are willing to primary his ass in favor of another conservative who does not as successfully operate his hate engine, that voter is an ally.

[Ghost of LL 15539]

47 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Counterpoint: fuck their evil fucking asses.  The ONLY problem they have with Trump is that he says certain things out loud.  Their problem is with his MANNERS, not what he actually supports and want to do.  They are all in on hate, fascism, racism, xenophobia, oppression of women, hatred of gays and trans people, etc. etc. ad infinitum.  They just prefer that someone use better language when they talk about these goals.

RUDE: "exterminate the jews!"

JUST FINE: "find a final solution to the jewish problem."

Fuck 'em.  Fuck 'em all.  Fuck 'em all, all the way to hell, and then keep fucking 'em all another layer lower, so even Dante says "whoa, I never even THOUGHT of that level of hell."

But here's the thing: there are a lot of people who love that he says "Exterminate the Jews" out loud.  And they're not going to vote for someone who doesn't say it out loud.

That was the entire reason he won Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan in 2016.  There are a ton of people in those states (and across the country, really, but those states were the ones that were sufficiently close to be decisive) who fucking hate The Jews, hate The Blacks, hate The Gays, hate . . . pretty much any group you could reasonably put the definite article in front of. 

And they never felt like they could participate in American politics.  For them, there are just two parties that are really one (e.g., the "Business Party" or the #uniparty), because neither party is willing to say out loud the things they believe.  So they never voted.  I mean, what's the point, really?  If you fucking hate immigrants, why would you vote for George W. Bush, who talks about immigration reform and creating a path to citizenship?

Trump spoke directly to those people.  He called them "very fine people," and they loved him for it.  They had never voted before in their lives; they voted for him.

But if Trump is not the nominee, and it's someone like DeSantis--i.e., someone who has the sense not to call Nazis "very fine people," then we just go back to the status quo ante.  Why the fuck are these people going to vote for either party, when neither says what they think?  A lot of them will just fade back into the woodwork.  They're still there, shooting up electrical substations in rural North Carolina, mind you.  But you're not going to see them at the ballot box voting for someone like Ron fucking DeSantis.

[TeeDubya 3362]

@Francisco 2.0

[Brisketexan 105244]

41 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I understand the outrage, but for my kid’s sake, I’m most interested in seeing how we can most quickly and pragmatically neutralize the threat that Trump and his movement within the GOP represent.  The least efficient and most violent path is through a war to the death with everyone who identified as and voted Republican in 2016 and beyond (the “fuckemall” approach).

Trump and his movement have enemies in the Republican party.  They have enemies among conservative voters who want to see a return from the brink.  If our goal is to make our nation a better one for the next generation as quickly and painlessly as possible, those Republicans and conservative voters should be empowered, promoted and embraced, not bludgeoned with outrage.  We should do that for no other reason than it increases the barriers that Trump and his movement must overcome to cement their ideology as the law of the land.

I don’t give a fuck if a Republican voted to not impeach Trump two years ago.  If they are willing to help bury his ass today, they are an ally.  I don’t care if a conservative voter pulled the lever for Trump in 2020.  If they are willing to primary his ass in favor of another conservative who does not as successfully operate his hate engine, that voter is an ally.

Counter-counterpoint: still, fuck 'em all.

They're just as bad as he is.  They're just more polite about it.  And they will return to supporting people as bad as he is in a split second, with ZERO hesitation.

You don't appease evil.  You defeat it.  And yeah, that's gonna get ugly.  They set the rules of the game and insisted that we play it.  We need to quit being fucking pussies, and we need to play to WIN.  We need real domestic terrorism laws, so we can lock these violent christofascists up by the truckload for 50 years.  We need violent police raids on their homes, giving them every fucking chance to "defend themselves" and get perforated repeatedly in response.  We need to punch fucking nazis in the face.  We need to harass them when they are in public.  We need to call them fucking names in restaurants, at football games, everywhere.  We need to fucking drive them into submission.

De-nazification works that way.  It's the only way it works.

[safe sex 11744]

I, for one, am tired of our national obsession with making sure we are one big happy national family, because it's always been a lie and causes problems way down the road. See: Reconstruction & Jim Crow, Civil Rights aftermath, Watergate & Nixon's pardon, etc. Root out the rot and burn it this time.

[Brisketexan 105244]

1 minute ago, safe sex said:

See: Reconstruction & Jim Crow, Civil Rights aftermath, Watergate & Nixon's pardon, etc. Root out the rot and burn it this time.

THESE.  ALL OF THESE THINGS.

We keep dealing with this shit because we never had our full reckoning.  Time to fucking have it.  And bonus: THEY WANT IT.  So, let's give 'em what they want.  Let's give it to them good and hard.

All I'm suggesting is that we treat all of Y'all Qaeda and their sympathizers and supporters EXACTLY like we treat Al Qaeda and its sympathizers and supporters.

[Pato del Muerto 52558]

37 minutes ago, TeeDubya said:

@Francisco 2.0

Go ahead and squish those circles closer together. Closer. Closer still. Little closer. 

[Goredho 17413]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Counter-counterpoint: still, fuck 'em all.

They're just as bad as he is.  They're just more polite about it.  And they will return to supporting people as bad as he is in a split second, with ZERO hesitation.

You don't appease evil.  You defeat it.  And yeah, that's gonna get ugly.  They set the rules of the game and insisted that we play it.  We need to quit being fucking pussies, and we need to play to WIN.  We need real domestic terrorism laws, so we can lock these violent christofascists up by the truckload for 50 years.  We need violent police raids on their homes, giving them every fucking chance to "defend themselves" and get perforated repeatedly in response.  We need to punch fucking nazis in the face.  We need to harass them when they are in public.  We need to call them fucking names in restaurants, at football games, everywhere.  We need to fucking drive them into submission.

De-nazification works that way.  It's the only way it works.

We'll have to agree to disagree that everyone in the GOP or who voted for them the past couple cycles is irredeemable and must be made to pay for their sins.  I know yours is probably the more popular opinion here, but I firmly believe it is the path to becoming exactly what they say you are and further perpetuating the problem.  There are plenty of historical examples where forced atonement has had the opposite to desired effect, and I hope there are people with more power than you or I that are seeking to leverage those who have been wrong in the past, but who are willing to work on the right side of history now.   I know for a fact there are many conservative voters who desperately want another conservative option than what they had and voted for in 2016 and 2020.

[Brisketexan 105244]

7 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I know for a fact there are many conservative voters who desperately want another conservative option than what they had and voted for in 2016 and 2020.

What Trumpism revealed is that there IS no actual "conservative" movement or thought in this country.  None.  ZERO.  It's just base grievance and oppression of "the other," either for vengeance/cruelty or personal gain.  It is an entirely zero-sum "philosophy," meaning that for them to win in any respect means that everyone else loses.  American "conservative" thought is diametrically opposed to the very concept of "we're all in this together."  And that has been laid bare and made obvious and undeniable in the past 14 years (Obama's election utterly broke all "conservative" brains).  The only reason they want another "conservative" option is because they want an option they're more certain they can win with.  They are 100% fine if that "option" believes in and says exactly what Trump does, and works in favor of everything Trump did -- including disenfranchisement of their fellow Americans, fascism, and violent overthrow of the government if expedient to hold onto power indefinitely.

Don't trust anything a "conservative" tells you.  If they are not telling you that "all we want is to win, and for all who oppose us to suffer for our gain," they are lying.

[Goredho 17413]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Don't trust anything a "conservative" tells you.  If they are not telling you that "all we want is to win, and for all who oppose us to suffer for our gain," they are lying.

So you are telling me I should trust a random person on the internet (you) when you tell me that people I know closely in reality (not you) are awful, horrible, irredeemable and have no place in American society?  People who I know for a fact are generally good, kind people who are guilty only of falling for an unprecedented political scam that has fooled millions?  Sorry, that does not align with the reality I have directly observed with my own two eyes.

If everyone keeps cheering for blood, they will get it soon enough.  Perhaps that of their enemies, Perhaps their own.  Or perhaps that of someone they love.  70 million people voted for Trump in the last election.  If they all must fight or die to exist in your America, you're no better than what you are railing against.

[Brisketexan 105244]

13 minutes ago, Goredho said:

So you are telling me I should trust a random person on the internet (you) when you tell me that people I know closely in reality (not you) are awful, horrible, irredeemable and have no place in American society?  People who I know for a fact are generally good, kind people who are guilty only of falling for an unprecedented political scam that has fooled millions?  Sorry, that does not align with the reality I have directly observed with my own two eyes.

If everyone keeps cheering for blood, they will get it soon enough.  Perhaps that of their enemies, Perhaps their own.  Or perhaps that of someone they love.  70 million people voted for Trump in the last election.  If they all must fight or die to exist in your America, you're no better than what you are railing against.

Now....plug in those same facts in 1930s Germany.  They match up MUCH more closely than either you or I want to see or acknowledge (trust me, I never WANTED it to look like this - I wanted the exact opposite, and have railed against it for years...futilely).  All the way down to "generally good, kind people" falling for it...and falling in line with/allowing horrors to be perpetrated in their name.  By the endgame -- and we're in that endgame here, now -- there were only two kinds of people: those who assisted/acquiesced to the Nazi regime and its actions, or those who resisted.

Yes, it's horrifying to think that SO many of your countrymen would go along with the destruction of the Republic and cruelty against their fellow Americans.....but it's true.  Wanting it not to be true doesn't change that truth.

We've had the chance to reveal our true colors these past years.  They've been revealed.  When people tell you they support these ideas and actions, believe them.  When they later say "well, maybe not if you say them so RUDELY," they haven't changed their minds.  At all.  They just realize they need to polish the turd a bit better if they want to win elections.  But it's still a turd.

Oh, and as to the "If they all must fight or die to exist in your America, you're no better than what you are railing against" -- yep.  That's why I've noted repeatedly that we've already lost.  They want to destroy the Republic.  The only way to stop them is to fight back using their methods....which destroy the Republic.  Heads they win, tails we lose.  It's already over.  We the people, and the Republic, have lost.  I'm just to the point that I'll be fucking damned if we go down without a fight, because fuck those fucking assholes.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Brisketexan

[Goredho 17413]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Now....plug in those same facts in 1930s Germany.  They match up MUCH more closely than either you or I want to see or acknowledge (trust me, I never WANTED it to look like this - I wanted the exact opposite, and have railed against it for years...futilely).  All the way down to "generally good, kind people" falling for it...and falling in line with/allowing horrors to be perpetrated in their name.  By the endgame -- and we're in that endgame here, now -- there were only two kinds of people: those who assisted/acquiesced to the Nazi regime and its actions, or those who resisted.

Yes, it's horrifying to think that SO many of your countrymen would go along with the destruction of the Republic and cruelty against their fellow Americans.....but it's true.  Wanting it not to be true doesn't change that truth.

We've had the chance to reveal our true colors these past years.  They've been revealed.  When people tell you they support these ideas and actions, believe them.  When they later say "well, maybe not if you say them so RUDELY," they haven't changed their minds.  At all.  They just realize they need to polish the turd a bit better if they want to win elections.  But it's still a turd.

I don't know what to say other than you are completely wrong.  You have a lot more time than me to dedicate to debate and pontification here, so I'll leave it at this.

You are pigeon holing a whole lot of people into a single class that you feel must be completely marginalized if not eliminated for the good of society.  That makes you guilty of exactly what you would crucify those people for.  I know for a fact some of the people that you would catch up in your net are not what you want to believe they are.  I have known them, deeply, intimately, for years.  I have lived with them, one for decades. I have seen them carry out great acts of selfless kindness for people who are squarely outside of the conservative, white, Christian heterosexual demographic they belong to.  And yes, I've seen them fall prey to a cult-like political psyops campaign.

These people are not Nazi monsters.  They are humans, capable of being duped and capable of making mistakes.  Just like you are.

Someone else can have my spot on the ledge.

[henrygandorf 29194]

40 minutes ago, Goredho said:

People who I know for a fact are generally good, kind people who are guilty only of falling for an unprecedented political scam that has fooled millions?  Sorry, that does not align with the reality I have directly observed with my own two eyes.

so will they vote for trump in 2024 if he is the gop nominee?  do they know it was a political scam?  if they don't, are you able to reason with them and convince them it was a scam?  do they think pulling the lever for (r) is what's best for the country, regardless of the name next to it?

i'm honestly asking.

[Brisketexan 105244]

1 minute ago, Goredho said:

These people are not Nazi monsters.  They are humans, capable of being duped and capable of making mistakes. 

And my point is simple.  The third reich and all of its horrors wouldn't have succeeded if it depended on just the relatively small group of "Nazi monsters."  It succeeded, and caused unspeakable horror, precisely because of those who went along with it.  The folks you would call otherwise "good people."

And right now, at this moment in our history, those accessories don't want redemption.   They just want someone who will be more polite and electable, but pursue the EXACT same things that their fuhrer pursued.  They want Hitler with a better haircut, without the silly mustache, and with a more refined tone.

It's awful to believe that people we thought were good are actually happily on board with what is objectively evil.  But.....as awful as it is to believe, it's even more awful that it's true.  When the kind person, who would give you the shirt off his back, ALSO helps facilitate The Final Solution, we don't know how to reconcile that.  And maybe we shouldn't.  Maybe my point is that "otherwise good and decent" doesn't mean jack fucking shit when you support a political movement that wants to machine gun brown people at the border, wants to overthrow our government, deny the vote to poor/minorities, condemn women to die if they have a troublesome pregnancy, etc.  I don't care if you work a shift at the food kitchen, or help your elderly neighbor, or any of that shit.  Enough.  At long last, enough.

[RomaVicta 29967]

39 minutes ago, Goredho said:

So you are telling me I should trust a random person on the internet (you) when you tell me that people I know closely in reality (not you) are awful, horrible, irredeemable and have no place in American society?  People who I know for a fact are generally good, kind people who are guilty only of falling for an unprecedented political scam that has fooled millions?  Sorry, that does not align with the reality I have directly observed with my own two eyes.

If everyone keeps cheering for blood, they will get it soon enough.  Perhaps that of their enemies, Perhaps their own.  Or perhaps that of someone they love.  70 million people voted for Trump in the last election.  If they all must fight or die to exist in your America, you're no better than what you are railing against.

My friend, I doubt that the people you know who likely reflect some element of the hope and humanity you display are a fair sampling of the people Brisket describes (accurately, I believe). I'm guessing the degenerates who support the Big Lie and vote for Trumpism no matter what they choose to call it are not people whom you would honor with your friendship. I'm serious.

I won't presume to describe you path of discovery and deduction. I will say that I know very smart and good people who looked at me askance when I even alluded to what was going on beginning in 2016. I'm talking about just quoting credible news outlets and Trump himself. It was too shocking and different for most to believe back then and through 2020.

All of them see the same horrors now that I do. They get that the problem is that large plurality of the electorate dedicated to their team jersey and the sense of righteousness this gives them.

On the other side, those good people you describe maybe haven't awakened. However, if they tell you they just want a good alternative to Trump so they can keep voting GOP then they are indeed part of the problem. They are either continuing to delude themselves that the GOP holds any values or promotes any governance policy beyond acquisition of power at any cost or they are just lying about why they knowingly vote for anti-republic candidates.

The vacuous and rapacious GOP has made itself plainly obvious over the last four years. They didn't want to, but Trump forced them into the light. Charlottesville, Flynn, N. Korea, Puerto Rico hurricane relief, the assertion that raking leaves in the non-forested California wildfires (as they do in Finland) would have had great effect. The Ukraine scandal. The constant lying.

But the big deal? The GOP toed the line and protected him. The GOP tried to block the Jan 6 investigation. GOP elected officials tell horrible lies and don't give a rat fuck about the Uvalde slaughter or anybody at all.

We barely have our nose above the surface of the cesspond of evidence about what is going on. Anybody who says they can't smell it and won't believe it only makes it worse through obstructing those who do see and smell it and want to take action.

In the face of overwhelming proof about the GOP, they're still a viable party. That's what they've done to this dying republic. The greatest congregation of self-congratulatory morons the world has ever seen.

It's American. It's the best. Sure thing, Elmer.

Forgive typos and errors. I'm getting too disgusted to even reread my own words about this.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19142]

28 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I don't know what to say other than you are completely wrong.  You have a lot more time than me to dedicate to debate and pontification here, so I'll leave it at this.

You are pigeon holing a whole lot of people into a single class that you feel must be completely marginalized if not eliminated for the good of society.  That makes you guilty of exactly what you would crucify those people for.  I know for a fact some of the people that you would catch up in your net are not what you want to believe they are.  I have known them, deeply, intimately, for years.  I have lived with them, one for decades. I have seen them carry out great acts of selfless kindness for people who are squarely outside of the conservative, white, Christian heterosexual demographic they belong to.  And yes, I've seen them fall prey to a cult-like political psyops campaign.

These people are not Nazi monsters.  They are humans, capable of being duped and capable of making mistakes.  Just like you are.

Someone else can have my spot on the ledge.

So then what is their reason to keep voting for the Political Party that hates anyone that is not White, Male, Heterosexual or Christian?  Because that hate and rhetoric is already shooting off violence, and these people, by continuing to vote Republican, condone it.

Edited December 6, 2022 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[henrygandorf 29194]

i'll crosspost because it feels like i probably should.

 

[cactusflinthead 27601]

I read that yesterday after you posted it.

Here's where the rubber meets the road.

Show up and vote. 

[Brisketexan 105244]

^^^

Yep.

And every one of the supposed good and decent people referenced above -- EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM -- will vote for him for POTUS if he's the GQP nominee in 2024.  Don't listen to the excuses.  Watch what the GQP DOES.  They protect him at all costs.  They excuse him.  And when ASKED if they'll decline to vote for him if he's the nominee, they just won't say (because the truth is -- they will of course vote for him).

Edited December 6, 2022 by Brisketexan

[YGIFS 19452]

32 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

And my point is simple.  The third reich and all of its horrors wouldn't have succeeded if it depended on just the relatively small group of "Nazi monsters."  It succeeded, and caused unspeakable horror, precisely because of those who went along with it.  The folks you would call otherwise "good people."

And right now, at this moment in our history, those accessories don't want redemption.   They just want someone who will be more polite and electable, but pursue the EXACT same things that their fuhrer pursued.  They want Hitler with a better haircut, without the silly mustache, and with a more refined tone.

It's awful to believe that people we thought were good are actually happily on board with what is objectively evil.  But.....as awful as it is to believe, it's even more awful that it's true.  When the kind person, who would give you the shirt off his back, ALSO helps facilitate The Final Solution, we don't know how to reconcile that.  And maybe we shouldn't.  Maybe my point is that "otherwise good and decent" doesn't mean jack fucking shit when you support a political movement that wants to machine gun brown people at the border, wants to overthrow our government, deny the vote to poor/minorities, condemn women to die if they have a troublesome pregnancy, etc.  I don't care if you work a shift at the food kitchen, or help your elderly neighbor, or any of that shit.  Enough.  At long last, enough.

You forget one extremely important detail.  The one that changed the course of Western History for centuries.  Eventually, almost everyone in Germany went along with the NSP.  And yes, they vilified intellectuals, academics, et. al.  But in the end, that percentage was relatively small compared to the non-Jewish portion of the Reich Protectorate.  They started at the top, the wealthy, ruling class, highly educated, business owners, proud Germans sick of being brow-beaten by the post-WWI climate.  We forget it took 15 years to get that mechanism to trickle down to the masses.  What Trump figured out was to start at the bottom and trickle up.  He made them realize that without his undercurrent of populist hatred, their power was temporary...and revocable.  What Himmler, Goering, and Goebbels took nearly 20 years to accomplish...Trump will do in less than 10.  It can all end in a month, but this nation lacks the spine to get MAGA on the trains.  So beware what comes next.

[Lurch 5931]

Posting on the bird site isn’t standing on the line when every view/click is funding the problem.

[henrygandorf 29194]

49 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

They just want someone who will be more polite and electable

just look at the inflection point.  did people start abandoning trump when he:

(  ) said grab 'em by the pussy

(  ) paid hush money to pornstars

(  ) said there were good people on both sides

(  ) cheated on his wives, taxes, businesses

(  ) tried to blackmail ukraine to win an election

(  ) lied about the election results

(  ) incited a violent insurrection

(  ) supported nazis (again)

(  ) said to shred the constitution

(x) started losing

 

[lemonlime 5503]

55 minutes ago, Goredho said:

I don't know what to say other than you are completely wrong.  You have a lot more time than me to dedicate to debate and pontification here, so I'll leave it at this.

You are pigeon holing a whole lot of people into a single class that you feel must be completely marginalized if not eliminated for the good of society.  That makes you guilty of exactly what you would crucify those people for.  I know for a fact some of the people that you would catch up in your net are not what you want to believe they are.  I have known them, deeply, intimately, for years.  I have lived with them, one for decades. I have seen them carry out great acts of selfless kindness for people who are squarely outside of the conservative, white, Christian heterosexual demographic they belong to.  And yes, I've seen them fall prey to a cult-like political psyops campaign.

These people are not Nazi monsters.  They are humans, capable of being duped and capable of making mistakes.  Just like you are.

Someone else can have my spot on the ledge.

The "Nazi monsters," except for maybe a few people at the top, didn't start out as "Nazi monsters."  If you had told them or their neighbors, in say 1932, they would contribute to the genocide of millions, they would have called you a liar and been horrified.  They were probably for the most part good neighbors who loved their families..  But they were also Nazi monsters and that's rightfully what they're remembered for today, after their deaths--the atrocities they participated in.

Just as a thought experiment, what if you told them 10 years ago that the Republican loser of the last election called for the Constitution to be suspended and that he be installed in to office, and no Republicans spoke out against it.  Would your friends have believed that to have really happened?  Would they have believed that they would have supported a candidate who called for the Constitution to be suspended?    Would they have been okay with religious bans?  Separating babies from their mothers?  Letting people die after a hurricane because they were from a territory?  Spreading anti-vax nonsense during a global pandemic?  The president saying there were "good Nazis"?

[WhatTheBuck 28797]

2 hours ago, Goredho said:

We'll have to agree to disagree that everyone in the GOP or who voted for them the past couple cycles is irredeemable and must be made to pay for their sins.  I know yours is probably the more popular opinion here, but I firmly believe it is the path to becoming exactly what they say you are and further perpetuating the problem.  There are plenty of historical examples where forced atonement has had the opposite to desired effect, and I hope there are people with more power than you or I that are seeking to leverage those who have been wrong in the past, but who are willing to work on the right side of history now.   I know for a fact there are many conservative voters who desperately want another conservative option than what they had and voted for in 2016 and 2020.

But if they don’t get that other option than they’ll happily vote the same way in 2024 as they did in 2016 and 2020. And maybe they really just want the same option with a different face like, say, DeSantis. He’ll still hurt the right people but he won’t be quite as in-your-face Trumpy. 

[henrygandorf 29194]

14 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

But if they don’t get that other option than they’ll happily vote the same way in 2024 as they did in 2016 and 2020. And maybe they really just want the same option with a different face like, say, DeSantis. He’ll still hurt the right people but he won’t be quite as in-your-face Trumpy. 

yep.  wanting it to be a more palatable trump doesn't get you off the hook 6 months later when you pull the lever for actual trump.

the other side of that is also true.  wanting it to be desantis because trump is a piece of shit doesn't absolve you when desantis shockingly behaves like said piece of shit.  i didn't realize the leopard would also be eating my face.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33885]

this is the world conservatives want for us. a dystopian nightmare

 

[Willfully Horn 8046]

As of the last election, voting R is indecent and unAmerican.

Edited December 6, 2022 by Willfully Horn

[Jack Straw 2954]

18 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

As of the last election, voting R is indecent and unAmerican.

that’s actually been the case a lot longer than that, but yeah.