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To be fair, President Trump’s four years in office weren’t so bad, except when when he incited an insurrection against the government, mismanaged a pandemic that killed nearly half a million Americans

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You seem really pissed off for a nontrumper.  Just laugh at the trumpers, bro.  They’re really gullible dumbfucks who worship this orange blob…you know, people completely unlike yourself.  

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

I know that you do not pay not attention to the things that are happening in places like Yemen because they are not being spoon fed to you, but you do not need to make it so obvious. 

Look, while it is close to the end of the year, sometimes there is no need to wait until the end of the season to pick a winner.   

I am proud to announce  Anastasis as the recipient of the Surly 2022 Both Sides Award!!!!

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22 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I know that you do not pay not attention to the things that are happening in places like Yemen because they are not being spoon fed to you, but you do not need to make it so obvious.  Maybe if someone tiktok'ed about it, it would register in your feed?

Again, no.

Biden is not selling those arms to Saudis. Trump did that. 
 

https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2021/02/05/boeing-raytheon-missile-sales-to-saudi-arabia-canceled-by-biden-administration/
 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/05/27/exclusive-white-house-blocks-transfer-of-cluster-bombs-to-saudi-arabia/

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7 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Again, no.

Biden is not selling those arms to Saudis. Trump did that. 
 

https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2021/02/05/boeing-raytheon-missile-sales-to-saudi-arabia-canceled-by-biden-administration/
 

https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2021/02/05/boeing-raytheon-missile-sales-to-saudi-arabia-canceled-by-biden-administration/

I am not shocked that you find new and novel ways to clown yourself. 

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SA uses US munitions against Yemen. Obama stops selling missiles to SA. Trump restarts selling missiles to SA. Biden blocks those sales. Both sider sees no difference, uses Trump’s sales as an excuse to ignore Trump’s stochastic terrorism resulting in attacks on certain US demographics. 
 

No wonder you lash out more often than you constructively engage. You’re a mess.

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I suggest this thread not continue being the shitfight it's become. Not saying valid points aren't being scored, but we're really off course here. 

We shouldn't have any part in bombing the Yemenese. We absolutely should be supporting Ukraine. I don't see the former as defining any party; our policy in the MidEast has been extraordinarily stupid and brutal even by our own standards for decades.

Ukraine has divided along party lines to the shame of the GOP which is a pity because they don't have a sense of shame.

Lastly, we only have one political party right now. The other political force is a fascist threat to the republic operating at an astoundingly high level of criminality absolutely devoid of moral or scruple. Trump embodies that. 

Back to his pathetic downfall.

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16 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Ukraine has divided along party lines to the shame of the GOP which is a pity because they don't have a sense of shame.

Which is still weird as hell, because for decades, Republicans painted themselves as being the anti-Russian party, and now they lose their minds over us sending weapons to kill actual Russians, and their biggest TV pundits are spouting the talking points of a former KGB agent-turned Russian leader, and are lauded on Russian state TV.

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I've read the NYT and the WaPo article on it and neither seem very clear on exactly what was the triggering event.  He seems like a MAGA dope in mixing his pro-life stuff with election denial.  I've also read comments where people claim a key part of his message is "anyone who votes D is going to hell".  My guess is his overly dramatic anti-abortion stuff alone isn't sufficient to get him kicked out.  The Catholic Church has stayed above the fray in elections mostly, so my guess is they tolerate the election denial if it is just some individual preaching, but mixing it with "vote X and you go to hell" they consider it a doctrinal problem.  So if that part is true, he gets the boot.  If it is the other stuff, it would have to be because he continues to do it despite repeated warnings from his bishop to tone it down.  Then the cause would just be a sort of generic insubordination.

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Ok, an update. I posted earlier about the "Trump shrine" at one of my parents house that I wondered if it might disappear. Couple of hats, an inauguration invitation, and some other stuff they thought was neat.

Well, it's no longer there. I didn't ask specifically about it, but it's gone. At one point, Dad talked about how Trump couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Turned over a new leaf? Hahha, no. Fox News playing all weekend. The old man asked when someone is going to break the ice in the media and call Biden a murderer for all the fentanyl/drugs coming over the border. ("Dad, they are reporting that the seized 2 million fentanyl pills... that means they were caught." "Yeah, but how much isn't caught?") The station started talking about the border and all the people coming over at El Paso ("Trump tried to build a wall." "Dad, what do you see in the background of all the shots they are showing of these migrants? There is a wall right there.")

As an aside, Fox News is just... wow. Obviously I don't watch it, but just hear about it. To see it live is just dumbfounding. It is 100% designed to just get people completely angry at one side. There's no "reporting" really. Just hitting these stories and then having a talking head come in and bash Dems/Biden. Oddly enough, Trump was not mentioned once. And I'd say 75% of the reports were on Title 42 ending/border issues.  
 

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Ok, an update. I posted earlier about the "Trump shrine" at one of my parents house that I wondered if it might disappear. Couple of hats, an inauguration invitation, and some other stuff they thought was neat.

Well, it's no longer there. I didn't ask specifically about it, but it's gone. At one point, Dad talked about how Trump couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Turned over a new leaf? Hahha, no. Fox News playing all weekend. The old man asked when someone is going to break the ice in the media and call Biden a murderer for all the fentanyl/drugs coming over the border. ("Dad, they are reporting that the seized 2 million fentanyl pills... that means they were caught." "Yeah, but how much isn't caught?") The station started talking about the border and all the people coming over at El Paso ("Trump tried to build a wall." "Dad, what do you see in the background of all the shots they are showing of these migrants? There is a wall right there.")

As an aside, Fox News is just... wow. Obviously I don't watch it, but just hear about it. To see it live is just dumbfounding. It is 100% designed to just get people completely angry at one side. There's no "reporting" really. Just hitting these stories and then having a talking head come in and bash Dems/Biden. Oddly enough, Trump was not mentioned once. And I'd say 75% of the reports were on Title 42 ending/border issues.  
 

I remember distinctly a dinner with my step mom before in the months before her passing from covid, where she had NewsMax on in the kitchen the whole time while preparing dinner.  It was interesting/horrifying to observe her.  It was like she had developed some form of ADHD.  When something provocative was said on the TV, she'd stop what she was doing, and tune into the TV and out from us.  She'd just shake her head while watching until the next commercial, then she could break away and get back to dinner.  It took her like 2 and a half hours to make chicken fried deer meat steaks and corn on the cob for 5.   It wasn't the last time I saw her, but it might as well have been.

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I remember distinctly a dinner with my step mom before in the months before her passing from covid, where she had NewsMax on in the kitchen the whole time while preparing dinner.  It was interesting/horrifying to observe her.  It was like she had developed some form of ADHD.  When something provocative was said on the TV, she'd stop what she was doing, and tune into the TV and out from us.  She'd just shake her head while watching until the next commercial, then she could break away and get back to dinner.  It took her like 2 and a half hours to make chicken fried deer meat steaks and corn on the cob for 5.   It wasn't the last time I saw her, but it might as well have been.

There's a total addictive quality about it. Hell, I couldn't help but see what the next headline would be. 

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44 minutes ago, FirstTimeCaller said:

There's a total addictive quality about it. Hell, I couldn't help but see what the next headline would be. 

It's outrage and anger porn.

We had some younger friends of ours ask about it with respect to his parents.  Our friends have three young girls, they often travel from Houston to Llano to visit his parents, who now live rural and are fully consumed by the Fox news lifestyle.  Our friend asks "we're up there to have a family visit, to play with the girls on the lake, have a barbecue with the grandparents.....and they spend the entire time just ANGRY.  Look at their lives -- they have a nice little place on the river.  They have all they could need or want.  They have beautiful grandkids who love them and visit them.  What the hell are they so ANGRY about?"

It's a damned good question.  The answer is "they bowed to peer pressure from their fellow rural residents and got hooked on an addictive substance -- FOX news."  It's a tale as old as time...

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3 hours ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

I've read the NYT and the WaPo article on it and neither seem very clear on exactly what was the triggering event.  He seems like a MAGA dope in mixing his pro-life stuff with election denial.  I've also read comments where people claim a key part of his message is "anyone who votes D is going to hell".  My guess is his overly dramatic anti-abortion stuff alone isn't sufficient to get him kicked out.  The Catholic Church has stayed above the fray in elections mostly, so my guess is they tolerate the election denial if it is just some individual preaching, but mixing it with "vote X and you go to hell" they consider it a doctrinal problem.  So if that part is true, he gets the boot.  If it is the other stuff, it would have to be because he continues to do it despite repeated warnings from his bishop to tone it down.  Then the cause would just be a sort of generic insubordination.

The lead charge was "blasphemy."  And the act I saw that would support it was putting an aborted fetus on the alter during Mass.  And I have to tell you--yeah, that's pretty blasphemous.

I did like the line in the WaPo article that Pavone's response was "Cancel culture is alive and well in the Catholic Church."  I mean, it has been alive and well for 2,000 years--I don't know why it would've died now.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

We had some younger friends of ours ask about it with respect to his parents.  Our friends have three young girls, they often travel from Houston to Llano to visit his parents, who now live rural and are fully consumed by the Fox news lifestyle.  Our friend asks "we're up there to have a family visit, to play with the girls on the lake, have a barbecue with the grandparents.....and they spend the entire time just ANGRY.  Look at their lives -- they have a nice little place on the river.  They have all they could need or want.  They have beautiful grandkids who love them and visit them.  What the hell are they so ANGRY about?"

I've had the exact same thoughts about my in-laws. Very successful by anyone's standards, and now they live a relaxing semi-retired lifestyle. But every fucking thing makes them so MAD. Just seems like a terrible way to go through life.

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58 minutes ago, tokamak said:

I've had the exact same thoughts about my in-laws. Very successful by anyone's standards, and now they live a relaxing semi-retired lifestyle. But every fucking thing makes them so MAD. Just seems like a terrible way to go through life.

Same with MIL.  Just an angry human being when it comes down to it.

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The lead charge was "blasphemy."  And the act I saw that would support it was putting an aborted fetus on the alter during Mass.  And I have to tell you--yeah, that's pretty blasphemous.

wait...so like...a model of an aborted fetus? a photo??

please tell me it wasn't literally aborted fetal tissue...

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13 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Which is still weird as hell, because for decades, Republicans painted themselves as being the anti-Russian party, and now they lose their minds over us sending weapons to kill actual Russians, and their biggest TV pundits are spouting the talking points of a former KGB agent-turned Russian leader, and are lauded on Russian state TV.

Well, they also don't want to investigate January 6th either, especially since crimes were committed by Republicans against our democracy.  But both sides.  

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4 hours ago, tokamak said:

I've had the exact same thoughts about my in-laws. Very successful by anyone's standards, and now they live a relaxing semi-retired lifestyle. But every fucking thing makes them so MAD. Just seems like a terrible way to go through life.

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Same with MIL.  Just an angry human being when it comes down to it.

Are we related?

And I’m really disappointed in older relatives and acquaintances who are well-traveled internationally and used to say great things about the various countries they visited or worked in, but now act like they’ve never been to them, that those countries are dangerous hellholes, etc.  and they despise certain states, and groups like Democrats (which many of them used to be Democrats in their early years).

And some of them regularly attend church and consider themselves food Christians, but are just incredibly full of hate, and get pissed when you point out that’s not what Jesus was about.

And then there are the ones that used to be anti-communist/anti-Russian.  One relative in his 70s was really proud of his career in the Air Force, including being stationed in Alaska and Norway and bragging about how people like him kept the Russian bear at bay decades ago, but now is upset that we are helping Ukraine.

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On 12/18/2022 at 5:27 PM, Francisco 2.0 said:

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Though few rules guide the life of a former president, Trump has exhibited a characteristic disinterest in following any of them. These days, he is served almost exclusively by sycophants, having replaced successive rounds of loyal yet inexperienced aides with staffers even more beholden and novice.

Natalie Harp, one of Trump’s employees and a former host on the pro-Trump cable network One America News, often accompanies Trump on his daily golf outings, riding the course in a golf cart equipped with a laptop and sometimes a printer to show him uplifting news articles, online posts or other materials.

On some quiet days, another aide, Molly Michael, who served asTrump’s assistant in the White House, has called around to Trump’s network of allies across the country requesting that they dial the former president to boost his spirits with positive affirmations. There’s nothing going on, she has told them, adding that his friends know how restless he gets when nothing is going on, according to people who have heard her appeal.

Multiple Trump advisers said there is no senior aide living in Florida full time, with advisers flying in and out as needed. “He needs someone there to say, ‘Here’s a really bad idea, and this is why.’ I don’t think he has that kind of crowd around him right now. Nor does the president want anybody like that,” said David Urban, a longtime Trump adviser turned critic.

Like he did as president, Trump has looked for ways to turn a profit with his new arrangement: Trump’s staff tried, unsuccessfully, to get the General Services Administration to pay rent at Mar-a-Lago — potentially for his lifetime — for the office space he has created for himself above the club’s ballroom.

A longtime Trump confidant termed his Mar-a-Lago existence, where he has tried to re-create the trappings of the presidency, as “sad.” Comparing it to life at the White House, this person added, “It’s like a Barbie Dream House miniature.”

This behind-the-scenes account of Trump’s post-presidential life is based on interviews with 23 people, some of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose private details about Trump and his orbit, many of which have not been previously reported.

Trump spokesman Steven Cheung responded to questions about this reporting with a statement that said Trump “spent the last two years continuing to build up the MAGA movement and helping elect America First candidates across the country, to the tune of a 98.6% endorsement record in primary elections.”

“There is nobody who has worked harder to advance the conservative movement. After years of biased media coverage and Big Tech meddling in an election to help Joe Biden and the Democrats, President Trump continues to be the single, most dominant force in politics and people— especially unnamed sources who purport to be close to him— should never doubt his ability to win in a decisive and commanding fashion,” he added.

Observers and some Trump allies alike believe that after years of investigations into Trump’s conduct, it is his behavior since leaving office that may be most likely to lead to his criminal indictment — for mishandling classified documents and obstructing the work of federal investigators hunting for those records.

“I think it’s pretty obvious, when there was no around to tell you that, ‘No, Mr. President, you cannot do that,’ it just leads inevitably to this kind of problem,” said Chris Whipple, author of “The Gatekeepers,” a history of White House chiefs of staff.

“In a way it looks almost like the Trump Presidency 2.0,” he said. “Just no guard rails, on steroids.”

‘Opportunities for messing up’

Trump is hardly the first ex-president to struggle with life as a private citizen after the heady experience of holding the world’s most powerful job. Bill Clinton, for instance, filled hours in his first months after leaving office holed up at home in Chappaqua, N.Y., bingeing TV shows and movies he had missed as president on a TiVo gifted to him by the Hollywood director Steven Spielberg.

Most former presidents have compensated for the boredom by throwing themselves into the task of crafting a new kind of public life, pursuing charitable goals and managing their legacies through books and the building of a presidential library.

But not Trump. Unwilling to accept the reality of his November 2020 election loss to President Biden, Trump resisted efforts to plan for his post-presidential life, according to people close to him. The result was a delayed, chaotic and little-thought-out process that many around Trump believe set the stage for troubles to come.

In his final weeks in office, White House staffers interested in working for Trump after he stepped down were required to engage in a strange dance in which they competed for post-presidential jobs without admitting there would be no second Trump term — a concession that risked angering the outgoing president and thereby eliminating them from consideration. It was all “cloak and daggers,” said one person familiar with the dynamic.

By law, presidents and vice presidents leaving office are together provided up to $2.6 million in public funds to “wind down” their offices, pay staff salaries, rent office space and buy supplies like copy paper and pens. Once requested, the money can be accessed for 30 days prior to leaving office and up to six months after.

Documents released by the GSA show that Trump’s White House chief of staff Mark Meadows did not sign a formal agreement requesting the money until Jan. 11, five days after the attack on the U.S. Capitol and several weeks after funding would have otherwise been available by law.

The delay impacted aides to Vice President Mike Pence, too, who could only then begin to tap the funds and start looking for office space to locate transition offices. Over the frantic days that followed, they selected the 12th floor of a generic-looking office tower managed by the GSA in Crystal City, near Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport in Northern Virginia. Not long after, Trump aides contacted Pence’s team, according to a person familiar with the discussions. Though many around Pence believed Trump had endangered the life of his vice president during the Jan. 6, 2021, attack, now Trump’s team asked: Could they use the Crystal City space for transition offices as well?

While Meadows signed the GSA document, the work of transitioning Trump to life in Florida actually fell to lower level staffers — including operations aide William “Beau” Harrison, body man Nick Luna and his personal assistant Michael — who held less sway with the outgoing president and knew less about government functions, people familiar with the transition said. Harrison, Luna and Michael declined to comment about their roles in the transition.

All administration documents, which represent the public historical record of a president’s time in office, are required by law to be sent to the National Archives and Records Administration at the end of the term for safekeeping. Gifts given to the president are also supposed to go to the Archives no later than Inauguration Day, unless the president pays the government an amount equivalent to the item’s appraised value.

Archives officials had been working with a military team since December 2020 to pack up and ship documents and gifts from the White House offices to storage in Maryland, with trucks going back and forth on a nearly daily basis until Trump left office on Jan. 20, 2021. But as his remaining days ticked down, they became concerned about boxes of documents that Trump had taken back to the White House residence. Meanwhile, a Jan. 11 email from Harrison to GSA officials shows he anticipated as many as 100 boxes of presidential gifts would be stored at the Crystal City office after Trump left the White House.

People around Trump said they believe the chaotic transition played a key role in Trump’s ability to carry off thousands of government documents to his Florida club. It also meant that the Crystal City office was crammed with leftover stuff from the Trump White House with no apparent organization and little knowledge of what was even there.

The emails were released by the GSA on the agency’s website in response to a public records request from Bloomberg News. They track a chaotic effort to move the leftovers of Trump’s concluded term to Florida and frequent confusion over what was owned by the American people and what was owned by Trump.

In April 2021, a Trump aide emailed a GSA official to ask if the agency’s transition funds could be used to ship an enormous portrait of Trump to Florida. The painting, she explained, weighed 300 pounds and measured 6 by 8 feet in its crate.

“I am so sorry to ask — this is a weird one!” wrote Trump aide Desiree Thompson Sayle. After several days, the GSA official responded that the agency’s lawyers had nixed the request. “Since this is personal property, GSA Transition funds cannot be used for this shipping,” GSA official Kathy Geisler responded. In July, Sayle followed up to explain the team’s resolution for the painting, which was apparently given to Trump after the presidency ended: “We are loading the large portrait received after the 21st on a Penske truck to transport to my house so I can put it on my moving van.” Neither Sayle nor Geisler responded to requests for comment.

Max Stier, the president of the Partnership for Public Service, which assists with transitions, said the process for winding down a presidency can be challenging. But, he added, “it’s a lot harder if you start from the proposition that [the trappings of office] belong to you, than if you start with the proposition that it belongs to the office and to the country.”

“In a complicated process, if you don’t have the right underlying ethos, the opportunities for messing up are much larger,” he said.

As July 2021 drew to a close and Trump staff were losing access to transition funds, the emails show they raced to close down the Crystal City office and ship the remaining items to Florida, where Trump had now established his primary base of operations at Mar-a-Lago in Palm Beach. He was now a Floridian, having changed his voter registration from New York to Florida. Emails show GSA officials rented an 8-by-10-foot storage unit in July 2021 for the former president at a private facility in nearby West Palm Beach and then arranged to ship more than 3,000 pounds of boxes from Virginia to the unit, as well as another nearly 1,500 pounds of boxes to Mar-a-Lago in September.

The documents show one employee who was listed as a contact for the shipment to the storage unit was Kitty Gubello, a longtime employee of Mar-a-Lago — an example of how thoroughly Trump intermingled his public and private lives. (Asked for comment, Gubello wrote in a text message: “My allegiance is to the club and the family. You will get nothing out of me.”)

Lawyers for Trump found two items with classification markings during a recent search of the storage unit, The Washington Post has reported. The discovery meant the items had likely followed a circuitous path since Trump left office, moving from the White House to Crystal City to the West Palm Beach unit, spending nearly two years in facilities that lacked security features required for the storage of classified materials.

One person familiar with the Virginia office called it “not especially secure” — the 12th floor of a high rise, where people came and went. Meanwhile, the storage facility, located off a busy interstate in West Palm Beach, lacks visible security guards near the rear entrance. People come and go there as well. Inside are hundreds of numbered storage units with locked metal garage doors. Representatives of the facility did not respond to a request to comment about security measures.

Trump advisers who helped oversee moving the boxes to Mar-a-Lago and the storage facility said there was no cataloguing system or organizational structure to track what ended up where — and the storage room was initially packed.

After transition funding lapses, former presidents are still by law afforded some financial support for the remainder of their lives, including funding for “suitable office space,” as determined by the GSA.

For Trump’s personal use, his young aides spent months redecorating office space located above the 20,000-square-foot ballroom at his Florida club. The former president personally directed the process, choosing the furniture, rugs and paintings, and designating which mementos of his time in office would be displayed. Even so, people familiar with the process said aides fretted he would deem the redesigned space insufficient after four years in the Oval Office.

At some point, his aides requested that the GSA formally lease the space from Mar-a-Lago for his use as a post-presidential office — an arrangement that would have directed a stream of taxpayer money back to Trump, potentially for the remainder of his life — a person familiar with the request said. The GSA declined, instead leasing office space in West Palm Beach.

A GSA spokesperson said the agency discussed “a variety of lease options” for Trump’s permanent use, “including the possibility of a lease at Mar-a-Lago.” The spokesperson said the conversations were “preliminary,” did not result in a deal and the agency currently pays no money to Trump-owned properties.

‘There are no protocols’

Trump took time to readjust to his post-presidential life. He was surprised by how much his Secret Service detail and motorcade had shrunk. He no longer had use of a major aircraft; Air Force One was unavailable to him, and his company’s TRUMP-emblazoned Boeing 757 was in the shop — repairs that took years, with delays that infuriated him. His living spaces were far smaller than the White House. And he was annoyed that his statements to the press were not getting much attention, four advisers said.

At one point in early 2021, Trump asked a team of advisers if he could summon a press pool — like the contingent of reporters, photographers and videographers who travel with the president — for an event at his Florida club. But there was no pool on call because he was no longer president.

“We had to explain to him that he didn’t have a group standing around waiting for him anymore,” one former aide said.

Instead, they gathered the few reporters who happened to be reporting in Palm Beach, two people familiar with the matter said.

He was routinely angry, advisers said, about being removed from social media, particularly his beloved Twitter, where his account was suspended two days after Jan. 6, 2021, for risking further violence with his false tweets. His mood was foul for months, as he paid attention to little else than the lost election, conspiracy theories to explain away the Jan. 6 attack and mounting legal bills from a rotating cast of attorneys he spoke to daily.

“It was a really dark, dark time,” the aide said, recalling that staff would ask “are you going to set up a library? What’s your post-presidential foundation?”

“He wasn’t interested in any of that at all,” the aide added.

People who know Trump said the need for attention that has been a driving force throughout his life has not dwindled since he left the office that shone on him the world’s brightest spotlight. That has pushed him to seek adulation from a court of supplicants who pay for access to Trump at his Mar-a-Lago and Bedminster, N.J., clubs, where he has spent most of his time.

“The appetite for attention hasn’t waned, but that’s where he gets it now,” a Trump confidant said. “The networks don’t carry his rallies. He doesn’t get interviews anymore. He can’t stand under the wing of Air Force One and gaggle [with reporters] for an hour.”

Trump rarely agrees to interviews these days with independent journalists that could become confrontational; several advisers noted he recently granted an interview with NewsNation’s Markie Martin, the sister of his longtime press aide, Margo Martin.

On a typical day since leaving office, advisers said, Trump gets up early, makes phone calls, watches television and reads some newspapers. Then, six days a week, he plays 18 or sometimes 27 holes of golf at one of his courses. After lunch, he changes into a suit from his golf shirt and slacks and shows up in the office above the Mar-a-Lago ballroom or, when he is in New Jersey, a similar office in a cottage near the Bedminster club’s pool.

By evening, Trump emerges for dinner, surrounded most nights by adoring club members who stand and applaud at his appearance; they stand and applaud again after he finishes his meal and retires for the night. He often orders special meals from the kitchen and spends time curating the music wafting over the crowd, frequently pushing for the volume to be raised or lowered based on his mood. In the Oval Office, Trump had a button he could push to summon an aide to bring him a Diet Coke or snacks. Now, he just yells out commands to whichever employee is in earshot.

At times, Trump makes unannounced visits at weddings, gala benefits and other events being hosted by paying customers in Mar-a-Lago’s ballroom, basking as attendees mob him for selfies. He has also attended fundraisers there; many Republican candidates have paid Trump to use his club as a venue at which to raise campaign funds.

“There are no protocols. He plays golf. He meets with people in the afternoon. He really doesn’t do a lot of consequence most days,” one person in his orbit said.

At times, advisers said, he becomes absorbed in his role as the de facto leader of the Republican Party, bringing about $150 million into his main fundraising vehicle and doling out endorsements to reward supporters and punish critics. At others, he appears aimless and rooted in the past, obsessing about an election two years ago and petty slights.

 

Harp, who has worked for Trump since the spring, offered a different view, writing in an email that the former president is “constantly busy and working.”

“In fact, I can’t believe how much work he is able to get done,” she wrote.

As a private citizen, Trump is far more isolated than he was as president.He makes virtually no public appearances outside of political rallies where he is surrounded by even larger crowds of screaming fans. (Despite declaring his reelection campaign in the Mar-a-Lago ballroom on Nov. 15, he has not emerged from his cocoon for a rally out in the country since then.) He takes no vacations to properties he does not own. He almost never encounters people willing to challenge his behavior — much less true political opponents.

Several people close to Trump said there are only a few people who are willing to deliver bad news left in his orbit, political adviser Susan Wiles chief among them. His circle has shrunken considerably, with many of his longtime allies attempting to avoid dinner invites — and some even weighing roles with other 2024 candidates.

“No one wants to confront him because he can be a beast,” one adviser said. After the dinner with Fuentes and West, who now goes by the name Ye, advisers to Trump were flooded with calls from allies, lawmakers and others questioning the decision and urging him to apologize. Trump received few of them himself, however, people familiar with the matter said.

Some longtime aides are particularly distressed by the influence of Harp, 31, who is rarely absent from his side. She is said to cater attentively to his need for constant praise. While other advisers have urged Trump to vet his statements to the social media platform Truth Social, Harp has been willing to post whatever Trump wants without review. She often perches herself right outside his office, two advisers said, and follows Trump around all day, including on the golf course.

“She is indicative of the people around him who just love him,” the adviser said. “Love him too much.”

“Like other staffers, I do spend time with him,” Harp wrote, adding that she has “a great respect” for Trump.

“He is extremely popular with the people,” she wrote. “I see that by being with him.”

Cheung, the Trump spokesman, defended Harp: “Among many other talented members of the team, Natalie is dedicated and loyal and has been invaluable.”

Michael, 30, was also known for her loyalty — both in the White House, where she served as an assistant posted immediately outside the Oval Office, and at Mar-a-Lago in the post-presidency. She had a reputation in the White House for always being ready with the answer Trump wanted or the piece of paper he needed. “She just understands how Trump wanted things,” said one former colleague.

Michael left Trump’s employ late this summer, after being questioned by investigators about how Trump handled documents.

One of the only aides who worked for Trump in the White House and still spends significant time in his presence is Nauta, people close to Trump said. A native of Guam, Nauta enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 2001 and was promoted from the White House mess to serve as the president’s valet not long after Trump took office. In that role, he spent all day in and out of the Oval Office, bringing the president glasses of Diet Coke, fetching his coat and moving documents from room to room — duties not unlike those he performs for Trump now that he is out of office. In Trump’s world, where rivalries are common, Nauta is widely liked and perceived as a genuinely nice guy.

Prosecutors have been seeking to secure cooperation from Nauta in the investigation of classified documents stored at Mar-a-Lago, people familiar with the case have said. When first questioned by the FBI, they said he denied any knowledge or awareness of sensitive documents at Mar-a-Lago. When questioned a second time, however, he told investigators he moved boxes at Trump’s direction after a grand jury subpoena in May was delivered demanding the return of any documents with classified markings. Nauta is one of several potentially key witnesses whose lawyers’ fees are being paid through Trump’s political action committee, Save America. Some experts have said the arrangement could influence Nauta’s testimony.

Even when Trump was president, former White House chief of staff John F. Kelly said senior staff dreaded the time the president spent at the 17-acre club in Palm Beach because he would often return to Washington brimming with off-the-wall ideas planted by Mar-a-Lago members.

“So many of the members knew exactly how to get what they wanted from him. It was all about his vanity,” Kelly said. “It was never good when he was there for long periods of time.”

Now that he is away from the security of the White House, people close to Trump say more random figures around the country have his personal cellphone number and can easily get access to him, particularly if they play to his obsession with false theories that the 2020 election was stolen. As a confidant put it, “Some guy from Arizona is calling and saying, ‘You won’t believe the fraud we saw.’”

Since the November dinner with Ye and Fuentes, advisers have attempted to install a bit more structure, trying to keep a top aide with him at all times and saying they plan to hire more Florida-based staff next year for the campaign. But one former aide said recent events show how security and political protocols have fallen away from Trump, starting in the White House and accelerating in the two years since.

“At first it was: how did Omarosa get in here?” said the former aide said, referring to the former reality show star who caused a stir when she briefly was able to secure a White House job early in Trump’s tenure.

“Then it was: What is Sidney Powell doing here?” the former aide said, describing the moment in December 2020 when a group including the lawyer was able to talk their way into an Oval Office meeting with Trump to discuss overturning the election.

“Now it is: What was Nick Fuentes doing having dinner with Trump?” the former aide concluded.

What happened to the rest of the boxes?’

The May 2021 email from a top official at the National Archives did not initially set off alarm bells for Trump’s team. In the email, the official flagged that some high-profile documents from Trump’s time in office appeared to be missing from the records his team had turned over as he was leaving the White House. “It is absolutely necessary that we obtain and account for all presidential records,” the Archives official wrote.

But for months, Trump resisted the Archives’ request that he return the documents, informing staffers that boxes at Mar-a-Lago contained only news clippings, golf clothes, gifts and nonsensitive documents. What’s more, he argued that anything from his time as president was his to keep. Told by one aide in October 2021 that Archives officials had made a determination that missing records belonged to the American people and needed to be returned to the government, Trump responded, “It’s a bunch of crap,” according to one of his advisers.

 

Trump agreed to return some of the boxes only after the Archives threatened to notify Congress or the Justice Department. Trump packed the boxes himself, Michael told others. Those offering to help were warned by one of Trump’s lawyers, Alex Cannon, that doing so could put them in jeopardy, the adviser said.

Finally in December 2021, Trump aides informed the Archives that some notable documents had been located, including correspondence with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un that Trump had once touted as “love letters.”

The following month, Trump returned 15 boxes to the National Archives. Some of his aides were immediately worried. They knew there had been more than 15 boxes stashed in a storage room in a basement area beneath the public areas of Mar-a-Lago. “What happened to the rest of the boxes?” one lawyer asked others, according to the Trump adviser.

In February, Trump told his team to release a public statement that all materials had been returned, and inform the Archives of the same. His spokesman and lawyer declined, people familiar with the matter said.

 

The lawyers working on the case — Cannon, former deputy White House counsel Pat Philbin and others — were soon replaced by a coterie of lawyers who told Trump what he wanted to hear. That group formally included Boris Epshteyn and Evan Corcoran, as well as Tom Fitton of Judicial Watch, who played an informal role. Fitton argued to other lawyers that presidents are allowed to deem their records personal, a claim Trump echoed to his lawyers. Fitton declined to comment on his role.

When Archives officials opened the boxes they received from Florida, they soon discovered that some documents inside had markings indicating they were classified at the highest levels. They contacted the FBI. By May, after interviewing Trump aides, authorities were convinced that additional classified records might still be held at Mar-a-Lago and sent a grand jury subpoena seeking their return.

In June, two Trump lawyers met with Justice Department officials and turned over a taped up folder containing 38 documents with classification markings. One of the lawyers, Christina Bobb, also provided a signed statement saying she had been told boxes sent to Florida from the White House had been diligently searched and no other documents with markings were in Trump’s possession.

But when the FBI returned in August, this time with a court authorized search warrant, they gathered 103 classified documents, and took an additional 13,000 documents after examining a storage area in the byzantine lower levels of the club and Trump’s office and residence at the club.

 

The Ye dinner just before Thanksgiving reinforced questions that had already been raised about storing highly sensitive material at the club, which hosts regular public events and where some guests and employees are foreign nationals. National security experts and even some former Trump staff have called the club a counterintelligence headache.

In 2019, for instance, a Chinese national was arrested carrying phones and other electronic devices after getting past a reception area by saying she was headed to the pool. People who have visited the club since Trump left office have said security is even more lax now, with guests often able to access the property without even showing an identification.

Karen Giorno, the former Trump adviser who brought Ye and Fuentes to the club, has told others that she had forgotten her driver’s license when she arrived for dinner and was able to access the property by showing a security guard a bank card with her name on it.

While Trump continues to receive Secret Service protection as a former president, the detail is there to guard him, not provide broader security to the club. When one aide recommended the club subject visitors to more thorough vetting, Trump replied, “The members need to be able to come and go,” according to someone familiar with the exchange. He has told advisers that security is not a problem since everyone visiting the club loves him.

The club, meanwhile, is bordered by residential streets, including one to the north which ends at a gate with only a small sign to warn away trespassers.

Visited on a day late last month — four months after the club was searched by the FBI, and just as scandal was breaking over how easily Ye’s entourage was able to access the facility — there were no security guards at the entry point to the former president’s home.

The gate stood open.

 

i read this article.  waited about 15 minutes.  then read it again.

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i read this article.  waited about 15 minutes.  then read it again.

This gives me hope…

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Visited on a day late last month — four months after the club was searched by the FBI, and just as scandal was breaking over how easily Ye’s entourage was able to access the facility — there were no security guards at the entry point to the former president’s home.

The gate stood open.

 

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5 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

This motherfucker should hang from a yardarm but he is the odds-on favorite to be the GOP nominee in 24.

I know better than to post in this forum because I don’t think the way most here do.

BUT, you are wrong about 2024.

Look, I’m a republican and voted for Trump. I liked a lot of the policies that he implemented. I don’t want to debate those here, that’s not why I’m posting.

To your point - Trump is toast among virtually every republican that I know, which is a big percentage of everyone in my orbit. He’s lost all goodwill that he ever had.

We don’t want to deal with all of his bullshit anymore. I think that is going to be reflected in national polling too. He doesn’t know it yet, but he is done.

Of course, you probably know this, but Desantis is going to be the guy everyone rallies behind.

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17 minutes ago, Victor Lazlo said:

I know better than to post in this forum because I don’t think the way most here do.

BUT, you are wrong about 2024.

Look, I’m a republican and voted for Trump. I liked a lot of the policies that he implemented. I don’t want to debate those here, that’s not why I’m posting.

To your point - Trump is toast among virtually every republican that I know, which is a big percentage of everyone in my orbit. He’s lost all goodwill that he ever had.

We don’t want to deal with all of his bullshit anymore. I think that is going to be reflected in national polling too. He doesn’t know it yet, but he is done.

Of course, you probably know this, but Desantis is going to be the guy everyone rallies behind.

Only if he emulates all the despicable traits and policies of Trump. Desantis is the great hope of what is now the mainstream GOP. If you are encouraged by him, I wonder what the "bullshit" that turned you off on Trump actually is.

Seriously, what is the bullshit you're talking about? I get the feeling that you may just be disgusted because Trump destroyed his viability to continue carrying the flag for the hateful right. 

I liked a lot of the policies that he implemented. I don’t want to debate those here, that’s not why I’m posting.

You like his substance such as it is, but you're sick of his bullshit. Sounds like the bullshit is comprised of only superficial aspects of Trump. 

I know you don't want to discuss policy, but where do you stand with the Jan. 6 insurrection? Where do you stand with elected GOPs obstructing the investigation of that day and shamelessly lying about the events? Where do you stand with GOPs refusing to be interviewed by the committee?

What in the world makes Desantis palatable? Do you believe gays are grooming children for sex in our elementary schools? Do you believe the Covid vaccines were part of some inexplicable evil conspiracy? Do you think lying to aliens awaiting word of their standing in order to transport them to unsuspecting communities is a valid policy? How is DeSantis substantially different from Trump?

I haven't called you a name. I haven't written in a snide or derogatory fashion. It appears to me that if you have hope for Desantis then you are a MAGA Republican. Am I wrong?

 

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14 minutes ago, Victor Lazlo said:

Okay, My apologies for coming on here and accidentally stirring things up. I was attempting to just explain to Diggler, with a little color, that Trump is toast because I thought Diggler was convinced that Trump would get the nomination. And I believe he is wrong. That’s all.

Donald Trump is the favorite until he loses some primaries. No anecdotal evidence will change that. Tons of polls said he had no chance the first time around. They were wrong. Apparently racist pieces of shit don’t answer polling surveys. Desantis is leading the polls now, but let’s see how he does once Trump starts tearing him apart by tweet. 

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