A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[aggie08 21312]

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

The entire world erupted in celebration when he lost reelection, like it was the end of Return of the Jedi. 

It's almost like the rest of the world has more experience with authoritarian rule built around personality cults, and breathed a collective sigh of relief that we stopped ours in its tracks.

...only we have 70M American voters who want to run it back.

[YGIFS 19448]

15 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

It's almost like the rest of the world has more experience with authoritarian rule built around personality cults, and breathed a collective sigh of relief that we stopped ours in its tracks.

...only we have 70M American voters who want to run it back.

Matt Dowd did a pretty comprehensive, albeit hindsight, review of this.  I think he's holding onto it, since he's not a professional data expert, until around the Nov. 2024 elections.  His breakdown so far is approx this:

-About 25 million of Trump voters were/are straight ticket "R" voters.  He could murder somebody, rape Ivanka, and tell America exactly how much Eastern European cum Melania has guzzled over the years, and they're still gonna pull the lever for whomever is as the top of the ticket in 2024.

-About 25 million of Trump voters have made a tacit deal with the devil.  They want predictability for taxes, regulations, and judicial appointments.  They're actually a relatively nuanced group despite the en masse critique of them on here.  His third go-around with this group may not as easily-mapped as many of you think.  

-And about 25 million of Trump voters were the exact group that Cambridge Analytica/Drogin/Brexit/Et.Al.  brought out of the woodwork.  Decades of the GOP trying to expand the party's appeal proved futile.  This other faction was accidentally tapped into, bringing out rare/never voters from the woodwork with the promise of finally being validated as Americans and politically viable despite they themselves, being disgusting pieces of human shit. But they got their seat at the table of power, were told they have worth, and now will not go away until they are dead or on trains.  The real question for 2024 is what does this group do in 7 key states during primary season.  Do you let them nominate Trump so he can lose again in 2024 and bitch incessantly until his death in 2029?  Or do try and quash their efforts and let somebody else who is slightly less insane win the GOP nomination and roll the dice in a general in 2024?  

Make no mistake, those are your choices.  While this forum is hand-wringing about Biden's age and Kamala's approval numbers, there is but one decision before you---be an adult, hug your children, say a prayer, and help us fix it so that these people end up murdering one another in droves.  We're not suggesting enough of these people will die to swing an entire electoral college.  What I am proposing is enough of these people can shoot it out intra-party style, so that enough people get sick to their stomach and stay home, and enough on the other side are inspired to turn out and vote this madness out once and for all.  

They're not going to destroy themselves within like we thought two years ago.  They're going to need some help.  Not gaslighting.  Something altogether more inciting.  I don't know quite what it looks like yet, I just know it's going to be glorious.

[nbmishoid 923]

Almost there…

[Gatorubet 30024]

We know Trump is a Russian asset.   I pray that one of the investigations can confirm how much they have funded him.   If Uncle Joe can hammer the Russian rape rooms and torture rooms and stolen children and bombing of hospitals and apartments- showing clips of the TV heads saying to drown babies - he can shove Trump’s “I’m stopping Ukraine aid” stance up his loathsome ass. 

Ukraine and abortion might be the flag burning and gay marriage wedge issues favoring the Dems - for a change. And while rank and file GOP will never support abortion (unless it’s their daughter), I think a bunch will not vote anti-Ukrainian. 

[atomheartbevo 89304]

51 minutes ago, YGIFS said:

-And about 25 million of Trump voters were the exact group that Cambridge Analytica/Drogin/Brexit/Et.Al.  brought out of the woodwork.  Decades of the GOP trying to expand the party's appeal proved futile.  This other faction was accidentally tapped into, bringing out rare/never voters from the woodwork with the promise of finally being validated as Americans and politically viable despite they themselves, being disgusting pieces of human shit. But they got their seat at the table of power, were told they have worth, and now will not go away until they are dead or on trains.  The real question for 2024 is what does this group do in 7 key states during primary season.  Do you let them nominate Trump so he can lose again in 2024 and bitch incessantly until his death in 2029?  Or do try and quash their efforts and let somebody else who is slightly less insane win the GOP nomination and roll the dice in a general in 2024?  

They will stay home if Trump doesn't get the nod, or go third party/burn it down mode if he starts up a MAGA party.

The GOP needs him to get the nod, and he probably will, because by the time we reach the primaries, he will have utterly destroyed DeSantis, to the point where the MAGA crowd will see him and Biden as being the same thing.

 

[tx 3 putt 75964]

 

[Pato del Muerto 52248]

1 hour ago, YGIFS said:

Or do try and quash their efforts and let somebody else who is slightly less insane win the GOP nomination and roll the dice in a general in 2024?  

I’d prefer he lose the primary. The fight over the validity of the vote can happen entirely within the party, and then a lot of those last group won’t vote in the general. 
and I think trump is the single worst person that could be potus, so literally any other candidate would be preferable   based on that assessment of trump.  

but good luck beating him in the primary. 

[Gil Bang 25845]

21 hours ago, F250 said:

Too skinny. I'm pretty sure Spit That Blood was shaped like an apple.

Whatever her shape, I hope she's suffering from a painful cancer of the cunt and asshole.

Edited March 26, 2023 by Gil Bang

[tx 3 putt 75964]

It is on !!!

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13531]

23 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

It is on !!!

 

“Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it,” Trump (@realDonaldTrump) tweeted. “That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-cruz-idUSKCN0VC1Z6

[lemonlime 5503]

Unless he dies, Trump will be the nominee.  And regardless of whether he is the 47th president, he will "win" the election, and bring the country down with him.

[mdmost 42699]

It's just amazing to me that we really are this stupid of a country that this fuckface has the possibility of being president again. After all we went through with him and January 6th, it's still a stark possibility. That really says something about how terrible things have become. The best we can hope for is DeSantis is an actual threat to Trump. He's all the things Trump is not. Yet these fuckheads still want Trump. What the fuck happened to the GOP? 

[Irwin F Fletcher 3550]

I look forward to publicly shaming everyone who votes for Trump to be the GOP nominee.

I will be a true piece of shit to those who vote for Trump. I will enjoy every bit of it as well. Fuck Trump. Fuck those who chose to prop him up as their leader.

[BevoAbyss 2048]

3 hours ago, YGIFS said:

About 25 million of Trump voters have made a tacit deal with the devil.  They want predictability for taxes, regulations, and judicial appointments.  They're actually a relatively nuanced group

With all due respect, this 25 million is not that nuanced. They want predictability for fascists and theocrats on on Supreme Court and federal courts. If they did not want that, they would not vote for Trump. If they just want lower taxes and ignore the fascist judicial appointments, then they are enabling fascism and, in fact, are okay with fascism/theocracy.

Fact is, 40-50% of America is ready for a fascist/theocratic state. Time's up for denial. 

[YGIFS 19448]

2 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

With all due respect, this 25 million is not that nuanced. They want predictability for fascists and theocrats on on Supreme Court and federal courts. If they did not want that, they would not vote for Trump. If they just want lower taxes and ignore the fascist judicial appointments, then they are enabling fascism and, in fact, are okay with fascism/theocracy.

Fact is, 40-50% of America is ready for a fascist/theocratic state. Time's up for denial. 

[YGIFS 19448]

Fair point.  And I can't quote.  But we forget it's 35% of the adult population.  25mm of which is predictable.  25mm are assuaged dependent on political messaging.  the rest are in need of evacuation. 

[Satchel 6908]

I think many of the more reasonable people who support the Maga movement do so knowing full well that while they may not personally benefit from Maga policies, the protection of the dominant culture requires their uncritical support.

[cactusflinthead 27588]

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13531]

2 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

[Superhero 8700]

3 hours ago, henrygandorf said:

i want him to get the nomination and then lose the election again.

then i want him to start talking about 2028. i want him to fuck the gop every day until he dies.

The earlier he dies, the earlier the basket of deplorables lose their standard bearer of racist, anti-educational thoughts.

That is assuming someone worse doesn’t step up. 

[TwiceHorn 31097]

7 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

He's all fucked up about that, too.  The gravamen of the election violation is that a contribution is made of money or property that is for the primary benefit of a candidate.  If it's personal funds, it must be reported.  If it's a corporate contribution, which was how it was described in the Cohen information, then it must be reported and less than certain limits.

The thing is, though, this isn't supposedly going to be about the election violation per se, it's going to be about falsifying business records.  If the purpose or intention of the falsified business records was to commit another crime, it becomes a felony rather than a misdemeanor.  

As I see it, the records were falsified to hide the nature of the payment, which probably includes hiding it from the FEC, where it would need to be reported and then become public, which is itself a minor crime.  But I'm not sure to what extent Bragg & Co. are going to need to prove the crime for which the records were falsified.

Edited March 27, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[WhatTheBuck 28696]

2 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

None of them are so shameless, and none of them have such cult followings, that they would actually try to become a dictator.

Maybe not before Trump.  It Trump changed things. DeSantis is showing his authoritarian tendencies down in Florida right now. I don’t doubt that he’d continue to emulate Trump in that regard if he ever reaches the White House. I’m sure there are others who would do the same.

[brakeman 28202]

[Beau Vine 53878]

2 hours ago, Satchel said:

I think many of the more reasonable people who support the Maga movement

[atomheartbevo 89304]

51 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

I agree Desantis has done some bullshit in Florida, targeting people/businesses based on their politics, exceeding his authority to score points with the stupid base, etc.  It’s bad.  But he couldn’t pull off outright throwing out election results or staying in office beyond his term limits like Putin or Hugo Chavez or somebody like that.  Trump could, and those lunatics would back him up. 

I haven't seen any video clips of it, but people on social media are saying that when Trump attacked DeSantis, it got pretty quiet until he moved on to another topic/person.

I don't know if Trump is self-aware enough to realize the importance of that (if true), but if it's true, it could  mean some Trumpers will switch their allegiance to DeSantis should he get the nomination, no matter how much he attacks DeSantis. 

And unlike Trump who is out of office, DeSantis is walking the walk and talking the talk as far as going after people and corporations the MAGA crowd hate, and he is trying to punish those people and companies, and regardless of the implications (in terms of fascism), that plays well and will be something he can run on.

All DeSantis has to do is throw out comments at rallies or conventions like "Look, I'm not here to talk about President Trump paying off a porn star, or what he's been doing since he left office, or what he's done with the hundreds of millions that people have donated to him since he left office, and I'm just not going to answer questions about those things. And I'm not going to address his spending a lot of time on social media melting down about whatever bothers him. Instead, I'm going to tell you how I've actually been fighting the culture war in Florida, and how I will fight the culture war from the White House, and I'm going to talk about my track record over the past two few years and that rather than whining on social media, I've actually been working with the Florida legislature to make the libtards cry and beg and plead with me."

If you look at what DeSantis has done since Trump lost in 2020, it's pretty clear that he's been trying to build up a track record that he can run on, to show that while Trump sits around eating Big Macs and bitching on truth.social, DeSantis has actually been doing things.

[Gatorubet 30024]

55 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

[TwiceHorn 31097]

3 hours ago, Satchel said:

I think many of the more reasonable people who support the Maga movement do so knowing full well that while they may not personally benefit from Maga policies, the protection of the dominant culture requires their uncritical support.

Nah.  People that want to protect the dominant culture are by definition not reasonable.  Shit, I'm an insensitive white dude, but I have no illusions about "protecting the culture," i.e. white supremacy.  I laugh sometimes at the excesses of "wokeness" but think being diverse and culturally inclusive is important to the survival of the nation.  I ain't that special.

[Satchel 6908]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Nah.  People that want to protect the dominant culture are by definition not reasonable.  Shit, I'm an insensitive white dude, but I have no illusions about "protecting the culture," i.e. white supremacy.  I laugh sometimes at the excesses of "wokeness" but think being diverse and culturally inclusive is important to the survival of the nation.  I ain't that special.

Millions of the 73 million who voted for Trump in the last election were not co-signing his evil ways as much as they were responding to the fear engendered by demographic shifts that signaled in their minds, a reordering of class, culture, politics and privilege.

[atomheartbevo 89304]

Referencing what I mentioned earlier, that the crowd was silent when bitched about DeSantis

https://www.mediaite.com/politics/trump-rally-crowd-eerily-quiet-as-he-acts-out-ron-desantis-crying-and-begging-for-his-help/

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GOP primary candidate Donald Trump held a campaign rally in Texas on Saturday and attacked Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis at length, as he has spent many weeks doing, but his own MAGA crowd was noticeably under-enthused by the remarks.

Trump’s mocking impersonations have always been a big hit at his rallies, and are a staple of his speeches. But when in Waco he said that DeSantis came to him with “tears in his eyes” begging for an endorsement, the lack of reaction in the crowd was in a way much louder than any raucous laughter at the mocking of Democrats like Hillary Clinton or Andrew Gillum.

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In his build-up, Trump trashed DeSantis over his congressional record on programs like Social Security and Medicare. The ex-president whose administration locked down the entire country during the covid pandemic then bashed the early re-opening Florida governor for his record on covid. He also said that DeSantis is “not good” on crime, and said his poll numbers are dropping.

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Those typical Trump applause lines got virtually no response at all from the crowd. He stirred up some positive reaction by describing himself as a “loyalist.”

When he then said DeSantis came to him “tears in his eyes,” while at “almost nothing” in the polls, there was some light, scattered chuckling somewhat audible.

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“So he came, and he really wanted, I said, ‘You can’t win, can you? How do you, can win?'” Trump said. Then he acted out DeSantis begging him. “‘Sir, if you endorse me, I’ll win. Please, Please, sir, endorse me,'” Trump said, performing in a crying, pleading voice.

Again, there was some faint laughter in the crowd, but it was mostly quiet. Exceedingly quiet in comparison to all of Trump’s other applause and laugh lines in the speech.

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Matt Gaetz took some shots at DeSantis at the rally (not to mention Nikki Haley), as did MyPillow’s Mike Lindell. But this was by no means a big sell to the crowd. Compared to how Trump’s crowd normally reacts to his bits, the reaction to his mocking DeSantis was practically dead air.

 

[Captainant 27251]

53 minutes ago, Satchel said:

Millions of the 73 million who voted for Trump in the last election were not co-signing his evil ways as much as they were responding to the fear engendered by demographic shifts that signaled in their minds, a reordering of class, culture, politics and privilege.

It's the caustic effect of a hierarchical world view. Seeing others do better means that you may lose your spot, and you can't have that. It's all to drive fear. That Woodward book titled "Fear" was published in 2018! Fear is what fuels the republican party

[TwiceHorn 31097]

7 hours ago, Satchel said:

Millions of the 73 million who voted for Trump in the last election were not co-signing his evil ways as much as they were responding to the fear engendered by demographic shifts that signaled in their minds, a reordering of class, culture, politics and privilege.

Oh I don't disagree.  But even as a long-time Republican, I couldn't stomach that at all.  Which is why I am not anymore.  And I am the epitome of reasonable. 😛

I was only taking issue with your characterization of them as reasonable.

I suppose you are permitted to fear change, but to vote for people that implement policies that subjugate others to indulge that fear is, in my opinion, co-signing evil.  The banality of evil indeed.

Edited March 27, 2023 by TwiceHorn

[WhatTheBuck 28696]

7 hours ago, Satchel said:

Millions of the 73 million who voted for Trump in the last election were not co-signing his evil ways as much as they were responding to the fear engendered by demographic shifts that signaled in their minds, a reordering of class, culture, politics and privilege.

And freaking the fuck out because we elected a black President. 

[WhatTheBuck 28696]

9 hours ago, longhornmatt said:

I agree Desantis has done some bullshit in Florida, targeting people/businesses based on their politics, exceeding his authority to score points with the stupid base, etc.  It’s bad.  But he couldn’t pull off outright throwing out election results or staying in office beyond his term limits like Putin or Hugo Chavez or somebody like that.  Trump could, and those lunatics would back him up. 

I don’t think Trumpism is going to die with Trump. The Republican establishment has embraced his authoritarian bent. They’ve been infected. They’re poised to do whatever it takes to hold onto power when they get it back. If it’s not Trump, they’ll fall in line behind the next guy. 

[Francisco 2.0 32290]

 

 

 

[Gatorubet 30024]

9 hours ago, Satchel said:

Millions of the 73 million who voted for Trump in the last election were not co-signing his evil ways as much as they were responding to the fear engendered by demographic shifts that signaled in their minds, a reordering of class, culture, politics and privilege.

So a Lynch mob is not evil, they are just responding to the fear engendered by a possible criminal in their community.  I bet the hanged guy feels much better now.

[Beau Vine 53878]

9 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

GOP primary candidate Donald Trump held a campaign rally in Texas on Saturday and attacked Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis at length, as he has spent many weeks doing, but his own MAGA crowd was noticeably under-enthused by the remarks.

I guarantee you that at least 80% of them don't have any clue what "Sanctimonious" means, so Big Dumb Don kinda whiffed on the nickname.

Edited March 27, 2023 by Beau Vine

[tx 3 putt 75964]

[TheStoicPaisano 9904]

“Conducted by catturd” Nice!

 

[Satchel 6908]

5 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

“Conducted by catturd” Nice!

Ooh good. This means the GOP nominee will have to wear an ankle bracelet, while gearing up to lose another national election.

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26192]

Leading public Intellectuals by decade
70's - William F Buckley
80's - George Will

90's - Rush Limbaugh
2000's - Ann Coulter

2010's  - Ben Shapiro
2020's - Catturd

Edited March 27, 2023 by Bozo_Casanova

[High Plains Drifter 10961]

 

I could post this in any number of threads, but after the catshit poll, I think it goes here:

 

 

[Ghost of LL 15327]

2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I could post this in any number of threads, but after the catshit poll, I think it goes here:

 

 

I think there's a lot of truth to that.  But it's an interesting question.  In a multi-party system, ideology is clearly at the center of partisan identification.  But in a two-party system, it can play a somewhat less significant role.  But the GQP seems to be testing the hypothesis that it can play no role whatsoever.

[TwiceHorn 31097]

So, David Packer of the National Enquirer testified to the NY grand jury today.  Recall that NE "caught and killed" the Karen McDougal story, was fined by FEC, and entered into a non-prosecution agreement to give evidence on the transaction, principally against Cohen.

As far as we know, Trump didn't pay for that, because Packer is a personal friend.

I'd be willing to bet that at some point Trump and Packer personally discussed this and Trump expressed that it was to help his campaign, thus evidencing a) his knowledge of the scheme(s) and b) his intention to aid his campaign not keep it from Melania, two things that would likely need to be proven to hook up Trump on a felony falsification of documents charge.

I bet they also discussed whether NE should approach Daniels for the same reason.

That type of evidence would be harder to come by in the Daniels case because it seems to have been negotiated at arm's length by attorneys, without expressions of intention and without Trump's personal involvement.  So Cohen is probably the sole source of evidence of Trump's knowledge and intentions and unfortunately has credibility problems.

This may be getting good.

[Captainant 27251]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, David Packer of the National Enquirer testified to the NY grand jury today.  Recall that NE "caught and killed" the Karen McDougal story, was fined by FEC, and entered into a non-prosecution agreement to give evidence on the transaction, principally against Cohen.

As far as we know, Trump didn't pay for that, because Packer is a personal friend.

I'd be willing to bet that at some point Trump and Packer personally discussed this and Trump expressed that it was to help his campaign, thus evidencing a) his knowledge of the scheme(s) and b) his intention to aid his campaign not keep it from Melania, two things that would likely need to be proven to hook up Trump on a felony falsification of documents charge.

I bet they also discussed whether NE should approach Daniels for the same reason.

That type of evidence would be harder to come by in the Daniels case because it seems to have been negotiated at arm's length by attorneys, without expressions of intention and without Trump's personal involvement.  So Cohen is probably the sole source of evidence of Trump's knowledge and intentions and unfortunately has credibility problems.

This may be getting good.

Aaaaaaaany minute now....

[TwiceHorn 31097]

33 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Aaaaaaaany minute now....

So, either my lawsplaining is supporting fascists or ignoring them or is some kind of naivete?

It has been pointed out on occasion that these charges may be somewhat contrived and difficult to convict.  Packer might make it interesting.  He has no privileges to hide behind, can't invoke the 5th because of the non-prosecution agreement and probably also limitations.  Of course, he'd have to be truthful, so there's that.

[Blotto 23366]

58 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Of course, he'd have to be truthful, so there's that.

Ah well, nevertheless....

[tx 3 putt 75964]

Take notes ….

 

[tx 3 putt 75964]

Fucking catturd lover ….

 

[tx 3 putt 75964]

Anyone that admits to being a supporter of this socio-path, needs a bullet to their head. The world would be a better place 

 

Edited March 28, 2023 by tx 3 putt

[Dahobbs 17410]

21 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t think Trumpism is going to die with Trump.  

We will not know until we try.