A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[atomheartbevo 89465]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

This thread sucks. 

People are trying to fill in for Lobo?

[Underdog 28459]

Strident academia/bookworms taken over. 

[Steamboat1874 4032]

16 hours ago, G650 said:

 

 

Willie Nile is damn good.

Gets a lot of airplay on Little Steven’s Underground Garage.

[G650 14116]

1 minute ago, Steamboat1874 said:

Willie Nile is damn good.

Gets a lot of airplay on Little Steven’s Underground Garage.

Criminally underrated

[F250 28710]

20 hours ago, Dnaguy said:

Any suggestions from said reading list for us STEM guys who like to pretend we are learned?

STEM guy here, computer science. As a student, I was really into The Lost and Beat Generation writers, and Hunter S. Thompson. I always found literature and the humanities in general to be a great mental escape from the drudgery of technical work.

[texasdago 7553]

[Eskimohorn 5616]

Dotard hates this part of the thread with all the bookfag talk

[Hugo Stiglitz 23364]

Octavia Butler’s “Parable of the Sower” is an excellent read.  It’s a dystopian story that takes place in LA between the years 2024-2027 where everyone has guns, there’s a massive poverty problem, a water shortage, and Christian fundamentalism is on the rise.  The fictional character that wins the presidency in 2024 wins on a platform of privatizing the space industry, abolishing the minimum wage, and rolling back environmental regulations. 
 

The book was written in 1993 and Octavia Butler died in 2006. 

[tx ind 7004]

fucking literature talk not going away

[Brisketexan 104720]

44 minutes ago, tx ind said:

fucking literature talk not going away

Wait...did you say FUCKING literature?

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1291]

[TeeDubya 3358]

This is amazing….

 

[Shut up Lou Holtz 2011]

5 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...did you say FUCKING literature?

Fuck yes. I would have read way more books in high school if we had this version of the scarlet letter 

[BamaATL 16592]

1 hour ago, Shut up Lou Holtz said:

Fuck yes. I would have read way more books in high school if we had this version of the scarlet letter 

At the rate we are going, 100 years from now Danielle Steel novels will be held with the same esteem of Herman Melville.  

[Eskimohorn 5616]

Wait...did you say FUCKING literature?

Book Review

https://readasaurus.blogspot.com/2021/11/wtafw-taken-by-t-rex-by-christie-sims.html?m=1

This book will forever go down in history as "that story where the heroine fucks the dinosaur by folding herself up into a human-sized vagina for his two-foot long peen." Hilarious but not worth nearly $3.

[atomheartbevo 89465]

7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Wait...did you say FUCKING literature?

 

Thanks for posting that, I have a sequel hear Christie Sims is coming out with a sequel involving a triceratops.  Just picture Jason Segel as a triceratops trying to fuck a human woman.

[Pods 7534]

If you want to know about dinosaur dicks, Sarah Werning is who you call. 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/we-asked-a-paleontologist-which-dinosaur-had-the-biggest-dick-924/

 

 

 

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19152]

God there's times I absolutely hate you mother fuckers.

[Underdog 28459]

No you don’t. 

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

6 hours ago, Pods said:

If you want to know about dinosaur dicks, Sarah Werning is who you call. 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/we-asked-a-paleontologist-which-dinosaur-had-the-biggest-dick-924/

 

 

 

 

Damn you!  I just spent 5 minutes reading about dinosaur dongs.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13554]

Was there anything more unintimidating than a sleestack? 

[Macanudo 12935]

8 hours ago, BamaATL said:

At the rate we are going, 100 years from now Danielle Steel novels will be held with the same esteem of Herman Melville.  

Um...  it won't take 100 years.

[Hermanator 6965]

With all the new AI stuff is it too much to ask for a option to automatically filter out every post that doesn't pertain to the topic of the thread?

23 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

People are trying to fill in for Lobo?

Good God please stop. I'm sure he was a great guy but couldn't stand his posting style, and having to scroll through long post after long post got old. He was very very close to being the first person I put on ignore, not because I didn't like him, but just for convenience. 

[TwiceHorn 31311]

I think here's the fundamental problem with Trumpism.  Rightly or wrongly, we have a lot of people that feel a) disenfranchised or marginalized in today's society and b) powerless to change that.

I'd say a major driver of that is wealth and income inequality, which has been increasing, not coincidentally, with the rise of what underlies Trumpism:  a fundamental mistrust of government and society.

It also coincides with "deregulation" and concepts like "trickle down" economics. 

[Brisketexan 104720]

I think here's the fundamental problem with Trumpism.  Rightly or wrongly, we have a lot of people that feel a) disenfranchised or marginalized in today's society and b) powerless to change that.
I'd say a major driver of that is wealth and income inequality, which has been increasing, not coincidentally, with the rise of what underlies Trumpism:  a fundamental mistrust of government and society.
It also coincides with "deregulation" and concepts like "trickle down" economics. 

TLDR; desperate idiots continue to vote against their interests because they are easily distracted/fooled.

[Pato del Muerto 52356]

8 hours ago, Pods said:

If you want to know about dinosaur dicks, Sarah Werning is who you call. 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/we-asked-a-paleontologist-which-dinosaur-had-the-biggest-dick-924/

 

 

 

 

You’re just being modest 

[Pato del Muerto 52356]

37 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

With all the new AI stuff is it too much to ask for a option to automatically filter out every post that doesn't pertain to the topic of the thread?

Good God please stop. I'm sure he was a great guy but couldn't stand his posting style, and having to scroll through long post after long post got old. He was very very close to being the first person I put on ignore, not because I didn't like him, but just for convenience. 

The first person I put on ignore was you guessed it Frank Stallone. 

[BevoAbyss 2057]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'd say a major driver of that is wealth and income inequality, which has been increasing, not coincidentally, with the rise of what underlies Trumpism:  a fundamental mistrust of government and society.

Let's correct that.

"... a major driver of that is Christianity and intellectual inequality, which has been increasing, not coincidentally with the rise Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism, which is what underlies Trumpism -- and generates a fundamental mistrust of government and secular society. .....

And generates mistrust and disdain for that which makes up the rest of non-Christian society -- like facts, evidence, logic, academia and education, science and scientists, doctors and vaccines, intellectualism and philosophy, education and expertise, art and artists, non-fascist technology billionaires (like Bill Gates), economics and the free market, and anyone or any institution in society that is secular and not religious."

It ain't all about economics.

But now you add on "trickle down" etc.

 

Edited September 28 by BevoAbyss

[abuelo gringo 321]

My wife and I took Life and Literature in summer of 1969.  The professor was named Watson.  Much different books.  We read Dobie's Coronado's Children, Andy Adams' Log of a Cowboy, Charlie Siringo's A Texas Cow Boy or Fifteen Years on the Hurricane Deck of a Spanish Pony, Katherine Porter's Pale Horse, Pale Rider, and a collection of stories and poems by Eugene Manlove Rhodes.  I may have forgotten one or more.  I know we read a book about a cattle drive that he characterized as popular cowboy fiction to contrast with the better written pieces.

Unfortunately, too late for Dobie and too early for Graham.  Still enjoyed the class.

[TwiceHorn 31311]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

TLDR; desperate idiots continue to vote against their interests because they are easily distracted/fooled.

Well, sure, it's the "what the hell are we going to do with the morons" question.  I didn't really finish my thought, but their rise is directly related to what we have wrought by ineffective, purposely in many cases, government.

If we can ever undo what the last 30 years or so have wrought, we can go a long way to eliminating this shit.  Starting with reducing income and wealth inequality.

[gernblansten 3189]

As a non-crazy person, I've always been against book burning, but I'm dreaming of a way to burn book posts in this thread.

Except for the dinosaur erotica, obviously.

[Goredho 17355]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think here's the fundamental problem with Trumpism.  Rightly or wrongly, we have a lot of people that feel a) disenfranchised or marginalized in today's society and b) powerless to change that.

I'd say a major driver of that is wealth and income inequality, which has been increasing, not coincidentally, with the rise of what underlies Trumpism:  a fundamental mistrust of government and society.

It also coincides with "deregulation" and concepts like "trickle down" economics. 

Those people and that dynamic existed before Trump.  He just did the cookie trick to tap the pool of disaffected citizens as a voting resource.  But you are right, it’s that context that allows someone like Trump to rise.

I think the why to that is as simple as this:

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New census population projections confirm the importance of racial minorities as the primary demographic engine of the nation’s future growth, countering an aging, slow-growing and soon to be declining white population. The new statistics project that the nation will become “minority white” in 2045.

The shift is the result of two trends. First, between 2018 and 2060, gains will continue in the combined racial minority populations, growing by 74 percent. Second, during this time frame, the aging white population will see a modest immediate gain through 2024, and then experience a long-term decline through 2060, a consequence of more deaths than births (see Figure 2).

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/the-us-will-become-minority-white-in-2045-census-projects/

There is a reason conservatives are conducting themselves like it’s win in 2024 or die.   Because if your goal is to enshrine minority rule for whites beyond when they become a voting minority, 2024 is the last best chance you have to do it. From this point forward, whites comprise less and less of the voting population.

These numbers started emerging in 2012 after the 2010 census.  In 2014/2015 Trump began his political rise.  Those were also the years you saw conservatives like Jeff Flake start to opt out of future plans of the Republican Party because they were exposed to some abhorrent strategy, and when a cozy relationship between certain people in the GOP and Russia started surfacing. Why?  

Maybe it’s because Russia needed to neutralize the US as an opposition to their goals in Europe, and conservatives needed the tutelage from experts in consolidating power in a way impervious to democratic elections.  No direct evidence, but it explains a lot that is otherwise inexplicable.

[TwiceHorn 31311]

1 hour ago, BevoAbyss said:

Let's correct that.

"... a major driver of that is Christianity and intellectual inequality, which has been increasing, not coincidentally with the rise Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism, which is what underlies Trumpism -- and generates a fundamental mistrust of government and secular society. .....

And generates mistrust and disdain for that which makes up the rest of non-Christian society -- like facts, evidence, logic, academia and education, science and scientists, doctors and vaccines, intellectualism and philosophy, education and expertise, art and artists, non-fascist technology billionaires (like Bill Gates), economics and the free market, and anyone or any institution in society that is secular and not religious."

It ain't all about economics.

But now you add on "trickle down" etc.

 

Disagree. Christo fascism, like trumpism, is a community, a refuge from the perceived marginalization that drives both of them.

And the minority majority issue is reaction - - who to blame - - to the fundamental disenfranchisement/marginalization that whites and rurals perceive. 

If we can address the perceived marginalization, the morons will return to just being morons. 

[atomheartbevo 89465]

Pass this around to your MAGA relatives. It might bug them when Donnie talks about how well he knows Putin.

 

Edited September 28 by atomheartbevo

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[Red Five 40691]

Apparently Trump had a hate rally sometime last week where he said a whole bunch of absolutely batshit crazy things that the media didn't cover for some reason. Like saying that Nancy Pelosi should be prosecuted for her role in January 6th. You know, the peaceful protest where nothing bad happened. Also, that Kamala Harris "lost" 325,000 children to sex trafficking. 

[Gatorubet 30139]

6 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think here's the fundamental problem with Trumpism.  Rightly or wrongly, we have a lot of people that feel a) disenfranchised or marginalized in today's society and b) powerless to change that.

I'd say a major driver of that is wealth and income inequality, which has been increasing, not coincidentally, with the rise of what underlies Trumpism:  a fundamental mistrust of government and society.

It also coincides with "deregulation" and concepts like "trickle down" economics. 

There’s also a lot of blame to be placed on the horrible metastasized fundamentalist Christianity that America loves.  It bears a little resemblance to actual Christianity, with its prosperity gospel and hating absolutely everyone that’s not exactly “like us white evangelicals” brand.   I would argue that making voting and public policy decisions in the 21st century on the basis of interpretations of what goat herders thought was cool over 2000 years ago on the basis of what their God said between shellfish bans and menstruation tents laws is really not in society’s best interest.

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1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Apparently Trump had a hate rally sometime last week where he said a whole bunch of absolutely batshit crazy things that the media didn't cover for some reason. Like saying that Nancy Pelosi should be prosecuted for her role in January 6th. You know, the peaceful protest where nothing bad happened. Also, that Kamala Harris "lost" 325,000 children to sex trafficking. 

 

have we seen roseann bar and trump in the same room ?

[tx ind 7004]

2 hours ago, Red Five said:

Apparently Trump had a hate rally sometime last week where he said a whole bunch of absolutely batshit crazy things that the media didn't cover for some reason. Like saying that Nancy Pelosi should be prosecuted for her role in January 6th. You know, the peaceful protest where nothing bad happened. Also, that Kamala Harris "lost" 325,000 children to sex trafficking. 

How is that different from the stuff he normally says?

[TwiceHorn 31311]

17 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

There’s also a lot of blame to be placed on the horrible metastasized fundamentalist Christianity that America loves.  It bears a little resemblance to actual Christianity, with its prosperity gospel and hating absolutely everyone that’s not exactly “like us white evangelicals” brand.   I would argue that making voting and public policy decisions in the 21st century on the basis of interpretations of what goat herders thought was cool over 2000 years ago on the basis of what their God said between shellfish bans and menstruation tents laws is really not in society’s best interest.

I think there's a bit of chicken/egg question there.  Some sects of Christianity have believed for quite some time that the solution to our national ills, whatever they may be, is a more Christian nation.  And they worked to break down the wall between church and state.

Baptists and SBC, I'm looking directly at you. 

Ironically, if they really meant a more Christ-like nation, they'd probably be right.

So these turds feel disaffected, not a valid part of society.  So they seek community.  Community in social media and Fox News.  Community in Trumpism.  Community in a certain type of church with a certain type of leader.

Trump, who has no policy positions but likes to gripe, is as willing to accept those as any other disaffected types and do this half-hearted "I'm a Christian and we're persecuted" shit.

I think if there were no fundagelical churches, we'd still have this problem.  As evidence for this proposition, I'd cite the other western democracies that are much more secular than the US and have been for some time that have similar problems and no real fundagelical churches to speak of.

Some of us (not me explicitly although I can't disagree) have been saying that if we continue to refuse to address the issues of the underclass, we'll get a revolt.   Well, we've got one, it's just not what people were expecting. It's much stupider.

Edited September 29 by TwiceHorn

[Gatorubet 30139]

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think if there were no fundagelical churches, we'd still have this problem.  As evidence for this proposition, I'd cite the other western democracies that are much more secular than the US and have been for some time that have similar problems and no real fundagelical churches to speak of.

True, like every big problem, there are multiple causes and effects.  But you do not see IVF in danger in Europe because religious leaders are telling their congregation that women need to be out of the workplace and at home having as many babies as possible, but only if brought about in sexual intercourse (the missionary position preferred)

I do not think people in Europe are voting against healthcare and support for folks on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum with the same fervor that American Christians are embracing Trumpism, and therefore lining up for policies that hurt the underclass.  I agree that Europe has some growing and worrisome anti-immigrant sentiment that can lead to ‘no benefits to immigrants’ type beliefs.  But I don’t see Europe insisting on passing laws that don’t help other native European lower class folks.    Swedes may want less Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, but they aren’t going to change the Swedish culture that is very socialist.  They sure aren’t voting to end healthcare for other Swedes In the same way American politicians - in league with evangelicals - are voting against the expansion of Medicaid, nor advocating for the end of Medicare. The far right in France is against immigration, but in no way are they trying to end state paid for vacations and pensions.   They just don’t want to share those benefits with immigrants.  That is completely different than not wanting those same benefits for your citizens who have been here a long time and have the same ethnic background as you.

I disagree that if evangelicals were not a thing that we would be facing the very same policy determinations in a secular GOP.  As to nativism and immigration - I will concede the point. But respectfully, think you underestimate the depth of the policy positions held on other issues, and their refusal to consider another side when their original position was what God said to do.   That American theology driven aspect is a wildcard that prevents even a consideration of policies when they are told they are against the will of God. 

When I talk politics with my best friend from high school and college, who married an evangelical girl and was born again and adopted the entire belief system, many of his responses to our discussion are interrupted with him saying he “can’t vote that way because he’s a Christian”.  It is a magical “I’m not even allowed to consider the thing that you’re saying” card that goes far deeper than me just trying to change an opposing views of a long time friend with facts in an open secular debate. 

You can’t end run a mindset that says “I’m a persecuted minority because my minority view is not able to make the majority believe the things that I  do.”   If you think about it separately for a moment, it is that exact repudiation of the idea of democracy that I think has a hold with evangelicals who line up with Trump.  that exactly meshes with the core tenant of Trumpism in not accepting the will of the majority on almost all issues today.  I think that is the greatest danger. 

Just my opinion, I could be totally wrong on that. 

TL;DR.   The Leg Humpers from Athens clawed back to have the lead for 13 seconds….and the losers still lost.

Edited September 29 by Gatorubet

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On 9/28/2024 at 7:15 AM, Brisketexan said:

TLDR; desperate idiots continue to vote against their interests because they are easily distracted/fooled.

Sorry to repeat myself, but their greatest interest is in being fooled.  Thus churches, religions, political radicalism, and aggy

[TwiceHorn 31311]

16 hours ago, Gatorubet said:

True, like every big problem, there are multiple causes and effects.  But you do not see IVF in danger in Europe because religious leaders are telling their congregation that women need to be out of the workplace and at home having as many babies as possible, but only if brought about in sexual intercourse (the missionary position preferred)

I do not think people in Europe are voting against healthcare and support for folks on the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum with the same fervor that American Christians are embracing Trumpism, and therefore lining up for policies that hurt the underclass.  I agree that Europe has some growing and worrisome anti-immigrant sentiment that can lead to ‘no benefits to immigrants’ type beliefs.  But I don’t see Europe insisting on passing laws that don’t help other native European lower class folks.    Swedes may want less Muslim immigrants from the Middle East, but they aren’t going to change the Swedish culture that is very socialist.  They sure aren’t voting to end healthcare for other Swedes In the same way American politicians - in league with evangelicals - are voting against the expansion of Medicaid, nor advocating for the end of Medicare. The far right in France is against immigration, but in no way are they trying to end state paid for vacations and pensions.   They just don’t want to share those benefits with immigrants.  That is completely different than not wanting those same benefits for your citizens who have been here a long time and have the same ethnic background as you.

I disagree that if evangelicals were not a thing that we would be facing the very same policy determinations in a secular GOP.  As to nativism and immigration - I will concede the point. But respectfully, think you underestimate the depth of the policy positions held on other issues, and their refusal to consider another side when their original position was what God said to do.   That American theology driven aspect is a wildcard that prevents even a consideration of policies when they are told they are against the will of God. 

When I talk politics with my best friend from high school and college, who married an evangelical girl and was born again and adopted the entire belief system, many of his responses to our discussion are interrupted with him saying he “can’t vote that way because he’s a Christian”.  It is a magical “I’m not even allowed to consider the thing that you’re saying” card that goes far deeper than me just trying to change an opposing views of a long time friend with facts in an open secular debate. 

You can’t end run a mindset that says “I’m a persecuted minority because my minority view is not able to make the majority believe the things that I  do.”   If you think about it separately for a moment, it is that exact repudiation of the idea of democracy that I think has a hold with evangelicals who line up with Trump.  that exactly meshes with the core tenant of Trumpism in not accepting the will of the majority on almost all issues today.  I think that is the greatest danger. 

Just my opinion, I could be totally wrong on that. 

TL;DR.   The Leg Humpers from Athens clawed back to have the lead for 13 seconds….and the losers still lost.

Very good point about IVF, abortion, and contraception.  That does seem to be a particularly Christian issue.

Nonetheless, the commonalities among the disaffected are such that I think the disaffectation precedes the social groupings or communities.  Social groups certainly stoke the anger and direct it in certain ways, but I'm not sure they create it.

Edited September 30 by TwiceHorn

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[pacman 7331]

Campaign finance laws are for suckers.

 

 

[tx 3 putt 76442]

how is that legal ?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33851]

20 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

how is that legal ?

because these fucks search out loopholes like fucking bloodhounds

[Red Five 40691]

Lulz, is the 3% part real?

[WhatTheBuck 28719]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

Lulz, is the 3% part real?

Probably not. It’s probably less than that. 

[tx 3 putt 76442]

11 hours ago, Red Five said:

Lulz, is the 3% part real?

 

his cut is usually 99%