A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[Js1 85527]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

the feds didn’t even go public with it. people only found out because trump made a statement. biden didn’t say shit, pelosi didn’t say shit. they may not have been in the loop. (reverse the parties and see how that lines up). 

Biden and his staff allegedly didn't even know this happened until Trump tweeted it out. (Per sauces)

Which is EXACTLY how the DOJ and FBI should operate. 

[Tuco 5077]

22 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

Would the search warrant reference the suspected crime? 

[GhostOfTomJoad 9349]

Anything he would have kept would have to be something he deemed to be of great financial value for him. As much as I'd like to think even he isn't such a deplorable asshole as to sell information vital to our national security to Putin or Xi Jiping, he's pretty much one of the 100 most pathetic, self serving beings in the history of mankind.

[aggie08 21525]

20 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The best case is that they have proof he was selling/trading classified documents to foreign countries.  That would shut up all but the most diehard trumpers.

Trump, for his many, many flaws and boundless stupidity, is really good at putting a few patsies between himself and provable crime.

Edited August 9, 2022 by aggie08

[Ghost of LL 15539]

22 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

What answer do you think they'd even accept?

I think kevwun answers that:

15 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The best case is that they have proof he was selling/trading classified documents to foreign countries.  That would shut up all but the most diehard trumpers.

That's the "best" case, isn't it?  It's not that the MAGAs would accept it.  It's that the rest of the country--which is a significant majority--would then have the facts to say "shut up you fucking morons, your guy is a traitor."

1 minute ago, Tuco said:

Would the search warrant reference the suspected crime? 

Yes--the search warrant has to identify the statute(s) that there is probable cause to believe was/were violated.

[horn4life 3783]

The one thing you need to remember is that the GOP is an unethical, dishonest, and undemocratic party now. SO... UNDERSTAND. that when Dems do something rightful, moral and legal.  The Republicans will use the rightful, moral and legal actions by Democrats to justify their own dishonest, immoral and illegal actions.

This is where we are.  The GOP as a whole is a clear and present danger to American Democracy.  That a party I used to be a member of when Reagan was president has morphed into a party based on complete and total dishonesty on most every issue I can think of is horrifying to me.  The fact that they actually believe the lies instead of the truth means we have a large mob that can be convinced of anything, regardless of facts.  And that should fucking scare the shit out of every American true patrieot in this country.

[Gil Bang 25999]

31 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I highly doubt they executed a search warrant on an ex-president over some missing papers. He also reportedly returned the boxes. I strongly suspect he either didn’t return everything or made illegal copies of top secret materials. And that the search warrant is with respect to something he did with the documents after he stole them and not do much the theft itself.

Here's what I read earlier this morning, but I can't find now:

 

He never returned the boxes.  As recently as June, investigators came to Florida, met with Trump's legal team, and were literally shown the boxes, which were located in a basement.  The DOJ wrote a letter asking that the boxes be store in a more secure fashion, so somebody added a hasp and padlock to the door.  

The shit was there, and the feds knew exactly where it was. 

[BrickHorn 18277]

1 minute ago, horn4life said:

That a party I used to be a member of when Reagan was president has morphed into a party based on complete and total dishonesty

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

it was a party based on the idea that 70% top marginal rates weren't cool, basically.  everything else revolved around that.

[Foosters 17882]

2 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I think kevwun answers that:

That's the "best" case, isn't it?  It's not that the MAGAs would accept it.  It's that the rest of the country--which is a significant majority--would then have the facts to say "shut up you fucking morons, your guy is a traitor."

Yes--the search warrant has to identify the statute(s) that there is probable cause to believe was/were violated.

If after the last year - prime time hearings laying out a criminal conspiracy, bi-monthly breaking news stories detailing his criminal acts, and a clear recording of him asking other govt officials to commit crimes - the rest of the country still needs to see proof, then we're fucked anyway.

Personally? I think JFK Jr. is in the boxes.

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

i can see him stealing a ton of highly classified papers just because of the exclusiveness of them.  it's 'neat' to show off to people that you were discussing some jason bourne shit with people on the golf course.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19142]

8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I think kevwun answers that:

That's the "best" case, isn't it?  It's not that the MAGAs would accept it.  It's that the rest of the country--which is a significant majority--would then have the facts to say "shut up you fucking morons, your guy is a traitor."

Yes--the search warrant has to identify the statute(s) that there is probable cause to believe was/were violated.

Which is probably why Trump really doesn't want to show that.

[chainsaw 9873]

The sharter makes a good point

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by chainsaw
my bad someone already posted. NSIAP though

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

30 minutes ago, kevwun said:

The best case is that they have proof he was selling/trading classified documents to foreign countries.  That would shut up all but the most diehard trumpers.

Not if it's Russia.  He can just say he was handing off info to help them investigate Biden's corruption in Ukraine and his supporters will gladly eat up the obvious bullshit and smile. 

['stache 21838]

Just now, Longhornfan1024 said:

Not if it's Russia.  He can just say he was handing off info to help them investigate Biden's corruption in Ukraine and his supporters will gladly eat up the obvious bullshit and smile. 

He doesn’t need any excuse. He’s their benevolent savior, whatever he does is great and fantastic. They can fill in whatever reasons they want if needed.

[dieucla98 2942]

He'll just sharpie over the search warrant and pass it off as fact anyways.

[Gil Bang 25999]

11 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Here's what I read earlier this morning, but I can't find now:

 

He never returned the boxes.  As recently as June, investigators came to Florida, met with Trump's legal team, and were literally shown the boxes, which were located in a basement.  The DOJ wrote a letter asking that the boxes be store in a more secure fashion, so somebody added a hasp and padlock to the door.  

The shit was there, and the feds knew exactly where it was. 

Found it:

 

The National Archives, charged with collecting and sorting presidential material, has previously said at least 15 boxes of White House records were recovered from Trump’s Mar-a-Lago resort — including some that were classified.

In early June, a handful of investigators made a rare visit to the property seeking more information about potentially classified material from Trump’s time in the White House that had been taken to Florida. The four investigators, including Jay Bratt, the chief of the counterintelligence and export control section at the Justice Department, sat down with two of Trump’s attorneys, Bobb and Evan Corcoran, according to a source present for the meeting.

At the beginning of the meeting, Trump stopped by and greeted the investigators near a dining room. After he left, without answering any questions, the investigators asked the attorneys if they could see where Trump was storing the documents. The attorneys took the investigators to the basement room where the boxes of materials were being stored, and the investigators looked around the room before eventually leaving, according to the source.

A second source said that Trump came in to say hi and made small talk but left while the attorneys spoke with investigators. The source said some of the documents shown to investigators had top secret markings.

Five days later, on June 8, Trump’s attorneys received a letter from investigators asking them to further secure the room where the documents were stored. Aides subsequently added a padlock to the room.

In April and May, aides to Trump at Mar-a-Lago were interviewed by the FBI as part of the probe into the handling of presidential records, according to a source familiar with the matter.

“It is a federal crime to remove classified documents wrongly. And so if you are filling out that affidavit and you have to list the crime, you can list that as the crime,” said Elie Honig, a former federal and state prosecutor and a CNN senior legal analyst.

Honig told CNN’s Erin Burnett on “OutFront” that the timing of the search held with the longstanding department rule not to execute politically sensitive moves within 90 days of an election.

“Today is just about 90 days out exactly from the midterms, I think maybe 91 or 92 days out. That policy, that may be a reason why they did it today because they want to stay clear of that if they’re interpreting that as a 90 day rule,” he said.

 

https://www.pe.com/2022/08/08/fbi-executes-search-warrant-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-former-president-says/

 

 

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

46 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

I highly doubt they executed a search warrant on an ex-president over some missing papers. He also reportedly returned the boxes. I strongly suspect he either didn’t return everything or made illegal copies of top secret materials. And that the search warrant is with respect to something he did with the documents after he stole them and not do much the theft itself.

I'm not the first to point this out at all.  But I keep coming back to there are multiple illegal things dude did to pick from.  We've been so inured to him getting away with it we're all speculating as to which thing they went after him for.

[henrygandorf 29194]

24 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Biden and his staff allegedly didn't even know this happened until Trump tweeted it out. (Per sauces)

Which is EXACTLY how the DOJ and FBI should operate. 

i'm stealing this.  it's mine now.

[Nivek 16979]

1 hour ago, 'stache said:

There’s no measurable amount of voters who voted for him that would ever vote against him. The only reason he lost 2020 was because they were too incompetent to shut down mail in voting during the pandemic and could only make it an issue after the fact. Republican voters are brainwashed by fake boogiemen and are trained to ignore real dangers. They promoted a violent insurrection and want to murder FBI agents on site but at least they aren’t socialists who want to tax hard working billionaires and provide healthcare to people and raise the deficit! That’s so dangerous! Like the nazis!

They are hopeless and I will laugh every time someone says “maybe they finally went too far.” There is no too far, there is no bottom. Am FBI agent is going to be murdered in the next few days, they’ll blame Hillary and Hunter Biden, or call it a sandy hook false flag. I’ve already seen some “they only needed the warrant so they could plant evidence.” There’s nothing that will change any of this. Rs good Ds bad. That’s all it is now for them. Period.

Listen.  My dad went from believing that the Jan 6th attempted coup was actually ANTIFA and now he believes it was just a demonstration.   I call that progress.  

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Nivek

[The Dog 44123]

[Chopper 17243]

August getting even better worse better

 

[Hermanator 7138]

56 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

So he is a brain-damaged child, but Scott Adams does make a point.  There's a sizeable portion of this country that really needs answers as to what's going on.

This isn't the John Wiley Price investigation (which, by the way, the Feds completely fucked up).  You can't have a big FBI raid, crack a safe, go off with truckloads full of evidence, and then just sit there and do nothing until handing down an indictment two years later.  All the MAGAs will freak the fuck out and say the search was over nothing and was just political intimidation.

And I think the DOJ knows that.

Maybe that is how they would handle a normal political-corruption case.  But this isn't a normal case.  They need to have an indictment ready to go in short order so that they can go public and explain exactly what Trump did and why a search warrant was proper.  Otherwise, this MAGA shit is just going to metastasize.  

 

28 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I think kevwun answers that:

That's the "best" case, isn't it?  It's not that the MAGAs would accept it.  It's that the rest of the country--which is a significant majority--would then have the facts to say "shut up you fucking morons, your guy is a traitor."

Yes--the search warrant has to identify the statute(s) that there is probable cause to believe was/were violated.

What is this "rest of the country" you speak of? The fucker attempted to overthrow the government and establish himself as a dictator, and congress just went through tons of evidence showing he directed it and did nothing to stop it. Nothing can be a bigger threat to the US way than that. Battle lines have been drawn and there's no "undecided" anymore. People who don't care after that won't ever care. 

[Chopper 17243]

4 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Listen.  My dad went from believing that the Jan 6th attempted coup was actually ANTIFA and now he believes it was just a demonstration.   I call that progress.  

 

Make him watch the short documentary showing exactly how the militant wing of the GQP invaded the Capitol.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/proud-boys-jan-6.html

[Horndog 2228]

31 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Here's what I read earlier this morning, but I can't find now:

 

He never returned the boxes.  As recently as June, investigators came to Florida, met with Trump's legal team, and were literally shown the boxes, which were located in a basement.  The DOJ wrote a letter asking that the boxes be store in a more secure fashion, so somebody added a hasp and padlock to the door.  

The shit was there, and the feds knew exactly where it was. 

15 boxes of documents were returned and indexed. The implication is that there were more. There are reports that in June the agents saw records that were marked as top secret.

['stache 21838]

3 minutes ago, Hermanator said:

 

What is this "rest of the country" you speak of? The fucker attempted to overthrow the government and establish himself as a dictator, and congress just went through tons of evidence showing he directed it and did nothing to stop it. Nothing can be a bigger threat to the US way than that. Battle lines have been drawn and there's no "undecided" anymore. People who don't care after that won't ever care. 

This guy gets it. Remember, they might have tried to overthrow the government and overturn free and fair elections and they are going to murder an FBI agent or two in the next few weeks, but the alternative is "SOCALISM!!! EHRMAGERD LIKE USSR AND THE NAZIS!!" That's worse to them, because they are morons and have been brainwashed to ignore what the left's positions actually are and what they are intended to accomplish. It's just "SOCIALISM" oh and the deficit that always falls under democrats and rises under republicans, but they are fully convinced it's the other way around, and that the federal budget is like your family checkbook. It's over guys, like conference realignmen, I just want to see what's next for us. 

[Chopper 17243]

34 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Here's what I read earlier this morning, but I can't find now:

 

He never returned the boxes.  As recently as June, investigators came to Florida, met with Trump's legal team, and were literally shown the boxes, which were located in a basement.  The DOJ wrote a letter asking that the boxes be store in a more secure fashion, so somebody added a hasp and padlock to the door.  

The shit was there, and the feds knew exactly where it was. 

One of the four people from the DOJ who was present in June at Drumpf's residence for the meeting you reference was Jay Bratt, the Director of DOJ's Counterintelligence & Export Control Section. They investigate Espionage. That's very likely the subject matter of the investigation - not merely stolen or withheld documents.

[chainsaw 9873]

Fox and the right wing have no sense of strategery. They are going to look so stupid if this turns out to be a bigger scandal. All of them are on-record trying to run interference.

[ConferenceRoom 6145]

 

[chainsaw 9873]

3 minutes ago, Chopper said:

One of the four people from the DOJ who was present in June at Drumpf's residence for the meeting you reference was Jay Bratt, the Director of DOJ's Counterintelligence & Export Control Section. They investigate Espionage. That's very likely the subject matter of the investigation - not merely stolen or withheld documents.

Smart GOP money is quiet now, and Smart-With-Balls GOP money is throwing him under the bus.

[HenryJames 66160]

 

[Tuco 5077]

5 minutes ago, Horndog said:

15 boxes of documents were returned and indexed. The implication is that there were more. There are reports that in June the agents saw records that were marked as top secret.

My recollection from the Clinton story, is that is extremely difficult to get any hard copies of anything classified as Top Secret.  Basically you go into a secure room to view any documents.  Electronic docs are on a closed computer system, so no emailing, printing, flash drives, etc..  Hard copies are indexed and tracked.  

Maybe it's different for the President than for the Secretary of State, but I know a lot of people made the "top secret"claim with Clinton, and it just wasn't feasible.  I doubt Trump was able to walk out with Top Secret documents.

 

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20472]

[Bama Chick 28596]

The one thing you need to remember is that the GOP is an unethical, dishonest, and undemocratic party now. SO... UNDERSTAND. that when Dems do something rightful, moral and legal.  The Republicans will use the rightful, moral and legal actions by Democrats to justify their own dishonest, immoral and illegal actions.
This is where we are.  The GOP as a whole is a clear and present danger to American Democracy.  That a party I used to be a member of when Reagan was president has morphed into a party based on complete and total dishonesty on most every issue I can think of is horrifying to me.  The fact that they actually believe the lies instead of the truth means we have a large mob that can be convinced of anything, regardless of facts.  And that should fucking scare the shit out of every American true patrieot in this country.

Pssssst - they’ve always been lying racist shitfaces.

They just had a better and more palatable façade.

There’s a reason Ole Ronnie announced his candidacy in Philadelphia, Mississippi.

[DigglerontheHoof 21212]

7 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Dotard’s world:

[Chopper 17243]

10 minutes ago, Tuco said:

My recollection from the Clinton story, is that is extremely difficult to get any hard copies of anything classified as Top Secret.  Basically you go into a secure room to view any documents.  Electronic docs are on a closed computer system, so no emailing, printing, flash drives, etc..  Hard copies are indexed and tracked.  

Maybe it's different for the President than for the Secretary of State, but I know a lot of people made the "top secret"claim with Clinton, and it just wasn't feasible.  I doubt Trump was able to walk out with Top Secret documents.

 

 

I can't make heads or tails of your recollection. If you're referencing Hillary Clinton and the shitstorm republicans created about that, she had an email server for her use of email when she was Sec of State. A couple of the emails she received were classified at the lowest possible "secret" classification level after she had received them. edit for clarity: BUT they weren't classified when she received them and so she took no action. She had the email server at her home in CT to enable her to do her job when she wasn't in the office, she was wrong for doing so, but there was nothing nefarious about it.

In contrast there are documents (hard copies? absolutely, definitely, undoubtedly) marked at the highest level of secrecy in and out of the Oval Office all the time, nearly every day.

For more on this, the following tweet and the reporter's feed would be a good place to start.

 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Chopper

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

FBI executes search Trump on 8/8, this is clearly the beginning of the white genocide. 
 

I think it’s important to remember the consequences of not prosecuting Trump before was a literal attempted coup and insurrection. 

Edited August 9, 2022 by Hugo Stiglitz

[RomaVicta 29968]

8 minutes ago, Chopper said:

One of the four people from the DOJ who was present in June at Drumpf's residence for the meeting you reference was Jay Bratt, the Director of DOJ's Counterintelligence & Export Control Section. They investigate Espionage. That's very likely the subject matter of the investigation - not merely stolen or withheld documents.

I wrote yesterday that I didn't think the documents were evidence about Trump's various crimes. They're something he can turn into money or turn over to Vlad to lessen the Russian's tight grip on his pathetic balls. (This is the last time, right, Vlad- er, President Putin? Of course, tovarisch!)

How accessible was this basement with no padlock? Is there any reason to believe the Secret Service were obliged to guard them? I mean, if the SS admit someone to Mar-a-Lardo after checking the person out, is it difficult to sneak down to the basement and start photographing top secret documents? Trump could make an arrangment with a Russian asset to be the one who sneaks down there without Trump appearing to be directly involved.

If it's a counterintelligence investigation, I think there's reason to suspect that they knew what Trump had and could monitor what information from his cache popped up in the unsecured world. 

 

Oh, and fuck the 90 day rule in cases of national betrayal by a fucking POTUS. It's not a law. Shitbags like Trump live in that grey zone of unwritten rules and fuck everybody in the ass from those shadows.

No courtesy. No bowing to decorum. No gentleman's agreement.

Just the law. 

[tx 3 putt 77336]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Oh, the violence is coming (again), and this will absolutely be part of the trigger.

The thing is, it was ALWAYS coming.  When a huge swath of the country thinks that laws should only apply to black and brown people and such (I mean.....law enforcement has been executing search warrants in suspect's homes for.....like, forever, this isn't anything new, and MAGAs are not only unconcerned, they "back the blue!").....and then those laws are applied to THEM, the, umm, "real Americans," it is fundamentally incompatible with their worldview.  They have no choice but to resist, violently, because this means that laws apply to them and theirs.  And we can't have that.  Cops, raiding the houses of rich white people?  What is this, communist china nazi germany russia?????

 

it’ll trigger their diabetes 

[Chopper 17243]

12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

FBI executes search Trump on 8/8, this is clearly the beginning of the white genocide. 
 

I think it’s important to remember the consequences of not prosecuting Trump before was a literal attempted coup and insurrection. 

Wait...what's the significance of 8/8? I could google it but if it's what I fear it's related to, I don't want to have to bleach my eyes.

edit - nm, h is the 8th letter of the alphabet...sigh. I'll try to find the post that'll explain why I asked.

Edited August 9, 2022 by Chopper

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

18 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

There’s a reason Ole Ronnie announced his candidacy in Philadelphia, Mississippi.

Marcus Dupree?

[lemonlime 5503]

 

[Fudge Nuggets 19211]

28 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Yeah, good luck with that. The Supreme Court said he had to turn his shit over two years ago and fuck all happened. 

['stache 21838]

I find it a little interesting that trump could probably have gotten the Nixon treatment if he would just shut up and go away. He could focus full time on LIV golf or create a new fake college as long as he would shut up about the election and stop spreading lies and hatred. He chose this path, so yeah, there's no choice but to go after him at all levels and make sure he and his followers find out. I guess he knows his fat ass won't live much longer anyway so might as well continue being a piece of human garbage and accepting the adulation of 65 million fucktards.

[RomaVicta 29968]

 

This Washington Post reporter was on Rachel Maddow's show last night. Some of the materials were classified to the level that even describing them on the inventory she mentions would be a violation of national security. Serious shit.

 

[Js1 85527]

 

[wildcat09 29376]

The thing about Yang is he is a profoundly stupid person who, despite running for President, never learned how anything works.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, aggie08 said:

Trump, for his many, many flaws and boundless stupidity, is really good at putting a few patsies between himself and provable crime.

This. It ain't like he is going to have "Top Secret: Do Not Remove From White House" files sitting in his personal safe. Anything they find in the search will be something that to a middle of the road person strongly implies an illegal dealing but to someone right-leaning can be explained away.

It's the thing with "finding 11,000 votes" in the Georgia call. He never says to do anything explicitly criminal, but strongly implies it. He doesn't get caught with his hand in the cookie jar, but the cookies are only missing when he is in the house alone with a trail of crumbs leading to the sofa where he is sitting.

['stache 21838]

17 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

This Washington Post reporter was on Rachel Maddow's show last night. Some of the materials were classified to the level that even describing them on the inventory she mentions would be a violation of national security. Serious shit.

 

It almost certainly has to be related to Russia, right? What else would be (1) super-duper classified right now, and (2) be super personal to trump that he would take them with him and try to hide them from law enforcement? We also saw that classified documents are only treated this way if shared with third parties, i.e., Russia, which we've known all about for several years. This could get really nasty. I suspect he shared highly classified information with Russian officials. You know, the literal definition of treason against a now wartime enemy (not directly at war, but yeah, at war). Please, please, please continue pressing your boots to his throat until he either ends up in jail or Epstien's himself (and I mean that in both plausble ways). 

Edited August 9, 2022 by 'stache

[Nivek 16979]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

Make him watch the short documentary showing exactly how the militant wing of the GQP invaded the Capitol.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/proud-boys-jan-6.html

Sorry, he was informed the New York times is not a legitimate NEWS source by people whose own network declares that their hosts are not legitimate or credible.