A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[kevwun 15589]

Also, they can seize anything of value he received for the information.

Here's the complete text of the statute.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793

Edited August 12, 2022 by kevwun

[TexArcher 37448]

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

It was good of Patel to implicate him on the additional crime of intending to disseminate national-defense information.

Where do you get "Fox News has won"?  Don't the Democrats control the presidency and both houses of Congress?

And are you under the impression that this is somehow good for Trump/the GQP/Fox News?  Biden has passed meaningful legislation, the economy is improving, and Democratic voters are fired up about Dobbs.  And in the meantime, all the GQP can talk about is how Trump thought about declassifying the documents that the FBI planted.

All this has given the Democrats a real significant chance of holding the House and increasing their majority in the Senate.  And there's no way a party in power should ever do either of those things in the midterms absent a war.

And it leads to another issue: there are a lot of Republicans who know that Trump is too damaged to win the presidency in 2024.  That's why the DeSantis train has gotten so much support.  It's not that they like DeSantis more than they like Trump; it's that they think DeSantis will win and that Trump can't.

But here's the fun thing--if DeSantis wins the nomination, do you think Trump is going to calmly accept that result and support the party's nominee?  FUCK NO!  He's going to go full Trump, screaming about how the primaries were rigged and throwing bombs at DeSantis all the way to November.  Fuck--he might even run as a third-party candidate just to fuck over DeSantis.  It's going to be great.

Only if Fox News's actual goal is the total destruction of the GQP can it be seen as "winning."

I didn't mean that Fox News has won on this particular issue.  But they have won the war, along with the rest of the GOP, which has been largely shaped by Fox over the last 20 years.  How, you asked?  They have about a hundred million Americans completely brainwashed and firmly under their command.  They've convinced these people that their will is being subverted, that their rightful presidency was stolen from them, that their nation is under attack, and that the future of white people is literally in jeopardy.  I don't think we're freaking out about this enough, frankly.

They've gotten rid of Roe and they're going to get rid of gay marriage.  The Supreme Court will be conservative for a generation.  They're going to take the Congress this fall and the presidency two years after that.  Then they're going to go on the warpath.  They're going to get their wall on the Southern border.  They're going to start turning immigrants away at the border and deporting the ones who are already here.  And whatever else they want to do.

It's not really about Trump or Trumpism.  He can go down, and god I hope he does, but it won't matter.  The GOP is a hydra and another monstrosity will grow right into Trump's place.  The whole thing is run by a cabal of people like Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, et al, and Fox News is their mouthpiece to sell whatever they decide to sell to their mob.  Yeah, they've won.  They're very close to consolidating power for years, maybe decades.  If you can't see the writing on the wall, or if you think that a piece of legislation or two for an extremely unpopular president makes one inch of difference in the long run, then I'm not even sure what to tell you, other than stay tuned.  I really, truly hope I'm wrong about this.  But I believe this country is one charismatic firebrand leader away from going full-on fascist, and I believe Fox News has laid the groundwork already to find and crown that person.

Edited August 12, 2022 by TexArcher

[RomaVicta 29744]

6 hours ago, Goredho said:

No one?  But getting rid of Trump isn’t served by all the news bombshells that wind up being duds.  That just strengthens his hold on his base, which strengthens his hold on the GOP which increases the likelihood we get him as President again.

I think most of us have written off any chance of budging his base and his hold on the GOP. Like the election that saw Trump turned out by 7 million votes, the best hope is to continue to get non-Trump cultists to get off their asses and vote to save the republic from this degenerate.

A few percentage points of GOP may fall away from Trump, but that would be best case where Trump is videotaped raping the corpse of Ronald Reagan.

[Storm the Field 5270]

3 statutes apparently listed in the warrant:

18 USC 2071 — Concealment, removal or mutilation, generally

8 USC 793 — Gathering, transmitting, or losing defense information

18 USC 1519 — Destruction, alteration or falsification of records in Federal investigations

[tx 3 putt 76123]

6 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is happening anyway.  Throw the book at him.

Indeed !

and stop handling domestic terrorist with white gloves.

 

[chainsaw 9831]

2 hours ago, chainsaw said:

My favorite plot twist would be a link to Alex Jones' cellphone.

I think I got my wish

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-fbi-search-documents-mar-a-lago-b2144170.html

Quote

FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Palm Beach, Florida home on Monday reportedly found documents classified above top secret as well as the paperwork for Trump ally Roger Stone’s pardon and information about French president Emmanuel Macron.

One can only wonder why that paperwork could be relevant to an Espionage investigation...

[Gil Bang 25857]

National Archives released a statement about the Obama allegations.  Basically, they said "Trump doesn't know shit about fuck".

[TXSG8R 3349]

FN seems to be coalescing around “if it was so sensitive, why did DOJ take 2 months to file for the warrant, and then wait 5 days to serve it.” There is no angle where their orange god is wrong. The required redactions will only help them keep sowing doubt. 

[Ghost of LL 15347]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

DeSantis can’t win the nomination if Trump runs. We are likely going to have at 10+ Republicans run for the nomination. If one of them is Donald Trump it’s over. 

I respectfully disagree.  I really think DeSantis can beat Trump, especially if Trump is under investigation/indictment.  Because, bottom line, Republicans care more about winning than they do about Trump.

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

I didn't mean that Fox News has won on this particular issue.  But they have won the war, along with the rest of the GOP.  How, you asked?  They have about a hundred million Americans completely brainwashed and firmly under their command.  They've convinced these people that their will is being subverted, that their rightful presidency was stolen from them, that their nation is under attack, and that the future of white people is literally in jeopardy.  I don't think we're freaking out about this enough, frankly.

They've gotten rid of Roe and they're going to get rid of gay marriage.  The Supreme Court will be conservative for a generation.  They're going to take the Congress this fall and the presidency two years after that.  Then they're going to go on the warpath.  They're going to get their wall on the Southern border.  They're going to start turning immigrants away at the border and deporting the ones who are already here.  And whatever else they want to do.

It's not really about Trump or Trumpism.  He can go down, and god I hope he does, but it won't matter.  The GOP is a hydra and another monstrosity will grow right into Trump's place.  The whole thing is run by a cabal of people like Stephen Miller, Steve Bannon, et al, and Fox News is their mouthpiece to sell whatever they decide to sell to their mob.  Yeah, they've won.  If you can't see the writing on the wall, or if you think that a piece of legislation or two for an extremely unpopular president makes one inch of difference in the long run, then I'm not even sure what to tell you, other than stay tuned.  I really, truly hope I'm wrong about this.  But I believe this country is one charismatic firebrand leader away from going full-on fascist, and I believe Fox News has laid the groundwork already to find and crown that person.

Well, ok.  If I were to concede that the GQP was going to win both houses of Congress this year, and if I were to concede that they would win the presidency in 2024, then I might agree with you.  But I don't.

Fox hasn't brainwashed 100M Americans.  Only a couple million people watch Fox News each night.  And in the highest-turnout election in the history of the Republic, only 71M voted for Fox's preferred candidate.

If the GQP takes both houses of Congress and the presidency, then it's far worse than you describe.  A border wall is the least of our fucking problems.  But it's far from a foregone conclusion that that's going to happen.  And right now, the signs are pointing toward it not happening.

13 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

 

 

The asset-forfeiture section of Section 793 is interesting, and is going to lead to some real investigation of (for example) that $2B Kushner got from the Saudis.

And actually, one wonders whether that isn't the carrot that enticed Kushner to be a CI against his dear-old FIL.

[pyrohornIII 4800]

3 hours ago, TexasEd said:

I suspect that some of it could have been incriminating evidence like the call logs he put on servers no-one had access too (Ukraine extorsion calls) and maybe he had other calls where he made offers to foreign governments to sell out the US or there were files that intercepted Mike Flynn arranging illegal deals. Maybe videos of Gaetz with 16 year old girls. The pee tapes the Russians were using to extort him.

I hope it takes down more than just Trump.  Flynn, Navarro, Gaetz, Meadows, the turtle and McCarthy all need to go down.

Now this makes sense.  Pulling out incriminating evidence on himself.  And for good measure some national defense stuff and nuke info he could sell.  Thanks

 

[tx 3 putt 76123]

McConnell is going to broker the deal - the orange idiot gets a Biden pardon but can never run for office again. Maybe ivanka is included, the rest are squarely fucked. 

 

mcconell will also make sure those trump pacs make some very generous donations in his direction. And everything related to all this is sealed up for 30 years or something 

Edited August 12, 2022 by tx 3 putt

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Multiple people are going down, Trump didn’t do this without help. 

[Red Five 40592]

If it can be proven he was selling above top secret docs, a pardon shouldn’t be on the table.

[Brisketexan 104427]

5 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I respectfully disagree.  I really think DeSantis can beat Trump, especially if Trump is under investigation/indictment.  Because, bottom line, Republicans care more about winning than they do about Trump.

Well, ok.  If I were to concede that the GQP was going to win both houses of Congress this year, and if I were to concede that they would win the presidency in 2024, then I might agree with you.  But I don't.

Fox hasn't brainwashed 100M Americans.  Only a couple million people watch Fox News each night.  And in the highest-turnout election in the history of the Republic, only 71M voted for Fox's preferred candidate.

If the GQP takes both houses of Congress and the presidency, then it's far worse than you describe.  A border wall is the least of our fucking problems.  But it's far from a foregone conclusion that that's going to happen.  And right now, the signs are pointing toward it not happening.

 

The asset-forfeiture section of Section 793 is interesting, and is going to lead to some real investigation of (for example) that $2B Kushner got from the Saudis.

And actually, one wonders whether that isn't the carrot that enticed Kushner to be a CI against his dear-old FIL.

So, today I learned that GOLL spends all of his time high as a fucking kite and living in fantasy land.

He's chosen to ignore one of the rules of the GQP: no matter how bad shit is, they ALWAYS come home.  "Sure, he rapes and murders human infants on live TV every day, and I really wish he wouldn't do that.  And he called for the extermination of all mexicans, and that was too strong, because I know two good mexicans who once painted my cabana.  But, I can't let America turn into an Obama Hunter Biden laptop socialist hellhole, so he's got my vote."

That's it.  That's always it.  And you know why that's it?  Because they ACTUALLY don't even mind or disagree with the two things I typed -- they just want to be more socially acceptable.

[Brisketexan 104427]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Multiple people are going down, Trump didn’t do this without help. 

More fucking wishcasting.

[The Dog 43767]

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

McConnell is going to broker the deal - the orange idiot gets a Biden pardon but can never run for office again. Maybe ivanka is included, the rest are squarely fucked. 

 

mcconell will also make sure those trump pacs make some very generous donations in his direction. 

Trump ends up being pardoned in the end but any deal will be negotiated between his legal team and the DOJ. This is a criminal investigation. The Senate won't be involved (unless someone wants to have an obstruction pinch on their record). 

10 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I respectfully disagree.  I really think DeSantis can beat Trump, especially if Trump is under investigation/indictment.  Because, bottom line, Republicans care more about winning than they do about Trump.

I've been saying the same and can say you are wasting your breath with these people. They've lost the plot. Brisket's response proves it:

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, today I learned that GOLL spends all of his time high as a fucking kite and living in fantasy land.

He's chosen to ignore one of the rules of the GQP: no matter how bad shit is, they ALWAYS come home.  "Sure, he rapes and murders human infants on live TV every day, and I really wish he wouldn't do that.  And he called for the extermination of all mexicans, and that was too strong, because I know two good mexicans who once painted my cabana.  But, I can't let America turn into an Obama Hunter Biden laptop socialist hellhole, so he's got my vote."

That's it.  That's always it.  And you know why that's it?  Because they ACTUALLY don't even mind or disagree with the two things I typed -- they just want to be more socially acceptable.

 

[Pato del Muerto 52312]

6 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

McConnell is going to broker the deal - the orange idiot gets a Biden pardon but can never run for office again. Maybe ivanka is included, the rest are squarely fucked. 

 

mcconell will also make sure those trump pacs make some very generous donations in his direction. And everything related to all this is sealed up for 30 years or something 

There’s no way the gop will be willing to publicly be party to trump’s downfall. They want him out of the way but they want it to appear to be against their wishes so they can assume his voting base. 

[TXSG8R 3349]

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

If it can be proven he was selling above top secret docs, a pardon shouldn’t be on the table.

Secret information can be expected to cause grave damage to national security by definition. He shouldn’t get a pass for any classified material that was compromised. 

[Hagbard Celine 10731]

4 hours ago, The Dog said:

 

https://www.space.com/12739-video-hypersonic-military-aircraft-flight-darpa-htv2.html

[tx 3 putt 76123]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

If it can be proven he was selling above top secret docs, a pardon shouldn’t be on the table.

biden is dumb in thinking it’ll ‘heal’ the nation <<< that’s my guess 

[Brisketexan 104427]

1 minute ago, The Dog said:

I've been saying the same and can say you are wasting your breath with these people. They've lost the plot. Brisket's response proves it

Problem with your thinking:

1 -- the GQP DOES love winning (no disagreement here).....and they've run the numbers.  They can't win WITHOUT the type of voter I just described.

2 -- that type of voter will be turned off if the GQP turns on Trump.  They may not vote Dem, but they'll just stay home, which is almost as bad.

Conclusion: the GQP can only win with Trump psychopath cultists as voters, and they will only get those voters to show up on election day if the GQP continues to grovel at Trump's feet.

It's just math, and it's not even complicated math.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13391]

When it comes to foreign countries buying this type of info from Trump, it may seem far-fetched to see someone roll up to Mar-a-Lago with a suitcase of money. That would probably never happen. 

But what about Jared securing a $2B investment from the Saudi govt, against the wishes of the money managers in Saudi Arabia? They were overruled by someone higher up. 

Give Jared $2B to play with and a Trump aide will allow a visitor to take pictures of the nuclear documents. Does anyone really think this is far-fetched? This is exactly how it would play out. Then Jared quietly pushes profits to Donald.

[RomaVicta 29744]

4 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Exhibit A:

Exhibit B:

Exhibit 😄

Exhibit D :

 

Over 24 pages of 800 posts similar to this repeatedly page after page (with a few counter arguments sprinkled in).

It's a shame they nuked D-Fens' outlining of logic. Texags versions of that are usually spectacular. Otherwise, these posts are demoralizing even if they aren't surprising coming from a cult that's a simulacrum of the national disease.

[tx 3 putt 76123]

Siginit is the big one. Knowing how we capture information and that technology would be huge for Russia and China 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Remember when Trump leaked classified intel to Russians in the Oval Office. You would hope this raised some flags among our counterintelligence officials. 
 

ETA: Source

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

Edited August 12, 2022 by Hugo Stiglitz

[4th&Five 41456]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Remember when Trump leaked classified intel to Russians in the Oval Office. You would hope this raised some flags among our counterintelligence officials. 

[RomaVicta 29744]

2 hours ago, horn4life said:

Would anyone here be at all surprised to see a Truther Social post saying... "Under advice of counsel we have decided to keep the warrant and property list from release today.  Though I really, really want it released. Sort of like I really, really wanted to to answer questions of Robert Mueller... very unfair!"

 

Ha! Yea.  Once the IRS audit is done, I'll happily release my tax returns.

[chainsaw 9831]

1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

Ha! Yea.  Once the IRS audit is done, I'll happily release my tax returns.

RC didn't offer

Jimbo backed off

[Ojo Rojo 1876]

Please let this really be the beginning of a spectacular fireball.

[The Dog 43767]

 

[Brisketexan 104427]

Just now, The Dog said:

 

"I don't BELIEVE my client would murder anyone.  I mean, he likes to dress up as a clown!  That kind of person just isn't a murderer!"

 

[tx 3 putt 76123]

So he should be announcing his 2024 presidential run this weekend ?

[Hagbard Celine 10731]

also....

 

https://www.aerospacetestinginternational.com/features/testing-hypersonic-weapons-and-vehicles.html

(note the above article is 9 years old....)

 

https://ciaotest.cc.columbia.edu/olj/sa/sa_feb01ghc01.html

(note the above article is 21 years old....)

 

psa: the last major systems disclosure was the B-2 more than 30 years ago....

 

holographic projection, cloaking devices, the list is long....

 

https://www.textise.net/showText.aspx?strURL=https%3A//www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-04-17-me-607-story.html

 

stealth is table-steaks in 2022

 

[David Dennison 18561]

4 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

So he should be announcing his 2024 presidential run this weekend ?

The sooner the better, right?

[Fastbreak 3944]

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.” -LBJ

This is the entirety of the GOP platform. As long as they do that then they have the base. This other shit flinging is just trying to pick up a few more crazy people to increase the numbers.

But since they have gerrymandered almost every state, they don’t even need a solid majority. Base+fringe is enough.

[tx 3 putt 76123]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

The sooner the better, right?

you can’t charge a man running for president !!!!!!!!!

[Pig Bellmont 8678]

So much for the “he declassified it by using only thoughts in his head” bullshit 

[Storm the Field 5270]

[Mo Horn 8795]

Nevermind

Edited August 12, 2022 by Mo Horn

[Tuco 5076]

31 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

McConnell is going to broker the deal - the orange idiot gets a Biden pardon but can never run for office again. Maybe ivanka is included, the rest are squarely fucked. 

Why? I don't think Biden is particularly worried about an indicted Trump winning 2024.  Biden would have an easier time against Trump than any number of other candidates.  And Biden would have an easier time against the other candidates if Trump should run in the primary.  "Healing the nation" does not include DeSantis becoming President in 2024.  I could see a decision to not prosecute, or to pardon, on the basis that Trump is senile stupid fuck, but I don't see Biden negotiating with McConnell over it. 

20 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

When it comes to foreign countries buying this type of info from Trump, it may seem far-fetched to see someone roll up to Mar-a-Lago with a suitcase of money. That would probably never happen. 

But what about Jared securing a $2B investment from the Saudi govt, against the wishes of the money managers in Saudi Arabia? They were overruled by someone higher up. 

Give Jared $2B to play with and a Trump aide will allow a visitor to take pictures of the nuclear documents. Does anyone really think this is far-fetched? This is exactly how it would play out. Then Jared quietly pushes profits to Donald.

Definitely.  If this is an extension of Flynn's attempt at sharing nuke power info with the Saudis, then I certainly don't think Trump would see it as harmful.  If it is more than that - if it deals with weapons - I could see Trump brushing it off as a deterrent to Iran.  Either way, if it helps Trump, he'd find some reason it's okay. And his base will nod and drool. 

[Gil Bang 25857]

Fucking 103 in Palm Springs today, but the cult is out.

 

 

 

[RDCanecutter 26233]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Fucking 103 in Palm Springs today, but the cult is out.

 

 

 

Supermarket cashiers at least get a day off from Karens.

[SimonBolivar 10895]

4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Fucking 103 in Palm Springs today, but the cult is out.

 

 

 

J6ers deserve due process? Is that not what they're getting in courtrooms all across America right now?

[Wax Beer Cup 382]

4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Fucking 103 in Palm Springs today, but the cult is out.

 

 

 

There was a group of about 100 or so on a corner in Plano on Wednesday - flags, cutouts of their orange god, signs, etc.  About 3 minutes after I drove by, huge storm blew in with little to no warning.  Wish I would have been driving by when that hit.  That's what I call justice......

[chainsaw 9831]

Just now, SimonBolivar said:

J6ers deserve due process? Is that not what they're getting in courtrooms all across America right now?

"due process" means special treatment for whites, and by special treatment we mean an ironclad guarantee of no consequences or even minor inconveniences.

[Pig Bellmont 8678]

 

That’s a lot of boxes…

[RomaVicta 29744]

1 hour ago, The Dog said:

Need the lawyers to weigh in on this one - does the statute apply to each document? 

One's enough. Cuff the motherfucker. He's a sure flight risk. Remand the motherfucker. Put him in his pal Epstein's cell in either Florida or New York.

If anyone takes up arms to threaten the peace and safety of the common good, hose those motherfuckers with military ammunition.

The idiot stepped too far out of bounds to avoid immediate penalty. No delaying lawsuits can keep him out of custody. They will happen after custody. Follow the normal course of criminal arrest and prosecution. He's not the president. He's a(n alleged) common felon.

If pursuit of legal prosecution is too much for his adherents, follow the law with them as well. 

This is our door to get out of the political arena and all of its shady areas that Trump can exploit. Cuff him. Jail him. Prosecute him. Determine his guilt. Imprison or hang him in accordance with the law. There are no Mitch McConnels or Gym Jordans to disrupt the process. 

Fucking do it. 

 

[Brisketexan 104427]

Just now, chainsaw said:

"due process" means special treatment for whites, and by special treatment we mean an ironclad guarantee of no consequences or even minor inconveniences.

chainsaw gets it.  Add on there that it ALSO includes minorities getting shot by the cops if they refuse to obey 27 contradictory "lawful commands" in 1/100th of a second -- "he shoulda just followed orders, he got what he deserved!"

Laws that protect, but do not bind.

Laws that bind, but do not protect.

That is the GQP worldview, and you're watching it be played out in real time.

[Bruh Man 3160]

Attorneys of Surly, how big of a lawsuit are we looking at here? 7 figures, 8 figures, 9?

 

[tx 3 putt 76123]

2 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

One's enough. Cuff the motherfucker. He's a sure flight risk. Remand the motherfucker. Put him in his pal Epstein's cell in either Florida or New York.

If anyone takes up arms to threaten the peace and safety of the common good, hose those motherfuckers with military ammunition.

The idiot stepped too far out of bounds to avoid immediate penalty. No delaying lawsuits can keep him out of custody. They will happen after custody. Follow the normal course of criminal arrest and prosecution. He's not the president. He's a(n alleged) common felon.

If pursuit of legal prosecution is too much for his adherents, follow the law with them as well. 

This is our door to get out of the political arena and all of its shady areas that Trump can exploit. Cuff him. Jail him. Prosecute him. Determine his guilt. Imprison or hang him in accordance with the law. There are no Mitch McConnels or Gym Jordans to disrupt the process. 

Fucking do it.