A story about a pathetic man's downfall [34 Felony Convictions]

[henrygandorf 29191]

49 minutes ago, Chopper said:

One sign of how deep the hole trump has now dug for himself is the lack of gqp senators chiming in with for support...only the most deeply involved and implicated in his Jan 6 conspiracy are now speaking up.

while what you're saying is accurate, i would say the scariest part is that these senators don't really factor into the calculus.

polls as recently as yesterday came out saying that the gop is sinking deeper into the trump grip. 

the gqp is becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of trump org.  the gqp is brought to you by a very generous grant from trump org.  the gqp and all its senators exist under the trump umbrella and it is starting to rain.

[immamac 42850]

2 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

while what you're saying is accurate, i would say the scariest part is that these senators don't really factor into the calculus.

polls as recently as yesterday came out saying that the gop is sinking deeper into the trump grip. 

the gqp is becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of trump org.  the gqp is brought to you by a very generous grant from trump org.  the gqp and all its senators exist under the trump umbrella and it is starting to rain.

yes, they are nearly indistinguishable now, which is why Cheney making a big stand with big money behind her will basically royally fuck over the GQP

[henrygandorf 29191]

36 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Much to our debit, as you obviously know, states run them. However, states and the federal government each have laws pertaining to fair elections, and every single state followed the applicable laws in 2020. Many of trump's cohorts tried their best to breach them and a number of his fellow perps will soon be in prison.

right.  and they've spent the past 2 years replacing those people with thugs, villains, and thieves willing to do trump's bidding.  brad raffensperger is not walking through that door.  and when he wins pa or wisc or ga or ariz or wherever in 2024 (even though the polls showed otherwise) we will never hear the recording of the call asking for just enough votes, but deep down we'll know what happened. 

[henrygandorf 29191]

Just now, immamac said:

yes, they are nearly indistinguishable now, which is why Cheney making a big stand with big money behind her will basically royally fuck over the GQP

[Guest]

https://www.archives.gov/files/foia/wall-letter-to-evan-corcoran-re-trump-boxes-05.10.2022.pdf

So looking through the letter, the government said back in April they want their stuff back. The "raid" took place four months later. 

That sounds like plenty of time to give back a dozen boxes of documents -- and make sure your passports and other stuff ain't in them.
 

[chainsaw 9867]

1 hour ago, Chopper said:

One sign of how deep the hole trump has now dug for himself is the lack of gqp senators chiming in with for support...only the most deeply involved and implicated in his Jan 6 conspiracy are now speaking up.

 

Don't worry about him, he's cool

[Chopper 17235]

18 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

the gqp is becoming a wholly owned subsidiary of trump org.  the gqp is brought to you by a very generous grant from trump org.  the gqp and all its senators exist under the trump umbrella and it is starting to rain.

Becoming? That happened years ago. Their mutual interests will soon part. It's inevitable unless they want to be a permanent minority despite the huge advantage they have due to the white supremacist electoral college system.

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

2 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

Chopper, while I can want your optimism, Trump is still walking around free, which is more than anybody else in any situation.  They've not only disregarded rules, they created laws for him--like a sitting president can't commit or be tried for crimes.  It was that way for his run to the presidency, four years of presidency and now post presidency.  That's why our optimism is exhausted.  I want to believe but two slam dunk impeachment hearings went his way because he learned his lesson and witch-hunts.  

Yep.

[DDD Dad 14339]

4 hours ago, Chopper said:

@henrygandorfI believe I've already done so. So why don't you go a head and explain the logic you used to decide to be a defeatist little bitch. 

[DDD Dad 14339]

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Still, though, Halligan is supposed to be local counsel, familiar with the local courts, and ANY COMPETENT local counsel WOULD head this stuff off at the pass.  

FIFY.

 

Still would, though.

Edited August 23, 2022 by DDD Dad

[Chopper 17235]

32 minutes ago, MC Fresh Breath said:

Yep.

I worked for the Innocence Project during law school so I'm relatively aware that we have a broken and lopsided system. One area in which it's extremely noticeable is what are frequently termed white collar crimes as opposed to violent, drug or even vandalism. Also the wealthy and the powerful often get an extremely sympathetic judge and/or prosecutor. That said, as I posted just yesterday, there are 2 men in prison convicted of stealing secret federal documents with a fact record that is very similar to what Trump could be charged with. You can look their cases up but each, white men, received significant prison time. Also Trump's CEO Weisselberg is headed to Rikers Island. The feds take theft of top secret information very, very seriously...it's folly for anyone to think that they don't believe this is one of the most important duties within the federal gov't.

Also, what makes me feel especially optimistic is this: If you were going to scope out a list of instructions for a target of an investigation to make himself appear to both a judge and a prosecutor as unsympathetic as possible; as irresponsible as possible; as self-contradictory as possible; as reckless as possible; as sociopathic as possible; and blatantly uncaring about heeding his most important legal obligations as a US gov't official, and to do all of that in just 3 weeks, it would be difficult if not impossible to top what trump has managed.

Trump is using his old playbook from NYC days - threaten, file nonsense lawsuits, make a public scene...that's not going to work against USDOJ.

[chainsaw 9867]

6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I worked for the Innocence Project during law school so I'm relatively aware that we have a broken and lopsided system. One area in which it's extremely noticeable is what are frequently termed white collar crimes as opposed to violent, drug or even vandalism. Also the wealthy and the powerful often get an extremely sympathetic judge and/or prosecutor. That said, as I posted just yesterday, there are 2 men in prison convicted of stealing secret federal documents with a fact record that is very similar to what Trump could be charged with. You can look their cases up but each, white men, received significant prison time. Also Trump's CEO Weisselberg is headed to Rikers Island. The feds take theft of top secret information very, very seriously...it's folly for anyone to think that they don't believe this is one of the most important duties within the federal gov't.

Also, what makes me feel especially optimistic is this: If you were going to scope out a list of instructions for a target of an investigation to make himself appear to both a judge and a prosecutor as unsympathetic as possible; as irresponsible as possible; as self-contradictory as possible; as reckless as possible; as sociopathic as possible; and blatantly uncaring about heeding his most important legal obligations as a US gov't official, and to do all of that in just 3 weeks, it would be difficult if not impossible to top what trump has managed.

Trump is using his old playbook from NYC days - threaten, file nonsense lawsuits, make a public scene...that's not going to work against USDOJ.

If he's in bed with an enemy or rogue nation of some kind, would the law of war apply?

[DigglerontheHoof 21199]

6 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I worked for the Innocence Project during law school so I'm relatively aware that we have a broken and lopsided system. One area in which it's extremely noticeable is what are frequently termed white collar crimes as opposed to violent, drug or even vandalism. Also the wealthy and the powerful often get an extremely sympathetic judge and/or prosecutor. That said, as I posted just yesterday, there are 2 men in prison convicted of stealing secret federal documents with a fact record that is very similar to what Trump could be charged with. You can look their cases up but each, white men, received significant prison time. Also Trump's CEO Weisselberg is headed to Rikers Island. The feds take theft of top secret information very, very seriously...it's folly for anyone to think that they don't believe this is one of the most important duties within the federal gov't.

Also, what makes me feel especially optimistic is this: If you were going to scope out a list of instructions for a target of an investigation to make himself appear to both a judge and a prosecutor as unsympathetic as possible; as irresponsible as possible; as self-contradictory as possible; as reckless as possible; as sociopathic as possible; and blatantly uncaring about heeding his most important legal obligations as a US gov't official, and to do all of that in just 3 weeks, it would be difficult if not impossible to top what trump has managed.

Trump is using his old playbook from NYC days - threaten, file nonsense lawsuits, make a public scene...that's not going to work against USDOJ.

All you said makes sense; but I'll believe the bolded, only after it happens.  Gotti got got; dotard is the real Teflon Don. 

[C-Man 27224]

7 minutes ago, Chopper said:

Trump is using his old playbook from NYC days - threaten, file nonsense lawsuits, make a public scene...that's not going to work against USDOJ.

[Biff Tannen 45683]

I'm struggling with this newfound "Liz Cheney is going to sink the dotard" argument.  Where did this come from?  

[MC Fresh Breath 4074]

13 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I worked for the Innocence Project during law school so I'm relatively aware that we have a broken and lopsided system. One area in which it's extremely noticeable is what are frequently termed white collar crimes as opposed to violent, drug or even vandalism. Also the wealthy and the powerful often get an extremely sympathetic judge and/or prosecutor. That said, as I posted just yesterday, there are 2 men in prison convicted of stealing secret federal documents with a fact record that is very similar to what Trump could be charged with. You can look their cases up but each, white men, received significant prison time. Also Trump's CEO Weisselberg is headed to Rikers Island. The feds take theft of top secret information very, very seriously...it's folly for anyone to think that they don't believe this is one of the most important duties within the federal gov't.

Also, what makes me feel especially optimistic is this: If you were going to scope out a list of instructions for a target of an investigation to make himself appear to both a judge and a prosecutor as unsympathetic as possible; as irresponsible as possible; as self-contradictory as possible; as reckless as possible; as sociopathic as possible; and blatantly uncaring about heeding his most important legal obligations as a US gov't official, and to do all of that in just 3 weeks, it would be difficult if not impossible to top what trump has managed.

Trump is using his old playbook from NYC days - threaten, file nonsense lawsuits, make a public scene...that's not going to work against USDOJ.

He sought foreign interference in a US election.  He incited an insurrection against the peaceful transfer of power.  He paid off a porn star with campaign funds.  He attempted to overturn the count in Georgia.    He's openly threatening the DOJ.   And as many here will point out, that's just the tip of the iceberg.  He should have been in prison before he even reached the Oval Office.   I sincerely hope you're on the right side of this and will celebrate right along with you if things work out that way.   

[The Dog 44046]

 

4 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I'm struggling with this newfound "Liz Cheney is going to sink the dotard" argument.  Where did this come from?  

The idea is that she'd peel votes off from him in the general. She's not pulling enough votes to do anything to any GOP candidate. 

Just now, MC Fresh Breath said:

He sought foreign interference in a US election.  He incited an insurrection against the peaceful transfer of power.  He paid off a porn star with campaign funds.  He attempted to overturn the count in Georgia.    He's openly threatening the DOJ.   And as many here will point out, that's just the tip of the iceberg.  He should have been in prison before he even reached the Oval Office.   I sincerely hope you're on the right side of this and will celebrate right along with you if things work out that way.   

He was president when all of that came to light. He's a private citizen now. Big difference.

[DDD Dad 14339]

23 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I worked for the Innocence Project during law school so I'm relatively aware that we have a broken and lopsided system. One area in which it's extremely noticeable is what are frequently termed white collar crimes as opposed to violent, drug or even vandalism. Also the wealthy and the powerful often get an extremely sympathetic judge and/or prosecutor. That said, as I posted just yesterday, there are 2 men in prison convicted of stealing secret federal documents with a fact record that is very similar to what Trump could be charged with. You can look their cases up but each, white men, received significant prison time. Also Trump's CEO Weisselberg is headed to Rikers Island. The feds take theft of top secret information very, very seriously...it's folly for anyone to think that they don't believe this is one of the most important duties within the federal gov't.

Also, what makes me feel especially optimistic is this: If you were going to scope out a list of instructions for a target of an investigation to make himself appear to both a judge and a prosecutor as unsympathetic as possible; as irresponsible as possible; as self-contradictory as possible; as reckless as possible; as sociopathic as possible; and blatantly uncaring about heeding his most important legal obligations as a US gov't official, and to do all of that in just 3 weeks, it would be difficult if not impossible to top what trump has managed.

Trump is using his old playbook from NYC days - threaten, file nonsense lawsuits, make a public scene...that's not going to work against USDOJ.

I've got to admire your optimism.  Out here on the ledge we tend to be a tad more realistic fatalistic.

(Also, I had to chuckle at you negging me.  Did that make you feel better?).

[Js1 85331]

3 minutes ago, The Dog said:

 

The idea is that she'd peel votes off from him in the general. She's not pulling enough votes to do anything to any GOP candidate. 

Oh please, her, Glenn Youngkin and Larry Hogan will combine for about 3.5% of the vote in Iowa and NH and be out of the primary right after. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

21 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

I'm struggling with this newfound "Liz Cheney is going to sink the dotard" argument.  Where did this come from?  

Wishful thinking.  

[chainsaw 9867]

10 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh please, her, Glenn Youngkin and Larry Hogan will combine for about 3.5% of the vote in Iowa and NH and be out of the primary right after. 

I think you are agreeing with @The Dog

[TwiceHorn 31465]

40 minutes ago, Chopper said:

I worked for the Innocence Project during law school so I'm relatively aware that we have a broken and lopsided system. One area in which it's extremely noticeable is what are frequently termed white collar crimes as opposed to violent, drug or even vandalism. Also the wealthy and the powerful often get an extremely sympathetic judge and/or prosecutor. That said, as I posted just yesterday, there are 2 men in prison convicted of stealing secret federal documents with a fact record that is very similar to what Trump could be charged with. You can look their cases up but each, white men, received significant prison time. Also Trump's CEO Weisselberg is headed to Rikers Island. The feds take theft of top secret information very, very seriously...it's folly for anyone to think that they don't believe this is one of the most important duties within the federal gov't.

Also, what makes me feel especially optimistic is this: If you were going to scope out a list of instructions for a target of an investigation to make himself appear to both a judge and a prosecutor as unsympathetic as possible; as irresponsible as possible; as self-contradictory as possible; as reckless as possible; as sociopathic as possible; and blatantly uncaring about heeding his most important legal obligations as a US gov't official, and to do all of that in just 3 weeks, it would be difficult if not impossible to top what trump has managed.

Trump is using his old playbook from NYC days - threaten, file nonsense lawsuits, make a public scene...that's not going to work against USDOJ.

It's not really going to work in criminal court, period.

No one has ever seen an indicted Donald Trump.  It's been a long time coming, but I think we're finna, as the kids would say.

[Beau Vine 54225]

2 hours ago, Chopper said:

Strongly agree they're chucklefucks. But they turned their backs on trump before and will do so again. Quite honestly with the motivation the gqp has provided many formerly complacent women to get out and vote, along with any homosexual, or a parent of a homosexual child, it won't be nearly as close in 2024 as it was in 2020. And in 2020 it wasn't close.

But gas prices!

[Thatguy 8699]

12 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

I've got to admire your optimism.  Out here on the ledge we tend to be a tad more realistic fatalistic.

(Also, I had to chuckle at you negging me.  Did that make you feel better?).

   I am out here on the ledge with you and my guy @Brisketexan, and been standing on that ledge for 6 years. This man should've never made it to the presidency, much less where he is now with all the things he's done. It is currently political suicide to go against this man, and a good bit of the United States is quite frankly scared of him. I used to think he was too stupid to pull of what Putin did, but now I see if he takes office again he will be able to.

  What I am hoping is that the people in power realize that too and this is driven by a now or never mentality, and they can get him before he gets us. Even as it stands I am working a contingency plan on where to go it he gets back in office. Because this country will be a decade away from unlivable if you ask me. It will be Trump then him passing the torch to Jr.

[LCHorn 2620]

22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh please, her, Glenn Youngkin and Larry Hogan will combine for about 3.5% of the vote in Iowa and NH and be out of the primary right after. 

That’s my thought, as well.  In a general as a third party candidate she’s more likely to grab “pinch your nose and vote for Biden” RINO’s than pull off the lunatics voting for Trump.  

[The Dog 44046]

26 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Oh please, her, Glenn Youngkin and Larry Hogan will combine for about 3.5% of the vote in Iowa and NH and be out of the primary right after. 

She'd have to run in the general in order for it to matter. Don't think she's planning on running for the GOP nomination (and if she is the idea is even stupider). 

 

3 minutes ago, LCHorn said:

That’s my thought, as well.  In a general as a third party candidate she’s more likely to grab “pinch your nose and vote for Biden” RINO’s than pull off the lunatics voting for Trump.  

that's the risk too but she's pretty freaking conservative. not that it matters as it's not going anywhere regardless IMHO>

[Pig Bellmont 8718]

lolol

[Js1 85331]

5 minutes ago, The Dog said:

She'd have to run in the general in order for it to matter. Don't think she's planning on running for the GOP nomination (and if she is the idea is even stupider). 

 

that's the risk too but she's pretty freaking conservative. not that it matters as it's not going anywhere regardless IMHO>

So a whopping 1.5% of the vote in the general, lol.  Maybe less.  I guess she's running as a pure independent or on something stupid, like the Constitution Party. 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I'm struggling with this newfound "Liz Cheney is going to sink the dotard" argument.  Where did this come from?  

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/23/the-koch-network-and-other-trump-allies-are-quietly-backing-his-biggest-gop-critic-rep-liz-cheney.html
 

Fight fire with fire.  Anyone that thinks a Liz run doesn’t sink Don in the GENERAL is a moron. 
 

Edit:  not just big money.  Also the fact Dotard will lose his mind with her / LincolnProject attack ads.  The D candidate can hang in the background.  That’s a very real issue for fucktard.  
 

Edit 2:  I’m a dipshit.  The GENERAL, not primary.  

Edited August 23, 2022 by ChiTownDoc

[Pig Bellmont 8718]

Trump about to learn that courts don’t operate like cable news and shitty lawyers will get you in prison 

[Biff Tannen 45683]

8 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2022/08/23/the-koch-network-and-other-trump-allies-are-quietly-backing-his-biggest-gop-critic-rep-liz-cheney.html
 

Fight fire with fire.  Anyone that thinks a Liz run doesn’t sink Don in the primary is a moron. 

WTF are you talking about man?  You think Liz Cheney can primary Trump?  You really believe this?

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

Just now, Biff Tannen said:

WTF are you talking about man?  You think Liz Cheney can primary Trump?  You really believe this?

No.  Read my original post.  It’s running in the general.  Wake up.  Why waste any money in a primary?

[tx 3 putt 76952]

4 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Goddamn, Trump and 1/3 of this country are fucking regards

[Willfully Horn 8017]

Cashing in on the grift can go too far.

 

[BehoId, The Underminer! 11669]

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

lolol

Looool. Reminiscent of Lynn Hughes ordering defendants to file a R12 motion on that election case.   

[chainsaw 9867]

4 minutes ago, BehoId, The Underminer! said:

Looool. Reminiscent of Lynn Hughes ordering defendants to file a R12 motion on that election case.   

what are you talkin about

[henrygandorf 29191]

56 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Fight fire with fire.  Anyone that thinks a Liz run doesn’t sink Don in the primary is a moron. 

 

46 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

No.  Read my original post.  It’s running in the general.  Wake up.  Why waste any money in a primary?

i read your original post, as i think it was derogatory and aimed at me.  but it's not like you're being super clear here, doc.

i'm not on the "liz can do damage" bandwagon yet, but as i see it, there are 2 potential ways this goes bad for trump:

-she runs in the gop primary, steals enough votes to put desantis ahead of trump, trump loses primary (no idea what the breakdown would be on this)

-she runs 3rd party in the election, steals enough votes to put the dem nominee ahead of trump, trump loses general

i don't think either is "obvious" and haven't really been paying attention to her plans.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Liz Cheney is not going to save us.

[immamac 42850]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

 

i read your original post, as i think it was derogatory and aimed at me.  but it's not like you're being super clear here, doc.

i'm not on the "liz can do damage" bandwagon yet, but as i see it, there are 2 potential ways this goes bad for trump:

-she runs in the gop primary, steals enough votes to put desantis ahead of trump, trump loses primary (no idea what the breakdown would be on this)

-she runs 3rd party in the election, steals enough votes to put the dem nominee ahead of trump, trump loses general

i don't think either is "obvious" and haven't really been paying attention to her plans.

She's gonna do both. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Liz Cheney is not going to save us.

neither is Liz Warren. but collectively I think to take down this giant it's death by a thousand cuts. no one thing is going to do it.

[henrygandorf 29191]

5 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

He’ll probably win is asinine.  Cheney runs and he’s toast.  No D is voting for Liz and 10% R vote for Liz.  It’s over.  

ok edit to add here is your original post.  here you mean 3rd party in a general, clearly.  i don't think seeing trump as a frontrunner is asinine, btw, and you should probably come to terms with that.  gun to my head, he's who i would predict as of this afternoon.

also it doesn't take dems to vote for cheney, but it could also cut into the "r but i hate trump" biden voters from 2020.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33870]

the only reason trump runs third party if he doesn't get the nom is if he is still using his candidacy as cover for protection from prosecution. i don't think he ever gets there. the things unfold I'm becoming more confident that this fat fuck's good days are well behind him

Edited August 23, 2022 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Sbbruin 21853]

5 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

the only reason trump runs third party if he doesn't get the nom is if he is still using his candidacy as cover for protection from prosecution. i don't think he ever gets there. the things unfold I'm becoming more confident that this fat fuck's good days are well behind him

I just hope he dies.  Soon.

[Homercles 10205]

57 minutes ago, Willfully Horn said:

Cashing in on the grift can go too far.

 

Holy fuck they all look the same.  Fat young wannabe Meal Team Six Gun nuts, fat middle aged Karens, angry Minions boomer or bald middle age Oakley’s guy.  
 

I drive by the house of a Bald Middle Age Oakleys guy regularly.  Always flying the flag, Abbot signs out front since May, garage full of suspicious buckets.  

Edited August 23, 2022 by Homercles

[safe sex 11724]

I'll settle for any time including the present, but with everything going on, I'd like him to hold on long enough to be indicted and/or on trial/incarcerated/etc.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

12 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

neither is Liz Warren. but collectively I think to take down this giant it's death by a thousand cuts. no one thing is going to do it.

You really need to let the primary go

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

24 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

 

i read your original post, as i think it was derogatory and aimed at me.  but it's not like you're being super clear here, doc.

i'm not on the "liz can do damage" bandwagon yet, but as i see it, there are 2 potential ways this goes bad for trump:

-she runs in the gop primary, steals enough votes to put desantis ahead of trump, trump loses primary (no idea what the breakdown would be on this)

-she runs 3rd party in the election, steals enough votes to put the dem nominee ahead of trump, trump loses general

i don't think either is "obvious" and haven't really been paying attention to her plans.

I just talk like an asshole.  You’d know if I was actually trying to be derogatory.  Fuck Trump.  Cheers

[Beau Vine 54225]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Anyone that thinks a Liz run doesn’t sink Don in the primary is a moron.

Am I reading this correctly?

She can't win a primary in Wyoming, but you think she's going to win over the cult god?

[Beau Vine 54225]

14 minutes ago, trauma babe said:

I'll settle for any time including the present, but with everything going on, I'd like him to hold on long enough to be indicted and/or on trial/incarcerated/etc.

I'd be completely pleased if he choked to death on a Big Mac at dinner tonight.

[Biff Tannen 45683]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

Am I reading this correctly?

She can't win a primary in Wyoming, but you think she's going to win over the cult god?

This is where I'm at.  I don't think there would be any material effect of her running in either the primary or the general.

I'm really confused on this line of thinking and how it has come to fruition.  @ChiTownDoc please explain why you think this.  I know you're a smart guy.  What on earth makes this make sense in your head?

Edited August 23, 2022 by Biff Tannen