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So a judge from a country her former boss would call a shithole country that sends murders, rapists, and drugs across our beautiful southern border is gonna help stall and make Trump's FBI appointee look bad?  Nah, no way we're living in a simulation.  

At least they begin Sept. 1st and it's "only" 15 boxes, not a whole warehouse of discovery to plod through.  So this delay should only take until what, back half of September?  

[Foosters 18,289]

Special master isn't really going to do much for Team Trump here. 

[Mdhorn 6,167]

8 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Special master isn't really going to do much for Team Trump here. 

Except buy more time.

[Lurch 5,952]

This doesn’t seem to matter at all. They aren’t delaying anything.

[chainsaw 10,340]

41 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Oh come the fuck on. Some surly lawyer talk me off this cliff. WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS?  Does this not just prolong the process for no reason which is EXACTLY why they are trying to do it?

Sounds like a corrupt trump judge doing corrupt trump judge things.

If I'm at DOJ, I would politely ignore this. Realistically what can she do?

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

22 minutes ago, texastough said:

Trump can’t appeal any relief granted to him in trial court, but he can appeal denials by the judge. It shouldn’t take a special master long to determine what’s trump property and what’s government property out of what the fbi took

Yeah, I don't see it as a big deal.  They hogged through multiple thousands of documents in the Cohen case in a month or so.  

The only real reason to criticize it is that there's no real basis to believe any of the documents, other than the classified stuff, is privileged in such a way that criminal investigators can't see it.  This is a pretty conclusive way to put a bullet in that argument.  Also the argument that Trump unclassified anything, maybe.

[Underdog 29,262]

Is this Special Master going to be Putin. Or the Sheik? 

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5 hours ago, 'stache said:

Wut? There's literally nothing he can do that would make them turn on him as a party. You would think treason might be a reason to get rid of him, but nope, they still love him. I can't imagine anyone thinks that there is any sort of bottom that could make them rid themselves of him, he is their god now.

Losing can get a decent chunk to turn on him, and If his candidates keep up their streak of losing in the midterms, and aren’t helping retake Congress, it won’t help him at all.

Maybe the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and Boeberts don’t care, because symbolism and martyrdom play well to their base, but the Mitch McConnells and Kevin McCarthys and the BMDs and corporate donors care.  A lot.  Because being out of power for multiple election cycles in a row shuffles the money around.  BMDs and corporate donors aren’t interested in losers, because symbolism and martyrdom doesn’t mean shit to them - they want results for their money.  That means the money flows to Democrats, or it flows to Republican candidates in the primaries, who aren’t batshit. 

[Mdhorn 6,167]

17 minutes ago, Lurch said:

This doesn’t seem to matter at all. They aren’t delaying anything.

I enjoy reading everybody's takes, especially TwiceHorns rational thoughts, talking me off the ledge, but after watching what seemed like slam dunk cases involving Trump tampering with elections, jurors, and now intelligence documents, I'd say it's been a hell of a delay up to now.  

And although people have gone to jail, it's not for long stretches by any means for the crimes they committed.  I don't even know if it's much of a deterrent at this point.  Should Manafort and Stone be quaking in their shoes?  How about Flynn? All of these criminals are walking around free.   Now their dipshit followers get nicked but they see it as a righteous offering.  

I'd say as far as all of this has gone, considering the levity, if Trump isn't dangling at the end of a rope, he's won.  He'll probably be sentenced to never running for office, boo fucking hoo.  Meanwhile, his criminal apparatus and blueprints still remain intact.

But I'll wait and see, and if it happens, celebrate like it's 1999.   Till then, sandy vagina and stuff.

 

Edited August 27, 2022 by Mdhorn

[wildcat09 29,622]

There's no actual conceivable justification for a special master here. This is a Trump judge doing Trump judge shit.

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

7 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

There's no actual conceivable justification for a special master here. This is a Trump judge doing Trump judge shit.

Well, the thing i like about it is, that the only basis Trump has for claiming privilege, and from the motions I've seen, the only claimed basis is executive privilege.  That pretty decisively makes them Presidential Records under the PRA and resolves the question to whom do they rightfully belong.  And, then, as records subject to PRA, the invocation of executive privilege is up to the Biden administration, not to Trump, as we saw with the 1/6 records given to the Committee over Trump's objection (cert. denied, too).

And Biden will do it correctly, and point out that the documents are for investigation of a crime within the executive branch and so any claim of executive privilege yields to that need.

So all of this gets decided post-haste, instead of forming some kind of defense to a prosecution.

And, in the big picture, by granting him relief, it gives him less to bitch about, not that he'll ever stop.

Win. Win. Win.

[Brisketexan 107,105]

Well, the thing i like about it is, that the only basis Trump has for claiming privilege, and from the motions I've seen, the only claimed basis is executive privilege.  That pretty decisively makes them Presidential Records under the PRA and resolves the question to whom do they rightfully belong.  And, then, as records subject to PRA, the invocation of executive privilege is up to the Biden administration, not to Trump, as we saw with the 1/6 records given to the Committee over Trump's objection (cert. denied, too).
And Biden will do it correctly, and point out that the documents are for investigation of a crime within the executive branch and so any claim of executive privilege yields to that need.
So all of this gets decided post-haste, instead of forming some kind of defense to a prosecution.
And, in the big picture, by granting him relief, it gives him less to bitch about, not that he'll ever stop.
Win. Win. Win.

Yep. Giving us an airtight way to tell him STFU quickly? I’m good with that.

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55 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Special master isn't really going to do much for Team Trump here. 

calls are being made 

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I don't think she's got the actual ability to delay anything substantially, but she's pretty clearly trying to show Trump and his supporters that she's trying to help. Biden already waived executive privilege as to these materials. What's this judge going to do, override him?

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4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think she's got the actual ability to delay anything substantially, but she's pretty clearly trying to show Trump and his supporters that she's trying to help. Biden already waived executive privilege as to these materials. What's this judge going to do, override him?

that his long shot hope here, executive privilege !

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4 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think she's got the actual ability to delay anything substantially, but she's pretty clearly trying to show Trump and his supporters that she's trying to help. Biden already waived executive privilege as to these materials. What's this judge going to do, override him?

Seems really improper to insert herself into this. For her to legitimize the "exceptional circumstances" narrative from Trump's camp. For her to demonstrate that a separate, special set of rules apply when you're wealthy and well-connected. People already have record low confidence in the judicial system (thanks justice alito) and buffoons like this erode that confidence even more.

I understand why she would be scared not to bend the knee, but her job is to be impartial and unswayed by threats. If she can't handle it, she should quit.

[tx 3 putt 78,917]

This new judge makes a shitty ruling. Then Thomas’s wife swings SCOTUS in trumps favor

 

bada bing, bada boom !

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I don't think she's got the actual ability to delay anything substantially, but she's pretty clearly trying to show Trump and his supporters that she's trying to help. Biden already waived executive privilege as to these materials. What's this judge going to do, override him?

Or, she might just be doing what Rinehart did and doing something semi-extraordinary just to avoid any further appearance of "deep state."

I'm not sure it is 100% accurate that Biden has waived executive privilege.  I think he deferred the entire issue to NARA and White House Counsel and the position taken is that executive privilege doesn't even apply to the executive branch of a subsequent administration.

I think that's probably right, but I am happy to have it judicially determined here in the near future.  Now, if she pulls a Reed OConnor and fucks that up, then we'll have something to talk about in terms of Trumpist conspiracies.

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

4 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Seems really improper to insert herself into this. For her to legitimize the "exceptional circumstances" narrative from Trump's camp. For her to demonstrate that a separate, special set of rules apply when you're wealthy and well-connected. People already have record low confidence in the judicial system (thanks justice alito) and buffoons like this erode that confidence even more.

I understand why she would be scared not to bend the knee, but her job is to be impartial and unswayed by threats. If she can't handle it, she should quit.

I mean, if you wanna get down to it, Rinehart legally should have told the affidavit unsealers to fuck right off, probably the warrant unsealers, too.  Instead, he gave em a little more rope.

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29 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I mean, if you wanna get down to it, Rinehart legally should have told the affidavit unsealers to fuck right off, probably the warrant unsealers, too.  Instead, he gave em a little more rope.

That's what I'm saying with these people. You give 'em an inch they try for a nautical mile. It's best not to start this game with them.

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1 hour ago, Mdhorn said:

I enjoy reading everybody's takes, especially TwiceHorns rational thoughts, talking me off the ledge, but after watching what seemed like slam dunk cases involving Trump tampering with elections, jurors, and now intelligence documents, I'd say it's been a hell of a delay up to now.  

And although people have gone to jail, it's not for long stretches by any means for the crimes they committed.  I don't even know if it's much of a deterrent at this point.  Should Manafort and Stone be quaking in their shoes?  How about Flynn? All of these criminals are walking around free.   Now their dipshit followers get nicked but they see it as a righteous offering.  

I'd say as far as all of this has gone, considering the levity, if Trump isn't dangling at the end of a rope, he's won.  He'll probably be sentenced to never running for office, boo fucking hoo.  Meanwhile, his criminal apparatus and blueprints still remain intact.

But I'll wait and see, and if it happens, celebrate like it's 1999.   Till then, sandy vagina and stuff.

 

Most of those you mentioned are walking around because TFG either pardoned or commuted sentences, right?

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1 hour ago, chainsaw said:

That's what I'm saying with these people. You give 'em an inch they try for a nautical mile. It's best not to start this game with them.

Well, in this particular case, they're just engaged in autoerotic asphysxiation in broad daylight in front of God and everyone.

Also, unless this judge really fucks the dog, there's nothing to prevent the classified materials from being turned over to criminal and security investigators, so that will proceed apace.  Some of the contextual-type documents may be delayed a little, although a ketchup-stained McDonalds wrapper next to some TS, SCI, NOFORN, humint stuff won't be the proper subject of an executive privilege claim.

Edited August 28, 2022 by TwiceHorn

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/27/trump-archives-records-war/

 

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In the nearly three weeks since the FBI searched former president Donald Trump’s Florida home to recover classified documents, the National Archives and Records Administration has become the target of a rash of threats and vitriol, according to people familiar with the situation. Civil servants tasked by law with preserving and securing the U.S. government’s records were rattled.

On Wednesday, the agency’s head sent an email to the staff. Though academic and suffuse with legal references, the message from acting archivist Debra Steidel Wall was simple: Stay above the fray and stick to the mission.

 

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“NARA has received messages from the public accusing us of corruption and conspiring against the former President, or congratulating NARA for ‘bringing him down,’ ” Steidel Wall wrote in the agencywide message, which was obtained by The Washington Post. “Neither is accurate or welcome.”

The email capped a year-long saga that has embroiled the Archives — widely known for being featured in the 2004 Nicolas Cage movie, “National Treasure” — in a protracted fight with Trump over classified documents and other records that were taken when he left office.

 

 

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Archives officials have emailed, called and cajoled the former president and his representatives to follow the law and return the documents. When the Archives recovered 15 boxes from Mar-a-Lago in January, agency officials found a mess of disorganized papers lacking any inventory. Highly classified material was mixed in with newspaper clippings and dinner menus. And Archives officials believed more items were still missing.

What happened next was an extraordinary step for America’s record keepers: they referred the matter to the Justice Department, opening a dramatic new chapter in what had been a quietly simmering dispute.

 

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Following the Aug. 8 FBI search, Trump and his allies unleashed a torrent of attacks on one of the most apolitical arms of the federal bureaucracy. “They could have had it anytime they wanted — and that includes LONG ago,” Trump wrote Aug. 12 on his Truth Social website. “ALL THEY HAD TO DO IS ASK. The bigger problem is, what are they going to do with the 33 million pages of documents, many of which are classified, that President Obama took to Chicago?”

Trump was referring inaccurately to unclassified records stored at an Archives facility in suburban Chicago for potential use in Barack Obama’s future presidential library. On Friday, the Hoffman Estates, Ill., Police Department increased patrols around the building after a spike in online chatter regarding the facility, according to a person familiar with the situation. The police department declined to comment. Steidel Wall did not respond to requests for comment.

The political firestorm has revealed the machinations of a central but overlooked part of American democracy — pulling back the curtain on record-keeping practices enshrined into law in 1978 following the Watergate scandal.

“Without the preservation of the records of government, and without access to them, you can’t have an informed population, and without an informed population, you lack one of the basic tools to preserving democracy,” said former acting archivist Trudy Peterson, who expressed concern that Trump’s rhetoric is damaging the public perception of the Archives. “The system won’t work if the neutrality of the National Archives is not protected.”

This portrait of an agency under siege by a former president and his supporters is based on interviews with 14 current and former Archives employees, Trump advisers, historians and others familiar with the escalating dispute, many of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity to reveal internal discussions.

Trump’s recent actions have whipped his followers into a fervor against the Archives, and he has empowered some of his most politically combative allies to represent him in negotiations with the agency. Former presidents’ representatives have typically been lawyers, historians or family members without clear political agendas. The representatives usually deal with issues such as negotiating privilege claims, setting up presidential libraries or researching presidential memoirs.

But this was yet another norm that Trump broke. In June, around the time the Justice Department stepped up its hunt for documents at Mar-a-Lago, Trump assigned two new Archives representatives who focused on publicizing documents they claimed would vindicate Trump and damage the FBI: Kash Patel and John Solomon.

Patel, a former White House and Pentagon aide, has sought for years to discredit the investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russian interference in the 2016 election. He recently has been promoting a children’s book about the scandal that features himself as a wizard who unravels a plot against “King Donald.” He also sells “K$H”-branded swag to raise money for a legal “offense” fund.

After the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago, Patel claimed in social media posts and right-wing media interviews that the search was part of an ongoing effort to cover up those materials.

“It’s always been all about Russia Gate,” Patel said on Trump’s Truth Social platform.

Solomon, who runs the JustTheNews conservative website, published Steidel Wall’s letter to Trump’s legal representatives notifying them of her decision to allow the FBI access to the boxes retrieved in January. He claimed the letter was proof of the White House’s “effort to facilitate a criminal probe of the man Joe Biden beat in the 2020 election.”

The Archives battle to secure records from Trump began while he was still president, according to records reviewed by The Post. Gary M. Stern, the agency’s top lawyer, began asking the former president’s attorneys to return two dozen boxes in the residency of the White House before he left. In an email Stern wrote to others, Trump’s counsel, Pat Cipollone, agreed with him. But Trump did not return them.

For months, Stern emailed and called Trump representatives, urging them to simply send them back, using a mix of pleading and an occasional threat. “We know things are very chaotic,” he wrote in one email in May, after describing all the items the Archives wanted back. “...But it is absolutely necessary that we obtain and account for all presidential records.”

Inside the Archives, the decision to provide the FBI access to the 15 boxes — uncharted territory for the 2,800-person agency — was not made lightly, officials said. Steidel Wall deliberated and consulted with the agency’s tightknit senior leadership team consisting of career civil servants. There are no political appointees currently in leadership. Steidel Wall started at the agency in 1991 as an archivist trainee, working on issues from establishing data standards to digitizing records on floppy disks.

The daughter of a police officer and a nursery schoolteacher on Long Island, she came to Washington to study history and government at Georgetown University, where she developed an interest in silent film, according to an interview with her hometown Suffolk Times. She eventually rose to become the agency’s chief of staff and deputy archivist.

“The people handling this … are career civil servants and have handled many sensitive issues, both for Democratic presidencies and Republican presidencies,” said one former Archives official. “We always tried to walk away from the politics of the situation and do our friggin’ job. … If records are alienated, it doesn’t matter whether it’s a Democrat or a Republican, we need to get them back into the government’s custody. And if there’s wayward classified material, materials are classified for a reason.”

On Saturday, the heads of the House oversight and intelligence committees released a statement saying that Avril Haines, director of national intelligence, had confirmed that the Justice Department and the intelligence community were working to assess the potential damage caused by the improper storage of classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. An affidavit unsealed Friday showed that 184 classified documents were found in the initial 15 boxes of Mar-a-Lago records reviewed by the FBI.

“The DOJ affidavit, partially unsealed yesterday, affirms our grave concern that among the documents stored at Mar-a-Lago were those that could endanger human sources,” Oversight and Reform Committee Chairwoman Carolyn B. Maloney (D-N.Y.) and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) said in a statement. “It is critical that the IC move swiftly to assess and, if necessary, to mitigate the damage done — a process that should proceed in parallel with DOJ’s criminal investigation.”

For most of American history, presidents kept their own papers and their personal ownership had never been challenged, according to a 2006 article co-written by Stern, NARA’s general counsel since 1998.

When Nixon resigned, he made plans to destroy White House records, including the Oval Office tapes that had become central to the Watergate scandal. Congress stepped in and passed the Presidential Records Act, which requires the White House to preserve all written communication related to a president’s official duties — memos, letters, notes, emails, faxes and other material — and turn it over to the Archives.

Disputes over the Nixon tapes continued into the 1990s, with lawsuits by former aides and Cabinet members seeking to block disclosure and from public-interest groups demanding access, according to the article. At the end of the Reagan administration, Stern, then with the American Civil Liberties Union, led a groundbreaking lawsuit seeking to preserve White House records related to the Iran-contra scandal.

Research by presidential representatives have in the past raised security risks. In 2005, former Clinton administration national security adviser Sandy Berger pleaded guilty to removing and destroying classified documents from the Archives related to the 9/11 Commission’s investigation. That case was overseen by Christopher A. Wray, then head of the Justice Department’s Criminal Division and now the Trump-appointed director of the FBI.

“This is not a sleepy agency — NARA staff are used to records-related controversies,” said Jason R. Baron, a professor at the University of Maryland and former director of litigation at NARA. “This matter, however, is unique. No piece of paper that’s a presidential record should be at Mar-a-Lago. It is clear that NARA staff made extraordinary efforts to recover presidential records and was rebuffed on numerous occasions.”

Trump’s disdain and disregard for the presidential record-keeping system he was legally bound to adhere to is well-documented. And while advisers repeatedly warned him about needing to follow the Presidential Records Act early in his presidency, his chaotic handling of the documents prevailed.

NARA’s motto, Littera Scripta Manet, translates from Latin to “the written word remains.” But in Trump’s White House, the written word was often torn, destroyed, misplaced or hoarded.

“Any documents that made it to the White House residence were these boxes Trump carried around with him,” explained Stephanie Grisham, a former senior White House staffer. “Usually the body man would have brought them upstairs for Trump or someone from the outer-Oval at the end of the day. They would get handed off to the residence and just disappear.”

Boxes of documents even came with Trump on foreign travel, following him to hotel rooms around the world — including countries considered foreign adversaries of the United States.

“There was no rhyme or reason — it was classified documents on top of newspapers on top of papers people printed out of things they wanted him to read. The boxes were never organized,” Grisham said. “He’d want to get work done on long trips so he’d just rummage through the boxes. That was our filing system.”

Trump has repeatedly denied any wrongdoing in refusing to turn over documents, at times suggesting that the records are his and should not be given back to the Archives.

However, not even some of Trump’s closest advisers anticipated that what they viewed as a bureaucratic dust-up with archivists would snowball into a serious FBI investigation for potentially violating federal law in removing and retaining classified documents without authorization — a felony punishable by five years in prison.

Archives official John Laster told one Trump adviser late last year that since the Presidential Records Act came into existence, someone had accidentally taken things with them at the end of every presidency.

So when Trump finally agreed to return the 15 boxes to the Archives in January, one adviser involved in the process said: “I really thought that was the end of the story. We assumed he’d given the boxes back.”

Trump’s advisers only realized it was ballooning into a bigger issue when the Archives said that they suspected even more items were missing. “But they wouldn’t tell us what, they said they weren’t entirely sure — they just thought everything hadn’t been given back,” this person added. “No one saw the Archives referring anything to the FBI.”

But the Archive’s work may not yet be done: Some NARA officials believe that there might still be more records missing, according to a person familiar with the matter.

“Our fundamental interest is always in ensuring that government records are properly managed, preserved, and protected to ensure access to them for the life of the Republic,” Steidel Wall told her staff in her email. “We will continue to do our work, without favor or fear, in the service of our democracy.”

 

[tx 3 putt 78,917]

Surly maga GQP suuuuuure being quiet …

 

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Threatening the judge and the FBI, I get.  It's awful and illegal, but at least their lashing out makes sense.  But now they're threatening librarians?  That's where we are as a country?  

The NARA folks studied library-information sciences for years, plugged away for decades at one of the most-unglamarous jobs in a government filled with unglamarous jobs, and meticulously archived and curated important papers of multiple generations for centuries of study in the future.  All to be in a position to one day take down a game show host?  I have that right MAGA nation?  

We're on the brink of another wave of violence in this country because some librarians asked for some overdue books back?  

[Willfully Horn 8,305]

4 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Or, she might just be doing what Rinehart did and doing something semi-extraordinary just to avoid any further appearance of "deep state."

I don’t think the folks that are agitated by these events will know what the nuances you mention mean. What audience are you referring to? Sidney Powell?

Edited August 28, 2022 by Willfully Horn

[henrygandorf 29,231]

he squawked about something on social media, now he’s getting what he asked for. perception at every step of the way matters. this is our concern, dude. 

[Willfully Horn 8,305]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

he squawked about something on social media, now he’s getting what he asked for. perception at every step of the way matters. this is our concern, dude. 

Well, fair enough, in that we will be able to say: it could have been worse, no matter what transpires, I suppose. Though crediting his detractors hasn’t been a noted Trump tactic. 

[Sawbonz 28,271]

My understanding is the more of your requests a judge allows, the fewer items you can appeal on later. Does anyone here  really think the govt is going to give back to Trump any vital document the special master requests?

Edited August 28, 2022 by Sawbonz

[Biff Tannen 46,287]

48 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

My understanding is the more of your requests a judge allows, the fewer items you can appeal on later. Does anyone here  really think the govt is going to give back to Trump any vital document the special master requests?

This is all about delaying and obfuscating, as is everything else he does. You’ve got lawyers that like to do stuff by the book and they let him take advantage of the system. That tweet about Donny wriggling his way out of this one? This is how. Every time. Because we fucking let him. 

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

My understanding is the more of your requests a judge allows, the fewer items you can appeal on later. Does anyone here  really think the govt is going to give back to Trump any vital document the special master requests?

First off, I don't think the judge is going to order anything of the sort.  If she does, then the government will appeal before giving anything back. 

But, the alternative to letting this happen now is for Trump to be able to file a motion to suppress in any criminal case, which has the potential to terminate any such criminal case.  He'll file one anyway, if he's indicted, but it's that much better for "us" if the issues have already been considered and resolved without an indictment on the line.

I'd rather know now. 

I'm also trying to figure out how the government can use this procedure to put a bullet in his "I declassified everything" bullshit, now, instead of later, when it really might matter.

Edited August 28, 2022 by TwiceHorn

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

Also, let's look at the judge a little harder.  First off, her "MAGA" credentials probably aren't that solid, she's an Hispanic, probably Catholic, FedSoc member.  While those types align in some ways with MAGA, they aren't uniformly supporters of Trump lawlessness or the imperial executive.  See, e.g. the denial of certiorari in Trump v. Thompson on executive privilege issues, by the same court that reversed Roe.

Second, she initially expressed a lot of skepticism as to this motion/suit whatever the fuck it is.  Now she is perhaps considering granting the special master request, but like many of us is unsure exactly what the Special Master would do, if anything, which is why the extra briefing has been called for.  Federal district judges don't automatically know this shit.  Those outside of DC, and most in DC, will never in their careers have to deal with executive privilege issues.  At first glance, it seems like super srs business to the extent it's akin to attorney-client privilege.

I think, when she "chases down the issues," she will either deny the Special Master as having no authority to grant meaningful relief because executive privilege flat doesn't apply between the executive branches of two administrations as alleged by NARA, or, alternatively, will identify any such materials to which executive privilege may attach, which will allow the Biden Administration to formally waive any such claim and deny any objection by Trump in the same way as Trump v. Thompson.

I really think I like having this shit resolved in advance of any indictment.  In fact, having it resolved probably smooths the way to indictment.

Edited August 28, 2022 by TwiceHorn

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23 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

 

Asia Janay is a bad ass name for a stripper.

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16 hours ago, texastough said:

It shouldn’t take a special master long to determine what’s trump property and what’s government property out of what the fbi took

Someone has not been paying attention to the blazing speeds our investigators use in the course of their duties.

[Beau Vine 55,915]

Jig's up guys.  We're all going to be arrested on 10/30:

 

[Beau Vine 55,915]

So this is a real tweet thing:

[Pato del Muerto 53,642]

That guy is a little touched, isn’t he?

Edited August 28, 2022 by Pato del Muerto
I’ll leave the subject vague

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

12 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

That guy is a little touched, isn’t he?

I believe "tetched" is the preferred nomenclature.  As in "tetched in the haid." Need @RDCanecutter for a final ruling.

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23 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Jig's up guys.  We're all going to be arrested on 10/30:

 

I thought the alien in the Edgar suit died at the end of "MiB"?  Now he's the go-between from SCOTUS to MAGA nation?   I SMELL REBOOT!

[Neonmoon 38,130]

17 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

So this is a real tweet thing:

Just a dictator asking for loyalists in the FBI to take action 

Coup is still ongoing 

 

[SaucyJack 3,522]

26 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Jig's up guys.  We're all going to be arrested on 10/30:

 

[Red Five 41,814]

I think his version of that history is slightly off. 

[Dutchrudder 11,260]

1 hour ago, Fudge Nuggets said:

Asia Janay is a bad ass name for a stripper.

That sounds like Manti Teo's next girlfriend.

[Homercles 10,206]

43 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

Jig's up guys.  We're all going to be arrested on 10/30:

 

Our resident Trumper lives around the corner from me, and had the works during election time…even parking his Ridgeline (so much for America first) at the edge of his driveway so the ‘Trump is working for you, help him’ sign on it faced the street.  
 

Finally met the guy at a block party last fall.  Dude was pretty similar to the guy in the tweet.  Afterward my wife, with over a decade in the public school system as a counselor, said afterwards ‘yeah that guy is on the spectrum’.  Get that same vibe from stable genius there.  Give people some way to feel special or an insider, and a certain type will latch their ego to it with a tenacious grip.  

[TwiceHorn 32,156]

2 minutes ago, Homercles said:

Our resident Trumper lives around the corner from me, and had the works during election time…even parking his Ridgeline (so much for America first) at the edge of his driveway so the ‘Trump is working for you, help him’ sign on it faced the street.  
 

Finally met the guy at a block party last fall.  Dude was pretty similar to the guy in the tweet.  Afterward my wife, with over a decade in the public school system as a counselor, said afterwards ‘yeah that guy is on the spectrum’.  Get that same vibe from stable genius there.  Give people some way to feel special or an insider, and a certain type will latch their ego to it with a tenacious grip.  

That dude's not just on the spectrum, he's suffering a traumatic brain injury of some type.  Look at his facial expressions.

Tetched in the haid, indeed.

[Surly Bevo 25,902]

Look at his facial expressions.
Tetched in the haid, indeed.

[RomaVicta 30,686]

16 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Or, she might just be doing what Rinehart did and doing something semi-extraordinary just to avoid any further appearance of "deep state."

I'm not sure it is 100% accurate that Biden has waived executive privilege.  I think he deferred the entire issue to NARA and White House Counsel and the position taken is that executive privilege doesn't even apply to the executive branch of a subsequent administration.

I think that's probably right, but I am happy to have it judicially determined here in the near future.  Now, if she pulls a Reed OConnor and fucks that up, then we'll have something to talk about in terms of Trumpist conspiracies.

Two layperson's questions.

1. Is it clear that the privilege he's declaring is exclusively executive privilege? Might it be other legal documents?
2. As executive privilege as I understand it was granted for decision making processes of a president, doesn't the fact of the decision makers having all been replaced by a new administration make that privilege moot?

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Jig's up guys.  We're all going to be arrested on 10/30:
 

[Underdog 29,262]

10/30?  Shit, I better get working on my hooking up with Halle Berry. 

[RDCanecutter 26,993]

41 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I believe "tetched" is the preferred nomenclature.  As in "tetched in the haid." Need @RDCanecutter for a final ruling.

I would have to get the Witch of Endor to call up my foot-washin Baptist Great-Grandmother for dialectal confirmation, but I am sure she would look on him the same as she'd watch a wrung-neck chicken run around in the back yard.