Sark after dark COACHING STAFF thread

[Somnio 751]

Have any of Sark's coaching staff been officially announced, or are we still in speculation mode?

[texifornia 56560]

Just now, Somnio said:

Have any of Sark's coaching staff been officially announced, or are we still in speculation mode?

Speculation mode. But if you wrote in Drayton and Milwee with pen, you probably wouldn't need to open your can of white-out.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

35 minutes ago, Bevo said:

He's not fucking his assistant coaches is he? If so, I would have an entirely different list of candidates and my job interviews would be of a different nature.

 

[Wishbone 4739]

2 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Have any of Sark's coaching staff been officially announced, or are we still in speculation mode?

Yes

[Foosters 17754]

Ahh, we've reached the "wish list collides with reality" stage of the new coaching hire ride.

[Burt Macklin 19000]

9 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

So Tosh is coming as DC?  Because an hour ago TFB was telling us that the smart money was Tosh being a part of Sark's staff here at Texas.

Tosh as DC doesn't excite me a whole lot.

Derrick Ansley as DB coach is intriguing.

I took it more as them back pedaling on their initial stance, just like they’re now doing with Bryce Young. I can’t imagine Lupoi would get hired as the actual DC. Maybe co-DC title and a seven figure salary but that’s it. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

7 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Have any of Sark's coaching staff been officially announced, or are we still in speculation mode?

Nothing official though IT have reported Drayton is 'expected to stay' - they said 'expected' because it is possible that Drayton could choose to leave.  But Sark has apparently decided to keep him on staff if he wants to stay.

Burton said that Milwee will turn down the OC job at Arkansas St. and will follow Sark to Texas.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Hiphopopotamos

[maninblack 7974]

2 hours ago, USMCHorn said:

That's great news.

When I mentioned it yesterday some did not like that. He knows how to identify and develop RBs.

[hookem48 4632]

what if the CFB champiosnhip gets postponed due to covid?

[RGBIII 22798]

2 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

what if the CFB champiosnhip gets postponed due to covid?

I would imagine Sark would leave, think he’s committed to Texas starting Tuesday morning

[Wulaw Horn 18984]

47 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Damn, I think Bama only gave him $50K

I heard 200k. Could well be wrong. 

[taybo20 2815]

1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

I would imagine Sark would leave, think he’s committed to Texas starting Tuesday morning

Yeah I think so as well. The timeline for hiring a, firings and recruiting is only getting smaller

[hookem48 4632]

2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

I would imagine Sark would leave, think he’s committed to Texas starting Tuesday morning

didn't he say he wouldn't be doing any interviews until he got to Austin?

[RGBIII 22798]

2 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

didn't he say he wouldn't be doing any interviews until he got to Austin?

I doubt that, especially in the age of zoom

[Nicole44 22028]

Sark will hopefully put together a solid staff. We have learned thru bitter experience that those hires (and other shit) can break u. I’m still whelmed but happy TH is gone. Sark has my support. Hook’em🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[Mo Horn 8808]

4 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

didn't he say he wouldn't be doing any interviews until he got to Austin?

He said he would balance his time working on both. But honestly, at this point there's not a lot to work on with the Alabama offense. Just keep doing what you've been doing. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

5 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Holy ducking shit dude. Yes- bc that was said in complete seriousness. 

it was said in complete seriousness. -On Texags like 6 years ago. 

[maninblack 7974]

2 hours ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

With regard to Raymond.... are we okay with whatever his involvement was with the LSU mess? 

[oldhorn2 430]

as long as it aint Muscamp I am all in....

 

[Mo Horn 8808]

4 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Sark will hopefully put together a solid staff. We have learned thru bitter experience that those hires (and other shit) can break u. I’m still whelmed but happy TH is gone. Sark has my support. Hook’em🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼

[Duane Moore 5236]

23 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

I am a fan of that list

You just have to go way down it before you find someone that he recruited since he’s been at Tennessee. He’s definitely gettable, his contract is up, and there is friction with him and Pruitt. He and Jay Graham were the only coaches to agree to Covid-related pay reductions for the staff this year, when all the other coaches didn’t. Then it got leaked to the press and it was a moderate kerfuffle in Knoxville. People think Tee was the leaker. His recruiting rep has fallen off, not sure if he no longer has the drive for it (I don’t blame him), but maybe he would benefit from moving to Austin where he would have a better chance of pulling players from SoCal than he could to Knoxville. 

[Wulaw Horn 18984]

4 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

it was said in complete seriousness. -On Texags like 6 years ago. 

I don’t have the IQ of a potato. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

3 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I don’t have the IQ of a potato. 

Touché

[Dbeasy 14980]

57 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

Good enough for Saban not good enough for Texas.  This is how you Surl

Speaking of which, check out the resume of Saban’s Defensive Coordinator. Very underwhelming. 

[HtownHorn 14497]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Valai sucks. Our cornerback play was bad this year even late in the season. 
 

if you have a chance to hire Raymond then you can Valai yesterday. 

Someone gets it. Same with Giles. He had some good recruiting, but the 4 man rush never materialized.

[Darth Tron 1122]

42 minutes ago, RichUT said:

You give Tosh a position group (DL), some sort of elevated title, and plenty of cash. If he says yes, great. If he insists on being the DC, then we need to move on.

This is correct.  The need to have a bagman does not outweigh the need to coordinate the defense.

[maninblack 7974]

1 hour ago, golfclap said:

That’s how you end up with Charlie Weiss, Bill O’Brien, Al Groh, Romeo Crennel, Jeremy Pruitt ... 

We didn't hire any of those as HC

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

14 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Speaking of which, check out the resume of Saban’s Defensive Coordinator. Very underwhelming. 

Yeah, but his 'wet hair' game is on point.

[HtownHorn 14497]

1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

So Tosh is coming as DC?  Because an hour ago TFB was telling us that the smart money was Tosh being a part of Sark's staff here at Texas.

Tosh as DC doesn't excite me a whole lot.

Derrick Ansley as DB coach is intriguing.

Tosh as the DC scares me, would he be able to manage the wide open offenses of the Big 12. His 2018 defense was shredded by Clemson and a freshmen QB. He would face similar offenses, though not the skill level, on a weekly basis in the Big 12.

Edited January 3, 2021 by HtownHorn

[Chili dog 1787]

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

The wanting to hire Stoops thing was a massive red flag and screamed of the kind of cronyism that plagued the last two coaches, but I’m glad he was talked out of it. 

Do we know if he was legitimately looking at stoops, or was he or stoops floating stoops’s name to get other schools to show interest? 

[RGBIII 22798]

I can’t imagine a scenario where Tosh is the sole DC. Co-DC title without play calling responsibility seems much more likely and I hope it happens 

[maninblack 7974]

1 hour ago, RGBIII said:

Source didn’t have a definitive answer but said he believes if Tosh were to take a position at Texas he would “bet” it would be as a DC.

Tosh wasn't great as a DC for Bama and was replaced. Have to imagine that's well known by Sark.

[ruitxn 295]

2 hours ago, DoneWithit said:

Sark doing the little things right as well. 

Adult

[BurntOrange&White 39700]

5 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

I can’t imagine a scenario where Tosh is the sole DC. Co-DC title without play calling responsibility seems much more likely and I hope it happens 

this

[closetohumping 17408]

2 hours ago, jdhorn92 said:

Sark has better buddies.  Strong really didnt have many connections. Herman's were unproven and turned out to be very weak coaches, as compared to other power 5 programs of our caliber.

Pretty sure herman went the yes man route.  Some leaders don’t want to hire people that could threaten them 

[maninblack 7974]

On a hire like Tosh, at his salary, it'd require some title shenanigans. A redemption shot at actually being the cook doesn't seem like a risk I'd take if I was Sark. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

12 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Pretty sure herman went the yes man route.  Some leaders don’t want to hire people that could threaten them 

I mentioned this on another thread - but there is a world of difference between Herman's experience and Sark's.  I don't think it was as much Herman hired 'yes men' as much as Herman just didn't have very many years at big time college football programs.  His 3 years at Ohio St were really the only experience he had - and of the contacts he had there that were available - he took them.  I don't think he had the maturity or confidence to hire established people outside of his 'bubble'.

Herman climbed the ladder at smaller less prestigious schools -  moving from SHSU, Rice, Texas State, and on to Iowa State before Ohio State.

Sark on the other hand has worked at and excelled at big time programs from Day 1.  USC, Washington, Alabama, and in the NFL.   His rolodex is filled with bigger names with more experience.

Edited January 3, 2021 by Hiphopopotamos

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

5 minutes ago, maninblack said:

On a hire like Tosh, at his salary, it'd require some title shenanigans. A redemption shot at actually being the cook doesn't seem like a risk I'd take if I was Sark. 

Had to wiki because I couldn't remember Tosh's resume.  But, yeah, I'm not handing the defense to a guy who has all of one year experience as a DC - I don't care how good a recruiter he is.  Its one thing for defensive mastermind Saban to do that - its quite another when the HC is the OC/offensive mastermind who will likely have little input in the running of the defense.

[pearlandhorn 3269]

2 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

I mentioned this on another thread - but there is a world of difference between Herman's experience and Sark's.  I don't think it was as much Herman hired 'yes men' as much as Herman just didn't have very many years at big time college football programs.  His 3 years were really the only experience he had - and of the contacts he had there that were available - he took them.  I don't think he had the maturity or confidence to hire established people outside of his 'bubble'.

Herman climbed the ladder at smaller less prestigious schools -  moving from SHSU, Rice, Texas State, and on to Iowa State before Ohio State.

Sark on the other hand has worked at and excelled at big time programs from Day 1.  USC, Washington, Alabama, and in the NFL.   His rolodex is filled with bigger names with more experience.

This is what has me more excited about this hire than I was initially.

[blacklab 11852]

this thread is not about herman, I'll let the posts above slide as they are tangentically on topic, but need to stop with talking about herman

[South Austin 52166]

2 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

His rolodex is filled with bigger names with more experience.

The fact that we just hired a coach who in the year 2021 still maintains his contacts in a Rolodex sends up huge red flags. I don’t know, guys.

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

The fact that we just hired a coach who in the year 2021 still maintains his contacts in a Rolodex sends up huge red flags. I don’t know, guys.

Digital rolodex.  And it has names like Tosh, Banks, Flood, Colbert, Wiggins... so we'll allow it.

[Nicole44 22028]

Seeing a lot of MSM “articles” regarding Holmon Wiggins coming to Texas with Sark. Over/under on how many times we spell out Sarkisian? Lol.

[NoName 16321]

28 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

I can’t imagine a scenario where Tosh is the sole DC. Co-DC title without play calling responsibility seems much more likely and I hope it happens 

At this point they should have Co OC and DCs just to get those guys more money

[Tex-19 2869]

8 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Had to wiki because I couldn't remember Tosh's resume.  But, yeah, I'm not handing the defense to a guy who has all of one year experience as a DC - I don't care how good a recruiter he is.  Its one thing for defensive mastermind Saban to do that - its quite another when the HC is the OC/offensive mastermind who will likely have little input in the running of the defense.

Not only that, his one year as a DC was not a good one. Saban jettisoned him after that. Fine to give him a token "co" title but absolutely don't hand him the keys.

And Hutzler already has the co title so you'd have to strip that if he stayed. I'd be good with Hutzler tbh assuming some of these other stud recruiters come true.

Also, he may not be so picky when he's out of a job in a few days

Edited January 3, 2021 by Tex-19

[Stunns38 3357]

Regarding Muschamp’s timing issue, maybe it’s because he wants to take a year off period. Maybe he thought this job wouldn’t be open for another year. Just speculating.

[ruitxn 295]

1 hour ago, Burt Macklin said:

Sure but the counterpoint is that Saban looked at Wiggins time at Memphis/VT and decided it was worthy of being on the best staff in the country, and it doesn’t seem like he’s done anything to change that in the last two years. 
 

Im in wait and see mode on Sark’s overall hires. He has an insanely good network of coaches, but I do hope he goes outside that some. The wanting to hire Stoops thing was a massive red flag and screamed of the kind of cronyism that plagued the last two coaches, but I’m glad he was talked out of it. I need to see who else he targets before I can have more of an opinion on it. 

I don’t think the Stoops thing came directly from Stark. Conjecture based on who available is in his circle at Bama.

 

1 hour ago, RGBIII said:

TFB 

I’m waiting for confirmation on this but have no reason to doubt it. RB is exactly one of the positions you can easily retain. From here on out it’ll be much more difficult.

***I did ask a source close to Bryce Young about whether Bryce Young would follow Sark to Texas. Source said he did not believe it was likely especially if Mac leaves. But I’m going to speak to a second source before I shut the door on the possibility.

***Also, spoke to a source in the know on things NFL who also happens to have ties Tosh Lupoi. Source didn’t have a definitive answer but said he believes if Tosh were to take a position at Texas he would “bet” it would be as a DC.

***As I mentioned in the comments section on the previous post, the issue with retaining Ash is you may have a much more difficult time getting Saban guys.

***Tosh was the Alabama DC and is now coaching in the league. I could be wrong but unless he’s just itching to spend his offseason recruiting, then why come back to be a position coach under a DC you’ve never worked with under a defense that ranked 7th in in total yards per game in the Big 12 and last in passing yards per game. Just doesn’t seem like a good gamble considering he was Alabama’s DC only two years ago.

***I haven’t formally heard he’s a candidate but I did speak to a media partner we work with in the Tennessee market and he told me that Tennessee’s DC, Derrick Ansley wants out at Tennessee (as I’m sure others do). As you may know, Ansley coached with Tosh and Sark at Alabama. Ansley was the secondary coach. Just based on the connection to Sark and Tosh, it would make more sense to me to imagine a combination of Tosh and Ansley. But that is just an opinion. I have reached out to someone close to Ansley to see if there has been any contact. If I get something substantive, I’ll pass that along.

Thanks for the post.  Everything you’ve posted here makes sense to me.

[Reese Bennett 3605]

Make everyone a co-coordinator and then have Sark set the hierarchy among them. 

[WBT 20431]

9 minutes ago, NoName said:

At this point they should have Co OC and DCs just to get those guys more money

Why do titles matter?  We can't pay the towel boy $1MM if we want?

Edited January 3, 2021 by WBT

[Mitch Cumsteen 18524]

 

6 minutes ago, WBT said:

Why do titles matter?  We can't pay the towel boy $1MM if we want?

I'm a huge fan of titles. DL coach and Assistant Head Coach / Pass Rush Coordinator and Lead Bag Dropper