Sark after dark COACHING STAFF thread

[UncleBuck 6,455]

Is Colbert confirmed/imminent?

Never coached under Sark so it isn’t a “Sark guy” thing. It’s an odd lateral move - perhaps he’s getting one of them fancy co OC or recruiting titles. Same reason I’m skeptical on Corey Raymond though.

Not a Sark “coaching” guy, but a WR at USC while Sark was there coaching QBs.

[FloridaHorn 4,776]

5 minutes ago, TexasFan21 said:

Cross posting as it may be relevant to assistant money pool.

 

That seems like a bargain, especially if the rumored numbers raised for the hiring are true. This means there is a huge pile of money available for assistants.

[RGBIII 22,840]

1 minute ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Hopefully our assistant coaching staff budget is around 10 million. Hopefully we have no limit on support staff.

Yep plus facility upgrades. Our talks with Urban were probably extremely beneficial on those type of fronts, basically we got an audience with one of the best coaches ever as a damn near consultant. He told us where we were lacking and what we need to have improved to be better

[gmr548 16,617]

He was the QB coach at USC when Colbert was a player

Pretty tangential given it was almost 20 years ago and Colbert was a WR. Definitely not on the comfort hire level of some of the Strong/Herman hires. Wouldn’t be an obvious explanation for him wanting to make that lateral move. It’d have to be stupid amount of money for a WR coach or just thinking Helton isn’t the guy.

[FloridaHorn 4,776]

4 minutes ago, Getafix said:

 

If there were such a rule, we would probably still have Strong.  Or Herm.

 

Totally different situations. Both of those buffoons were the HC, and simply brought their guys. Sark is an assistant who would be poaching a current HC staff.

[RGBIII 22,840]

10 minutes ago, TexasFan21 said:

Cross posting as it may be relevant to assistant money pool.

 

2021 - $5.2 million

2022 - $5.4 million

2023 - $5.6 million

2024 - $5.8 million

2025 - $6 million

2026 - $6.2 million

[UncleBuck 6,455]

Pretty tangential given it was almost 20 years ago and Colbert was a WR. Definitely not on the comfort hire level of some of the Strong/Herman hires.

No doubt, but maybe a guy who has stayed in contact with Sark. I don’t mind these types of things like some, it’s common even with successful coaches. Just get it right.

[gmr548 16,617]

No doubt, but maybe a guy who has stayed in contact with Sark. I don’t mind these types of things like some, it’s common even with successful coaches. Just get it right.

Agreed, coaches bring their guys. I’m more thinking about why he’d want to make the latter move from USC when that’s his alma mater and also a blue blood.

[texifornia 57,202]

What? No. Stop.

 

[maninblack 7,974]

1 hour ago, Richter said:

Are we sure Giles is out?

Pretty positive and we should all pray to Chutlu that it's true

[Dbeasy 15,162]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

So I know CFB is all cut-throat and stuff, but is there not an unwritten rule that you don't take large chunks of the staff with you when you depart? It's not that I don't like the Alabama assistants, but it seems really strange that there's no anti-poaching clauses. Maybe that's what you guys were referring to with the special titles? No lateral poaching?

No info, just a guess, but I continue to believe Saban is retiring, and Sark didn’t want to follow a legend. 

[UncleBuck 6,455]

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I’m more thinking about why he’d want to make the latter move from USC when that’s his alma mater and also a blue blood.

Why I'm thinking he could be a guy who has stayed in contact with Sark, maybe Sark being a mentor he wants to coach with. 

[Bevo14 8,388]

1 minute ago, texifornia said:

What? No. Stop.

 

Fuck off, wescott

[Elmer_Fudd 22,339]

1 hour ago, RGBIII said:

Banks and Flood alone is boned worthy and better than anyone Chuck or Tom had on their initial staffs

Yep.  Going from Herman's initial OL/TE hires of Warehime/Meekins to potentially Flood/Banks is night and day difference.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Elmer_Fudd

[Elmer_Fudd 22,339]

NM

Edited January 5, 2021 by Elmer_Fudd

[BornAndRaised 12,343]

https://footballscoop.com/news/update-on-steve-sarkisians-offensive-staff-at-texas/

Kyle Flood: Offensive coordinator/offensive line
AJ Milwee: Quarterbacks
Stan Drayton: Running backs
Holmon Wiggins: Wide receivers

[BurntOrange&White 40,061]

2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

What? No. Stop.

 

Do they not realize that a lot of the prospective hires have recruited Texas a really high level? Jesus Christ some of these fucking people...

[JOSEYWALES66 1,805]

1 minute ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Yep.  Going from Herman's initial OL/TE hires of Warehime/Meekins to Flood/Banks is already big time.

Yeah, that is a massive improvement.

I still think that if Herman hadn't screwed up his initial staff he would still be here.

[Bevo14 8,388]

Just now, JOSEYWALES66 said:

Yeah, that is a massive improvement.

I still think that if Herman hadn't screwed up his initial staff he would still be here.

Yeah it makes me think we should never hire a g5 coach again, regardless of their success. I don't want to deal with that nonsense again.

[Dbeasy 15,162]

Just now, JOSEYWALES66 said:

Yeah, that is a massive improvement.

I still think that if Herman hadn't screwed up his initial staff he would still be here.

Agree. People will look past conduct, personality, etc as long as the results on the field are there. 

[LTtxfan 49,387]

13 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Wow thats cheaper than Herman  right? 5.7AAV  sure is a smaller number than Urban at 12M...If that is allocated to assistants we are getting fuckin ERRRRRRRRBODY!

Yeah, assuming Donors pay all the buyouts the annual salaries for the new staff + Head Coach  probably won't be much higher than the 2020 season except at DC since Ash was on the cheap plan while still getting Rutgers money.

Hope more future HC/assistants contracts are lower on gtys,  but provide possibility of higher compensation thru incentives...

[texifornia 57,202]

Aaaaaand already walked it back (though we could just retain Shipley, who's good at his job)

 

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3,868]

19 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Pretty tangential given it was almost 20 years ago and Colbert was a WR. Definitely not on the comfort hire level of some of the Strong/Herman hires. Wouldn’t be an obvious explanation for him wanting to make that lateral move. It’d have to be stupid amount of money for a WR coach or just thinking Helton isn’t the guy.

Both were on Bama's staff on Sark's first tour.

EDIT- I'm wrong Colbert was there the two years before Sark.

Edited January 5, 2021 by ShaggyBevo RIP

[RGBIII 22,840]

[Hiphopopotamos 20,891]

4 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Aaaaaand already walked it back (though we could just retain Shipley, who's good at his job)

 

They could just keep Shipley.

[The Beast 585]

12 minutes ago, texifornia said:

What? No. Stop.

 

well we have a winner for dumbest shit said today and it's early.

[Gene Parmesan 4,016]

3 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

Yeah it makes me think we should never hire a g5 coach again, regardless of their success. I don't want to deal with that nonsense again.

It's just a gamble regardless.  There is no magic way other than having the greatest coaches fall in your lap a la Meyer/Saban.  

[FloridaHorn 4,776]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

They could just keep Shipley.

lol...pretty sure that what your quoted post says.

[closetohumping 17,503]

25 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Is Colbert confirmed/imminent?

Never coached under Sark so it isn’t a “Sark guy” thing. It’s an odd lateral move - perhaps he’s getting one of them fancy co OC or recruiting titles. Same reason I’m skeptical on Corey Raymond though.

I think Sark coached him.  Have him recruit the west coast with sark and possibly lupoi and watch out

[Hiphopopotamos 20,891]

7 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Yeah, assuming Donors pay all the buyouts the annual salaries for the new staff + Head Coach  probably won't be much higher than the 2020 season except at DC since Ash was on the cheap plan while still getting Rutgers money.

Hope more future HC/assistants contracts are lower on gtys,  but provide possibility of higher compensation thru incentives...

Yes, but we won't be paying top OC money like we were paying Yurcich.

Regardless I don't think money for assistants will be a problem.

[maninblack 7,974]

6 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Aaaaaand already walked it back (though we could just retain Shipley, who's good at his job)

 

That motherfucker is such an idiot

[Hiphopopotamos 20,891]

1 minute ago, FloridaHorn said:

lol...pretty sure that what your quoted post says.

Fuck me.  Did he edit that or am I just fucking blind?  Did not see that at all.

[LTtxfan 49,387]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

They could just keep Shipley.

Yeah, really want Shipley to stay for a lot of reasons including the Texas High School Football Coaching relationships...

[BurntOrange&White 40,061]

Just now, Hiphopopotamos said:

Yes, but we won't be paying top OC money like we were paying Yurcich.

Regardless I don't think money for assistants will be a problem.

I think whatever Urban told them in this process as someone mentioned earlier humbled and educated some of the powers at Texas in regards to staff(assistants/support), facilities, and etc.

[Pig Bellmont 8,745]

13 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

https://footballscoop.com/news/update-on-steve-sarkisians-offensive-staff-at-texas/

Kyle Flood: Offensive coordinator/offensive line
AJ Milwee: Quarterbacks
Stan Drayton: Running backs
Holmon Wiggins: Wide receivers

This would be great

[Spawn of Cthulhu 2,241]

16 minutes ago, maninblack said:

Pretty positive and we should all pray to Chutlu that it's true

I'll give dad a call.

[BurntOrange&White 40,061]

Just now, Spawn of Cthulhu said:

I'll give dad a call.

So you're the squid on Twitter? 

[texifornia 57,202]

2 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Fuck me.  Did he edit that or am I just fucking blind?  Did not see that at all.

In this case... blind haha

[FloridaHorn 4,776]

4 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Fuck me.  Did he edit that or am I just fucking blind?  Did not see that at all.

Found Herman's sock...Reading is really, really hard.

 

[6th Street 6,509]

Can Curt Flood recruit? 

[Bevo 13,609]

7 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

It's just a gamble regardless.  There is no magic way other than having the greatest coaches fall in your lap a la Meyer/Saban.  

Always go with the odds.

[RGBIII 22,840]

FWIW Gerry Hamilton liked my reply about Raymond wanting out due to the investigation...sidenote like my new profile picture on IT?

[BornAndRaised 12,343]

34 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Recruiting profiles

https://247sports.com/Coach/Jeff-Banks-756/ (Currently the #3 recruiter for 2021....)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Tee-Martin-180/AllTimeRecruits/ (ELEVEN!!!!! 5 Stars on his resume)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Keary-Colbert-1776/  (Not great but I will give him a pass with USC not being an easy sell, still young and has NFL skins on the wall)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Kyle-Flood-548/ (Not the prettiest list but that is due to his time at Rutgers)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Holmon-Wiggins-1468/ (Has all the success in the world to sell and its just an OK list, recruiting is the biggest knock on him)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Brad-Davis-3600/ (Actual decent list for where he is at)

@6th Street

[closetohumping 17,503]

8 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

It's just a gamble regardless.  There is no magic way other than having the greatest coaches fall in your lap a la Meyer/Saban.  

This is also why I advocated for a guy like Sark over Fickell.  We have no idea how Fickell would've done at a big time program.  Sark knows what it takes.

[hookemATL 11,944]

3 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Can Curt Flood recruit? 

No, but he can hit for average and is a plus center fielder.

 

he is dead tho...

[NoName 16,423]

8 hours ago, Modessit said:

8 hours ago, NorLa Horns said:

I'm not implying it. Danny Davis was flat out saying it. And Mike Finger also. 
And then way it was said, it implied that the racist angle was the driving force behind the move to fire Herman. 
This is what print does. They are too lazy to develop sources. So the vomit out day old news, piss on the program. And create fake outrage to drive interest. 

FCB was on the Horn right after Sark's Zoom intro and said that Herman was dead man walking with the BMDs after losing to Oklahoma and the viral photo of Sam by himself for the Eyes. Supposedly lots of BMDs were pissed about it and called CDC. Also apparently CDC and Herman had a couple meetings about the Eyes with CDC emphasizing that all players needed to be out there and that Herman didn't take it seriously. (Wasn't clear whether that happened before or after OU.) After that, nothing short of a CCG win was going to save his ass.

this aligns with what i know third hand about a group that started talking after OU, started reaching out more than they already were and started writing group letters to the President and CC'ing CDC.

[6th Street 6,509]

1 minute ago, BornAndRaised said:

@6th Street

Holy shit, the Rutgers to Texas pipeline lives on!

[LTtxfan 49,387]

36 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Is Colbert confirmed/imminent?

Never coached under Sark so it isn’t a “Sark guy” thing. It’s an odd lateral move - perhaps he’s getting one of them fancy co OC or recruiting titles. Same reason I’m skeptical on Corey Raymond though.

Keary Colbert was an Offensive Analyst at USC while Sark was Head Coach right??

 

Edited January 5, 2021 by LTtxfan
typo

[Rokotosh 62]

Has there been any more noise on  S&C coach? Since there is a lack of noise I'm wondering if it is a similar situation as the Offensive staff and Sark has identified and a verbal yes from someone already.

[RGBIII 22,840]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

this aligns with what i know third hand about a group that started talking after OU, started reaching out more than they already were and started writing group letters to the President and CC'ing CDC.

IT said the convo began after Tech and TCU and OU just confirmed it entirely