Sark after dark COACHING STAFF thread

[BurntOrange&White 40048]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I get we are going to do it but can he just shut up about it? christ on a cracker.

Texas media and 995ers are in for a world of hurt.  They're going to be put in a position where they either stfu or directly harm the university far more than ever before.

Edited January 7, 2021 by BurntOrange&White

[Earl Haffler 597]

4 minutes ago, Getafix said:

 

I feel the same, but I also wonder whether my reaction is just reflexive stereotyping (long time in the NFL, can he keep up with the craziness of modern college offenses?), or whether that has actually proven to be true.

Any recent examples come to mind?

Gerg?

[Tex-19 2885]

13 minutes ago, Machinator said:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-steve-sarkisian-making-strong-push-to-hire-key-lsu-assistant/

My favorite assistant target but this screams agent pushing for a raise..

[Butch Had Not 2994]

10 minutes ago, Octavian said:

This reads "I want a raise"

 

Would definitely be A M A Z I N G if he came though

I'm tired of this trope. How did Mullen's raise work out? 

Not that it doesn't happen but I would think that LSU would not be dumb enough to fall for that again....or would they?

[FloridaHorn 4769]

1 minute ago, orangecat92 said:

With Flood, can we say without a doubt this is a better coaching staff than Herm or Charlie?  If so how much better?  Like waaaay better, like the staff difference alone should account for 1 or 2 additional victories?  I wasn’t paying attention in 98.  How does this staff compare to Mack’s staff?  

Look at it this way.

 

Sarkisian is regarded as an offensive genius and superb play caller. (that is better than what we just had with Yurchich and Herman)

Flood is widely considered one of the best o line coaches in the country. (Hand....really?)

Gideon, is a bright up and comer, but young and full of enthusiasm. (Jay Boulware was a toad)

Bo Davis, at minimum, is a coaching equal to Giles, but runs circles around his lazy ass on the recruiting trail.

 

In my opinion, if he stops hiring, his staff would still be light years ahead of Herman or Charlie, and on par or better than Mack's as well.

[Mitch Cumsteen 18594]

14 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

VBs mom...sounds like Bo Davis is confirmed

Or Wayne Fontes. 

[Sir Ulrich 5191]

1 minute ago, Tex-19 said:

My favorite assistant target but this screams agent pushing for a raise..

That whole staff will be gone in a year due to the minimal success and the rapes they let happen. He can get out a year early and avoid the mess by leaving now

 

[closetohumping 17482]

2 minutes ago, Butch Had Not said:

I'm tired of this trope. How did Mullen's raise work out? 

Not that it doesn't happen but I would think that LSU would not be dumb enough to fall for that again....or would they?

Ever been to Louisiana?  Not exactly Ivy League south.

[nycHorn 3044]

Bobby talking bagmen now...

[BurntOrange&White 40048]

2 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

My favorite assistant target but this screams agent pushing for a raise..

Normally I'd agree but with so much turnover and everyone bailing on LSU. Couple that with the two investigations ongoing.

[Bill Lumbergh 7187]

My favorite assistant target but this screams agent pushing for a raise..

I agree, but the only thing that makes it not a pipe dream is the shit show happening at lsu right now. It has to be the most dramatic collapse of a program following a nc in history.

You'd have to think anyone on that staff would at least have a conversation at this point.

[NTVTXN 1432]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

I’m with you. I think if you read further in the thread you’ll see where that is clarified. 

Yup. Noted. 

And this, my friends, is why “multi/tasking” (In this case trying to keep up with the going’s on of TX Football and that annoying thing called “work”) is NOT always a proficient way to go about things. 
Bottom Line - Shit gets missed.

[closetohumping 17482]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Normally I'd agree but with so much turnover and everyone bailing on LSU. Couple that with the two investigations ongoing.

Also does Raymond want to work under a guy like Freeman or Arnett? 

[Bill Lumbergh 7187]

Anyone asking if this staff is better than Charlie or Tom's initial staffs based on the hires so far: do you see Shawn Watson on the list? Tim Beck?

Simply not having those two means this staff is better, no matter who else is hired.

[futureman 22554]

what about Jerry Gray

[Hobbes 18]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Also does Raymond want to work under a guy like Freeman or Arnett? 

I can not imagine the feasibility of trying to recruit over a guy like Raymond without a DC already hired. Raymond could go anywhere why would he risk going to Texas with an uncertain DC?

[Newy25 7703]

The mere fact that there is a legitimate coaching search involving some of the best coaches out there tells me this is a completely different approach than Strong and Herman’s initial staff. 

[Gut Wagon 8087]

Bobby's talk of splitting S&C into separate jobs held by separate guys strikes me as a solid move. I mean, as long as S isn't Lex Luger and C isn't Lance Armstrong.

[nycHorn 3044]

Also does Raymond want to work under a guy like Freeman or Arnett? 

He’s just been in close proximity with Pellini. What do you think?

[TexasFan21 1275]

1 minute ago, Hobbes said:

I can not imagine the feasibility of trying to recruit over a guy like Raymond without a DC already hired. Raymond could go anywhere why would he risk going to Texas with an uncertain DC?

Could this be a situation where he get the Co-DC tag with someone like Arnett? 

[FloridaHorn 4769]

Just now, Gut Wagon said:

Bobby's talk of splitting S&C into separate jobs held by separate guys strikes me as a solid move. I mean, as long as S isn't Lex Luger and C isn't Lance Armstrong.

Why would this be a bad thing? (I mean aside from the 1 nut part)

[Machinator 32099]

If Raymond doesn't leave this cycle, he's probably close to being a lifer.

Edit: or some school says fuck it and makes him a playcalling DC.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Machinator

[Getafix 28823]

16 minutes ago, Machinator said:

It's a Pete Carroll DC thing. Most of his coaching tree are currently failing or stagnant as DCs, with the notable exception of Robert Saleh, who's in line for an NFL HC job.

 

Ah, okay, thanks.

[Wiler77 1578]

12 minutes ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

Or Wayne Fontes. 

LOL.  I had to look up if he was still alive.  He is, and turns 81 next month.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Wiler77

[Zeus 6171]

5 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

I don’t know what to think about this

long as we ain't playing Tom Brady

[dcar00 14380]

4 minutes ago, Gut Wagon said:

Bobby's talk of splitting S&C into separate jobs held by separate guys strikes me as a solid move. I mean, as long as S isn't Lex Luger and C isn't Lance Armstrong.

you wouldn't want the best of all time at covering up "illegal" stuff?

[closetojumping 62891]

Just now, TexasFan21 said:

Could this be a situation where he get the Co-DC tag with someone like Arnett? 

You’re on to something important. Guys like Lupoi and probably Raymond are not coming, should they come, without significant title inflation and the commensurate salaries. So, maybe that is what needs to be sorted with the actually-playcalling DC, the admin, Sarkisian and the candidates. The guys already announced wouldn’t be as relevant in that regard. If you’re keeping Hutzler and bringing on Gideon and Davis, all 3 are less complicated hires than some of the other names considered for roles. 

[NTVTXN 1432]

6 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

The mere fact that there is a legitimate coaching search involving some of the best coaches out there tells me this is a completely different approach than Strong and Herman’s initial staff. 

Estes. 

[USNALonghorn 5078]

13 minutes ago, Earl Haffler said:

Gerg?

Gerg is a far more mature and polished version of Chris Ash. Simple scheme with a heavy focus on sound fundamentals that allows superior athletes to play fast. If only he was younger.

I find it funny (and sad) that Charlie Strong didn’t want to keep him because he brought fucking Vance Be_for_ with him...

[closetohumping 17482]

8 minutes ago, Newy25 said:

The mere fact that there is a legitimate coaching search involving some of the best coaches out there tells me this is a completely different approach than Strong and Herman’s initial staff. 

As I've said many times, I was super excited about Tom until I heard that Warehime, Meekins, Washington, etc got off the plane with him.

[Bevo14 8382]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You’re on to something important. Guys like Lupoi and probably Raymond are not coming, should they come, without significant title inflation and the commensurate salaries. So, maybe that is what needs to be sorted with the actually-playcalling DC, the admin, Sarkisian and the candidates. The guys already announced wouldn’t be as relevant in that regard. If you’re keeping Hutzler and bringing on Gideon and Davis, all 3 are less complicated hires than some of the other names considered for roles. 

Just make up some new names.

"Minister of BDE"

"Ultra Assistant Associate Head Coach"

"McRib Chancellor"

[Scholz 11970]

27 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

And what do they mean here by "If he leaves it's likely to be with Saban's blessings"? 

[RandomIdoit 657]

2 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

As I've said many times, I was super excited about Tom until I heard that Warehime, Meekins, Washington, etc got off the plane with him.

I was super disappointed with Sark until I saw the names rumored to be on the staff. I dun goofed. 

[General Specific 3271]

Just make up some new names.
"Minister of BDE"
"Ultra Assistant Associate Head Coach"
"McRib Chancellor"

AVP of _______

Lots of words can fill in that blank!

[ClubWhatever 12159]

3 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

As I've said many times, I was super excited about Tom until I heard that Warehime, Meekins, Washington, etc got off the plane with him.

Why you need a real AD.   At the time we just had a racquet club lawyer. 

[TexasFan21 1275]

3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

You’re on to something important. Guys like Lupoi and probably Raymond are not coming, should they come, without significant title inflation and the commensurate salaries. So, maybe that is what needs to be sorted with the actually-playcalling DC, the admin, Sarkisian and the candidates. The guys already announced wouldn’t be as relevant in that regard. If you’re keeping Hutzler and bringing on Gideon and Davis, all 3 are less complicated hires than some of the other names considered for roles. 

Exactly. The FootballScoop article mentioned "Sources tell FootballScoop that Sark has made a very strong offer to bring LSU defensive backs coach Corey Raymond to Texas." This implies we are either throwing money around $1M mark or money + title elevation) 

I am surprised he only made $575K in 2020. Seems like Texas could throw $900K-$1M to him and it would be a no brainer. Gets out of an uncertain situation and it paired with a new, legit staff.

[UncleSonny 6573]

My head tells me to be skeptical about Raymond as well, but another reason to be slightly hopeful is we really haven’t heard of any other candidates for CB coach right?

[Machinator 32099]

If you want an idea of what the top defensive assistants (who don't call plays) make, Larry Johnson and Greg Mattison make $1.1M at Ohio State.

[Burt Macklin 19053]

32 minutes ago, Machinator said:

It's a Pete Carroll DC thing. Most of his coaching tree are currently failing or stagnant as DCs, with the notable exception of Robert Saleh, who's in line for an NFL HC job.

Their Cover 3 scheme is very basic and only works with an elite pass rush.  Even Saleh’s gotten chewed up in games where he has a lot of DL injuries. The Seahawks defense was horrible early this year but has come around more since they added Dunlap and their pass rush has improved. Probably wouldn’t be great for us since we’re losing our best pass rusher and don’t have someone to replace him. 

[NoName 16409]

1 minute ago, Machinator said:

If you want an idea of what the top defensive assistants (who don't call plays) make, Larry Johnson and Greg Mattison make $1.1M at Ohio State.

not even kidding, i would offer Larry Johnson $1.5m in a heartbeat

[orangecat92 306]

Put it on a grade scale.  I am putting Herms staff at D.

SS staff will be A? A-?

Grade of A bumps us 2 wins more than I predicted.  Without an A staff, I have us at 7-5.  With A staff, I have us at 9-3. Then, if SS keeps the staff humming in 22, I have us 10-2, in B12 CC game, and winning NY6 bowl.  Then repeat process in 23, go 11-1, in playoffs, and anything can happen.  

[Hobbes 18]

11 minutes ago, TexasFan21 said:

Exactly. The FootballScoop article mentioned "Sources tell FootballScoop that Sark has made a very strong offer to bring LSU defensive backs coach Corey Raymond to Texas." This implies we are either throwing money around $1M mark or money + title elevation) 

I am surprised he only made $575K in 2020. Seems like Texas could throw $900K-$1M to him and it would be a no brainer. Gets out of an uncertain situation and it paired with a new, legit staff.

It would be awesome to bring in Raymond for CB. Let Gideon have S, throw a Co-DC tag on Raymond, and let him spearhead recruiting on the defensive side of the ball. Bring in a more X's and O's guy as the play calling DC.

Near criminal for Raymond to be making less thank 800k a year given today's salaries.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Hobbes
Sentence ran on for ever I got excited

[NoName 16409]

Just now, orangecat92 said:

Put it on a grade scale.  I am putting Herms staff at D.

SS staff will be A? A-?

Grade of A bumps us 2 wins more than I predicted.  Without an A staff, I have us at 7-5.  With A staff, I have us at 9-3. Then, if SS keeps the staff humming in 22, I have us 10-2, in B12 CC game, and winning NY6 bowl.  Then repeat process in 23, go 11-1, in playoffs, and anything can happen.  

he isn't an A without a "rainmaker", which isn't the case currently.

that can change, but an A- with this staff is quite good. upgrades at mostly every position? that's a win in my book.

[NoName 16409]

2 minutes ago, Hobbes said:

It would be awesome to bring in Raymond for CB and let Gideon have S and throw a Co-DC tag on Raymond and let him spearhead recruiting on the defensive side of the ball and bringing in a more X's and O's guy as the play calling DC.

Near criminal for Raymond to be making less thank 800k a year given today's salaries.

I would rather have Tosh as Co-DC, throw Raymond an extra $100k and call it a day

[Machinator 32099]

2 minutes ago, orangecat92 said:

Put it on a grade scale.  I am putting Herms staff at D.

SS staff will be A? A-?

Grade of A bumps us 2 wins more than I predicted.  Without an A staff, I have us at 7-5.  With A staff, I have us at 9-3. Then, if SS keeps the staff humming in 22, I have us 10-2, in B12 CC game, and winning NY6 bowl.  Then repeat process in 23, go 11-1, in playoffs, and anything can happen.  

need to see the DC hire and a true rainmaker/bagman/volume recruiter.

[Eggo 3995]

17 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

As I've said many times, I was super excited about Tom until I heard that Warehime, Meekins, Washington, etc got off the plane with him.

 

[texifornia 57172]

4 minutes ago, Hobbes said:

Near criminal for Raymond to be making less thank 800k a year given today's salaries.

It's LSU, you know there's some under the table deal where he gets 50% of the speeding ticket income in Avoyelles, Tangipahoa, and Pointe Coupee Parishes or something like that.

Edited January 7, 2021 by texifornia

[BornAndRaised 12314]

not sure if this offers any new information, but it seems like Raymond is gaining more traction.
 

 

[closetohumping 17482]

2 minutes ago, Eggo said:

 

He's married to an African American woman.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Staff grades:

Charlie Strong - I had his initial staff as a C, if just OC an F

Herman - initial staff was a C-

[Butch Had Not 2994]

Ohio St pays Larry Johnson a hefty sum as a position coach and he's worth it. Raymond is worth it as well if we get the same coach he's been at LSU.