Sark after dark COACHING STAFF thread

[Richter 2238]

24 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Poster on IT said Hutzler to Ole Miss is close to being finalized.

Really going to miss Juwan Mitchell.  I wonder if he will think anything about Ole Miss is racist?

Edited January 9, 2021 by Richter

[Michael Knight 12955]

25 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Poster on IT said Hutzler to Ole Miss is close to being finalized.

Tosh Lupoi confirmed

[Real Papi 988]

Hutzler was a solid coach.  I was hoping to see him retained, mentored by the talented new coaches.  He demonstrated he can coach by developing these young players. 

[RichUT 1832]

I want Sark hiring coordinators that desperately want his job. If that means we are searching for new coordinators every 2-4 years, great. That means we are getting hungry guys on their way up with plenty to prove. I don’t want anyone that’s perfectly happy being a career coordinator.

I’m sure there is a mouth breather that is going to say Boom is now a “career coordinator” based on failing twice as a head coach. I promise you that he would punch you square in your fucking face if you told him that’s how he feels. He may never make it as a successful head coach, but no chance in hell he’s ready to give up on that goal.

[texifornia 56596]

7 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

The hutzler news I wonder he will bring some of our dudes with him that we’re giving him props on the twitters 

[Armybrat 40768]

On 1/6/2021 at 9:07 AM, victory88 said:

We should not lose coordinators or positions coaches to any schools.  It's time Texas reminds the college football world we have more money than anyone.  If Bama, ND, or UGA is targeting Muschamp, offer him 3.5 mil (1 mil more than Venables) to be the highest paid DC in the country and tell him to give you an answer right then and there.  If you want Jeff Banks, double his salary from Bama.  Make him say no.  We raised all of this money and got turned down by Urban.  Well what's stopping us from buying the country's best coordinators, position coaches, and support staff?  Let Sark manage the offense and let Will manage the defense.  We're going to have to buy our way to success.  I'm done with coaches that need to learn on the job.  Get the best guys, period.  If they say no, make them an offer they can't refuse.  It's time we pull our dick out and show how big it is.  Let's see if other athletic departments, boosters, and schools will shell out the money we will in a pandemic.  Fuck those schools... let's fucking go... 

#allgasnobrakes

Am tired of Texas pulling out its dick like this for the past decade....

 

 

[texifornia 56596]

Just now, Armybrat said:

#AllGasNoBrakes

[closetohumping 17416]

6 minutes ago, RichUT said:

I want Sark hiring coordinators that desperately want his job. If that means we are searching for new coordinators every 2-4 years, great. That means we are getting hungry guys on their way up with plenty to prove. I don’t want anyone that’s perfectly happy being a career coordinator.

I’m sure there is a mouth breather that is going to say Boom is now a “career coordinator” based on failing twice as a head coach. I promise you that he would punch you square in your fucking face if you told him that’s how he feels. He may never make it as a successful head coach, but no chance in hell he’s ready to give up on that goal.

As opposed to the Mack guys who were waiting till they were eligible for the state annuity.

[Errestaurants 2570]

26 minutes ago, Nowhichski said:

I sorta like the Saban model: Stability at HC  and bring in new coordinators every few years—stepping stone for them,  fresh ideas for the program. 

That works great when you have an All Time Great at HC like Saban

[Saint Tacky 1610]

28 minutes ago, Daichee Bell said:

 

Spoiler that shit!

[BurntOrange&White 39860]

Pace is being picked up on the hiring front. Oregon is set to try and interview Arnett now that their DC is going to Boise. 

[BurntOrange&White 39860]

21 minutes ago, Richter said:

Really going to miss Juwan Mitchell.  I wonder if he will think anything about Ole Miss is racist?

That would be the most ironic transfer of all time. 

[JesusSweatDuck 17780]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

Feels like Roach is nearing EJ Holland (RIP) levels of just regurgitating without any critique what he hears from handlers or legit agents. 

Great, now I want a frappuccino

[JBJ 3654]

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

I don't feel he's proven enough, personally.

He was in my bottom tier.  Would rather keep Ash.

[closetohumping 17416]

2 minutes ago, JBJ said:

He was in my bottom tier.  Would rather keep Ash.

Seems like that's not a direction we're going

[Burt Macklin 19000]

32 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Sgt Hulk is on the satya spectrum.

[HateYouAndMyself 828]

If Oregon decides they want Arnett they will probably get him. It is the more desirable DC gig, even over us, when you factor in what a rotting dumpster fire all but like 3 teams are in the PAC. Even the 'better' teams like Washington, Utah, USC, etc. have major warts and are hardly consistent offensive juggernauts at this point. Simple fucking Jack could make himself look like a viable HC candidate as a DC in the PAC with Oregon's talent on that side of the ball. 

If Arnett is 'our guy' we probably can't wait till Tuesday to offer him. 

[Jack Wilson 313]

1 hour ago, derpyhorndog said:

reminiscing about T-Rob screwing us out of Tim Irvin of "Florida Five" infamy.

 

He apparently did us a favor. Auburn; no, East Carolina; no, Delta State. Not exactly a desirable trajectory.

[Bevo14 8290]

7 minutes ago, HateYouAndMyself said:

If Oregon decides they want Arnett they will probably get him. It is the more desirable DC gig, even over us, when you factor in what a rotting dumpster fire all but like 3 teams are in the PAC. Even the 'better' teams like Washington, Utah, USC, etc. have major warts and are hardly consistent offensive juggernauts at this point. Simple fucking Jack could make himself look like a viable HC candidate as a DC in the PAC with Oregon's talent on that side of the ball. 

If Arnett is 'our guy' we probably can't wait till Tuesday to offer him. 

If the 995ers are right it doesn't sound like he's our guy at all, at least not yet.

[Burt Macklin 19000]

9 minutes ago, HateYouAndMyself said:

If Oregon decides they want Arnett they will probably get him. It is the more desirable DC gig, even over us, when you factor in what a rotting dumpster fire all but like 3 teams are in the PAC. Even the 'better' teams like Washington, Utah, USC, etc. have major warts and are hardly consistent offensive juggernauts at this point. Simple fucking Jack could make himself look like a viable HC candidate as a DC in the PAC with Oregon's talent on that side of the ball. 

If Arnett is 'our guy' we probably can't wait till Tuesday to offer him. 

Oregon will not outbid us for a DC and they’re not the better job. Stop it with this nonsense. 

[NTVTXN 1432]

1 hour ago, closetohumping said:

Me, I'm glad the Herm error is done with.

Not to pick nits, but I believe the term which you seek is “era”. 
However, I’m going to give you credit for the double entendres.  It was definitely an “Error”.

[GabrielsHorn 2181]

 

[kevwun 15715]

That should disqualify Quinn because McCarthy is fucking terrible at hiring Defensive Coordinators.  Nolan was an all timer level terrible hire.

Edited January 9, 2021 by kevwun

[NTVTXN 1432]

2 minutes ago, kevwun said:

That should disqualify Quinn because McCarthy is fucking terrible. 

FIFY

[Vertigo 20274]

24 minutes ago, HateYouAndMyself said:

If Oregon decides they want Arnett they will probably get him. It is the more desirable DC gig, even over us, when you factor in what a rotting dumpster fire all but like 3 teams are in the PAC. Even the 'better' teams like Washington, Utah, USC, etc. have major warts and are hardly consistent offensive juggernauts at this point. Simple fucking Jack could make himself look like a viable HC candidate as a DC in the PAC with Oregon's talent on that side of the ball. 

If Arnett is 'our guy' we probably can't wait till Tuesday to offer him. 

Arnett is the DC for Mike fucking Leech, do you think he is scared of spread teams?

[HtownHorn 14602]

So, we are heading down this road

DC/ILB - Golding

Co-DC/OLB - Lupoi

DL - Davis

DB - Raymond

ST/S if Raymond lets him in the room - Gideon

[derpyhorndog 2554]

6 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

Easier when you have a stable of "analysts"

For those curious, here's a breakdown of this season's analyst stables at Bama and UT.

Bama had thirteen analysts this season:

• three former CFB HCs: Charlie, Major and Stoops;
• four NFL vets: Shiloh Keo (five-year vet), Nick Perry (six-year vet), Javier Arenas (six-year vet), Alex Mortenson (Chris Mortenson's son, UDFA that spent one year on Titans practice squad);
• three former CFB players, all with prior GA/analyst/coaching experience: Gordon Steele (Kevin Steele's son, played DII ball and later OL coach at Murray State and GA at South AL and LSU); AJ Milwee (good QB at North Alabama and later a GA there and OC/QB coach at Akron); and Johnathan Galante (played under Beamer at VT and later a GA there); and
• two "GA Joes": Bert Biffani (previously a GA with Jimbo at FSU and then aggy); and Patrick Reilly (previously a GA/analyst with 'Cuse and UCLA prior).

Compare that to UT's seven analysts, would be eight if you count Casey Horney (who's a QC coach, which many schools bucket with analysts) but he's a piece of shit and subtraction by addition:

• one former CFB HC: Everett Withers (was HC of Texas State and had HC stops at James Madison and (interim) at UNC, also was DB coach at UT in Mack's early years and with the Giants year before taking UT analyst gig)
• one other former CFB coach (not HC): Dave Huxtable (previously NC State DC/LB coach, has 35+ years of CFB coaching experience but none as HC); 
• one NFL vet: Jeremiah George (four-year vet);
• two former CFB players with prior GA/analyst/coaching experience: Noah Joseph (played DB at Drake, previously coached safeties at Rutgers with Ash, before that safeties at North Texas, co-DC/safeties at Montana State and GA stops at Drake, E Kentucky and ISU); and J.W. Walsh (QB at OSU and later GA at TCU and RB coach at Abilene Christian); and
• two former CFB players with no prior analyst/coaching experience: Brandon Harris (QB at LSU/UNC); and John Miller (played WR at James Madison under Meh and Everett Withers).

My advice to Sark after review: "You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers."

Say what you will about Charlies, Major and Stoops, but (unfortunately) they're collectively worth at least 1.25 Withers. An interesting distinction between their former CFB coaches is that theirs are in the category of relatively young former HCs looking for a restart, while both of ours have been coaching since the 1980s and are likely more in the "not much gas left in the tank, I'm going to enjoy the twilight of my career and at least collect a paycheck for it" category. 

Other than that, aside for gross numbers at Bama, other distinctions I noticed are that Bama seems to place good value on NFL vets and we're lacking in that department. They also don't have any former CFB players without some previous stop in their coaching career, we have two. Clearly some work to do in both numbers and quality. 

[JOSEYWALES66 1799]

7 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

So, we are heading down this road

DC/ILB - Golding

Co-DC/OLB - Lupoi

DL - Davis

DB - Raymond

ST/S if Raymond lets him in the room - Gideon

I could live with that. Not that I think Raymond is a sure thing at this point. 

[Elmer_Fudd 22149]

10 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

So, we are heading down this road

DC/ILB - Golding

Co-DC/OLB - Lupoi

DL - Davis

DB - Raymond

ST/S if Raymond lets him in the room - Gideon

Swap out Golding for Arnett and we're rolling.

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

Yeah I’m sorry I just don’t understand the Freeman hype. I guess Herman and Strong bringing their guys from G5 programs has tainted my view of G5 coordinators. Give me a P5 coordinator, former HC, or NFL guy.

[Gut Wagon 8054]

Someone convince me that Golding is good. I mean, other than the fact he convinced Saban he was. I'll hang up and listen. 

[HtownHorn 14602]

11 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

Swap out Golding for Arnett and we're rolling.

That's how I would want it too, but I think Arnett makes his move before the weekend is over.

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

At this point:

1. Convince Boom to change his mind.

2. Convince Barry Odom to change his mind.

3. Keep Ash

4. Tosh Lupoi

5. Zach Arnett

6. Pete Golding

If we get past #4, put me down in the “worried this will be Strong & Herman all over again” camp.

 

[Kurt Bowels 213]

20 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

For those curious, here's a breakdown of this season's analyst stables at Bama and UT.

Bama had thirteen analysts this season:

• three former CFB HCs: Charlie, Major and Stoops;
• four NFL vets: Shiloh Keo (five-year vet), Nick Perry (six-year vet), Javier Arenas (six-year vet), Alex Mortenson (Chris Mortenson's son, UDFA that spent one year on Titans practice squad);
• three former CFB players, all with prior GA/analyst/coaching experience: Gordon Steele (Kevin Steele's son, played DII ball and later OL coach at Murray State and GA at South AL and LSU); AJ Milwee (good QB at North Alabama and later a GA there and OC/QB coach at Akron); and Johnathan Galante (played under Beamer at VT and later a GA there); and
• two "GA Joes": Bert Biffani (previously a GA with Jimbo at FSU and then aggy); and Patrick Reilly (previously a GA/analyst with 'Cuse and UCLA prior).

Compare that to UT's seven analysts, would be eight if you count Casey Horney (who's a QC coach, which many schools bucket with analysts) but he's a piece of shit and subtraction by addition:

• one former CFB HC: Everett Withers (was HC of Texas State and had HC stops at James Madison and (interim) at UNC, also was DB coach at UT in Mack's early years and with the Giants year before taking UT analyst gig)
• one other former CFB coach (not HC): Dave Huxtable (previously NC State DC/LB coach, has 35+ years of CFB coaching experience but none as HC); 
• one NFL vet: Jeremiah George (four-year vet);
• two former CFB players with prior GA/analyst/coaching experience: Noah Joseph (played DB at Drake, previously coached safeties at Rutgers with Ash, before that safeties at North Texas, co-DC/safeties at Montana State and GA stops at Drake, E Kentucky and ISU); and J.W. Walsh (QB at OSU and later GA at TCU and RB coach at Abilene Christian); and
• two former CFB players with no prior analyst/coaching experience: Brandon Harris (QB at LSU/UNC); and John Miller (played WR at James Madison under Meh and Everett Withers).

My advice to Sark after review: "You gotta pump those numbers up, those are rookie numbers."

Say what you will about Charlies, Major and Stoops, but (unfortunately) they're collectively worth at least 1.25 Withers. An interesting distinction between their former CFB coaches is that theirs are in the category of relatively young former HCs looking for a restart, while both of ours have been coaching since the 1980s and are likely more in the "not much gas left in the tank, I'm going to enjoy the twilight of my career and at least collect a paycheck for it" category. 

Other than that, aside for gross numbers at Bama, other distinctions I noticed are that Bama seems to place good value on NFL vets and we're lacking in that department. They also don't have any former CFB players without some previous stop in their coaching career, we have two. Clearly some work to do in both numbers and quality.

Not sure if it is true, but I've heard that Alabama has way more support staff than is listed. They "hide" some of the staff from ever making it on a payroll.

[IDIOTsavant 8467]

2 minutes ago, Kurt Bowels said:

Not sure if it is true, but I've heard that Alabama has way more support staff than is listed. They "hide" some of the staff from ever making it on a payroll.

Yeah, those are called players.

[Daichee Bell 2925]

3 minutes ago, Kurt Bowels said:

Not sure if it is true, but I've heard that Alabama has way more support staff than is listed. 

 

[Burt Macklin 19000]

6 minutes ago, A’Dam Psycho said:

At this point:

1. Convince Boom to change his mind.

2. Convince Barry Odom to change his mind.

3. Keep Ash

4. Tosh Lupoi

5. Zach Arnett

6. Pete Golding

If we get past #4, put me down in the “worried this will be Strong & Herman all over again” camp.

 

Having Lupoi as DC at #4 on that list I might be one of the dumbest things in this entire thread.

[closetohumping 17416]

Is the Oregon db coach a candidate?

[The Earl of Texas 3131]

Painful at this point, just waiting for Bama game to end so we can get actual news.

[Elmer_Fudd 22149]

2 minutes ago, The Earl of Texas said:

Painful at this point, just waiting for Bama game to end so we can get actual news.

Arnett and Quinn could be off the board before then.

[maninblack 7974]

 

[Teryor 4437]

 

[thunderlounge 7783]

wait, wut?????

[A’Dam Psycho 1469]

4 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

Having Lupoi as DC at #4 on that list I might be one of the dumbest things in this entire thread.

He has like 1 1/2 years of play-calling experience. Tosh is not the sure thing this sub seems think he is

[Wishbone 4757]

2 minutes ago, maninblack said:

 

Tha furk?

[closetohumping 17416]

3 minutes ago, Teryor said:

 

Excuse me?

[whereiend 26]

3 hours ago, closetohumping said:

Your user name is familiar

I never really made the transition to Surly after whatever happened to Shaggy happened. Need to get back in it. But I posted on shaggy for a decade and hornfans (God help us) before that. Have also posted on 247 (several years ago) and IT (still do but mostly just read).

[westexhorn 2010]

Road to 1000 has begun

[6th Street 6357]

5 minutes ago, Teryor said:

 

Who is this scrub? 

[BornAndRaised 12223]

https://247sports.com/coach/Terry-Joseph-312/

How am I supposed to feel about this?