Sark after dark COACHING STAFF thread

[JBJ 3664]

Someone is going to have to explain ♟.

Is it a reference to 3D-chess?

[Machinator 32099]

Just now, bar said:

Could you fill in the gap by hiring an analyst to effectively coach ILB or CB?

People said good things about the analyst Jeremiah George when he was an interim coach post-Orlando, pre-Ash, but you want someone with some on-field experience if at all possible.

[fellside 1114]

Just now, Foosters said:

Pumped to see the Charlie v. Herman debate flare up here again. 

If there's one thing I have always said about Pete Kwiatkowski, it's that Herman was better than Strong.

[ztejas 43526]

Beautiful.

[Kanly 548]

2 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Someone is going to have to explain ♟.

Is it a reference to 3D-chess?

It means we are all pawns in the game of life.

[Machinator 32099]

This was Josh Thompson's original tweet (he deleted it in place of the chess piece emoji)

[DanTheHorn 4939]

1 hour ago, JFKFC said:

I see a bunch of abbreviations, acronyms, weird MS paint drawings - what the hell is going on? Did we hire someone? Do I book my hotel & flights for the CFB Playoff next year or what? 

This past year was so disappointing because it was the first year you could tell we had the talent to win the Big 12 and maybe even make a run to the CFP. Now we have some questions in the experience and talent department but for the first time with Sark at OC and PK at DC it does not feel like we have a coaching deficit. Hope Sark has a feel for game time clock management and in game situational decisions. It has been a few years since he has had to make those type decisions on his own in big time games since I expect to win big time games now.

Edited January 19, 2021 by DanTheHorn

[Gut Wagon 8086]

6 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Someone is going to have to explain ♟.

Is it a reference to 3D-chess?

The Huskies got rooked. 

[jeevsie 3737]

[texifornia 57036]

5 minutes ago, Octavian said:

Coach K runs a 2-4-5, not 4-2-5. Two hybrid OLBs, two ILBs. The reason ILB/OLB difference matters is that his scheme requires the OLBs to handle various responsibilities (similar to how Ossai did in his Jack role - actually there is a Jack in K's system too), while ILBs are also expected to manage a myriad of responsibilities including sealing the edge/snuffing runs in scenarios where the OLB's are covering the flats (on top of traditional responsibilities). Basically you need your linebackers to be pretty coached up.

 

This video @LTtxfan posted details it pretty well:

 

I'm sure Juwan Mitchell is ready and willing to learn a complex series of tasks and assignments.

[Texas Wahoo 3403]

Semi-Official:

 

 

[UncleSonny 6573]

9 minutes ago, Octavian said:

Coach K runs a 2-4-5, not 4-2-5. Two hybrid OLBs, two ILBs. The reason ILB/OLB difference matters is that his scheme requires the OLBs to handle various responsibilities (similar to how Ossai did in his Jack role - actually there is a Jack in K's system too), while ILBs are also expected to manage a myriad of responsibilities including sealing the edge/snuffing runs in scenarios where the OLB's are covering the flats (on top of traditional responsibilities). Basically you need your linebackers to be pretty coached up.

 

This video @LTtxfan posted details it pretty well:

 

Any idea how this fits with the current personnel? Is Collins suited to be one of the two down-linemen or would you want both guys to be huge space eater types (Coburn & Sweat)? Or will he play outside LB in this scheme? Sealing the edge/playing the run certainly wouldn't be an issue for him from there but he may struggle to rush the passer from that spot and you obviously wouldn't want to give him coverage responsibilities. 

Edited January 19, 2021 by UncleSonny

[Pato del Muerto 52546]

2 minutes ago, jeevsie said:

[Bill Lumbergh 7173]

I know there's a lot of doubt about pac12 football these days and the quality of teams he's faced, so I keep going back to the alabama game as a good measuring stick.

Keep in mind that alabama would have a massive talent disparity in this game. I'm not going to look up the difference in recruiting rankings in the years leading up to the matchup, but I'll make an educated guess and say the gap is "large."

Then factor in that UW's offense was completely shut down outside of one drive. It was complete domination by the bama defense, with three turnovers by the uw offense and three and outs nearly all game.

With all of that factored in, you can blame uw's defense for 14 points. One real drive surrendered early in the game, and one 60+ yard run given up when they couldn't hang with bama's depth in the 4th. The other 10 points were off of a pick 6 and a field goal on a short field/fumble.

Yes, that was not the alabama offense of 2019-2020 and they probably knew they didn't need to get risky given how their defense was playing, but it is still an impressive outing no matter how you rationalize it.

Check out the drive summaries here to get a feel for the game, and then look at the normal offensive output for bama in 2016 to normalize the performance a bit: https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400876107

All this is on top of how he's regularly shut down the best spread offenses in the pac12, which I'd argue are not as bad as people like to say.

I love this hire.

[Griff 514]

6 minutes ago, Kanly said:

It means we are all pawns in the game of life.

[Bevo 13591]

11 minutes ago, Octavian said:

Coach K runs a 2-4-5, not 4-2-5. Two hybrid OLBs, two ILBs. The reason ILB/OLB difference matters is that his scheme requires the OLBs to handle various responsibilities (similar to how Ossai did in his Jack role - actually there is a Jack in K's system too), while ILBs are also expected to manage a myriad of responsibilities including sealing the edge/snuffing runs in scenarios where the OLB's are covering the flats (on top of traditional responsibilities). Basically you need your linebackers to be pretty coached up.

 

 

Mitchell don't nee no coach

[DanTheHorn 4939]

56 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

 

 

 

Bring out all the classic GIFs on this one. I was in the keep Ash camp if it was not Mushchamp or Odom and was very much against Golding. KwiatKowski surpasses Mushchamp and Odom after you see how many guys he puts into the NFL and the way he talks about fundamentals. Also, the respect fans and opposing fans have for the guy. So yet another classic GIF in welcoming PK.

[RGBIII 22840]

44 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Relative newb, but who is @OnAComputer

 

[Chili dog 1787]

32 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Why do we need 2 LB coaches when we are only gonna have 2 of them on the field most of the time?  

Coach K- DC/LB

Bo Davis-DL

Retain Giles at his current salary to help with the DL  as an analyst or whatever the fuck he would like to be called

Joseph-Safeties

Raymond-CB/AHC

Gideon-ST/asst. DB coach

 

I think the thinking is that we will have only two or three true DL and 3-4 LB on the field most of the time. DEs in a 4-3 are essentially replaced by OLB in modern defenses. Coach K has been known to run 2-4-5 packages, so there’s a need for OLB and ILB coaches. Just look at the OLB coach as a DE coach. 

[Quasimofo 406]

Coach K runs a 2-4-5, not 4-2-5.

That's extremely fast. Hell, 4-2-5 is Chris Johnson/Marquise territory.

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Pato del Muerto 52546]

7 minutes ago, Bill Lumbergh said:

I know there's a lot of doubt about pac12 football these days and the quality of teams he's faced, so I keep going back to the alabama game as a good measuring stick.

Keep in mind that alabama would have a massive talent disparity in this game. I'm not going to look up the difference in recruiting rankings in the years leading up to the matchup, but I'll make an educated guess and say the gap is "large."

Then factor in that UW's offense was completely shut down outside of one drive. It was complete domination by the bama defense, with three turnovers by the uw offense and three and outs nearly all game.

With all of that factored in, you can blame uw's defense for 14 points. One real drive surrendered early in the game, and one 60+ yard run given up when they couldn't hang with bama's depth in the 4th. The other 10 points were off of a pick 6 and a field goal on a short field/fumble.

Yes, that was not the alabama offense of 2019-2020 and they probably knew they didn't need to get risky given how their defense was playing, but it is still an impressive outing no matter how you rationalize it.

Check out the drive summaries here to get a feel for the game, and then look at the normal offensive output for bama in 2016 to normalize the performance a bit: https://www.espn.com/college-football/playbyplay?gameId=400876107

All this is on top of how he's regularly shut down the best spread offenses in the pac12, which I'd argue are not as bad as people like to say.

I love this hire.

Maybe Alabama’s OC for that game is subpar. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26519]

From my friend a low-grade Oregon booster:

"He's the best in the Pac12. Great Coach. Would love to have him, glad he's leaving the conference"

[Johnny Sack 8397]

4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Maybe Alabama’s OC for that game is subpar. 

Hah

Edited January 19, 2021 by Johnny Sack

[DanTheHorn 4939]

So when is FCB going to be spoon feed that the deal is done. Every other site seems to be confirming. 

[UncleSonny 6573]

2 hours ago, Butch Had Not said:

Zach Arnett today:

 

Haha, pour one out for Arnett today. Dude thought he had positioned himself as the subject of a bidding war between Texas, Notre Dame, LSU, and Oregon. Carousel spins around and he ends up without an offer from any of them. First team meeting back at MSU may be a bit awkward after publicly taking all those interviews.

[Chili dog 1787]

9 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Any idea how this fits with the current personnel? Is Collins suited to be one of the two down-linemen or would you want both guys to be huge space eater types (Coburn & Sweat)? Or will he play outside LB in this scheme? Sealing the edge/playing the run certainly wouldn't be an issue for him from there but he may struggle to rush the passer from that spot and you obviously wouldn't want to give him coverage responsibilities. 

We need more pass rushing OLB/DE types. Collins can play inside if he needs to. He has tons of room on his frame for growth. We definitely have more beef than we’ll need end not enough speed on the edges. Collins is pretty athletic, but I don’t know if he’s built to handle the OLB duties. 
 

Of course, there’s always the possibility that K is flexible enough to maximize the talent he has. I’d assume Sark vetted that. You always want to coach to your talent. Right now, we have lots of talent up front and very little at LB. 

[Bill Lumbergh 7173]

Maybe Alabama’s OC for that game is subpar. 

[Corso] not so fast my friend[/Corso]

Sark was elevated I believe 3 days after this game when Kiffin left.

Sark would've been an analyst for the game and undoubtedly remembers preparing for this defense (a good sign), but a few days shy of being oc against him.

[DanTheHorn 4939]

1 minute ago, UncleSonny said:

Haha, pour one out for Arnett today. Dude thought he had positioned himself as the subject of a bidding war between Texas, Notre Dame, LSU, and Oregon. Carousel spins around and he ends up without an offer from any of them. First team meeting back at MSU may be a bit awkward after publicly taking all those interviews.

UW is the job he really wanted all along. All those Washington stories by Leach just have him infatuated.

[Orange&White 5528]

2 hours ago, Acropora said:

I think we've got a pretty good recruiting staff with a rainmaker in banks (and sark for that matter), plus recruiters in drayton, joseph, davis, flood,

 

18 months ago you would have been neg banned off of this site for saying that.

[General Specific 3262]

well the ends are technically OLBs in the 2-4-5. so I guess you can call whoever's coaching OLBs the "DE" coach for purposes of comparison

Wouldn’t this 2-4-5 alignment also lead to more man / press coverage for the DBs?

Also, if Surly bitched about 4 vs. 3 man front, wait till they hear about 2!

[Sgt Hulk 13816]

SMAL!!!!!!!

 

 

show me a loss 

[clapclapclap 9000]

5 hours ago, NorLa Horns said:

Who knew Husky tears were so tasty?

Maybe this guy?

Edited January 19, 2021 by clapclapclap

[Sir Ulrich 5188]

If we want to get Raymond then we need to cheer for LSU to hire Golding who would bring Scott along with him. 

[perfectchaos007 6677]

I think I like this Kwiatkowski hire more than I would have Muschamp anyways 

[Harvdog 2300]

Worked with a guy who played at UW.  He actually played in Major’s last game in the Holiday Bowl.  I asked him about Coach K. Here is his response:

“Yeah I mean obviously we aren’t happy. The guy is an absolute pro and a stud and our d was number one in the pac for the last 5 years. With that said.... sometimes it felt like we couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down or stop the run to a frustrating degree.  Y'all will like him in the Big 12.”

[Bill Lumbergh 7173]

If we want to get Raymond then we need to cheer for LSU to hire Golding who would bring Scott along with him. 

I think it's all but guaranteed to be the saints coordinator, right?

Still turnover, so there's a chance, but given he's coming from the nfl he'd probably like to keep their best recruiters around if he can.

[wood 11231]

12 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

 

LOL. Dude's got his soul patch on crooked.

[Hanrahan 1306]

14 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

 

Why do her legs have smallpox?

[jdhorn92 1552]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

I have a house there at the golf club overlooking the mountains so this hits close to home.

@bevo, trying to catch up a bit, do you have a house in Sandpoint?

[RandomIdoit 657]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

If we want to get Raymond then we need to cheer for LSU to hire Golding who would bring Scott along with him. 

I thought LSU was hiring someone from the Saints. 

[wood 11231]

13 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Maybe Alabama’s OC for that game is subpar. 

I'm sure UW's defensive showing in that game left an impression on said OC, making this decision even easier.

[Bill Lumbergh 7173]

Worked with a guy who played at UW.  He actually played in Major’s last game in the Holiday Bowl.  I asked him about Coach K. Here is his response:
“Yeah I mean obviously we aren’t happy. The guy is an absolute pro and a stud and our d was number one in the pac for the last 5 years. With that said.... sometimes it felt like we couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down or stop the run to a frustrating degree.  Y'all will like him in the Big 12.”

Interesting that those themes haven't shown up anywhere else from uw fans. Not doubting your buddy, that just hasn't been a common complaint that I've seen so far.

That said, I bet if you ask any fanbase what frustrates them most about their dc, you probably get some flavor of this answer. No matter how good you are at those areas, the fans probably always want them to be better. It's the defensive equivalent of wanting the offense to run the touchdown play.

[maninblack 7974]

1 hour ago, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said:

So who gets the final spot? 

No inside track here but I'm hoping for Raymond

[83Horn 1642]

2 hours ago, ATXbronco said:

Not to pick nits, but Bevo is not a cow.  Regardless, what a great hire.  This is going to be one looooooong off season.  September can't get here fast enough.

 

[wood 11231]

4 minutes ago, Harvdog said:

Worked with a guy who played at UW.  He actually played in Major’s last game in the Holiday Bowl.  I asked him about Coach K. Here is his response:

“Yeah I mean obviously we aren’t happy. The guy is an absolute pro and a stud and our d was number one in the pac for the last 5 years. With that said.... sometimes it felt like we couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down or stop the run to a frustrating degree.  Y'all will like him in the Big 12.”

It might have felt that way I guess, but those numbers don't lie.

[closetohumping 17455]

7 minutes ago, perfectchaos007 said:

I think I like this Kwiatkowski hire more than I would have Muschamp anyways 

I'll bet PK is just as good at coaching and development.  Will has better name recognition, is familiar with Sark and recruiting in texas.

[Sir Ulrich 5188]

1 minute ago, RandomIdoit said:

I thought LSU was hiring someone from the Saints. 

The Saints are holding up the deal so nothing set yet

[Chili dog 1787]

9 minutes ago, General Specific said:

Wouldn’t this 2-4-5 alignment also lead to more man / press coverage for the DBs?

Also, if Surly bitched about 4 vs. 3 man front, wait till they hear about 2!

Not necessarily. It frees up a lot of zone coverages with the ability to disguise pressure. It allows the defense to get pressure with 4 (or even 3) because you never know where the pressure is coming from or who’s dropping into coverage. 

[Orange&White 5528]

54 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Why do we need 2 LB coaches when we are only gonna have 2 of them on the field most of the time?  

Coach K- DC/LB

Bo Davis-DL

Retain Giles at his current salary to help with the DL  as an analyst or whatever the fuck he would like to be called

Joseph-Safeties

Raymond-CB/AHC

Gideon-ST/asst. DB coach

 

"You're so drunk you're probably seeing double"

"I've got two LB coaches. One for the each if ya."