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Just got a text from my friend in the Bama program that Flood and Wiggins are going with Sark. It's done.

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nope, reposding to other posters. You want an asshole? I'll show you an asshole I'm gonna lose to OU THIS many times   Texas fucking sucks now, and you ALLLLLLL know it. Good

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2 hours ago, Bevo said:

I have a house there at the golf club overlooking the mountains so this hits close to home.

The idaho club?  I think it's a fun track but gets bad talked 60 miles south. Not sure why. I know they had their issues but they seem to be back on the upswing.  PNGA is having the men's amateur there this year. 

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3 hours ago, derpyhorndog said:

Yes, for those that avoided the UOB thread, this is the same jet CTJ confirmed met with Urban in both Los Angeles (twice) and Fort Collins (once) between October and early December.

Pete Kwiatkowski also coached and played in Idaho at Boise State. It’s just under an hour-long flight between Seattle and Sandpoint, ID, so a logical meeting point. And beginning to doubt my sleuthing skills as I can’t find much info on Pete’s hometown, but Bonner County real property records show there are two properties in Sandpoint owned by a 70-something year old Stan Kwiatkowski. 

Further Update: Just noticed a jet just arrived in Sandpoint from North Bend, Oregon. Its registered owner is the same as the owner of the jet that flew from Seattle yesterday and arrived in Sandpoint within 10 minutes of the CTJ/Eltife jet’s arrival.

Anyone from the Oregon staff that would fit the bill for UT’s final defensive hire? Andy Avalos, whose title at Oregon is “DC/Edge” coach, was the DL coach under Kwaitkowski at Boise State. And Keith Hayward, their “Co-DC/Safeties” coach, was DB coach at Washington under Sark and followed Sark to USC where Hayward was Passing Game Coordinator and DB coach. 

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3 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

Further Update: Just noticed a jet just arrived in Sandpoint from North Bend, Oregon. Its registered owner is the same as the owner of the jet that flew from Seattle yesterday and arrived in Sandpoint within 10 minutes of the CTJ/Eltife jet’s arrival.

Anyone from the Oregon staff that would fit the bill for UT’s final defensive hire? Andy Avalos, whose title at Oregon is “DC/Edge” coach, was the DL coach under Kwaitkowski at Boise State. And Keith Hayward, their “Co-DC/Safeties” coach, was DB coach at Washington under Sark and followed Sark to USC where Hayward was Passing Game Coordinator and DB coach. 

Going to go ahead and say it's not Avalos

https://broncosports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/andy-avalos/4

(also his daughter is named Paityn which is real Mountain West Mormon-adjacent shit)

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14 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

I'm not worried about Joseph as DB coach.  I think his guys did as well as anyone vs Bama this year.  I know, still got their asses kicked but Sark must've seen something.

Joseph coached Safeties at ND, not CBs. Safety is thought to be a better position for him. He was a DB coach at multiple stops before they added the 10th assistant, but his development track record with CBs isn’t anything to write home about. 
 

 

 

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Going to go ahead and say it's not Avalos

https://broncosports.com/sports/football/roster/coaches/andy-avalos/4

Lulz, apparently not keeping up as up to date on my Oregon/Boise State staff developments as I am UT’s. Well in that case cross him off the list! General point/question of who might be a logical candidate from Oregon still stands. 

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7 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

Further Update: Just noticed a jet just arrived in Sandpoint from North Bend, Oregon. Its registered owner is the same as the owner of the jet that flew from Seattle yesterday and arrived in Sandpoint within 10 minutes of the CTJ/Eltife jet’s arrival.

Anyone from the Oregon staff that would fit the bill for UT’s final defensive hire? Andy Avalos, whose title at Oregon is “DC/Edge” coach, was the DL coach under Kwaitkowski at Boise State. And Keith Hayward, their “Co-DC/Safeties” coach, was DB coach at Washington under Sark and followed Sark to USC where Hayward was Passing Game Coordinator and DB coach. 

We would prefer a flight to Tempe carrying a check with seven figures on it. 

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8 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

Further Update: Just noticed a jet just arrived in Sandpoint from North Bend, Oregon. Its registered owner is the same as the owner of the jet that flew from Seattle yesterday and arrived in Sandpoint within 10 minutes of the CTJ/Eltife jet’s arrival.

Anyone from the Oregon staff that would fit the bill for UT’s final defensive hire? Andy Avalos, whose title at Oregon is “DC/Edge” coach, was the DL coach under Kwaitkowski at Boise State. And Keith Hayward, their “Co-DC/Safeties” coach, was DB coach at Washington under Sark and followed Sark to USC where Hayward was Passing Game Coordinator and DB coach. 

Heyward had been mentioned quite often at the start of the search but his named died off when Joseph was named

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Further Update: Just noticed a jet just arrived in Sandpoint from North Bend, Oregon. Its registered owner is the same as the owner of the jet that flew from Seattle yesterday and arrived in Sandpoint within 10 minutes of the CTJ/Eltife jet’s arrival.

Anyone from the Oregon staff that would fit the bill for UT’s final defensive hire? Andy Avalos, whose title at Oregon is “DC/Edge” coach, was the DL coach under Kwaitkowski at Boise State. And Keith Hayward, their “Co-DC/Safeties” coach, was DB coach at Washington under Sark and followed Sark to USC where Hayward was Passing Game Coordinator and DB coach. 

North Bend not really close to either universities in Oregon. Both have airfields in the city... but who knows

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35 minutes ago, DanTheHorn said:

Transition classes

Charlie #17 with 8 4* recruits (88.09 avg grade)

Herman #25 with 7 4* recruits (87.58 avg grade)

Sark #17 with one 5* and 8 4* stars (88.81 avg grade)

The recruiting he did with this coaching staff more than makes up for this transition class and even like that we are still ahead of the last two classes.

You're counting 2021 as a Sark transition class, when Herman wasn't fired until after NSD1? 

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Heyward had been mentioned quite often at the start of the search but his named died off when Joseph was named

Interesting. Heyward seems to have a pretty good development record on the CB side of the backfield, so maybe Joseph as PGC focused on Safeties and Heyward focused on DBs could make sense? Similar to role Raymond has been speculated about playing. With Pete K. with good portion of responsibility for the LB unit, as mentioned a couple pages ago.

Heyward seems to be a pretty good recruiter based solely on his bio, but not sure he would check the defensive “rain maker” box we’re hoping for. 

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You're counting 2021 as a Sark transition class, when Herman wasn't fired until after NSD1? 

No I am counting 2021 as Sark's inherited transition class but yet it is the class we got. So I was just trying to say even though Herman got a shit class as far as transition classes go it was better than the last two.

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1 minute ago, Reese Bennett said:

My guess is somebody wants to play golf at Bandon Dunes.

Sheep Ranch, fifth course at Bandon Dunes, opens June 1

CHIEF Jr.'s best friend just graduated from Texas Southern (golf scholarship) and is the marketing coordinator at Bandon Dunes. I'll text him to get on top of the situation.

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48 minutes ago, jdhorn92 said:

Man talk about random.  I'm up there a couple times a year.  Got family in SP, moved from Southern CA years ago.

They have property on the Clark Fork just inside MT border.  We have a fish trip every year.  Ive probably played the course you are referring to.

I know this is random, but my cousin has spoken about a guy up there from TX that he knows well.  We may know some of the same people. 

The club is the Idaho Club. I'm not a huge golfer but since we aren't there all the time, I thought it would be smart to be in a gated community. Plus, houses in golf communities seem to maintain their value. There is an ex-OL coach who spent some time on this board evaluating 2021 Texas targets who lives in Coeur d’Alene.

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North Bend not really close to either universities in Oregon. Both have airfields in the city... but who knows

I was in North Bend for a few days in 2019. Unless we're looking to round out our staff with a logger or commercial fisherman, I doubt we found him there. 

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CHIEF Jr.'s best friend just graduated from Texas Southern (golf scholarship) and is the marketing coordinator at Bandon Dunes. I'll text him to get on top of the situation.

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Well, he is off today and tomorrow, and we will already know by Thursday. 

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5 minutes ago, immamac said:

Guys, I've been fucking buried at work. Does this mean we are done hiring? did we fill all the slots? Coaching staff fully assembled?

One more coach - CB, iLB or DE/rush end. I would go CB but iLB is more likely.

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Was anything definitive said on Carrington's status or are we in wait and see mode still?

Love the coaching ability on defensive side of the ball, but sure would like to hang onto Carrington to help recruit as it seems the defensive staff could be a little behind the offensive side as far as recruiting ability.  I'm sure Sark has his support staff as well, but BC has the current local connections and could help us not have any hop-off issues through the transition.  

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Was anything definitive said on Carrington's status or are we in wait and see mode still?

Love the coaching ability on defensive side of the ball, but sure would like to hang onto Carrington to help recruit as it seems the defensive staff could be a little behind the offensive side as far as recruiting ability.  I'm sure Sark has his support staff as well, but BC has the current local connections and could help us not have any hop-off issues through the transition.  

pretty sure he's staying

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(Ian Boyd) Quick thoughts on Pete Kwiatkowski

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Pete Kwiatkowski has caught my eye many times over the years for what he's done as a defensive coordinator out west. One of his initial wins was serving as the D-line coach for the 2006 Boise State Broncos when they stopped the Adrian Peterson Oklahoma Sooners in the Fiesta Bowl. Everyone remembers those dominant Boise State teams that followed in the late 2000s and early 2010s for the dynamic offenses, particularly the Kellen Moore units (Titus Young and Austin Pettis never got their due, those teams had NFL-verified space forces), but the defenses were choking offenses out. The 2009 Broncos, arguably their finest team, sandwiched their season by shutting down Oregon 19-8 in the season opener and stuffing the Andy-Dalton TCU Frogs 17-10 in the Fiesta Bowl to conclude the season.

Kwiatkowski took over as Chris Petersen's defensive coordinator the following year and posted this resume in the seasons since:

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What about Jimmy Lake?

This is a great time to discuss the dynamic between Jimmy Lake and Pete Kwiatkowski up in Seattle. Jimmy Lake could easily be perceived to have been the mastermind behind the Washington defense given:

A) Lake took over as coordinator and play-caller (unless Mike Leach is to be believed) after the 2017 season. The reason coming out of the program was they desired to keep Lake and not allow him to be poached so Kwiatkowski offered to be demoted to non-playcaller in order to give Lake a reason to stay. Obviously Lake was later made head coach when Chris Petersen retired.

B) The defense technically slipped in 2020 after Lake moved up to head coach and Kwiatkowski became sole DC. I'll note here that Washington got hit by COVID and volunteered their place in the Pac-12 Championship game because they couldn't field a team.

C) Lake is an unmistakable witch when it comes to identifying, recruiting, and developing defensive backs. A fair number of the 17 players drafted above were his defensive backs.

Here's the counter.

A) The Washington defense was very effective under Kwiatkowski before Lake was promoted and didn't really change in structure or tendency after Lake was promoted.

B) 10 of the defenders drafted from our table above were defensive linemen coached by Kwiatkowski. Those players include some Boise State defensive lines with absolutely unreal talent along with a host of really good defensive tackles and outside linebackers from Washington such as Danny Shelton, Vita Vea, Greg Gaines, and Travis Feeney.

Check out this 2011 Boise State starting defensive line:
Defensive end: Shea McClellin. 2-star Idaohan turned 1st round draft pick.
Defensive tackle: Chase Baker. 2-star Californian turned UDFA.
Nose tackle: Billy Winn. 3-star Nevadan turned 6th round pick.
Defensive end: Tyrone Crawford: 3-star Californian turned 3rd round pick.

After losing those guys, Kwiatkowski reloaded with a 3-star Kansan named DeMarcus Lawrence he helped mold into a 2nd round pick and eventual Hall of Famer.

All that to say, it wasn't just Lake doing work in the eval and development game up in Washington. There's a reason he was going to make $1.1 million to coordinate the Huskies this season.

Lake was beloved for his recruiting chops and masterful coaching but the schematic heavy lifting appears to have been done by Kwiatkowski, who is obviously no slouch as an evaluator and coach in his own right. We'll see how things shake out but it's reasonable to suppose he'll continue to coach the EDGE positions, let Bo Davis handle the tackles and the recruiting, and likely bring a linebacker coach while leaving Blake Gideon and Terry Joseph to handle the secondary.

The Pete Kwiatkowski approach

The reason I've known about Kwiatkowski for some time now is due to his approach in defending the spread. He's been good at it, to say the least. He was ahead of the curve in Boise State running quarters from the 4-2-5 and at Washington was using multiple fronts, including 2-4-5 looks and 3-down tite fronts while they played just a few single-high coverages on the back end.

This raises the big question for a Kwiatkowski defense at Texas. Is he married to the single-high defensive approach or to what Washington was doing up front? As it happens, I think what the Huskies were doing up front was the most impressive component to their approach, on the back end they "just" executed really well and relied on deep safeties playing 15 yards off the ball at the snap to erase mistakes.

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My man is already backpedaling from 15-deep at the snap. Elsewhere, they're matching up pretty tight. #WeUseDeepSafetyLikeNFL

So at Texas, will Blake Gideon be charged with explaining to the Texas safeties the art of staying on top of everything? Or will they mix things up with more quarters?

Speaking of deep safeties, here's what I've loved about the Kwiatkowski defenses I've watched over the years. First, they defer stress to the box and prioritize coverage. When they were locking up the Gardner Minshew/Mike Leach Cougars they did so without playing anyone heavier than 221 pounds off the ball: https://www.footballstudyhall.com/2019/5/16/18627777/master-class-chess-games-of-2018-mike-leach-vs-jimmy-lake-pete-kwiatkowski-washington-state-air-raid

They used a 3-2-6 in that game and based year to year from a multiple 3-3-5/4-2-5 approach with a hybrid jack linebacker who could be a defensive end or outside linebacker. At nickel? They played a cornerback. At middle linebacker, that position I've been noting gets put through the ringer every year in the Big 12? They essentially played a box safety. The best middle linebacker they've fielded was unquestionably Ben Burr-Kirven, a 220 pounder who logged 176 freaking tackles as a senior in 2018. BBK had the athleticism to drop, cover, and then close and tackle guys around the line of scrimmage.

There are defensive coordinators who want to design the defense to orient around their unit and there are those who ask their unit to shoulder the heavier loads, Kwiatkowski is the latter. Washington was flooding their defensive backfield with speed and versatility at the expense of having loads of big guys up front to help his defensive line.

The other aspect of his defenses I love is how they pressure. With disguise, multiplicity, and MINIMAL numbers. Here's a typical Kwiatkowski zone blitz:

At the snap they have a 46 front with the inside linebackers mugged up on the line to hold the attention of offensive linemen. After the snap? They rush three, get immediate pressure, and then the quarterback has to make something throwing against a drop eight coverage with those linebackers in position to spy and shadow his movements.

Before any of you recruitniks panic, yes they do get sacks and some numbers for their good edge rushers. Also remember what I said above about Kwiatkowski putting multiple NFL D-linemen in the league. You won't watch Husky film and come away thinking they aren't a team that pressures the quarterback much or effectively. In fact, you'll watch the film and be shocked to learn they usually rush the passer in groups of three or four only. It doesn't look that way.

Kwiatkowski understands how you beat the spread and how to do so from a school with good players. You flood the backfield with speed, defer stress to your defensive line, and then you make sure you field some war daddies who can be Atlas up front.

Yellow light

Here's the part where I give you reasons to slow down in believing Steve Sarkisian's just landed the ultimate hiring coup. I mean, he might be, I hope that's clear. This was a fantastic hire. Still, you never know for sure.

Here are the issues I see coming out of the gate.

The first is that while I'd downplay the notion Jimmy Lake was responsible for the success of Washington's defenses, it's not like he wasn't a factor. To go from having Jimmy Lake overseeing defensive back recruiting and development to relying on Terry Joseph and Blake Gideon isn't an obvious home run. Texas theoretically shouldn't have any trouble recruiting elite athletes to fill out the secondary and I'd say Joseph and Gideon are highly unlikely to be total duds, Notre Dame played good football last year. However, it could be a downgrade from what Kwiatkowski is accustomed to.

The second is the fit to the roster. Kwiatkowski is going to have to do some serious thinking about whether he wants to maintain the single-high coverage approach they utilized at Washington, which can be RPO'd to some extent, in order to make it easy to play 4-man fronts. Or if they want to move to 3-down fronts more akin to what Iowa State or (occasionally) TCU utilizes.

If you ran back the recent Washington Husky schemes with Texas' current personnel you'd likely land on a configuration like this:

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D'Shawn Jamison is baby shark over there at left cornerback, Darion Dunn from McNeese State would be the call at right cornerback in my estimation with physical Josh Thompson playing the nickel. Ideally they could move those guys around and just match Thompson on the biggest receiver whether that's inside or outside. Chris Adimora slides inside to strong safety and spends his time either shadowing tight ends around the box or dropping deep, ditto B.J. Foster at free safety. DeMarvion Overshown slides to middle linebacker and Juwan Mitchell is covered up more playing in the box and with edge Ray Thornton helping drop now and again to eliminate how much space he needs to cover.

You know, now that I look at this..the fit looks pretty good. Don't sweat too much, Pete, but be wary, there are some in your profession who have referred to the Big 12 as "the defensive coordinator graveyard."

 

 

I saw "Quick Thoughts" and then that it was from Ian Boyd, with a spoiler, and I thought: "No fucking way this is going to be 'quick'" and hahahahahahaha after I clicked the spoiler. That fucking guy is greatness in his obliviousness.

Hell is a very small place, and Ian Boyd will be sitting there, waiting to read me aloud all of his write-ups. I doubt we could get through the entire catalogue once, if only given eternity to get through it. I'm going to call HenryJames and proceed to just start reading this latest text wall to him until he hangs up.

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