Sark after dark COACHING STAFF thread

[Doc Reeves 6434]

7 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Glad we're keeping McConaughey

 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

6 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Nothing derails a thread like the Eyes coming up.

Anyway, in the recruiting thread Sark had a call to work to hold on to JD Coffey, and on it was Carrington, Drayton, and Chang, so we might be holding on to more of the support staff than originally thought.

Chang is for sure moving on tho, no?

[texifornia 58789]

1 minute ago, Doc Reeves said:

Chang is for sure moving on tho, no?

Nothing is confirmed, but he's still recruiting for us now.

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

Bobby's update:

Texas coach Steve Sarkisian continues to evaluate and pursue coaches for various positions on his staff.

Several coaches remain possibilities at various positions. IT first reported the following names on Sunday:

- AJ Milwee - QBs - current offensive analyst for Alabama
- Kyle Flood - OL, possible OC or co-OC - current OL coach for Alabama
- Jeff Banks - TE/ST coach - current OL/ST coach for Alabama
- Keary Colbert - WR coach - current WR coach for Southern Cal
- Bo Davis - DL coach - current DL coach for Detroit Lions

They all remain in play.

National media outlets have subsequently reported Bama WR coach Holmon Wiggins, Ole Miss DB coach Blake Gideon, Falcons DL/OLB coach Tosh Lupoi, Arkansas defensive coordinator Barry Odom and offensive line coach Brad Davis, and others as possibilities.

Couple of notes:

- It would not surprise us if Sarkisian actually already has all of his staff on offense completely lined up. All of it.

- One of the tell-tale signs of Sarkisian being so far along in attracting his staff on offense is the complete lack of chatter about other candidates in the coaching world. Between Gerry, Eric and I, we have been burning up the phone lines and texting our contacts from our years of experience. The resulting "noise" on the offensive side of the ball is just remarkably low. As in, we have barely heard of any other coaches even brought up as considerations.

- As one former Texas receivers coach texted me last night, "it sounds like he's got his guys (on offense)."

- Given the advances he's made in developing the offensive staff, Sarkisian must now focus on finding a coach capable of managing the entire defense.

- The decision of Will Muschamp to withdraw his name from consideration (note: IT was told Muschamp did not turn the job down, as one national outlet has reported) clouded what seemed to be a possible straight-forward hire for defensive coordinator.

- Initially, it was thought Muschamp or current Texas DC Chris Ash would be the choice as Sarkisian's first DC at Texas. But based on our sources, the search has widened. Meanwhile, Ash is thought to be a candidate at Arizona for their new head coach Jedd Fisch.

- The widening of possible DC choices likely impacts other staffing positions on defense. Often a new DC will want to bring at least one assistant he is comfortable with, just as Ash brought cornerback coach Jay Valai with him a year ago.

- In sum, the defensive staff appears to be a work in progress.

- One such coach that could be part of that progress is LSU DB coach Corey Raymond. Tosh Lupoi is another, as is Bo Davis. But how all of those pieces fit together is yet to be determined.

We expect to have more updates on coaching moves today as we continue to work the phones.

**

IT was also first to report that Texas RB coach Stan Drayton would be retained, and that no other on-field coach on offense would return.

Drayton is seen as a key figure in the recruitment of Bijan Robinson, both coming out of high school and Robinson's return to Texas for next season.

Drayton is also highly regarded in the coaching industry, with success at Florida, Ohio State and in the pros with the Chicago Bears before coming to Texas.

It's interesting to note that Drayton was one of only two hires of Tom Herman's initial staff at Texas that did not come with him from Houston. Tim Beck, now the OC at NC State, was the other.

**

Of all the defensive coaches, current linebacker coach Coleman Hutzler may have the best chance of sticking with the Horns. We are told that Hutzler was given glowing recommendations by multiple coaches to Sarkisian. However, it again all comes back to who the next defensive coordinator will be, and how all of the pieces fit together.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Hiphopopotamos

[SydneyCarton 49329]

Keeping Chang and Carrington as a team would be a big win for us, imo. Recruiting visits and evaluations and relationships were always a strong point. Just not from Herman and his assistant coaches. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

5 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Man if these are issues the AD/BMDs are gonna freak when they do any amount of background on Sark...

Or, it might just put into perspective the enormity of Tom’s cockfacedness

Tom burned bridges at a truly incredible rate, and not by stepping on toes, more like kicking in the balls.  I’m no Mr. Insider, but everyone hated him and it’s quite frankly impressive to get that group to agree on anything

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Keeping Chang and Carrington as a team would be a big win for us, imo. Recruiting visits and evaluations and relationships were always a strong point. Just not from Herman and his assistant coaches. 

IT reported yesterday that Chang being retained was 'not likely'.  Chang being the intermediary on the Coffey calls provides me a little bit of optimism that maybe Sark does decide to retain him.

[FloridaHorn 4864]

5 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

Or, it might just put into perspective the enormity of Tom’s cockfacedness

Tom burned bridges at a truly incredible rate, and not by stepping on toes, more like kicking in the balls.  I’m no Mr. Insider, but everyone hated him and it’s quite frankly impressive to get that group to agree on anything

Agreed...even more disturbing is the total lack of support Herman has received from current and former players. In fact, most of the chatter has been more of a "good riddance" type. This is a common occurrence with people who have no humility, and spend a tremendous amount of effort in trying to be an asshole in general.

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

From Gerry:

Don't underestimate the Jeff Banks/Kyle Flood continuity on the field and in recruiting.

Banks is the lead recruiter on more than 10 2022's in Texas for Alabama.

Banks and Flood are tag team recruiting 2022 OL's ...

Devon Campbell
Neto Umeozulu
Kelvin Banks
Cole Hutson
Jaylen Early
Kam Dewberry

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

Gerry in response to a question about Tosh and Raymond both needing the Co-DC title:

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Tosh has to have that tag.

Not sure Raymond would.

 

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

21 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

Or, it might just put into perspective the enormity of Tom’s cockfacedness

Tom burned bridges at a truly incredible rate, and not by stepping on toes, more like kicking in the balls.  I’m no Mr. Insider, but everyone hated him and it’s quite frankly impressive to get that group to agree on anything

Tom's legacy at Texas will be united the big money, president of the university, and BoR like no other coach has. For that we thank you for being a miserable know it all prick.

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

5 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Gerry in response to a question about Tosh and Raymond both needing the Co-DC title:

 

If Raymond does leave LSU you know shit is bad down there right now. I don't think it would need a co-dc title either but he'll probably get a title such as passing game coordinator or something like that.

[BornAndRaised 12822]

Was there any reason we were expecting to here more solid info on Wednesday? I would think the announcements would start rolling fast after the National Championship but I can't really see a reason he'd want to upset the status quo at Bama till after that.

[Thiefery 5108]

1 minute ago, BornAndRaised said:

Was there any reason we were expecting to here more solid info on Wednesday? I would think the announcements would start rolling fast after the National Championship but I can't really see a reason he'd want to upset the status quo at Bama till after that.

think the game might be postponed.. hearing tosu has some positive tests

[RollLeft 5088]

4 minutes ago, Thiefery said:

think the game might be postponed.. hearing tosu has some positive tests

Thats bs.  Man the field with who you have.  

[victory88 5755]

It's looking more and more like Sark had put together the offensive staff at Bama.  If he's getting all of those guys to follow him, it means they believe in his system and they believe that their success is tied with Sark.  That is a very positive sign.  I also like that the names mentioned on offense have all worked together recently and this should be easy for Sark to implement his offense at Texas when he doesn't to take time to teach the coaches.

 

On defense, this is where it gets a bit tricky.  Not sure how Bo Davis, Raymond, Lupoi will work together.  Those guys are badass recruiters.  Honestly I saw we get those 3 and let Ash and Huztler stay on board and let those two coordinate the defense.  Lupoi can be Co-DC.  Huztler can be schematic coordinator or whatever title you want to create.  I do think continuity is important.  We've seen Ash make progress and I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to let him build on that and surround him with elite recruiters.  Keep the defense simple.  Get better athletes, line them up properly, and coach them fundamentals.  Do that and we'll get enough stops to let our offense do their thing.  If they want to bring in Odom, sure... he's a badass as well.  

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

4 minutes ago, victory88 said:

It's looking more and more like Sark had put together the offensive staff at Bama.  If he's getting all of those guys to follow him, it means they believe in his system and they believe that their success is tied with Sark.  That is a very positive sign.  I also like that the names mentioned on offense have all worked together recently and this should be easy for Sark to implement his offense at Texas when he doesn't to take time to teach the coaches.

 

On defense, this is where it gets a bit tricky.  Not sure how Bo Davis, Raymond, Lupoi will work together.  Those guys are badass recruiters.  Honestly I saw we get those 3 and let Ash and Huztler stay on board and let those two coordinate the defense.  Lupoi can be Co-DC.  Huztler can be schematic coordinator or whatever title you want to create.  I do think continuity is important.  We've seen Ash make progress and I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to let him build on that and surround him with elite recruiters.  Keep the defense simple.  Get better athletes, line them up properly, and coach them fundamentals.  Do that and we'll get enough stops to let our offense do their thing.  If they want to bring in Odom, sure... he's a badass as well.  

Lupoi is a really good coach too, not just a recruiter. He can coach DL/LB.

Raymond is also a really good coach too.

Bo Davis is a good interior defensive line coach. While not as strong of a recruiter as the two above he's no slouch in recruiting either.

Hutzler is a rising star in the defensive coaching world and has a ton of potential. He's a guy you keep for that alone and groom him.

 

[Elmer_Fudd 22960]

28 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

From Gerry:

Don't underestimate the Jeff Banks/Kyle Flood continuity on the field and in recruiting.

Banks is the lead recruiter on more than 10 2022's in Texas for Alabama.

Banks and Flood are tag team recruiting 2022 OL's ...

Devon Campbell
Neto Umeozulu
Kelvin Banks
Cole Hutson
Jaylen Early
Kam Dewberry

This.  We can't whiff on OL in state again in another loaded year.

[Elmer_Fudd 22960]

6 minutes ago, victory88 said:

On defense, this is where it gets a bit tricky.  Not sure how Bo Davis, Raymond, Lupoi will work together.  Those guys are badass recruiters.  Honestly I saw we get those 3 and let Ash and Huztler stay on board and let those two coordinate the defense.  Lupoi can be Co-DC.  Huztler can be schematic coordinator or whatever title you want to create.  I do think continuity is important.  We've seen Ash make progress and I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to let him build on that and surround him with elite recruiters.  Keep the defense simple.  Get better athletes, line them up properly, and coach them fundamentals.  

This is my dream scenario for the defensive staff.  Give em' whatever titles/$$ they want.  

[immamac 44200]

So I know CFB is all cut-throat and stuff, but is there not an unwritten rule that you don't take large chunks of the staff with you when you depart? It's not that I don't like the Alabama assistants, but it seems really strange that there's no anti-poaching clauses. Maybe that's what you guys were referring to with the special titles? No lateral poaching?

[FloridaHorn 4864]

2 minutes ago, victory88 said:

It's looking more and more like Sark had put together the offensive staff at Bama.  If he's getting all of those guys to follow him, it means they believe in his system and they believe that their success is tied with Sark.  That is a very positive sign.  I also like that the names mentioned on offense have all worked together recently and this should be easy for Sark to implement his offense at Texas when he doesn't to take time to teach the coaches.

 

On defense, this is where it gets a bit tricky.  Not sure how Bo Davis, Raymond, Lupoi will work together.  Those guys are badass recruiters.  Honestly I saw we get those 3 and let Ash and Huztler stay on board and let those two coordinate the defense.  Lupoi can be Co-DC.  Huztler can be schematic coordinator or whatever title you want to create.  I do think continuity is important.  We've seen Ash make progress and I think it wouldn't be a bad idea to let him build on that and surround him with elite recruiters.  Keep the defense simple.  Get better athletes, line them up properly, and coach them fundamentals.  Do that and we'll get enough stops to let our offense do their thing.  If they want to bring in Odom, sure... he's a badass as well.  

Not sure if Ash will stay, if he is forced to lose Valai. Odom probably means no to Raymond. I would be for bringing in Raymond and Lupoi and mix them in with what's already here. Give Lupoi the Associate HC title and give Raymond the Co DC title

[RGBIII 23009]

Banks and Flood alone is boned worthy and better than anyone Chuck or Tom had on their initial staffs

[RGBIII 23009]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

So I know CFB is all cut-throat and stuff, but is there not an unwritten rule that you don't take large chunks of the staff with you when you depart? It's not that I don't like the Alabama assistants, but it seems really strange that there's no anti-poaching clauses. Maybe that's what you guys were referring to with the special titles? No lateral poaching?

Fwiw Flood is a Sark guy, not a Saban guy. Came with him from the Falcons. So really it would just be Banks he’s “poaching”

[FloridaHorn 4864]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

So I know CFB is all cut-throat and stuff, but is there not an unwritten rule that you don't take large chunks of the staff with you when you depart? It's not that I don't like the Alabama assistants, but it seems really strange that there's no anti-poaching clauses. Maybe that's what you guys were referring to with the special titles? No lateral poaching?

In general, I would say yes...but in this case, I think Saban's new OC will get to assemble his own support staff.

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

Is anyone missing? 

 

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Fwiw Flood is a Sark guy, not a Saban guy. Came with him from the Falcons. So really it would just be Banks he’s “poaching”

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

10 minutes ago, victory88 said:

If he's getting all of those guys to follow him, it means they believe in his system and they believe that their success is tied with Sark.

Maybe. Maybe there is a change coming at the top at Alabama, and Sarkisian wasn't actually a candidate for that job because the school has someone else in mind, so these guys don't want to stick around and see if they'll still have jobs at Alabama under the new head coach. 

Assistants move around a lot. Some of that is by choice and some isn't. If you're an assistant at Alabama and you think next year will be Saban's last, following Sarkisian from Tuscaloosa to Austin for equal or better money and an equal or better job title might look preferable to saying "I'll just hang out here and see if I get pushed out in a year or two". 

[Elmer_Fudd 22960]

3 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Fwiw Flood is a Sark guy, not a Saban guy. Came with him from the Falcons. So really it would just be Banks he’s “poaching”

And maybe Banks wants to come back to the state, who knows?

[Richter 2373]

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Is anyone missing? 

 

Are we sure Giles is out?

[Chuckie Finster 22978]

6 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Banks and Flood alone is boned worthy and better than anyone Chuck or Tom had on their initial staffs

Agreed.  Also I will never, ever get over that THIS dude is one of the most feared recruiters in the country.

 

[horn_of_the_morning 999]

An reasonable take on Sark in general and his network in particular (at the end).

 

 

[Hookem2147 21930]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Is anyone missing? 

 

Blake Gideon hasn’t coached offense at any point in his career so there’s no chance he would be TE coach. He does have ST experience but his position group would have to be the secondary (corners or safeties) if he came on board.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Hookem2147

[billfromlaketravis 11784]

So if Muschamp is out...what Saban coaching tree DCs are available? Outside of Muschamp, I haven't seen another one mentioned. 

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

1 minute ago, Hookem2147 said:

Blake Gideon hasn’t coached offense at any point in his career so there’s no chance he would be TE coach. He does have ST experience but his position group would have to be the secondary (corners or safeties) if he came on board.

I placed him there for his ST coaching.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

2 minutes ago, Richter said:

Are we sure Giles is out?

that would be such a positive sign

I'm looking for tea leaves I like, mucking out rot like Oscar Giles would certainly constitute that, the same way Plonsky getting marginalized was a tremendously positive sign that CDC was willing to tackle the $500 pillow culture

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

2 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Blake Gideon hasn’t coached offense at any point in his career

you don't want him teaching dudes how to catch the ball? 

[Viper 12212]

4 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Agreed.  Also I will never, ever get over that THIS dude is one of the most feared recruiters in the country.

 

maybe he reels them in by offering his tax and accounting services for free.

[GeoffE 37]

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Is anyone missing? 

 

Pretty sure that Gerry said Nielsen was happy in the NFL and wasn't coming back to college.

Where has Joyner been mentioned other than by random posters on message boards? He would be a damn good hire, but I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere as of yet.

[closetohumping 17782]

45 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

From Gerry:

Don't underestimate the Jeff Banks/Kyle Flood continuity on the field and in recruiting.

Banks is the lead recruiter on more than 10 2022's in Texas for Alabama.

Banks and Flood are tag team recruiting 2022 OL's ...

Devon Campbell
Neto Umeozulu
Kelvin Banks
Cole Hutson
Jaylen Early
Kam Dewberry

Seems like these two are close to being in?

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

Ideally this would be the dream staff:

 

HC - Sark

Co-OC/OL: Kyle Flood

Co-OC/WR: Any of the 3 listed on that spreadsheet.

QB: AJ Milwee

TE: Jeff Banks

 

Some kind of combination of the following

DC - Ash/Odom/Muschamp(even though the reports say otherwise)

DL - Tosh Lupoi/Bo Davis

LB - Coleman Hutzler/Muschamp

DB/CB - Ash/Odom/Raymond

ST - Blake Gideon

 

 

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

Seems like these two are close to being in?

Bobby's article says that they are not hearing any other names for those positions - so its likely he's pretty much done on that side of the ball.

A Banks/Flood combo would be incredible.  Fingers crossed for Banks - Bobby thinks thats one coach Saban won't give up without a fight.

[closetohumping 17782]

17 minutes ago, immamac said:

So I know CFB is all cut-throat and stuff, but is there not an unwritten rule that you don't take large chunks of the staff with you when you depart? It's not that I don't like the Alabama assistants, but it seems really strange that there's no anti-poaching clauses. Maybe that's what you guys were referring to with the special titles? No lateral poaching?

New OC usually wants his guys though bama is a bit different as their oc may already be on staff.  Also saban may be done soon.  I have no doubt he and sark had these conversations though 

[Chili dog 1808]

8 hours ago, maninblack said:

Just agreeing with you and trying to shoot down any hopes to the contrary. Didn’t mean to suggest you thought it might happen. 

[FloridaHorn 4864]

3 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Ideally this would be the dream staff:

 

HC - Sark

Co-OC/OL: Kyle Flood

Co-OC/WR: Any of the 3 listed on that spreadsheet.

QB: AJ Milwee

TE: Jeff Banks

 

Some kind of combination of the following

DC - Ash/Odom/Muschamp(even though the reports say otherwise)

DL - Tosh Lupoi/Bo Davis

LB - Coleman Hutzler/Muschamp

DB/CB - Ash/Odom/Raymond

ST - Blake Gideon

 

 

Just give the Associate HC title to Lupoi and pay the man...He and Raymond would bring unbelievable talent to this defense, regardless of who the DC is.

[markstanco 12773]

8 hours ago, Vertigo said:

Gideon maybe, no on Akina.

[Hiphopopotamos 21158]

4 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Ideally this would be the dream staff:

 

HC - Sark

Co-OC/OL: Kyle Flood

Co-OC/WR: Any of the 3 listed on that spreadsheet.

QB: AJ Milwee

TE: Jeff Banks

 

Some kind of combination of the following

DC - Ash/Odom/Muschamp(even though the reports say otherwise)

DL - Tosh Lupoi/Bo Davis

LB - Coleman Hutzler/Muschamp

DB/CB - Ash/Odom/Raymond

ST - Blake Gideon

 

 

FWIW - Banks was the Special Teams coordinator at both aggy and now at Alabama.

[LTtxfan 49912]

Good Chemistry on the Defensive Staff, along with great recruiting, coaching, and developing players are really important for Sark's early success at TEXAS.

Agree that mixing a group of great assistants that don't get along will just cause problems...

[BurntOrange&White 41656]

Just now, markstanco said:

All these years later and I still have no clue why the fuck he was at Denny's.

[RGBIII 23009]

15 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Maybe. Maybe there is a change coming at the top at Alabama, and Sarkisian wasn't actually a candidate for that job because the school has someone else in mind, so these guys don't want to stick around and see if they'll still have jobs at Alabama under the new head coach. 

Assistants move around a lot. Some of that is by choice and some isn't. If you're an assistant at Alabama and you think next year will be Saban's last, following Sarkisian from Tuscaloosa to Austin for equal or better money and an equal or better job title might look preferable to saying "I'll just hang out here and see if I get pushed out in a year or two". 

Nah it sounds like Bama really wanted sark as the next guy but Saban wasn’t going to leave for two years at least. Sark didn’t want to risk it and took texas instead. Bama wanted to do the Day/Riley plan of action

[Gut Wagon 8214]

Just now, Hiphopopotamos said:

FWIW - Banks was the Special Teams coordinator at both aggy and now at Alabama.

I like bringing in a ST coach who has the best college football player in America playing gunner on the punt team. Seriously, that's getting guys to buy in.