Sark after dark COACHING STAFF thread

[BurntOrange&White 39,717]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

FWIW - Banks was the Special Teams coordinator at both aggy and now at Alabama.

Okay, shit! Well whatever...just get Banks!

 

I think this defensive staff would be good. If Odom wants that CB coach then I don't know what to tell ya because Raymond would be a huge get.

 

DC - Odom(Coach either LB or Safeties as he has)

DL - Tosh Lupoi(Recruiting Coordinator, Co-DC, Associate head coach)

LB - Odom/Hutzlert

Secondary - Odom/Raymond

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Nah it sounds like Bama really wanted sark as the next guy but Saban wasn’t going to leave for two years at least. Sark didn’t want to risk it and took texas instead. Bama wanted to do the Day/Riley plan of action

Very possible. Hard to know what the truth is regarding Saban's replacement. Most of the news regarding Sarkisian's staff is encouraging, to be sure. 

[RGBIII 22,798]

9 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Seems like these two are close to being in?

It sounds to me that Banks, Flood and Colbert are all in IMO. I think Wiggins name was floated for a raise by his agent, that’s really the only wheels behind it. And if that’s the offensive staff Sark already hit a fucking home run. If he can replicate that by 75% on the defensive side watch the fuck out! Hell just keeping Ash and Hutzler and upgrading at DL and CB is 85% 

[Bevo14 8,275]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these years later and I still have no clue why the fuck he was at Denny's.

He was banned from Kerbey Lane for dropping his pancakes on the floor too much.

Edited January 5, 2021 by Bevo14

[The Beast 584]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these years later and I still have no clue why the fuck he was at Denny's.

Where else you going to pass the bags?

[SDG 3,319]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these years later and I still have no clue why the fuck he was at Denny's.

You’ve never has a grand slam at 2am?   

[wood 11,186]

6 minutes ago, markstanco said:

triggered ...

[BurntOrange&White 39,717]

1 minute ago, SDG said:

You’ve never has a grand slam at 2am?   

Not sober.

[Sir Ulrich 5,187]

The biggest positive for Wiggins would be the claim to the first WR heisman in decades. Recruiting would have been fire the first few years under him but by most accounts Colbert will be a solid hire. 

[Doc Reeves 6,434]

22 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Agreed.  Also I will never, ever get over that THIS dude is one of the most feared recruiters in the country.

 

I’d believe it. He looks like an insurance salesman or maybe Savings and Loan officer from the 80’s. 

[closetohumping 17,408]

1 minute ago, Sir Ulrich said:

The biggest positive for Wiggins would be the claim to the first WR heisman in decades. Recruiting would have been fire the first few years under him but by most accounts Colbert will be a solid hire. 

Colbert helps with CA recruiting as well

[Rockethorn1978 6,061]

IMO if you are going to offer the DC job to anyone you need to let ash go. Not sure how good the atmosphere will be if ash is retained only after the other 2-3 guys turned us down. If sark wants a fresh start then release ash then go offer other candidates. I’m done with the 3rd option guys sticking around only because no one else we wanted would come. If you like ash then make him your DC now and keep him.

[texifornia 56,568]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

The biggest positive for Wiggins would be the claim to the first WR heisman in decades. Recruiting would have been fire the first few years under him but by most accounts Colbert will be a solid hire. 

Colbert's actually a better recruiter. Bama fans don't have much love for Wiggins on the trail.

[JesusSweatDuck 17,780]

23 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

you don't want him teaching dudes how to catch the ball? 

Too soon

[Bevo14 8,275]

27 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Agreed.  Also I will never, ever get over that THIS dude is one of the most feared recruiters in the country.

 

[BurntOrange&White 39,717]

1 minute ago, texifornia said:

Colbert's actually a better recruiter. Bama fans don't have much love for Wiggins on the trail.

Colbert and Tee Martin are fantastic recruiters and damn good WR coaches. Wiggins is a good recruiter but great WR coach.

[SwanderedTalent 5,761]

1 minute ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

Not sure how good the atmosphere will be if ash is retained only after the other 2-3 guys turned us down.

That's up to the head coach, Ash, and the new DC. Ohio State hired Ash to co-coordinate their defense with Luke Fickell in 2014 and that could have been the exact kind of dick-waving tension that you're getting at, but they got along extremely well and Ohio State's defense improved significantly. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,717]

3 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

IMO if you are going to offer the DC job to anyone you need to let ash go. Not sure how good the atmosphere will be if ash is retained only after the other 2-3 guys turned us down. If sark wants a fresh start then release ash then go offer other candidates. I’m done with the 3rd option guys sticking around only because no one else we wanted would come. If you like ash then make him your DC now and keep him.

Today and tomorrow should be more clear on the plans and expect more coaches to be officially gone over the course of those days.

[satyanash 14,282]

44 minutes ago, victory88 said:

On defense, this is where it gets a bit tricky.  Not sure how Bo Davis, Raymond, Lupoi will work together.  Those guys are badass recruiters.  Honestly I saw we get those 3 and let Ash and Huztler stay on board and let those two coordinate the defense.

Remember the later Mack years, when Akina was basically running the DBs as his own personal fiefdom and taking no input from Diaz? That's what can happen when a DC doesn't choose his own DBs coach. Better for the defense's sake that Ash leaves if he tries to keep Valai which he probably would.

[bornbama1 106]

12 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Nah it sounds like Bama really wanted sark as the next guy but Saban wasn’t going to leave for two years at least. Sark didn’t want to risk it and took texas instead. Bama wanted to do the Day/Riley plan of action

I think before Saban had to miss the Auburn game due to Covid, he would have likely retired within 2 - 3 years. But after missing that game he said he was stir crazy not being able to coach.  Probably any chance Sark hung around as HCIW went out with that.

At this point I could see Saban die as coach at Bama. Apparently a couple of grandkids hasn't changed the desire to coach.

[Herbie Hancock 7,312]

It’s Herbie Hancock 

Hey man wtf did I do to you?

[Doc Reeves 6,434]

38 minutes ago, immamac said:

So I know CFB is all cut-throat and stuff, but is there not an unwritten rule that you don't take large chunks of the staff with you when you depart? It's not that I don't like the Alabama assistants, but it seems really strange that there's no anti-poaching clauses. Maybe that's what you guys were referring to with the special titles? No lateral poaching?

Certainly adds weight to the rumors that Saban is retiring imo 

[UncleBuck 6,448]

3 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

IMO if you are going to offer the DC job to anyone you need to let ash go. Not sure how good the atmosphere will be if ash is retained only after the other 2-3 guys turned us down.

Ehh. All coaches have huge egos and can get a little butt-hurt, but when it's back to coaching football, most coaches are gunna put their heads down and coordinate their side of the ball as they've always done. 

[Gene Parmesan 3,993]

5 minutes ago, Rockethorn1978 said:

IMO if you are going to offer the DC job to anyone you need to let ash go. Not sure how good the atmosphere will be if ash is retained only after the other 2-3 guys turned us down. If sark wants a fresh start then release ash then go offer other candidates. I’m done with the 3rd option guys sticking around only because no one else we wanted would come. If you like ash then make him your DC now and keep him.

It should happen pretty fast, but I don't have much sympathy for coaches being strung along given their salaries are essentially fully guaranteed.  

[Tex Pete 20,196]

21 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these years later and I still have no clue why the fuck he was at Denny's.

You need to...now stick with me here...
PM derka. 

[Rockethorn1978 6,061]

2 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Ehh. All coaches have huge egos and can get a little butt-hurt, but when it's back to coaching football, most coaches are gunna put their heads down and coordinate their side of the ball as they've always done. 

I agree. I’m not saying they are babies and can’t handle it but you want unity and excitement on your staff. If ash is named the guy after two or three offers to other guys and is good then no biggie. But I think we have seen too that coaches not being happy can cause a disruption. And you don’t really want to already be dealing with that in year one. 

[Gene Parmesan 3,993]

1 minute ago, Doc Reeves said:

Certainly adds weight to the rumors that Saban is retiring imo 

IMO, either Sark was HCIW or Saban is retiring, both can't be true, or we don't land him.

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3,868]

40 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Fwiw Flood is a Sark guy, not a Saban guy. Came with him from the Falcons. So really it would just be Banks he’s “poaching”

Sark was also who brought in Holman Wiggins

[Gut Wagon 8,053]

35 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

Blake Gideon hasn’t coached offense at any point in his career....

Wut? Nobody at UT was ever better at sustaining a drive. 

[GTA-Horn 11]

Just now, Gut Wagon said:

Wut? Nobody at UT was ever better at sustaining a drive. 

Yeah, there was a late hit call that I can't forget despite a decade of counselling. 

[BornAndRaised 12,223]

was this already posted and I missed it?
 

 

[Doc Reeves 6,434]

1 minute ago, Gene Parmesan said:

IMO, either Sark was HCIW or Saban is retiring, both can't be true, or we don't land him.

Probably right, I just want bama to go thru a coaching search. 

[stork642 4,498]

34 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

that would be such a positive sign

I'm looking for tea leaves I like, mucking out rot like Oscar Giles would certainly constitute that, the same way Plonsky getting marginalized was a tremendously positive sign that CDC was willing to tackle the $500 pillow culture

Both Plonsky and Giles have no interest in recruiting 18 year old males.  

[markstanco 12,528]

27 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

All these years later and I still have no clue why the fuck he was at Denny's.

Moons over my hammy, of course. 

[Doc Reeves 6,434]

2 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

was this already posted and I missed it?
 

 

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[RGBIII 22,798]

I like the Keary Colbert hire but I dont necessarily understand him leaving there for a lateral move besides money. Unless he was on his way out somehow or just doesnt want to be tied to Helton. Would prefer Tee Martin would be great and still keep California recruiting at a high level, his all time commit list is beautiful. I am out on Wiggins after looking more into him at VT

[ousux 5,588]

IMO, either Sark was HCIW or Saban is retiring, both can't be true, or we don't land him.

Not neccessarily. One job is immediately after a legend retires, the other is following 2 failed coaches and 7 seasons of futility. Even though we seem impatient, the bammer fanbase has become accustomed to competing for championships every year..anything less (even year one) will cause great rumbling..

[Elmer_Fudd 22,109]

FCB says Sark's deal is 6 years $34.2 million.

[gmr548 16,533]

IMO if you are going to offer the DC job to anyone you need to let ash go. Not sure how good the atmosphere will be if ash is retained only after the other 2-3 guys turned us down. If sark wants a fresh start then release ash then go offer other candidates. I’m done with the 3rd option guys sticking around only because no one else we wanted would come. If you like ash then make him your DC now and keep him.

It might be a little awkward at first but between getting to work with players he knows, a nice defensive class that he helped recruit coming in, lack of equal or better opportunity, and the paycheck, I’m sure he’d get over it pretty quick.

[TexasFan21 1,275]

Cross posting as it may be relevant to assistant money pool.

 

[RandomIdoit 655]

43 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Ideally this would be the dream staff:

 

HC - Sark

Co-OC/OL: Kyle Flood

Co-OC/WR: Any of the 3 listed on that spreadsheet.

QB: AJ Milwee

TE: Jeff Banks

 

Some kind of combination of the following

DC - Ash/Odom/Muschamp(even though the reports say otherwise)

DL - Tosh Lupoi/Bo Davis

LB - Coleman Hutzler/Muschamp

DB/CB - Ash/Odom/Raymond

ST - Blake Gideon

 

 

Doesn’t Banks coach ST also? I think he did at aggy. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,717]

Just now, Elmer_Fudd said:

FCB says Sark's deal is 6 years $34.2 million.

If true, not a bad value at 5.7mil/year 

I'm sure there are tons of incentives for performance.

[UncleBuck 6,448]

1 minute ago, TexasFan21 said:

Cross posting as it may be relevant to assistant money pool.

 

Good deal for both sides, but especially for assistants. Just pour a buncha money into that pool and go get these bastards!

[RGBIII 22,798]

Recruiting profiles

https://247sports.com/Coach/Jeff-Banks-756/ (Currently the #3 recruiter for 2021....)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Tee-Martin-180/AllTimeRecruits/ (ELEVEN!!!!! 5 Stars on his resume)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Keary-Colbert-1776/  (Not great but I will give him a pass with USC not being an easy sell, still young and has NFL skins on the wall)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Kyle-Flood-548/ (Not the prettiest list but that is due to his time at Rutgers)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Holmon-Wiggins-1468/ (Has all the success in the world to sell and its just an OK list, recruiting is the biggest knock on him)

https://247sports.com/Coach/Brad-Davis-3600/ (Actual decent list for where he is at)

[gmr548 16,533]

I like the Keary Colbert hire but I dont necessarily understand him leaving there for a lateral move besides money. Unless he was on his way out somehow or just doesnt want to be tied to Helton. Would prefer Tee Martin would be great and still keep California recruiting at a high level, his all time commit list is beautiful. I am out on Wiggins after looking more into him at VT

Is Colbert confirmed/imminent?

Never coached under Sark so it isn’t a “Sark guy” thing. It’s an odd lateral move - perhaps he’s getting one of them fancy co OC or recruiting titles. Same reason I’m skeptical on Corey Raymond though.

[RGBIII 22,798]

3 minutes ago, Elmer_Fudd said:

FCB says Sark's deal is 6 years $34.2 million.

Wow thats cheaper than Herman  right? 5.7AAV  sure is a smaller number than Urban at 12M...If that is allocated to assistants we are getting fuckin ERRRRRRRRBODY!

[Getafix 28,417]

57 minutes ago, immamac said:

So I know CFB is all cut-throat and stuff, but is there not an unwritten rule that you don't take large chunks of the staff with you when you depart? It's not that I don't like the Alabama assistants, but it seems really strange that there's no anti-poaching clauses. Maybe that's what you guys were referring to with the special titles? No lateral poaching?

 

If there were such a rule, we would probably still have Strong.  Or Herm.

 

[BurntOrange&White 39,717]

Just now, RGBIII said:

Wow thats cheaper than Herman  right? 5.7AAV  sure is a smaller number than Urban at 12M...If that is allocated to assistants we are getting fuckin ERRRRRRRRBODY!

Hopefully our assistant coaching staff budget is around 10 million. Hopefully we have no limit on support staff.

[gmr548 16,533]

 
If there were such a rule, we would probably still have Strong.  Or Herm.
 

The implication was for a coordinator. Departing HCs often do bring large chunks of their staff with them.

[RGBIII 22,798]

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Is Colbert confirmed/imminent?

Never coached under Sark so it isn’t a “Sark guy” thing. It’s an odd lateral move - perhaps he’s getting one of them fancy co OC or recruiting titles. Same reason I’m skeptical on Corey Raymond though.

He was the QB coach at USC when Colbert was a player