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  On 12/10/2024 at 12:19 AM, BevoAbyss said:

Points per game in the Sark era.

OFFENSE

2021: 35 points

2022: 35 points 

2023: 36 points 

2024: 35 points 

By this measure, the one that ultimately counts, Sark's offense averages 35 a game. 

-- Regardless of whether the QB is Casey, Hudson, or Quinn for 3 years. 

Zero difference or improvement across 4 years. Seems like a concern.

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What has improved is the points allowed.

DEFENSE

2021: 29 points (5-7 record)

2022: 26 (8-5)

2023: 19 (12-2)

2024: 11 (11-2 so far)

That's fantastic improvement. 

The defense is why Texas won 12 games last year and has 11 this year.

Not Dr. Pepper Quinn or Sark's supposedly "elite" play calling. 

We have a 16-0 title winning defense saddled with an 8-5 offense. 

 

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I love Sark, but to add to your stats, the trend shows that we can count on about 3-4 2nd half collapses per season.  We survived them the last two seasons for the most part.  

2021

OU:  led 38-20 at half. Lost 55-48

OkSt:  led 24-13 3rd qtr.  lost 32-24

BU:  led 21-10 3rd qtr. lost 31-24

2022

Tech:  Led 31-17 3rd qtr.  lost 37-34

OkSt: Led 31-17 at half. lost 41-34

KSU:  Led 31-10 at half.  won 34-27

2023

Hou:  led 21-0 2nd qtr.  won 31-24

KSU:  led 27-7 3rd qtr.  won 33-30

TCU:  led 26-6 at half.  won 29-26

2024

Vandy:  led 21-7,  squeaked by 27-24

Arky:  led 13-0.  Held on  20-10. 

Kentucky:  not quite, but almost made the list. 

aggie:  17-0 at half.  Tried to hand it to them.  17-7

UGA:  completed dominated for two quarters and had nothing to show for it 6-3 at half time. lost 22-19 (didn’t build a big enough cushion)

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  On 12/14/2024 at 2:20 PM, BarthHollamew said:

I love Sark, but to add to your stats, the trend shows that we can count on about 3-4 2nd half collapses per season.  We survived them the last two seasons for the most part.  

2021

OU:  led 38-20 at half. Lost 55-48

OkSt:  led 24-13 3rd qtr.  lost 32-24

BU:  led 21-10 3rd qtr. lost 31-24

2022

Tech:  Led 31-17 3rd qtr.  lost 37-34

OkSt: Led 31-17 at half. lost 41-34

KSU:  Led 31-10 at half.  won 34-27

2023

Hou:  led 21-0 2nd qtr.  won 31-24

KSU:  led 27-7 3rd qtr.  won 33-30

TCU:  led 26-6 at half.  won 29-26

2024

Vandy:  led 21-7,  squeaked by 27-24

Arky:  led 13-0.  Held on  20-10. 

Kentucky:  not quite, but almost made the list. 

aggie:  17-0 at half.  Tried to hand it to them.  17-7

UGA:  completed dominated for two quarters and had nothing to show for it 6-3 at half time. lost 22-19 (didn’t build a big enough cushion)

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Seems like we need better people up in the box analyzing what’s going on the first half.  Aren’t there people who go thru film during the game looking for adjustments to be made at half or is that just a NFL thing?  If not we need that bad.  

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I think hunting the big play in 2nd halves instead of just moving the chains has hurt us some.  Seems like in a lot of those collapses, there were drives where we threw deep unsuccessfully on 1st and 2nd down.  Sark usually has a great initial game plan, but once teams adjust, it seems we have no counter in certain games.  Georgia moved the chains with their back-up qb, nothing flashy.  Did just enough.  Of course, they established their run game, which helped.  I’d like to see Sark use some wrinkles in the run game early in 2nd halves to break the will of opponents.  Almost happened against aggie until the stupid INT. 

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OFEI

2007 USC - 20

2008 USC - 9

2009 Washington - 35

2010 Washington - 51

2011 Washington - 16

2012 Washington - 72

2013 Washington - 17

2014 USC - 14

2015 USC - 18

2019 Alabama - 2

2020 Alabama - 1

2021 Texas - 35

2022 Texas - 17

2023 Texas - 19

2024 Texas - 19

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  On 12/10/2024 at 7:21 PM, Hookem2147 said:

Our SOS in 2021 was a lot different than last year or this year. When you play extra games like we did in 2023 and this year it is usually against great competition. We faced 5 backup QB’s last year on defense. There are a billion other factors at play. 

Also, saying we have a 8-5 offense is about as kneejerk as one can get. We rank top 25-30 nationally in yards, points, 3rd down and almost every passing statistic. We aren’t 2020 bama but there is middle ground between that and an Alamo Bowl offense.

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A lot different in what manner?  We played the following inn2021:

FEI in 2021.  We played #5, 7, 13, 14, 15 and 16.  We played 16 at a neutral site, 5 at home (think they came off a bye, 7 on the road (both teams off byes) then 14 (on the road at night).  That was 4 games in a row.   That’s brutal.  Any strength of schedule that doesn’t consider the timing and order of when games are played falls short.

 Lost to a terrible KU (117) team but that was Jaylon Daniels too.  If you only included his starts, they weren’t 117.  Then WVU (#62) on the road.

We beat #50 Louisiana by 20.  Their only loss.  We put up 70 on #47 Texas Tech.  Rice was 118, but we beat them 58-0.  Rushed for 427 and scored none in the 4th.  TCU was 79.

The defenses in 2021 included 2, 8, 17, 20 and 21.  Like 5 or 6 in the top 30 of TFLs.

The back end defenses were pretty poor but they were likely worsened by playing us.  We scored 58, 70, 32, and 56 against the bottom 4.  All of that in the first year of the system.

As for 2023, Ok State was #39 in FEI.  So at least worse than half of our 2021 opponents by 1 metric.  I’m assuming the backup QBs are Bean (made a good run an NFL roster, previously started), Wyoming guy (probably didn’t matter), Hoover (retained the role the next year), Morton (retained the role the next year).  Robertson (retained the role the next year).

If you want to introduce that, then you need to say that we missed the starter for MSU, UF (the 3rd guy), OU and A&M.  Michigan, ULM, Kentucky (OU/A&M) all benched their guy due to ineffectiveness.  Beck, Pavia, Green, McCown/Fowler-Nicosi are not Penix, Gabriel, Milroe, Howard, Becht/Hoover/Bean/Jt Daniels.  Even Slovis got to hang around the NFL a bit.

In 2021, you had KJ Jefferson, Duggan, Rattler/Williams, Shough, Sanders, Purdy, Howard, J Daniels, Bohannon.

Lots of factors in play for certain.  The truth is the defense has advanced more than the offense.  The relative strength of our opponents defenses rank from 45 to 29 so it hasn’t changed a ton.  Year 1 you’d expect more hiccups than year 4.

Also, the strength of our opponents offenses goes from 10th to 9th to 10th to 44th for 2021 thru 2024.

2024 - OFEI/ODA 31; DFEI/OOA 44

2023 - 36/10

2022 - 29/9

2021 - 45/10

 

There is a discussion to be had that the 2024 Texas season is the easiest in Sarks tenure.  It’s the crappiest slate of offenses we’ve faced with presumably the worst QB group.  I’d actually say easily the worst.  And the defenses we’ve faced are on par with the other 4 seasons.

i would think once we make this run that will change, but it is noteworthy based on where we stand today.  Those 2024 numbers are better based on the championship game with Georgia.

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  On 12/14/2024 at 3:43 PM, BarthHollamew said:

I think hunting the big play in 2nd halves instead of just moving the chains has hurt us some.  Seems like in a lot of those collapses, there were drives where we threw deep unsuccessfully on 1st and 2nd down.  Sark usually has a great initial game plan, but once teams adjust, it seems we have no counter in certain games.  Georgia moved the chains with their back-up qb, nothing flashy.  Did just enough.  Of course, they established their run game, which helped.  I’d like to see Sark use some wrinkles in the run game early in 2nd halves to break the will of opponents.  Almost happened against aggie until the stupid INT. 

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Fred Akers, David McWilliams, John Mackovick, Mack Brown after Alabama Rose Bowl, Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. That’s what I’ve endured from being a college freshman until now.   I think complaining about Sark (and Quinn for that matter) is fucking stupid. But, if I was going to criticize Sark, it would be this. 

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  On 12/15/2024 at 3:32 AM, CTC2 said:

Fred Akers, David McWilliams, John Mackovick, Mack Brown after Alabama Rose Bowl, Charlie Strong and Tom Herman. That’s what I’ve endured from being a college freshman until now.   I think complaining about Sark (and Quinn for that matter) is fucking stupid. But, if I was going to criticize Sark, it would be this. 

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What part exactly?

 

Baylor and ISU in 2022 were finished off by running the ball down their throat.  Same for Bama 2023.  Arkansas got a heavy dose of run late this year.  Heck maybe TCU in 2021.

I am guessing we’ve rarely thrown deep on 1st and 2nd down when up in 2nd halves.  First drive 2nd half that 21 OU game we ran wide and lost about 3 on first then threw nothing deep on 2nd or 3rd. Tech in 2022 was somewhat sporadic, but we tried running including 4th and 1 on opening drive 2nd half that got stuffed.  No deep balls on that drive.  

Sark has tweaked our approach year over year to adjust for perceived weaknesses.

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    On 12/9/2024 at 6:19 PM, BevoAbyss said:

    Points per game in the Sark era.

    OFFENSE

    2021: 35 points

    2022: 35 points

    2023: 36 points

    2024: 35 points

    By this measure, the one that ultimately counts, Sark's offense averages 35 a game.

    -- Regardless of whether the QB is Casey, Hudson, or Quinn for 3 years.

    Zero difference or improvement across 4 years. Seems like a concern.

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    What has improved is the points allowed.

    DEFENSE

    2021: 29 points (5-7 record)

    2022: 26 (8-5)

    2023: 19 (12-2)

    2024: 11 (11-2 so far)

    That's fantastic improvement.

    The defense is why Texas won 12 games last year and has 11 this year.

    Not Dr. Pepper Quinn or Sark's supposedly "elite" play calling.

    We have a 16-0 title winning defense saddled with an 8-5 offense.

     

I love Sark, but to add to your stats, the trend shows that we can count on about 3-4 2nd half collapses per season.  We survived them the last two seasons for the most part.  

2021

OU:  led 38-20 at half. Lost 55-48

OkSt:  led 24-13 3rd qtr.  lost 32-24

BU:  led 21-10 3rd qtr. lost 31-24

2022

Tech:  Led 31-17 3rd qtr.  lost 37-34

OkSt: Led 31-17 at half. lost 41-34

KSU:  Led 31-10 at half.  won 34-27

2023

Hou:  led 21-0 2nd qtr.  won 31-24

KSU:  led 27-7 3rd qtr.  won 33-30

TCU:  led 26-6 at half.  won 29-26

2024

Vandy:  led 21-7,  squeaked by 27-24

Arky:  led 13-0.  Held on  20-10.

Kentucky:  not quite, but almost made the list.

aggie:  17-0 at half.  Tried to hand it to them.  17-7

UGA:  completed dominated for two quarters and had nothing to show for it 6-3 at half time. lost 22-19 (didn’t build a big enough cushion)

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Biggest complaints about sark’s play calling - often too reliant on the slow developing misdirection, often can’t air it out aggressively if the run is not there. Georgia shuts the run down? Go high tempo, shot gun, 3 step drops, ditch play action, empty back field and get the ball down field and wear out the DL.  Instead he lets them pin their ears back, he runs play action that doesn’t fool anyone and slow developing plays that if a pass play leave the QB back there for 3 seconds before he can even look to throw. 

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i haven't seen this analysis and wanted to know so i ran it...

throw out uga1, it was the only game where our "game control" was non-existent at any point

we had mo in the 2nd half but were not dictating terms

so break the season in half, first 6 (skip uga1) then last 6

here are some basic numbers from the box scores (ignores "should have been x" plays due to penalties, turnovers, fuckery, etc.)

 

first 6:

yards gained 3014

points scored 234

points per yard 0.463

opponents finished season 34-38 (47%)

 

last 6:

yards gained 2563

points scored 163

points per yard 0.375

opponents finished season 42-31 (57%)

 

comparing the last half of the season to the first:

yards gained -15%

points per yard -19%

points scored -30%

 

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  On 12/15/2024 at 3:17 PM, TexArcher said:

We keep scoring 35 points a game and making it to conference championship games even with several of our best offensive players hurt, but we're just not getting better, so I'm not sold!

Fuck's sake, man.

I know it's Surly, but some of y'all need to calm your tits and enjoy what's happening here.  We are solidly in the top 5 programs in college football again, and the recruiting points to that continuing, maybe for a long time.  I had my doubts about Sark a couple of years ago, and yeah he does some frustrating things at times, but this is by far the best coaching we've had since 2009.  The future is really, really bright.

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Dude, we‘’d love 35 pts but it’s been awhile.  This is the trend, down.  

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  On 12/15/2024 at 7:18 PM, nbmishoid said:

Dude, we‘’d love 35 pts but it’s been awhile.  This is the trend, down.  

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I get it, but our #1 RB is out, our #1 QB is playing hurt, and our #1 WR is playing hurt.

Earlier in the season we were dropping 50 point bombs on the bad teams and scoring 31 against Michigan and 34 against ou.  Everything was fine.  And we still didn't have Baxter then.

I just don't understand trying to paint the last few games as evidence of some ongoing offensive problems with this coach.  

Let me ask y'all this -- does anybody doubt that we'll have one of the best offenses in the country next year with Sark calling plays for Arch and CJ?  If you agree with that, then the problem isn't Sark.

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  On 12/15/2024 at 7:30 PM, TexArcher said:

I get it, but our #1 RB is out, our #1 QB is playing hurt, and our #1 WR is playing hurt.

Earlier in the season we were dropping 50 point bombs on the bad teams and scoring 31 against Michigan and 34 against ou.  Everything was fine.  And we still didn't have Baxter then.

I just don't understand trying to paint the last few games as evidence of some ongoing offensive problems with this coach.  

Let me ask y'all this -- does anybody doubt that we'll have one of the best offenses in the country next year with Sark calling plays for Arch and CJ?  If you agree with that, then the problem isn't Sark.

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  On 12/15/2024 at 7:30 PM, TexArcher said:

Let me ask y'all this -- does anybody doubt that we'll have one of the best offenses in the country next year with Sark calling plays for Arch and CJ?  If you agree with that, then the problem isn't Sark.

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I don't think there's any question that I lean towards "sunshine pumper", but we will be losing some serious talent, too, on the line + Helm, some WRs, etc.  I think we're closer to reloading than rebuilding but Sark has his work cut out.

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  On 12/15/2024 at 7:37 PM, jimmyjazz said:

I don't think there's any question that I lean towards "sunshine pumper", but we will be losing some serious talent, too, on the line + Helm, some WRs, etc.  I think we're closer to reloading than rebuilding but Sark has his work cut out.

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most posters will take it. ewers fatigue is real. 

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  On 12/14/2024 at 12:18 AM, Hank Kingsley said:

Sark seems more reserved in interviews the last couple of weeks, even before the UGA game. Maybe he's exhausted at this time of year with coaching/recruiting/portal hitting all at once. Would be completely understandable. But it's noticeable. 

 

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Now watching today's PC, and Sark was in a good mood and looked well rested. Bye week looks to have treated him well. LFG. 

 

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  On 12/15/2024 at 5:15 PM, troph said:
Biggest complaints about sark’s play calling - often too reliant on the slow developing misdirection, often can’t air it out aggressively if the run is not there. Georgia shuts the run down? Go high tempo, shot gun, 3 step drops, ditch play action, empty back field and get the ball down field and wear out the DL.  Instead he lets them pin their ears back, he runs play action that doesn’t fool anyone and slow developing plays that if a pass play leave the QB back there for 3 seconds before he can even look to throw. 

Hey! He’s saving it for round 3!!!
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Cunt bohls is a pussy - he said on finebaum Texas is scared of Georgia and will not want to play them again because they can’t handle them - wtf with Texas media. Terrible media coverage to talk like that on sec national show. Have some balls. Do we have any media reps that talk with their chest dammmmit. 

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I'm very happy with the win today. We might very well win it all this year. 

But no matter how the season ends,  there needs to be a self-audit in the offseason regarding Sark's game management. I have no idea of the inner workings on gameday - who is in the booth upstairs, who he's talking to, what responsibilities other staff members have, etc. But we are struggling with playcalling and decision making that disturbs the positive rhythm and flow of a game. Momentum is real, and Sark manages it very poorly, whether not keeping momentum or too easily giving it away. 

I know a lot of this is psychological and theoretical, but the issue is real. 

 

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Sark is cooking as a HC, but the guy simply has to let go of game day play calling for this program to reach its true potential. The 4th down calls tonight were absolutely awful, minus the crossing pass that Quinn just missed. I can't think of a game this year where we have been in rhythm in the 2nd half and I am convinced it's because he doesn't have the bandwidth or the right view of what the Defense is doing from the sideline. 

Let Sark write the opening game script but then he needs to step back. This program needs someone up in the coaches box calling the plays based on what they are seeing from the D. 

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  On 12/22/2024 at 1:16 AM, Levi said:

I don’t know why went under center with Arch and a back up center in. Thought that was a perfect RPO opportunity with Arch. 

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Don't think it helped we also hurried to the line and quick snapped it. Just unnecessary to try and catch Clemson off-guard there, particularly with the backup center and resulting bad exchange.

 

 

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  On 12/22/2024 at 1:31 AM, Hank Kingsley said:

Don't think it helped we also hurried to the line and quick snapped it. Just unnecessary to try and catch Clemson off-guard there, particularly with the backup center and resulting bad exchange.

 

 

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It’s not uncommon to do that though. Whether it’s a walk up to the line or quick snap, I don’t think that was smart. Outside of Connor being the back up, he’s also not the best guy at moving people at the point of attack. 

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  On 12/22/2024 at 12:49 AM, RichUT said:

Sark is cooking as a HC, but the guy simply has to let go of game day play calling for this program to reach its true potential. The 4th down calls tonight were absolutely awful,

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Well I don’t think you’d like who chimes in on the headset of what they want in special situations

Its the head coach  

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I’m with y'all his game management is really bad at times. Most of his fourth down decisions are just dumb. He lets teams back in it. It’s maddening. 
 

he gets an A as a head coach but to be a dynasty he’s going to have to learn how to punt or take the points and possibly let someone else call plays. If he’s going to be re play caller he’s gonna have to have a serious come to Jesus with himself. 

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I really don't know that I've seen a coach better at killing the teams momentum than Sark. Mostly, it's directly tied to 1 aspect, consistently.

Something is working (whatever that might be) and then he just inexplicably abandons whatever that might be. Usually, it happen about halfway through the second, and continues all the way through the 3rd. Then somewhere in the 4th quarter he goes back to whatever was working in the 1st and early 2nd. Then we put the game away. 

Over and over. Every fucking game. 

It's maddening and mind bottling.

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  On 12/22/2024 at 2:16 AM, RichUT said:

Maybe a 2nd voice in the headset to offer a different opinion sharpens the decision making? Crazy concept, I know. 

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Do we know if he has additional voices on the headset now? Seriously asking.

I know ‘hire an OC!’ is a popular reaction but have we thought about what quality, proven OC would come here to basically run someone else’s offense and have Sark looking over his shoulder the whole time? What if that OC leaves after 1 year? One of the things going for Texas right now is stability at the playcaller spot. Every recruit and transfer knows who will be their playcaller.

It isn’t a dumb discussion but I think it goes a whole lot deeper than just saying let’s hire a playcaller at the hope it makes our head coach better in other areas when there is no guarantee it does. One of the biggest reasons we hired the guy is his ability to call plays.

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  On 12/22/2024 at 2:26 AM, BurntEyes said:

I really don't know that I've seen a coach better at killing the teams momentum than Sark. Mostly, it's directly tied to 1 aspect, consistently.

Something is working (whatever that might be) and then he just inexplicably abandons whatever that might be. Usually, it happen about halfway through the second, and continues all the way through the 3rd. Then somewhere in the 4th quarter he goes back to whatever was working in the 1st and early 2nd. Then we put the game away. 

Over and over. Every fucking game. 

It's maddening and mind bottling.

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Plus his inability to stretch leads from 2 to 3 score leads with his bonehead fourth down calls. Over and over and over again. 

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  On 12/22/2024 at 2:38 AM, Hookem2147 said:

Do we know if he has additional voices on the headset now? Seriously asking.

I know ‘hire an OC!’ is a popular reaction but have we thought about what quality, proven OC would come here to basically run someone else’s offense and have Sark looking over his shoulder the whole time? What if that OC leaves after 1 year? One of the things going for Texas right now is stability at the playcaller spot. Every recruit and transfer knows who will be their playcaller.

It isn’t a dumb discussion but I think it goes a whole lot deeper than just saying let’s hire a playcaller at the hope it makes our head coach better in other areas when there is no guarantee it does. One of the biggest reasons we hired the guy is his ability to call plays.

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It’s a fair point and valid question. I don’t know the answer. As fans, we can only react to the outputs because we have zero visibility to the inputs. 

What is irrefutable is the 2nd half drop off in production. And there have been some seriously questionable play calls in high leverage situations that make me believe that another coach with serious play calling chops would do more good than bad. 

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