Official Coach Sark Thread of Dominance—haters back off

[BurntEyes 6308]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Just to put a finer point on it:  y'all do realize we ran the spinny-spin play for 7 yards and a 1st down on a Wingo reverse, right?

Well, the first one was a 7 yard loss and cost us 2 players so..  I mean.. 

[troph 25224]

11 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

Well, the first one was a 7 yard loss and cost us 2 players so..  I mean.. 

the other required wingo to break two tackles, one behind the LOS to get the first down. 
 

Too cute is for date night not football.

[GreenspointTexas 9968]

His 4th down plays are either great, or an abomination

 

he needs to learn to take the points more often, specially in the cfp

[Hank Kingsley 21780]

20 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Just to put a finer point on it:  y'all do realize we ran the spinny-spin play for 7 yards and a 1st down on a Wingo reverse, right?

The one where Wingo broke two tackles near the LOS and made a great individual play? 

[GreenspointTexas 9968]

2 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

I really don't know that I've seen a coach better at killing the teams momentum than Sark. Mostly, it's directly tied to 1 aspect, consistently.

Something is working (whatever that might be) and then he just inexplicably abandons whatever that might be. Usually, it happen about halfway through the second, and continues all the way through the 3rd. Then somewhere in the 4th quarter he goes back to whatever was working in the 1st and early 2nd. Then we put the game away. 

Over and over. Every fucking game. 

It's maddening and mind bottling.

Rod Babers said before the season that stats show he breaks tendency more than almost any coach in the FBS

[Coach pop a bitch 6007]

10 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Rod Babers said before the season that stats show he breaks tendency more than almost any coach in the FBS

Love Rod Babers 

[TrashMaster G 18083]

1 hour ago, Coach pop a bitch said:

Love Rod Babers 

He makes my ears bleed.

[Goodman 3282]

2 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Rod Babers said before the season that stats show he breaks tendency more than almost any coach in the FBS

Rod's views make sense, starting at 41:30 

 

[Irish Wrist Watch 1502]

I like that a couple of times on short yardage, the Horns QB went under center allowing a quick hitter into the line. It seems though that they never tried a counter or fake to one side, then handoff to the other. I'd like to see more under center plays, period.

[LTtxfan 50000]

Steve Sarkisian Post-Clemson Press Conference | Longhorns Advance in CFP 

[Reynolds Woodcock 5097]

13 hours ago, Bigbend1812 said:

Kick the FG in the 1st half .  Take points.   Learn from it dammit.  Hook’em 

 

9 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

His 4th down plays are either great, or an abomination

 

he needs to learn to take the points more often, specially in the cfp

Again, we went for it on 4th twice in the 1st half from nearly the same spot. We converted the first and got 7. We missed the second. Had we just kicked field goals both times, we would only have 6.

I get it, math can be frustrating when you are an emotional person.

[TreatyOak 17370]

9 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

His 4th down plays are either great, or an abomination. he needs to learn to take the points more often, specially in the cfp

[Hookem2147 22031]

6 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

 

Again, we went for it on 4th twice in the 1st half from nearly the same spot. We converted the first and got 7. We missed the second. Had we just kicked field goals both times, we would only have 6.

I get it, math can be frustrating when you are an emotional person.

How I imagine the “take the points” people ignoring all analytics and game theory for the thrill of trotting out an unreliable FG kicker who has missed 4 of his last 10. They love it when we go for it on 4th down and get it though.

[Rickylovesweed 15503]

Yeah, I don’t get the “take the points” crowd. Our FG kicker is never a guarantee for points. 

[OU Sucks 9386]

4 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

How I imagine the “take the points” people ignoring all analytics and game theory for the thrill of trotting out an unreliable FG kicker who has missed 4 of his last 10. They love it when we go for it on 4th down and get it though.

It would have been a 36 yard attempt. Bert has hit his last 19 kicks between 30-39. He last missed one in that range in October. Of 2022.

[Bigbend1812 13059]

18 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

How I imagine the “take the points” people ignoring all analytics and game theory for the thrill of trotting out an unreliable FG kicker who has missed 4 of his last 10. They love it when we go for it on 4th down and get it though.

lulz.  

 

[Hookem2147 22031]

9 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

It would have been a 36 yard attempt. Bert has hit his last 19 kicks between 30-39. He last missed one in that range in October. Of 2022.

We were blowing people off the ball and the defense was in a good spot. I can somewhat understand playing to make a 2 score game a 3 game in the second half but it was the second quarter. That isn’t the time to play conservative and start counting possessions.

I’d have to go back and see the replay but watching it live I wasn’t thrilled with the way Blue navigated his blocking on that play.

[BurntEyes 6308]

29 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, I don’t get the “take the points” crowd. Our FG kicker is never a guarantee for points. 

He's fucking aces inside 40. 

He's questionable outside 40 for sure.

In case you're bad at math 36 yards is less than 40. 

It wasn't just the decision to go for it, but the play call and players in for the call. 

A bad coaching call no matter how you choose to slice it.

Edited 7 hours ago by BurntEyes

[OU Sucks 9386]

14 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

We were blowing people off the ball and the defense was in a good spot. I can somewhat understand playing to make a 2 score game a 3 game in the second half but it was the second quarter. That isn’t the time to play conservative and start counting possessions.

I’d have to go back and see the replay but watching it live I wasn’t thrilled with the way Blue navigated his blocking on that play.

I didn't say anything about the decision...just that Bert has been automatic from that range, even through this shitty year for him.  Taking the points would have resulted in points, in all likelihood.

Edited 7 hours ago by OU Sucks

[randomhorn 2195]

3 minutes ago, BurntEyes said:

In case you're bad at math 36 yards is less than 40.

[Zeus 6859]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, I don’t get the “take the points” crowd. Our FG kicker is never a guarantee for points. 

It’s about timing. 
 

There’s a feel for when it makes sense or not. 
 

To me, when you are up 14, you just take the points (if you make it) and get your defense reset. You keep the momentum. 
 

Sure if you make it and keep rolling 7 is better, but at that point there’s no reason for it. Just keep stacking points and keep the pressure on them. 

[troph 25224]

It was a bad decision. You’re at home, you’re up 2 scores, your defense was scored on but had tightened up. The risk wasn’t worth the reward, take the points leave no opportunity for Clemson to find momentum. Sark does this a lot - he takes the chance and it backfires and it’s 10-15 mins of game time where the other team has the momentum.  Don’t give it to them. Now if the FG kept it a two score game then yeah, go for it, but when you can extend your lead by a full possession when you’re already up 2 you take the points. Every fucking time. 

[troph 25224]

8 minutes ago, Zeus said:

It’s about timing. 
 

There’s a feel for when it makes sense or not. 
 

To me, when you are up 14, you just take the points (if you make it) and get your defense reset. You keep the momentum. 
 

Sure if you make it and keep rolling 7 is better, but at that point there’s no reason for it. Just keep stacking points and keep the pressure on them. 

In this case 3 or 7 points it’s a 3 possession lead. So in that sense they aren’t much different but going for it has more risk. It would be much different if it was still a 2 possession lead with 3 points. But it wasn’t. 

[hornian 5293]

One thing I remembered today that I haven't seen commented on:

The play before Bert's FG kick to go up 21 points, we were on the right hash, where Bert has problems this season. Sark called a play that was a run to the left, so that if we didn't get the TD the ball was in the middle of the field. We didn't get the TD, but Bert made the FG. That was some solid situational awareness in the moment by Sark.

[DaysOff 8207]

Plus his inability to stretch leads from 2 to 3 score leads with his bonehead fourth down calls. Over and over and over again. 

Exactly. Kick the fg that we know Bert can make. Pushing the lead to 3 possessions puts a lot more stress on the opposition.

[CurlyDumps 4655]

1 hour ago, Hookem2147 said:

We were blowing people off the ball and the defense was in a good spot. I can somewhat understand playing to make a 2 score game a 3 game in the second half but it was the second quarter. That isn’t the time to play conservative and start counting possessions.

I’d have to go back and see the replay but watching it live I wasn’t thrilled with the way Blue navigated his blocking on that play.

1 hour ago, Hookem2147 said:

How I imagine the “take the points” people ignoring all analytics and game theory for the thrill of trotting out an unreliable FG kicker who has missed 4 of his last 10. They love it when we go for it on 4th down and get it though.

 

lol this.  The days of scared old men taking the points are pretty much over. Smart teams don't kick on 4th and short anymore. It's a losing trend that has been in the process of being phased out for a while now. 

I know it's scary but ya'll gotta let go of your warm, cozy field goals.

[BurntEyes 6308]

5 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

 

lol this.  The days of scared old men taking the points are pretty much over. Smart teams don't kick on 4th and short anymore. It's a losing trend that has been in the process of being phased out for a while now. 

I know it's scary but ya'll gotta let go of your warm, cozy field goals.

Momentum is real. 3 score game is very different mentally than a 2 score game, particularly if it's a 3 score game on the road, as an underdog in a college football playoff win or go home situation.

This isn't old man cozy talk, this is has a clue about the game of football talk. 

Edited 6 hours ago by BurntEyes

[bluto 4996]

1 hour ago, Rickylovesweed said:

Yeah, I don’t get the “take the points” crowd. Our FG kicker is never a guarantee for points. 

Inside of 40 he is essentially a guarantee. 

[UTEE97 3933]

Sark got himself a nice little Christmas bonus. I wish players were also eligible for milestone based bonuses. I bet the overall effort level would go through the roof if they could make some extra money for winning postseason games.

https://athlonsports.com/college/texas-longhorns/steve-sarkisian-earns-massive-bonus-after-texas-clemson-cfp-game

 

[Hornius Emeritus 12801]

On 10/22/2022 at 6:03 PM, Neonmoon said:

Sark is a terrible coach and his record proves it 

This aged well.

[DreadHead 135]

4 minutes ago, UTEE97 said:

Sark got himself a nice little Christmas bonus. I wish players were also eligible for milestone based bonuses. I bet the overall effort level would go through the roof if they could make some extra money for winning postseason games.

https://athlonsports.com/college/texas-longhorns/steve-sarkisian-earns-massive-bonus-after-texas-clemson-cfp-game

 

With what Brian Kelly and Mike Norvell are doing, taking some of their salary and donating it back for use by their respective schools... it seems Sark could do something similar with his bonuses, should he choose. That seems like it would be a stand-up thing to do, getting some cash to the players and increasing the spotlight on Texas. Things like that could increase the incentive for players to come to Texas or portal here.

[jimmyjazz 47170]

51 minutes ago, CurlyDumps said:

I know it's scary but ya'll gotta let go of your warm, cozy field goals.

I don't have any data to back up this feeling, but the strength of the opposing defense has to factor in.  Take the 3 against UGA, maybe not against Clemson (although I was yelling at the screen to take the 3).

[TexasMan 11455]

 

[Hookem2147 22031]

41 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

This aged well.

27-6 since that date. Losses were to #4 TCU, #12 Washington, #12 OU, #2 Washington, #5 Georgia and #5 Georgia.

[Magabro 214]

One thing I remembered today that I haven't seen commented on:
The play before Bert's FG kick to go up 21 points, we were on the right hash, where Bert has problems this season. Sark called a play that was a run to the left, so that if we didn't get the TD the ball was in the middle of the field. We didn't get the TD, but Bert made the FG. That was some solid situational awareness in the moment by Sark.

Nice observation

[LTtxfan 50000]

28 minutes ago, TexasMan said:

 

 

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[TexasMan 11455]

Sometimes she can be annoying, but dammit she can pull out the receipts on this clown shoes loser. 

 

[Ojo Rojo 2053]

Doing the unexpected, unconventional thing sometime pays off through the element of surprise or if the D is set for something else (the expected). Sometimes it doesn't work.

[Coach pop a bitch 6007]

 

[Zeus 6859]

What’s funny is all year on CFB 25 they had the “wrong” playbook for Texas where you could line up in I-formation. 
 

I put Gibson in at full back and had some of the best offense success running and play action or just passing out of the I formation. 
 

Then they “fixed” Texas playbook and I suck with all these non functional motion swing bubble RPO shit that doesn’t work in the game. 
 

In reality instead of running that sweep Sark should’ve ran a roll out with Gibson in the flat. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Zeus

[BurntEyes 6308]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

I don't have any data to back up this feeling, but the strength of the opposing defense has to factor in.  Take the 3 against UGA, maybe not against Clemson (although I was yelling at the screen to take the 3).

It would have been warm and cozy, so that tracks.

[Coach pop a bitch 6007]

 

[BurntEyes 6308]

4 minutes ago, Zeus said:

What’s funny is all year on CFB 25 they had the “wrong” playbook for Texas where you could line up in I-formation. 
 

I put Gibson in at full back and had some of the best offense success running and play action or just passing out of the I formation. 
 

Then they “fixed” Texas playbook and I suck with all these non functional motion swing bubble RPO shit that doesn’t work in the game. 
 

In reality instead of running that sweep Sark should’ve ran a roll out with Gibson in the flat. 

Let's break out the wreath fund and buy Sark CFB 25 for Xmas.

[troph 25224]

What the analytics folks fail to understand is late in the second quarter when you can go up 3 scores you change the game. Now a single score doesn’t get it within 1, and assuming 4-5 possessions in the second half, and 1 more in the first half, your opponent has to hold you to no scores the rest of the way out and has to score 50% of the time. That alone is worth it because how you can force a team out of their game plan. if you miss the 4th and they score now it’s a 1 score game at half, that’s a drastic turnaround. 

Going up 3 scores at half time is a big fucking deal. I don’t care if it’s 4th and 2. You take the points.

now if 3 points doesn’t do that then yeah, go for it. 

and I just haven’t seen any analytics take into account game situation just likelihood of success on a particular down and distance. 

Edited 1 hour ago by troph

[BurntEyes 6308]

3 hours ago, Ojo Rojo said:

Doing the unexpected, unconventional thing sometime pays off through the element of surprise or if the D is set for something else (the expected). Sometimes it doesn't work.

Like a fake field goal on 4th and 2 with the backup QB as the holder?

A hard count to get the D to jump?

A boot leg reverse with the backup QB?

Edited 1 hour ago by BurntEyes