Texas Recruiting Notes 2024: Bags Don't Beat Bankrolls

[cochamps 1879]

1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

If you want to see some funny shit, go look at Ohio State for the last 5 classes. Check out their OL takes versus what they do at WR, DB and DL. When they meet up with good DLs, get run over and then wonder what the fuck happened, it's rarely mentioned that they're recruiting OL like they're Miami of Ohio and not Ohio State. I expect it to happen this year against Michigan and PSU, at the least. But, hey, another top 5 class for Ohio State!

[cmontexas 3271]

Day is a big fat fuck too and you would figure could recruit some blockers.

Hartline doing all the heavy lifting they should have told him to take the Cincinnati HC job and come back in 2 years

[irishtexan 11519]

I honestly don't understand why final class rankings don't weigh the overall balance of a class, and also minimize the weight of stacking certain position groups with 5-star players. Three 5-star receivers isn't as good as one 5-star WR, a 5-star OL, and a 5-star DL. And that kind of fuckery is why we had a reputation of doing so little with so much. All of the "so much" was loaded into DBs and WRs and no OL, DEs, or LBs. 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9116]

2 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Hartline doing all the heavy lifting they should have told him to take the Cincinnati HC job and come back in 2 years

Hartline is absolutely acting in his best interests. There are zero reasons to believe he'd be even an average HC and learning on the job for a couple years at a G5 with recent success isn't the surest way to get invited back to your blue blood alma mater. He'll take the Fickell route and snag the interim when plastic santa gets the boot and hope to catch lightning in a bottle. If it goes poorly, theeeeeeeen go g5 and learn how to do the thing

[IDIOTsavant 8484]

7 minutes ago, cmontexas said:

Day is a big fat fuck too and you would figure could recruit some blockers.

I bet he can’t keep enough 🍭 in the van.

[Bevo 13577]

58 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

I honestly don't understand why final class rankings don't weigh the overall balance of a class, and also minimize the weight of stacking certain position groups with 5-star players. Three 5-star receivers isn't as good as one 5-star WR, a 5-star OL, and a 5-star DL. And that kind of fuckery is why we had a reputation of doing so little with so much. All of the "so much" was loaded into DBs and WRs and no OL, DEs, or LBs. 

Same reason the 9.95ers give the same number of WR 5 stars as OL 5 stars. Actually it is a different reason. The 9.95ers can go watch 7v7 and get a good feel for the WRs and DBs and QBs. They aren't nearly as good at evaluating OL. Anyway for the 9.95ers to be accurate they need to create a balanced class as far as rankings - like 5OL, 3WR, 1RB, 1QB, 1TE, 1athlete and do the same for D to create your balanced top 22. Keep doing that until the 9.95ers work all the way down to 1 stars. And that would probably lead to better predictions of class talent. It wouldn't completely fix the problem of some schools neglecting OL, but that could be addressed by looking at the entire 85 man roster.

[mwaadeeb 1217]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Same reason the 9.95ers give the same number of WR 5 stars as OL 5 stars. Actually it is a different reason. The 9.95ers can go watch 7v7 and get a good feel for the WRs and DBs and QBs. They aren't nearly as good at evaluating OL. Anyway for the 9.95ers to be accurate they need to create a balanced class as far as rankings - like 5OL, 3WR, 1RB, 1QB, 1TE, 1athlete and do the same for D to create your balanced top 22. Keep doing that until the 9.95ers work all the way down to 1 stars. And that would probably lead to better predictions of class talent. It wouldn't completely fix the problem of some schools neglecting OL, but that could be addressed by looking at the entire 85 man roster.

Could they take offer lists into consideration for OL / DL prospects? Seems they should. Maybe knowing a real offer from uncommittable offer is too hard.

[Michael Knight 12981]

3 hours ago, irishtexan said:

I honestly don't understand why final class rankings don't weigh the overall balance of a class, and also minimize the weight of stacking certain position groups with 5-star players. Three 5-star receivers isn't as good as one 5-star WR, a 5-star OL, and a 5-star DL. And that kind of fuckery is why we had a reputation of doing so little with so much. All of the "so much" was loaded into DBs and WRs and no OL, DEs, or LBs. 

Cause the only people who give a shit about stars and rankings are in this thread. Theres no need to change anything they are making free money do baby journalism its not like anyone holds them accountable for poor ranking system, they don't lose their job cause the misidentify talent.

[Kwix 2188]

10 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

its not like anyone holds them accountable

This is different from other journalism? 

[MuellerHorn 4251]

4 hours ago, irishtexan said:

I honestly don't understand why final class rankings don't weigh the overall balance of a class, and also minimize the weight of stacking certain position groups with 5-star players. Three 5-star receivers isn't as good as one 5-star WR, a 5-star OL, and a 5-star DL. And that kind of fuckery is why we had a reputation of doing so little with so much. All of the "so much" was loaded into DBs and WRs and no OL, DEs, or LBs. 

I agree with you on all of this.

I also don't believe punters or kickers should count towards a team's average class score.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12215]

On 10/2/2023 at 7:27 AM, MisterP said:

The internet?

What is this internet you speak of? Can I also get porn to go with that beanie?

[Cairn Horn88 8265]

                               Who's Next?

 

[Laga4 1270]

10 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Cause the only people who give a shit about stars and rankings are in this thread.

aggy does.

[SydneyCarton 48108]

17 hours ago, irishtexan said:

I honestly don't understand why final class rankings don't weigh the overall balance of a class, and also minimize the weight of stacking certain position groups with 5-star players. Three 5-star receivers isn't as good as one 5-star WR, a 5-star OL, and a 5-star DL. And that kind of fuckery is why we had a reputation of doing so little with so much. All of the "so much" was loaded into DBs and WRs and no OL, DEs, or LBs. 

The complication here for me is assessing down classes versus up  classes at positions, as well as the component of understanding a school's existing roster. We'd be asking the 995ers to not only know the class, but also each team's roster to match up needs. Otherwise you're penalzing a school for going OL heavy in one class when the talent is elite, but dinging them for only taking 2 in a year where the talent is iffy in state. Plus mathcing it up with what exists on each team's roster and needs. 

Now envision that this kind of analysis is coming from EJ Holland. No thanks. I'm ok with using the data we have and just plugging it into our own class needs based on our knowledge of the teams we follow. 

[Napoleon 8682]

23 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

That kid is going to have to remake his body. he looks like Finch from Wildcats

 

22 hours ago, ClubWhatever said:

All of our parents let us get like this.

…ummm…

 

[Bevo14 8312]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

The complication here for me is assessing down classes versus up  classes at positions, as well as the component of understanding a school's existing roster. We'd be asking the 995ers to not only know the class, but also each team's roster to match up needs. Otherwise you're penalzing a school for going OL heavy in one class when the talent is elite, but dinging them for only taking 2 in a year where the talent is iffy in state. Plus mathcing it up with what exists on each team's roster and needs. 

Now envision that this kind of analysis is coming from EJ Holland. No thanks. I'm ok with using the data we have and just plugging it into our own class needs based on our knowledge of the teams we follow. 

Good point. I wouldn't trust the average 995er to know how to wipe their own asshole.

[Doc Daneeka 6769]

3 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

Good point. I wouldn't trust the average 995er to know how to wipe their own asshole.

Or to reach it, as the case may be. 

[sith_horn 2394]

26 minutes ago, Doc Daneeka said:

29 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

Good point. I wouldn't trust the average 995er to know how to wipe their own asshole.

Or to reach it, as the case may be.

         

[JesusSweatDuck 17781]

1 hour ago, Doc Daneeka said:

Or to reach it, as the case may be. 

Ah, the Mangino

[Texas Wahoo 3397]

 

Next, the NCAA is going to look into school's letting prospective student athletes listen to music while on campus.  If they bring their own music, that would probably be ok, but the school should not sped resources providing it.

[Teryor 4474]

Spoiler

The NCAA’s Division I Council voted Wednesday to eliminate the annual limits on initial counters, the number of new scholarship players a program can add each offseason. The move allows FBS and FCS football programs to replace as many scholarships as they lose up to their overall roster limits (85 for FBS schools, 63 for FCS schools).

Here’s what you need to know:

Initial counter limits have been suspended since 2021, after COVID-19 eligibility complications and the one-time transfer exception fostered a dramatic increase in player movement and programs struggled to find enough roster spots to accommodate those newcomers under the old rules.
The previous FBS limit on initial counters was 25 per year; in the FCS, the limit was 30 per year.
The move was in conjuncture with the Council’s vote to shorten transfer windows from a total of 60 days to 45 days for all sports.
Why is this limit being removed?
The simplest explanation is that the toothpaste can’t go back into the tube. The initial counter limits were waived for 2022-23 and ’23-24 as a response to increasing attrition rates due to the popularity of the transfer portal as well as the extra year of eligibility for 2020. It was the right call at the time, giving coaches more freedom to replace what they lost and maintain an 85-man scholarship roster. It’s not good for anyone when programs don’t have 85 players because they ran out of scholarships to add more, but it was the portal that made leaders start to take that issue seriously.

Now there’s simply no clean way to go back to 25-man signing limits. The result of this change was predictable: Coaches can once again oversign with their recruiting and portal classes and run off their underperforming players to get back to 85. Colorado’s Deion Sanders wouldn’t have been able to bring in 68 new scholarship players for Year 1 if those signing limits were in place. Increased freedom in roster management has been essential for new coaching staffs and rebuilding programs. Once that limit was waived, it was obvious there would be no easy way to go back to the old way of doing things. — Max Olson, senior college football writer

NCAA got rid of the 25 man class rule too so now we never have to worry about the numbers anymore

[Ricky's one-hitter 9116]

7 minutes ago, Teryor said:

  Reveal hidden contents

The NCAA’s Division I Council voted Wednesday to eliminate the annual limits on initial counters, the number of new scholarship players a program can add each offseason. The move allows FBS and FCS football programs to replace as many scholarships as they lose up to their overall roster limits (85 for FBS schools, 63 for FCS schools).

Here’s what you need to know:

Initial counter limits have been suspended since 2021, after COVID-19 eligibility complications and the one-time transfer exception fostered a dramatic increase in player movement and programs struggled to find enough roster spots to accommodate those newcomers under the old rules.
The previous FBS limit on initial counters was 25 per year; in the FCS, the limit was 30 per year.
The move was in conjuncture with the Council’s vote to shorten transfer windows from a total of 60 days to 45 days for all sports.
Why is this limit being removed?
The simplest explanation is that the toothpaste can’t go back into the tube. The initial counter limits were waived for 2022-23 and ’23-24 as a response to increasing attrition rates due to the popularity of the transfer portal as well as the extra year of eligibility for 2020. It was the right call at the time, giving coaches more freedom to replace what they lost and maintain an 85-man scholarship roster. It’s not good for anyone when programs don’t have 85 players because they ran out of scholarships to add more, but it was the portal that made leaders start to take that issue seriously.

Now there’s simply no clean way to go back to 25-man signing limits. The result of this change was predictable: Coaches can once again oversign with their recruiting and portal classes and run off their underperforming players to get back to 85. Colorado’s Deion Sanders wouldn’t have been able to bring in 68 new scholarship players for Year 1 if those signing limits were in place. Increased freedom in roster management has been essential for new coaching staffs and rebuilding programs. Once that limit was waived, it was obvious there would be no easy way to go back to the old way of doing things. — Max Olson, senior college football writer

NCAA got rid of the 25 man class rule too so now we never have to worry about the numbers anymore

Speak for yourself

[Hornius Emeritus 12463]

2 minutes ago, Teryor said:

  Reveal hidden contents

The NCAA’s Division I Council voted Wednesday to eliminate the annual limits on initial counters, the number of new scholarship players a program can add each offseason. The move allows FBS and FCS football programs to replace as many scholarships as they lose up to their overall roster limits (85 for FBS schools, 63 for FCS schools).

Here’s what you need to know:

Initial counter limits have been suspended since 2021, after COVID-19 eligibility complications and the one-time transfer exception fostered a dramatic increase in player movement and programs struggled to find enough roster spots to accommodate those newcomers under the old rules.
The previous FBS limit on initial counters was 25 per year; in the FCS, the limit was 30 per year.
The move was in conjuncture with the Council’s vote to shorten transfer windows from a total of 60 days to 45 days for all sports.
Why is this limit being removed?
The simplest explanation is that the toothpaste can’t go back into the tube. The initial counter limits were waived for 2022-23 and ’23-24 as a response to increasing attrition rates due to the popularity of the transfer portal as well as the extra year of eligibility for 2020. It was the right call at the time, giving coaches more freedom to replace what they lost and maintain an 85-man scholarship roster. It’s not good for anyone when programs don’t have 85 players because they ran out of scholarships to add more, but it was the portal that made leaders start to take that issue seriously.

Now there’s simply no clean way to go back to 25-man signing limits. The result of this change was predictable: Coaches can once again oversign with their recruiting and portal classes and run off their underperforming players to get back to 85. Colorado’s Deion Sanders wouldn’t have been able to bring in 68 new scholarship players for Year 1 if those signing limits were in place. Increased freedom in roster management has been essential for new coaching staffs and rebuilding programs. Once that limit was waived, it was obvious there would be no easy way to go back to the old way of doing things. — Max Olson, senior college football writer

NCAA got rid of the 25 man class rule too so now we never have to worry about the numbers anymore

So Texas could just buy every four and five star player, let them practice, see which ones are truly the best, then let the ones portal out who don't make the cut?

[satyanash 14502]

Sure, if there weren't a bunch of other schools with their own NIL machines trying to do the same thing

[MisterP 127]

29 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Sure, if there weren't a bunch of other schools with their own NIL machines trying to do the same thing

you're so fucking negative

[irishtexan 11519]

1 hour ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

So Texas could just buy every four and five star player, let them practice, see which ones are truly the best, then let the ones portal out who don't make the cut?

There are still scholarship limits. but you can manage your 85 however you want now. Take 50 players one year and 12 the next. Who gives a shit.

[Chili dog 1787]

33 minutes ago, MisterP said:

you're so fucking negative

[futureman 22467]

49 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

There are still scholarship limits. but you can manage your 85 however you want now. Take 50 players one year and 12 the next. Who gives a shit.

hey good job on repeating exactly what he said. 

[Vermin 3046]

2 hours ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

So Texas could just buy every four and five star player, let them practice, see which ones are truly the best, then let the ones portal out who don't make the cut?

Why not just buy finished products IN the portal?

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13091]

12 minutes ago, Vermin said:

Why not just replace your 5 star busts with finished products IN the portal?

5 stars who do hit immediately don’t tend to transfer from destination type schools.

[Handcruser 2805]

5 stars who do hit immediately don’t tend to transfer from destination type schools.

Shit. That grimes kid at texum Aggy was a 5 star reeled in by Jimbo Fisher. He can’t even crack the 2 deep but he was lit at North Carolina

[tokamak 6431]

6 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

 

Next, the NCAA is going to look into school's letting prospective student athletes listen to music while on campus.  If they bring their own music, that would probably be ok, but the school should not sped resources providing it.

Honestly the coaches might have been pushing for this rule on the down low. Pretty sure they hate wasting all that time on the stupid photo shoots. 

[Bevo14 8312]

3 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Honestly the coaches might have been pushing for this rule on the down low. Pretty sure they hate wasting all that time on the stupid photo shoots. 

One of them was heard whispering "Photoshoots aren't good for the kids."

[Mr. Mojo Risin' 2205]

15 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Honestly the coaches might have been pushing for this rule on the down low. Pretty sure they hate wasting all that time on the stupid photo shoots. 

[Lonestar88 4664]

27 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Honestly the coaches might have been pushing for this rule on the down low. Pretty sure they hate wasting all that time on the stupid photo shoots. 

I can almost guarantee that’s what it was. This is not something the NCAA would even think to be aware of unless coaches were bitching about it.

[Hornlover 8830]

6 hours ago, Texas Wahoo said:

 

Next, the NCAA is going to look into school's letting prospective student athletes listen to music while on campus.  If they bring their own music, that would probably be ok, but the school should not sped resources providing it.

This sounds to me like the coaches were sick of having more and more elaborate photo shoots and having to deal with all of that shit, so they've agreed to just put an end to it. 

[Chips O'Toole 1324]

Or they saw the Brian Kelly 360 shot and thought they would be doing a favor to all of mankind. 

[msucolt45 4062]

While aggy sits by with their sunflower seeds and kolache NIL, we’re all waiting for the best of the best to commit. No $$$ bags in B/CS, as it’s all the new NIL.

Hook’em!!!

[Magabro 171]

Or they saw the Brian Kelly 360 shot and thought they would be doing a favor to all of mankind. 

With that Austin powers eye move. Shit just looked weird especially doing that behind one of his recruits.

[Richter 2260]

47 minutes ago, Magabro said:

With that Austin powers eye move. Shit just looked weird especially doing that behind one of his recruits.

Got his grind on though 

[cochamps 1879]

1 hour ago, msucolt45 said:

While aggy sits by with their sunflower seeds and kolache NIL, we’re all waiting for the best of the best to commit. No $$$ bags in B/CS, as it’s all the new NIL.

Hook’em!!!

Aggy with a kolache NIL?  No wai!

[Sal 1088]

2 hours ago, cochamps said:

Aggy with a kolache NIL?  No wai!

Going to Czech into this

[Dangle 92]

11 minutes ago, Sal said:

Going to Czech into this

Fuck yourself hard Sal

[Sal 1088]

1 minute ago, Dangle said:

Fuck yourself hard Sal

[bad_teammate 13196]

10 hours ago, tokamak said:

Honestly the coaches might have been pushing for this rule on the down low. Pretty sure they hate wasting all that time on the stupid photo shoots. 

Sark holding a camera.

Flood holding up an LED light on a pole.

"OK, S'madre Kendrarious-Burrton, for this one you're excited about what you're seeing, but in the back of your mind, you're still focused on your larger goals in life. I want to see that last part in your eyes, not so much in your smile."

[Leanderman 2275]

"Going to Czech into this"

Look in your mailbox? Maybe the Czech is in the mail?

[Duane Moore 5237]

This thread better Czech itself before it wrecks itself

[BurntOrange&White 39933]

Czech Stop > Slovaceks

[TxEx84 405]

And Village Bakery was the best.  RIP.

[Mr. Mojo Risin' 2205]

...Czechs to see if there is enough Greece to make kolaches. Nope. Guess I'll need to get Samoa. I think I need more Chile too. 

 

I'll see myself out