USMNT 2021

[ztejas 44323]

3 minutes ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

Lalas is Mexican?

No he's just a pandering moron that gets off seeing himself on TV. And I appreciate what he did for our senior team but he's the Stephen A Smith of US Soccer.

[goatsaag 281]

12 minutes ago, ztejas said:

If Greg figures that last bit out and has Pulisic start playing as a forward 6 with maybe Weah and Reyna on the edges I'd buy in further.

You keep talking about how Pulisic should play the 6 but I'm not sure that you understand what the 6 is. We don't want to pull Pulisic away from the attack.

[Hagbard Celine 11318]

 

[C-Man 27883]

Everything about El Tri is just gutter trash.

[shnsajax 3607]

Also why was Mexico wearing Purple and Black? Will piss me right off if we start wearing shit like that as a 3rd jersey.

[Zepol87 9360]

It's pink not purple 

[Zepol87 9360]

7 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

You're like 6'4" did those mexicants really wanna tussle with you? Mile High ain't Estadio Azteca.

The fans here at games are way worse than I encountered going to azteca 

[UDontKnow 10572]

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

No he's just a pandering moron that gets off seeing himself on TV. And I appreciate what he did for our senior team but he's the Stephen A Smith of US Soccer.

I thought Taylor Twellman was the Stephen A Smith of US Soccer?

[ztejas 44323]

8 minutes ago, goatsaag said:

You keep talking about how Pulisic should play the 6 but I'm not sure that you understand what the 6 is. We don't want to pull Pulisic away from the attack.

Yeah I think I mean a general 8. Sorry for the confusion. I should just say CAM instead of a number because the numbers mean different things under different circumstances. 

[ztejas 44323]

1 minute ago, UDontKnow said:

I thought Taylor Twellman was the Stephen A Smith of US Soccer?

Nah he's the Max Kellerman.

[shnsajax 3607]

It's pink not purple 

That’s not better.

[Napoleon 8861]

7 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Yeah I think I mean a general 8. Sorry for the confusion. I should just say CAM instead of a number because the numbers mean different things under different circumstances. 

CAM used to mean #10

El Enganche

Diego Armando Fucking

M A R A D O N A

 

EL D10S

[Coach pop a bitch 6046]

Our back line is atrocious any of y'all that follow the sport more than I do can you tell me how far is Chris richards from making an impact on this squad? 

Edited June 7, 2021 by Coach pop a bitch

[shnsajax 3607]

The save, but on Univision

[UDontKnow 10572]

NSIAP.

 

[shnsajax 3607]

Our back line is atrocious any of y'all that follow the sport more than I do can you tell me how far is Chris richards from making an impact in this squad? 

He should have been starting and he will be by WC Qualifying time. Don’t think he’s fully recovered yet

[ztejas 44323]

18 minutes ago, Napoleon said:

CAM used to mean #10

El Enganche

Diego Armando Fucking

M A R A D O N A

 

EL D10S

I'm really smashed right now. We can revisit position number stereotypes tomorrow. Pulisic for CAM.

Fuck El Tri. 

[Hagbard Celine 11318]

14 minutes ago, shnsajax said:

He (Chris Richards) should have been starting and he will be by WC Qualifying time. Don’t think he’s fully recovered yet

as we saw with mark mckenzie tonight, 10ish games in europe and 3 or 4 prior senior caps does not mean you are ready for the highest level (qualifiers or full international tournament) or any game in concacaf.  richards is possibly a new balboa/pope/gooch/brooks, but he needs at least another 1000 club minutes in competitive fixtures before i would start him over ream, miazga, etc., next to brooks.  richards is bayern property; his loan to hoffenheim (bundesliga 11th) was only through the end of the season, so he needs a home soon because he is not going to start for bayern and we need him to get real minutes immediately in august

[Hagbard Celine 11318]

si: whitewash on the puto stuff, nothing on tri bitchassedness, nothing on tri fan shit flinging, nothing on joke federation

https://www.si.com/soccer/2021/06/07/usa-mexico-video-highlights-concacaf-nations-league-final

 

[ztejas 44323]

26 minutes ago, shnsajax said:

The save, but on Univision
 

This loops. Enjoy. I had it on for 40 minutes on my main screen while I was on my phone. 

https://streamable.com/fie7tr

[Hagbard Celine 11318]

in closing for the evening, i am not on a beerholder bandwagon, i think davies is misguided when he says the players are buying in to the system (what system?), i think the talent was responsible for gritting it out, and gregggg's "tactical decisions" were simply substitutions until proven otherwise.  exhibition players still made it on to the pitch.  beerholder did not have them ready to play at the first whistle and only after getting punched in the mouth by concacaf/tri bitchassedness did the players get pissed, wake up, and fight back.  we got bailed out by var; if tri got the 2nd goal then there is no reyna poach and it ends 3-1 at best.  biggest issue of the night was when it was clear tri were going to attack down the right and go after ream beerholder did not adjust.  the only compliment i will extend to beerholder is that when he did bring on exhibition players, he didn't ask them to do very much.

[ztejas 44323]

American call (I think I like this one better although it doesn't include the leadup call)

 

[ztejas 44323]

2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

in closing for the evening, i am not on a beerholder bandwagon, i think davies is misguided when he says the players are buying in to the system (what system?), i think the talent was responsible for gritting it out, and gregggg's "tactical decisions" were simply substitutions until proven otherwise.  exhibition players still made it on to the pitch.  beerholder did not have them ready to play at the first whistle and only after getting punched in the mouth by concacaf/tri bitchassedness did the players get pissed, wake up, and fight back.  we got bailed out by var; if tri got the 2nd goal then there is no reyna poach and it ends 3-1 at best.  biggest issue of the night was when it was clear tri were going to attack down the right and go after ream beerholder did not adjust.  the only compliment i will extend to beerholder is that when he did bring on exhibition players, he didn't ask them to do very much.

I completely agree with you and I appreciate your soccer mind as it's one of the best on this sub even though I think you at times struggle to capture in language what you are envisioning on the pitch - 

THAT SAID -

Enjoy this win man. This was El Tri in a comp and we rolled out a very young, very inexperienced crew against them and defied shit reffing and defied shit management and won the game. Celebrate a bit. 

[Zepol87 9360]

They have gotten way better with puto. Only  the warning one was loud. The other one that caused the stoppage was only a corner of fans

[UDontKnow 10572]

2 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

They have gotten way better with puto. Only  the warning one was loud. The other one that caused the stoppage was only a corner of fans

Still a lot for Mexican fans to work on though...

 

[Zepol87 9360]

Oh for sure that was fucking ridiculous. So much shit was on the field. 

[UDontKnow 10572]

8 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Oh for sure that was fucking ridiculous. So much shit was on the field. 

You definitely didn't see this because you were in the stands, but my initial reaction was, "Man, must be one of @Zepol87's buddies."

 

[shnsajax 3607]

You definitely didn't see this because you were in the stands, but my initial reaction was, "Man, must be one of [mention=1192]Zepol87[/mention]'s buddies."
 

Still waiting to hear if that dude is still alive or not.

[Zepol87 9360]

Holy shit. Did they show the assholes running onto the field? First dude had a solid run but slipped. Second one got tackled quickly

[UDontKnow 10572]

2 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Holy shit. Did they show the assholes running onto the field? First dude had a solid run but slipped. Second one got tackled quickly

Yeah but you probably had a better view of them than we did on the CBSSN broadcast considering the first dude ran in and then out of the camera frame. I don't recall seeing him fall on camera, but he was running/stumbling. The second dude got taken down by 3-4, IIRC but he was closer to one of the sidelines.

[pacman 7559]

54 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

in closing for the evening, i am not on a beerholder bandwagon, i think davies is misguided when he says the players are buying in to the system (what system?), i think the talent was responsible for gritting it out, and gregggg's "tactical decisions" were simply substitutions until proven otherwise.  exhibition players still made it on to the pitch.  beerholder did not have them ready to play at the first whistle and only after getting punched in the mouth by concacaf/tri bitchassedness did the players get pissed, wake up, and fight back.  we got bailed out by var; if tri got the 2nd goal then there is no reyna poach and it ends 3-1 at best.  biggest issue of the night was when it was clear tri were going to attack down the right and go after ream beerholder did not adjust.  the only compliment i will extend to beerholder is that when he did bring on exhibition players, he didn't ask them to do very much.

So, same as always for US soccer..need grit and a little luck to win

[MissingInAction 25633]

Fuck mexico.

[PittsburghTiger 6422]

That was awesome. The guys could have packed it in after the gift goal at the beginning, "here we go again", but didn't.

Great goals for the American boys. Great save at the end. Just great.

Wow.

[Captain Ron 13139]

5 hours ago, Zepol87 said:

They have gotten way better with puto. Only  the warning one was loud. The other one that caused the stoppage was only a corner of fans

Yeah I think on the TV feed we didn’t hear it because they cut the audio for the stadium when the kickoff happened. 

[Captain Ron 13139]

 

[Captain Ron 13139]

7 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

 

I’m not sure what Lalas is getting at with this. He’s been on the field, he knows which fans are the culprits. 

[alincoln 2391]

To be fair to Lalas, almost all of the Mexican fans at the game live in the United States and some are Americans.  It's almost impossible to overstate the insecurity of the average Mexican soccer fan regarding this second stage evolution of U.S. soccer.  They did not anticipate the avalanche of young U.S. players moving to the Big 5 leagues and are beginning to realize that the depth of legitimate international American talent is real and only going to increase while the Mexicans will remain the same Mexico they have been since the 80s. 

Mexican fans are generally tolerable when they are winning but they are cornered rats when losing, particularly when losing to their hated American rivals.  Anyone who has watched the U.S. win a game against Mexico outside of Columbus and SLC has experienced the sad descent of the Mexican fans to paranoia, self-loathing and violence when the U.S. closes in on victory.  They are losing in real time the one thing they care about the most and the one thing they have had over the gringos.  The aggy analogies are disturbingly apt.  The mindset of aggy toward Texas is almost indistinguishable from the mindset of the Mexican team and fanbase towards the USMNT.  The violent and disruptive behavior of the Mexican players and fanbase will only continue to deteriorate in the coming years as the Americans win game after game against them.  The gamesmanship (aka cheating) of the Mexican team is going to reach unprecedented and pathetic levels over the next decade as their futile resistance to American domination of the rivalry collapses. 

Mexico may not beat the US for 10 years outside of Azteca if the US fed hires a real coach.  It's all over for the Mexicans and they know it.  

[Knoxtnhorn 6315]

Agree with @alincoln

I've been to 4 US/Mexico qualifiers and did not see a single issue with Mexico fans.  I heard the game a few years ago at Jerryworld was pretty bad.

And what a shock Grant Wahl responds with a puss tweet.  I don't like bad fan behavior either but F moving the game to noon because of some drunks.  

[alincoln 2391]

Grant Wahl is actually the Max Kellerman of soccer media.  

[LurkingHorn 1093]

So just re-watched the extended highlights and I knew Ream was bad watching live, but he was way worse 2nd viewing. I say it all the time, but I have no idea what type of blackmail Ream has on the previous 3 or 4 coaches to keep getting the amount of run he does. Chris Richards is going to have to take that spot or we are in trouble. 

I'll own up to the CP call I made. I thought he looked tired in his last 3 or 4 Chelsea matches and he looked tired here as well. I know he wasn't getting much of the ball, but Gio was dealing with the same issues and was very influential when he was in. Glad he came through in the clutch and buried the PK. 

[tantric superman 4668]

What a game.  I'm still the only guy I know who roots for USA number one, but has Mexico as his second favorite team.

Chalk it up to being really old.

[Captain Ron 13139]

9 hours ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

LOL.  Go back and watch John Brooks right before Guardado's PK.

What am I watching for exactly? He looks like he might be yelling "Noonan!" but I can't tell.

 

What I can tell is that Lozano was in the box big time before the kick. He was timing a run but gave up about 3 steps in and was EASILY 3 yards in the box. Glad that it was a non-factor.

 

[Fudbelty 2810]

What a game.  I'm still the only guy I know who roots for USA number one, but has Mexico as his second favorite team.
Chalk it up to being really old.

Im die hard USA but our girls soccer team wears Mexico kits. They’re actually pretty legit looking.

[Zhorn96 1846]

41 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

So just re-watched the extended highlights and I knew Ream was bad watching live, but he was way worse 2nd viewing. I say it all the time, but I have no idea what type of blackmail Ream has on the previous 3 or 4 coaches to keep getting the amount of run he does. Chris Richards is going to have to take that spot or we are in trouble. 

I'll own up to the CP call I made. I thought he looked tired in his last 3 or 4 Chelsea matches and he looked tired here as well. I know he wasn't getting much of the ball, but Gio was dealing with the same issues and was very influential when he was in. Glad he came through in the clutch and buried the PK. 

Ream was never good at this level so I agree, he must have dirt on USSF masterminding a puppy murdering kennel or something (wait, sorry...he's there for his "experience").  We've never seen the level of talent the US currently possesses but one area with zero depth is CB.  Brooks may last til '26 and Richards is an extremely exciting prospect.  But past them?  Long...meh and currently crippled.  Miazga...meh.  MacKenzie...meh.  List of MLS level CBs with limited potential (Zimmerman et al)...meh.  Palmer-Brown and Carter-Vickers have yet to kick on.  Maybe Otasowie who is an interesting prospect but might be more DM than CB?

I get wanting to play 3 at the back because of Dest because so far he has shown to be hopeless in a back 4.  But you have to have the horses to do that and the US doesn't.  Maybe Dest needs to play wide like Fabian Johnson did.  Johnson was a fullback if I remember right and ended up playing mostly winger for the US (or was it the other way around?).  Anyways, 3 at the back is for Dest but find some fucking CBs to make it palatable.

[dieucla98 2963]

Fabian played as a fullback for the US because we sorely lacked any quality at the position. For club, he generally played some spot in the midfield.

If we want to run Dest out there as a wingback, another FB needs to on his side, behind him. Someone with speed to recover. This reminds me a lot of what Chelsea does - they roll Reece James out as a wingback, allowing him to get forward a bunch, and then have Cesar Azpilicueta behind him to cover the huge amount of fields left in his wake. That feels like a good combo and a good role for Robinson or Cannon perhaps. 

[shnsajax 3607]

[shnsajax 3607]

10 minutes ago, dieucla98 said:

Fabian played as a fullback for the US because we sorely lacked any quality at the position. For club, he generally played some spot in the midfield.

If we want to run Dest out there as a wingback, another FB needs to on his side, behind him. Someone with speed to recover. This reminds me a lot of what Chelsea does - they roll Reece James out as a wingback, allowing him to get forward a bunch, and then have Cesar Azpilicueta behind him to cover the huge amount of fields left in his wake. That feels like a good combo and a good role for Robinson or Cannon perhaps. 

Might be Justin Che before we know it. 

[WBT 21146]

9 hours ago, ztejas said:

American call (I think I like this one better although it doesn't include the leadup call)

 

Pulisic needs to get some sun.

[WBT 21146]

58 minutes ago, Captain Ron said:

Glad that it was a non-factor.

I kind of wish he had scored it and had it called back because of this, and then we saved the rekick.  Because f mexico.

[dogbreath 440]

2 hours ago, alincoln said:

 

Mexico may not beat the US for 10 years outside of Azteca if the US fed hires a real coach.  It's all over for the Mexicans and they know it.  

Mexico is going to lustily recruit dual eligibles that develop in the US system.  And they have a successful professional and minor league system to plug them in to.  They will be competitive, but with Canada's developing quality players and potential of Jamaica with more English developed players Mexico will not dominate Concacaf in the future.

US needs quality coaching equal or above Tata to dominate in the future.