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56 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Sidenote on Ma and Ali Baba.

Ali Baba always gets me to thinking of the Arabian Nights tale and Rhymin & Stealin.  You can't leave out "and the 40 Thieves," which seems really appropriate.

Given how much counterfeit shit that's on there....

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17 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Active vs passive surveillance.  Especially for foreign business leaders 

You forgot commercial surveillance systems like Vigilant. Notice it's missing 1 letter from vigilante. It's a subscriber database that tracks your movement. Go to California, Colorado or make a cross country trip expect to get pulled over in a subscriber jurisdiction (like Wise County). I pass by 2 plate reader units on either end of the county 3 - 4 days a week. It's their bread and butter busting pot smugglers. Fortunately, I haven't been to Colorado lately.

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15 hours ago, Horn of Gabriel said:

Once you're in China, you're under surveillance.  If you're a nobody, it's mostly passive and AI driven, with their Great Firewall and now "social credit scoring" system.  If you're someone like Jack Ma, and especially someone who has shown tendencies to speak out or becoming "bigger than the PRC," you better believe he's under 24 hour watch.  The PRC apparently told him "Yeah, you're not leaving China" a few months ago, and they can freeze his assets, his passport, detain his family, whatever they want to keep him in line.  His resources are an illusion and apparently the PRC has a whole division related to tracking the 1%ers in China, to make sure that they and their families are never out of the country at the same time (no leverage if they all defect simultaneously), that they aren't moving big liquid assets out of China and the reach of the PRC, etc.  I wonder if in the next decade we'll start seeing Chinese 1%ers walk away from their gilded cage in China to the West?

I remember when I was making trips to China 10 years ago our IT staff was paranoid about security and they issued special locked-down China-only laptops for us, you can't take your regular work laptop with you.  You were supposed to keep it in your possession always.  They would weigh the laptop before and after on a digital scale to see if anything had been added to it.

this is absolutely true. i have a weird thing where i will go on walkabout when in new places. just pick a direction, and basically circle the hotel, and familiarize myself with things around the place. once, in chengdu, i was just doing my thing, wandering around looking at things. no real direction, just walking about. i caught my tail two distinct times. same dude would stop for a smoke whenever i would look at this bridge or that shrine, etc. was funny, but also really fucking spooky. 

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8 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

this is absolutely true. i have a weird thing where i will go on walkabout when in new places. just pick a direction, and basically circle the hotel, and familiarize myself with things around the place. once, in chengdu, i was just doing my thing, wandering around looking at things. no real direction, just walking about. i caught my tail two distinct times. same dude would stop for a smoke whenever i would look at this bridge or that shrine, etc. was funny, but also really fucking spooky. 

are you sure they didn't just all look the same?  

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/06/business/china-huarong-lai-xiaomin-death-sentence-intl-hnk/index.html

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A Chinese court has sentenced the former chairman of a huge state-owned financial company to death after finding him guilty of bribery. It's a rare use of the most severe punishment in a long-running crackdown by Beijing on corruption.

Lai Xiaomin — who used to chair China Huarong Asset Management — was guilty of taking or seeking bribes totaling nearly 1.8 billion yuan ($277 million), a court in the port city of Tianjin said on Tuesday. Chinese state media reported in August that he pleaded guilty at an earlier hearing in the case.

The court said the bribes happened over the 10 years leading up to 2018, when Lai was investigated as part of a broader clampdown on the financial sector. 

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China's court system has a conviction rate of around 99%, according to legal observers, and corruption charges are often used to go after Communist Party insiders who fall afoul of the leadership.

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wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lai_Xiaomin

 

Lai Xiaomin (Chinese: 赖小民; born July 1962) is a Chinese business executive and senior economist who served as party chief and chairman of the board of China Huarong Asset Management from September 2012 to April 2018.[2][3] He was sacked for graft on April 17, 2018.[4][5][6]

In January 5, 2021, Lai was sentenced to death without reprieve for bribery, embezzlement, and bigamy. His private assets were seized as well.[7]

He assumed various posts in the People's Bank of China, including Deputy Director and Director of the Central Funding Department of the Planning Capital Department of the People's Bank of China, Director of the Second Division of the Bank, Deputy Director of the Credit Management Department, and Deputy Director of the Bank Supervision Second Division.

He was a delegate to the 12th National People's Congress. His former positions include Deputy Director of the Banking Supervision Department of the China Banking Regulatory Commission, Head of the Preparatory Team of the Beijing Supervision Bureau, Secretary of the Beijing Banking Regulatory Bureau, Secretary of the Party Committee, Director of the General Office of the China Banking Regulatory Commission, and Director of the Party Committee Office and Chief Spokesperson.

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On 1/4/2021 at 7:36 AM, Nice Guy Eddie said:

CEOs seem to routinely disappear over in China. Upon return, their attitude seems different.

Pretty much why there is little to no innovation out of China. You don't want to get noticed.

Posted
2 hours ago, 52-80 said:

bribery, embezzlement, and bigamy.

 deserting his wife and children, inciting prostitution, kidnapping, extortion, receiving stolen goods, selling stolen goods, passing counterfeit money, and contrary to the laws of this State the condemned is guilty of using marked cards and loaded dice…

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45 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

 deserting his wife and children, inciting prostitution, kidnapping, extortion, receiving stolen goods, selling stolen goods, passing counterfeit money, and contrary to the laws of this State the condemned is guilty of using marked cards and loaded dice…

probably shitposted on the internet, too

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China is a problem.  They are ruthless and cunning.  We and especially our politicians (both sides, equally and for decades) have been naive suckers.    

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5 hours ago, Lhorn said:

China is a problem.  They are ruthless and cunning.  We and especially our politicians (both sides, equally and for decades) have been naive suckers.    

I’ve been telling people that since Tricky Dick opened the gates for those asshole Chicoms while stabbing Taiwan in the back (with Jimmy “the Peanut” Carter twisting the knife a few years later). This is one of three big reasons manufacturers fled the USA.

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Don't fell like quoting, but the whole tracking thing in China.   When I was stationed in Germany my I was assigned to a LRSU unit, part of 7th corps MI battalion.  Some of us went Bled, Yugoslavia for Christmas in 1988 and everywhere we went there were soldiers following us.  I remember on Christmas Eve going to a bar living it up like a king, the dollar was loved.  I got really drunk and my friends were escorting me back to hotel.  I fell down fell down and rolled hill down to lake, luckily I didn't go in lake(it was cold) but the soldiers following us were laughing their ass off.  After that it was much easier for us, guess they realized that us LRSU soldiers really were there to party and not snoop.

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19 minutes ago, TexasGrunt said:

Don't fell like quoting, but the whole tracking thing in China.   When I was stationed in Germany my I was assigned to a LRSU unit, part of 7th corps MI battalion.  Some of us went Bled, Yugoslavia for Christmas in 1988 and everywhere we went there were soldiers following us.  I remember on Christmas Eve going to a bar living it up like a king, the dollar was loved.  I got really drunk and my friends were escorting me back to hotel.  I fell down fell down and rolled hill down to lake, luckily I didn't go in lake(it was cold) but the soldiers following us were laughing their ass off.  After that it was much easier for us, guess they realized that us LRSU soldiers really were there to party and not snoop.

china was a dangerous place for americans at the end of the cold war.  we had a family friend disappeared for a month when she went back to visit.  being 8, i never heard the details of what happened and my parents still won't tell me but i know the family had to lean on contacts and cash to get her back.  

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