Butter is better [Seed oil bad]

[CenTex Hill Billy 146]

MD friend told me she would only eat fast food if it was made with butter and not the usual veggie, canola, or other seed oils. We're talking about real butter from the utter. Not the fake stuff. She claims these other oils are highly processed, provide little nutritional value, and are incredibly bad for you. 

She had me stunned. So I put down my banjo and I asked well what's wrong with my regular cooking oils and my tub of I Cannot Believe It's Not Butter? 

Well it's simple really. Cooking oils and butter contain saturated fats, Omega 6 Linoleic, Omega 3 Alpha Linolenic Acid, and Omega 9 Oleic Acid. All these are burned for calories by our body or are stored as body fat but we want to focus on the one that is found in so many foods we eat today. Optimally we want to have a balance of Omega 6 and Omega 3 FAs but over the last 150 the Western diet has morphed into one where Omega 6s account for over 20% of the average American's caloric intake. 

Omega 6 Linoleic Acids.

Seed oils are highly rich in Omega 6 Linoleic Acid - not to be confused with omega 3 fatty acids found in your fish oil supplements. 

Scientists have found consuming excess of amounts of Omega 6 (<10% of daily calories), like eating P Terry's french fries fried with canola oil, leads to a cycle within our cells called Catastrophic Lipid Peroxidation Cascades. Most importantly, this cycle involves mitochondrial dysfunction (Energy Dysregulation & failure) and the creation of Lipid Hydroperoxides. 

If you remember the color of your HS biology teacher's underwear (baby blue), you'll know that Mitochondria are the power house of the cell.  Under normal function your mitochondria will 'burn' fats through a process called FA Beta-Oxidation or carbohydrates through Glycolysis to produce energy.

HOWEVER, when your cells experience Catastrophic Lipid Peroxidation Cascades from excess Omega 6 your body is no longer able to 'burn' fats.  

And there's only one place for these fats to go...

 

Pretty obvious right? You eat fast food and you get fat. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. 

Curling 40 lbs of fat just to pull out your dick is pretty terrible but it can get much worse than that.

Remember Lipid Hydroperoxide (LOOH)? Well this breaks down into some highly toxic aldehydes... 4-HNE, MDA, OxLams, Acrolein, and Carboxyethyl pyrrole.

Collectively here's what these do:

• Cytotoxic - kills cells (like chemo, snake venom)
• Mutagenic - Alters DNA (leads to degenerative diseases; Alzheimers, Macular Degeneration, Parkinson's, etc)
• Genotoxic - DNA destruction (cancer)
• Carcinogenic - Causes cancer
• Atherogenic - plaque build up in arteries (atherosclerosis, heart disease, heart attacks)
• Thrombogenic - inducing clots (Strokes, heart attacks)
• Obesogenic - immense weight gain

Sounds a lot like all the high risk conditions for high covid mortality.

 

You should have stuck with butter. 

If you're curious about the history of Omega 6 FAs in western diets over the last 150 years and how this correlates with Diseases of Civilization, or if you want to a run down of the science behind this, I can recommend no one other than Dr. Chris Knobbe. 

Here's a recent presentation loaded with everything you need to know.

 

Good, bad, ugly of oils (in no particular order)

God tier:

1. BUTTER

Good Oils(>3% Omega 6):

1. Coconut oil
2. MCTs

Other Oils(~10% Omega 6):

1. Avocado oil (great for high temp cooking)
2. Lard (classic)
3. Olive Oil (Mussolini special)
4. Flaxseed oil (high in Omega 3s but still contains a shit ton of Omega 6s)

Death oils(<10% Omega 6) THROW THESE AWAY:

1. Cottonseed oil [death]
2. Peanut Oil
3. Palm Oil
4. Sunflower Oil [death]
5. Safflower Oil 
6. Rapeseed Oil (a Waco, Tx favorite)
7. Corn Oil [death brought to you by Nebraska]
8. Soy Oil [death and pussification]
9. Canola Oil [death]
10. Vegetable Oil [death]
11. FAKE BUTTER [death]
12. Margarine [death]
13. Shortening [death]

There's also a lot of research behind Omega 3 and Omega 6 ratios. Studies suggest a 1:1 ratio is ideal for health and longevity. However, Omega 6 is consumed in excess by 2-5x of Omega 3s in the US. 

So stop eating fast food. Avoid salad dressing. Watch your sauces. Read the ingredients label. 

[PRONG HORN 3148]

 

 

 

 

[Sam Lin 3559]

[deadshank 24653]

[Texaskimo 135]

I want to believe you know what you're talking about, but your inability to master inequality signs makes me not want to consider any of your technical opinions.

[futureman 22488]

6 hours ago, CenTex Hill Billy said:

Good Oils(>3% Omega 6):

1. Coconut oil
2. MCTs

isn’t your alligator facing the wrong way?

[utee94 15835]

<> how does it work????

 

Overall I get it though.  The anti-butter movement started several decades ago and was largely related to the idea that all fats are inherently bad.  A lot of "OMG THE SCIENCE" studies have overturned that simplistic view in the intervening years.

 

[smuggs 9353]

[ztejas 43482]

Yeah. Vegetable oils are really bad for you. The problem is that they are in literally everything that is delicious (not everything but once you start checking ingredients labels it cuts down your snacking options). If you want to cut out oils, cut out carbs and sugars and you're basically there.

[TwiceHorn 31503]

10 minutes ago, utee94 said:

<> how does it work????

 

Overall I get it though.  The anti-butter movement started several decades ago and was largely related to the idea that all fats are inherently bad.  A lot of "OMG THE SCIENCE" studies have overturned that simplistic view in the intervening years.

 

The facile notion that eating foods high in fat and cholesterol would increase serum cholesterol.  That's some sixth grade science right there. 

It's kind of infuriating.

[Neonmoon 38129]

I agree that butter is not bad for you. (Like anything, In moderation) It has been proven. But I’m going to need more proof on some of the other claims other than “my doctor friend said” 

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5793]

Local hillbilly loves butter, more at 11

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

Now do eggs and coffee because they seem to either be the worst / best food for you depending on the source.

[Chewbacca 7780]

We cook pretty much exclusively with butter, coconut oil and Extra Virgin Olive Oil.  Good to know I'm doing it right!

We've avoided processed foods for a long time.  Try and stick with natural foods that we cook ourselves.  I'm still fat, but that's because I drink too much and I eat too much.

[elfenix 34322]

4 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Now do eggs and coffee because they seem to either be the worst / best food for you depending on the source.

 

[CooterBrown 18015]

1 hour ago, Chewbacca said:

We cook pretty much exclusively with butter, coconut oil and Extra Virgin Olive Oil.  Good to know I'm doing it right!

We've avoided processed foods for a long time.  Try and stick with natural foods that we cook ourselves.  I'm still fat, but that's because I drink too much and I eat too much.

Coconut oil is one of the worst oils for heart health. It actually raises both good and bad cholesterol, more so than any other oil.

Stick with avocado and olive oil if you have to use oil.

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2732]

ghee

[Sawbonz 27580]

[C-Man 27231]

27 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

ghee

[futureman 22488]

1 hour ago, CooterBrown said:

Coconut oil is one of the worst oils for heart health.

that’s not true. it’s debatable whether or not it’s good for you. but one of the worst? no. 

[CooterBrown 18015]

that’s not true. it’s debatable whether or not it’s good for you. but one of the worst? no. 

https://www.mayoclinic.org/dont-get-tricked-by-these-3-heart-health-myths/art-20390070

Myth: Coconut oil is a heart-healthy cooking alternative.

The argument: Coconut oil is extremely high in saturated fat — about 50 percent more than butter, even.

But despite that saturated fat is known to raise cholesterol levels, linked with heart disease risk, proponents believe that some saturated fats in coconut oil (called medium-chain triglycerides) are less harmful and may actually raise levels of beneficial HDL cholesterol.

The reality: Coconut oil has been shown to raise cholesterol levels — the good and the bad kinds — more than other plant-based oils like olive or canola. And in truth, medium-chain triglycerides make up only a small amount of the fatty acids in coconut oil.

Plus, while other heart-healthy fats like olive oil, canola oil, or omega-3 fatty acids in nuts and seafood have been supported by a large body of evidence, coconut oil's supposed benefits still haven't been proved in large-scale human research.

[futureman 22488]

1 minute ago, CooterBrown said:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/dont-get-tricked-by-these-3-heart-health-myths/art-20390070

Myth: Coconut oil is a heart-healthy cooking alternative.

The argument: Coconut oil is extremely high in saturated fat — about 50 percent more than butter, even.

But despite that saturated fat is known to raise cholesterol levels, linked with heart disease risk, proponents believe that some saturated fats in coconut oil (called medium-chain triglycerides) are less harmful and may actually raise levels of beneficial HDL cholesterol.

The reality: Coconut oil has been shown to raise cholesterol levels — the good and the bad kinds — more than other plant-based oils like olive or canola. And in truth, medium-chain triglycerides make up only a small amount of the fatty acids in coconut oil.

Plus, while other heart-healthy fats like olive oil, canola oil, or omega-3 fatty acids in nuts and seafood have been supported by a large body of evidence, coconut oil's supposed benefits still haven't been proved in large-scale human research.

exactly.  thank you. 

[futureman 22488]

here’s one published more recently.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/heart-disease-overview/coconut-oil-heart-healthy-or-just-hype

[Guest Lobo]

All of my oil knowledge comes from my uncle.  Well, the edible kind.  South Austin's mom and I share an intimate knowledge of myriad massage oils.  

He served for many years on Naval Submarines and then in Naval Intelligence.  He tells me his two lessons in life when it comes to the kitchen...

Remember that Peanut Oil won't smoke...it will eventually..but not any temperature you'll be using it at.  And we use Canola to make Mustard Gas to kill Koreans.  

Something else about poker with a guy named Cincinnati and cream cheese.  But he was sure as shit right about the first two.  

Edited January 6, 2021 by Lobo

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

2 hours ago, futureman said:

that’s not true. it’s debatable whether or not it’s good for you. but one of the worst? no. 

Sir, can I interest you in some coconut oill mayonnaise?

[pops 7005]

4 hours ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

ghee

Didn't get past the first couple sentences of the book in the OP and came to post this. This is the correct answer. 

[pops 7005]

 

5 hours ago, CooterBrown said:

Coconut oil is one of the worst oils for heart health. It actually raises both good and bad cholesterol, more so than any other oil.

Stick with avocado and olive oil if you have to use oil.

I only use it for lube in a pinch. Acceptable?

[futureman 22488]

1 hour ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Sir, can I interest you in some coconut oill mayonnaise?

absolutely 

[threesheets 1673]

I respect the shit outta the fact that one could build an empire of a reputation based on his love of mayonnaise. 

Salute @futureman. 

[CooterBrown 18015]

10 hours ago, pops said:

 

I only use it for lube in a pinch. Acceptable?

Yes.

[smuggs 9353]

10 hours ago, pops said:

 

I only use it for lube in a pinch. Acceptable?

Depends.

[closetojumping 62747]

Whew. Glad to know that coconut oil is a-okay. My daily diet of Pappasito's for both lunch and dinner is thankful, given that's the oil they use for anything fried including the chips. Excellent news.

[Viper 12109]

good to know. I drink butter and mct oil almost everyday and always use butter when I'm making eggs or most anything else on the pan.

[South Austin 52521]

12 minutes ago, Viper said:

good to know. I drink butter and mct oil almost everyday and always use butter when I'm making eggs or most anything else on the pan.

Same here.  Been doing that for the past few years when ostensibly reliable people on the internet starting saying that butter and MCT oil are good for you. 

[Zwylde 812]

So the "Chick-fil-A is better for you  because they use peanut oil" is some more bullshit? 

[utee94 15835]

Anyone that eats fast food and believes it is anything other than unhealthy, is not in touch with reality.

[Zwylde 812]

But Jack in the Box tacos are still okay for you, right?

[Cheeseweasel 26438]

12 minutes ago, Zwylde said:

But Jack in the Box tacos are still okay for you, right?

If they are wrong, I don't want to be right.

[Drunk Stoner 63]

On 1/5/2021 at 6:26 PM, Lobo said:

All of my oil knowledge comes from my uncle.  Well, the edible kind.  South Austin's mom and I share an intimate knowledge of myriad massage oils.  

He served for many years on Naval Submarines and then in Naval Intelligence.  He tells me his two lessons in life when it comes to the kitchen...

Remember that Peanut Oil won't smoke...it will eventually..but not any temperature you'll be using it at.  And we use Canola to make Mustard Gas to kill Koreans.  

Something else about poker with a guy named Cincinnati and cream cheese.  But he was sure as shit right about the first two.  

[shnsajax 3591]

17 hours ago, Zwylde said:

But Jack in the Box tacos are still okay for you, right?

I'm holding out for Boat N Net. Should be good to go. 

[Guest]

On 1/5/2021 at 2:39 PM, Chewbacca said:

We cook pretty much exclusively with butter, coconut oil and Extra Virgin Olive Oil.  Good to know I'm doing it right!

We've avoided processed foods for a long time.  Try and stick with natural foods that we cook ourselves.  I'm still fat, but that's because I drink too much and I eat too much.

same here, but honestly, to me it just freaking tastes better.   Have felt for a long time that eating the bowl is better for you than eating margarine...

Wife started using coconut oil about 10 years ago as part of a diet, and the other 2 were already mainstays.

[futureman 22488]

people that use margarine rode the short bus. 

[utee94 15835]

 

[Chewbacca 7780]

4 hours ago, slorch said:

same here, but honestly, to me it just freaking tastes better.   Have felt for a long time that eating the bowl is better for you than eating margarine...

Wife started using coconut oil about 10 years ago as part of a diet, and the other 2 were already mainstays.

That's the main reason we do it - taste.  But staying away from processed foods is another.

[Baboontyme 2814]

What about grapeseed oil dammit?!

[markstanco 12577]

On 1/5/2021 at 7:26 PM, Lobo said:

All of my oil knowledge comes from my uncle.  Well, the edible kind. 

Edible Uncle would be a kick as band name. 

[CHIEF 5094]

Haven't used margarine in 25 years, only butter. Olive oil for medium heat, recently started using avocado oil for high heat. Working from home, the wife and I eat fast food probably once every other month, it's 20 minutes into town. 

Now, the question I have, is what do you use for your home deep fryer? Always used peanut oil for frying fish, but usually vegetable oil for other things. We only fry once, sometimes twice per week. Is bulk avocado oil available at a price that won't break the bank?

CHIEF 

 

[HouTex 1883]

So no more fried turkey in peanut oil? I say just eat fried foods in moderation. My downfall is fries. I try to limit them to a couple of times a month.

[Trey3216 15348]

Posted this in another thread, but considering this is the thread about butter, it must be guided to a proper repository.   
 

don’t know if any of y’all drove by this place outside of Cincy back in the day, but I damn sure remember it fondly.  
 

 

[utee94 15835]

18 hours ago, HouTex said:

So no more fried turkey in peanut oil? I say just eat fried foods in moderation. My downfall is fries. I try to limit them to a couple of times a month.

Turkey fried in peanut oil is delicious.

Everything in moderation, of course.