The US Capitol has been Breached [Action and Developing stories]

[Js1 85,662]

2 minutes ago, Horndog said:

The unsung hero Tuesday night was the person with the presence of mind to grab the ballot certificates as the House chamber was being evacuated.

Quick thinking and I commend her, but also, there's multiple copies that could be sent over.  It might have delayed it until Thursday, but it wasn't going to somehow change the results. 

[Jiggy-Z 3,440]

4 minutes ago, Horndog said:

The unsung hero Tuesday night was the person with the presence of mind to grab the ballot certificates as the House chamber was being evacuated.

Although symbolically significant, there are multiple copies in the hands of various election bodies and the certificates could have easily been replaced, but perhaps not in time to complete the work on the night of the 6th. 

Js1 beat me to it, foiled again.

Edited January 8, 2021 by Jiggy-Z

[MissingInAction 25,257]

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[wildcat09 29,449]

16 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

Maybe I'm pumping sunshine on a Friday, but I see a lot of good that can come out of this:

1) It's going to motivate federal law enforcement to take domestic terrorism seriously, in much the same way the Oklahoma City bombing did.  The late 1990's were a tough time to be a right-wing militia in America.  Virtually all of them were infiltrated by the FBI.  

That changed after September 11, when our law-enforcement focus shifted to Muslim extremism.  And it took a good decade for the right-wing militias to rebuild.  Now, having rebuilt, the FBI and other law-enforcement agencies are going to tear them back down.

2) It gives a lot of cover for Republicans to distance themselves from Trump.  And that is going to cause a breach within that party.

Half of that party thinks violent insurrection is great.  The other half is scared shitless of such a thing, because their power, money, and status come from operating within the current constitutional government.  They'll have the tiger as their mascot, but that fucking tiger needs to be caged.  And the second it gets out of its cage, it needs to be put down.

They're going to be fighting that tiger for the next several years (and maybe decades).  And in the meantime, they lose voters.

3) It marginalizes Trump, which in turn marginalizes his followers.  The electoral power of Trump has been that he has been able to get people who ordinarily don't vote to show up and vote for him.  But that power isn't transferable.  When he's not on the ballot, they don't show up (as evidenced in 2018 and against earlier this week in Georgia). 

These low-education marginal voters only showed up because of Trump's celebrity.  That celebrity isn't like a cloak that can be taken off and put on someone else's shoulders.  Does anybody honestly think that Josh Hawley can step into the shoes of Donald Trump and get the turnout in East Nowheresville, Ohio that Trump did?  No--because Trump is a celebrity; Hawley is a fucking senator from Missouri.

And it doesn't matter how much Trump campaigns for other candidates, his people only show up for Trump.

Even with those marginal voters, Trump lost to Biden by 7 Million votes.  Without them, the Republicans are a really very small minority, considering that we have a two-party system.

I think it's possible, but not likely. We're already not seeing what we would need to see happen, or at least not quickly enough, for good to come out of this. For some good to come out of this, I think we would need to have seen an immediate impeachment and removal of Trump as POTUS. Not this fucking around, begging a bunch of his acting appointees to remove him or trying to find ways to work with the military and Pence so everyone could just pretend Trump's gone for the next two weeks.

Trump quite literally ordered an assault on American democracy. If enough people in Congress still had enough respect for their own institution, they would have immediately fucking removed him from power and expelled the members who helped incite that attack. We haven't seen that. Congress as a body isn't prepared to assert itself as it needs to do. Instead, they're giving Trump time to figure out how to break more shit and they're giving his supporters time to figure out a way they can characterize Wednesday as a win. 

We're still in that liminal period where things could go either way, but the nazis are moving faster to figure out how to twist this to their advantage than the non-nazis are at stopping them. 

[InkaUtexas 26,282]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

Holy shit, I had no idea CP was this bloated:

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/01/08/capitol-police-failure-456237

In the past two decades, the Capitol Police has grown into one of the largest, best-funded and most single-focus police departments in the country, with a budget of more than $460 million and around 2,000 sworn officers to guard just 2 square miles of the capital. (By comparison, that’s half the size of the entire police force for Washington, D.C.)

And add to that the contract security people who are also present at all Federal Buildings. They do not have LEO authority, but they are there to augment and shoot bad guys. 

[Nivek 17,016]

1 hour ago, Ghost of LL said:

Ok, but let's pause for a second and note that coups are actually hard.  We remember the ones that succeed.  But for every one that succeeds, there are dozens of failed attempts that we have forgotten.  I mean, we remember the Beer Hall Putsch, which the Weimar Republic (never a stable government on its best day) survived.  But who remembers the Algiers putsch of 1961 to overthrow de Gaulle and prevent French withdrawal from Algeria?  Or the Borghese Plot by the Italian Navy to overthrow the Italian government and install a Fascist dictatorship in 1970?

Coups are hard.  They don't usually work.

What was the plan here?  Even if it had really worked--even if they had captured Congress, killed every Democrat, and had the rump elect Donald Trump dictator for life--what then?  Half the states would secede, including the two that surround the District of Columbia.  I mean, yeah--America would be destroyed and Putin would be gleeful.  But this putsch was never going to ease in a Trump dynasty to rule over a unified country.

They thought they would be treated as heroes and liberators. They thought would receive Medals of Freedom from Trump and go home as a hero and become important and famous in their local communities.  They want to belong to something and it is easier to earn membership in this community with threats and violence than earn respect by being a volunteer at a soup kitchen or researching cures for cancer.  All it takes is the pull of a trigger, that is so much easier, direct, than cleaning pots and pans or vomit off the floor of an orphanage.   

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

8 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

She breached a room where secret service had sheltered a few senators/reps.

SS does NOT fuck around and find out. 

How do I know it was SS and not a useless CHPD cop?

That was a straight up kill shot. Not center mass. 

Officials said it was a cap police officer that made the shot though.  It was the last defensive position before Congress.  CHPD would have had their best officers there as well.

[Js1 85,662]

1 hour ago, B00M said:

Holy shit, I had no idea CP was this bloated:

https://www.politico.com/amp/news/magazine/2021/01/08/capitol-police-failure-456237

In the past two decades, the Capitol Police has grown into one of the largest, best-funded and most single-focus police departments in the country, with a budget of more than $460 million and around 2,000 sworn officers to guard just 2 square miles of the capital. (By comparison, that’s half the size of the entire police force for Washington, D.C.)

If THAT is being singularly focused on protecting the Capitol....

[Bruh Man 3,160]

SIAP but this video is insane. 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

The coup is ongoing until Trump is removed.  
 

Biden becoming President doesn’t magically end what Trump is currently doing. 

[David Dennison 19,031]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The coup is ongoing until Trump is removed.  
 

Biden becoming President doesn’t magically end what Trump is currently doing. 

It's looking like he will only be removed when his term expires.

 

[MissingInAction 25,257]

2 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Officials said it was a cap police officer that made the shot though.  It was the last defensive position before Congress.  CHPD would have had their best officers there as well.

Thanks. I deleted my post once I realized how stupid it was.

[Sawbonz 27,737]

6 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

CNN says dead, again, so....maybe cross him off.  Fluid situation. 

So Trump is now a cop killer

[Goofyboy 3,302]

These fucks are planning to come back again...

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMJ7B8ubt/

[wildcat09 29,449]

This was fucking 16 hours ago:

 

Even fucking Spanberger gets it and Pelosi still doesn't want to impeach.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

[Mole 4,333]

23 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Maybe I'm wrong and off as so many insist, but as I continue to process it, I still find her death to be unnecessary.  The whole goddamn thing was just so unnecessary and this weird combination of very serious business and total fucking clownshow.

Mostly the bolded, but I think part of the disconnect is the lack of seriousness by so many of the terrorists. The attack was partially a party, partially a sight-seeing trip, and part coup attempt. The Q movement is so absurd that it’s difficult to take seriously. Trump is such a buffoon of a leader and his attempted overthrow of the government was so unserious that it’s easy to dismiss it, even when you intellectually understand its danger. 

The deceased terrorist was not a person with legitimate or serious grievances. She died for a lie, a joke, entertainment.

If a radical arm of BLM arose and started carrying out attacks, I’d be horrified, but I’d understand their logic and complaints. Same for when Muslim terrorists attacked the US. There’s an actual problem that they’re  trying to remedy in the most terrible way. Even when a lone nutcase tries to attack the IRS, I can empathize with being frustrated with the IRS. 
 

Tuesday’s terrorist attack has no basis in reality and was so absurd that it’s really hard to take seriously, even when you intellectually understand that it’s deadly serious.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Pelosi still doesn't want to impeach.

I’m two klicks away from “Pelosi needs to resign.”

[tokamak 6,452]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

Joking aside, the turnout for this thing was pathetic. Maybe 20k? 30k tops overall? This for an event Trump has been hyping for weeks. The lunatic vanguard is dangerous and terrible and needs to be viciously combated, but they don't really represent the swingable voters that still exist in his coalition.

Unfortunately I think you're dead wrong. What "swingable" voters? There may be shitload of people out there that aren't quite ready to pick up a gun and storm the Capitol, but they absolutely believe that antifa was responsible for this, that the election really was stolen, that Trump is the greatest president we've ever had, and so on. And nothing can change their minds because they live in an echo chamber of right-wing media fantasy. Those people are out there by the tens of millions and I guarantee that you work with them and live next to them. Especially if you live in Texas or another red state.

My next door neighbors, who are very nice and seem from the outside to be fairly normal people, have stockpiled gasoline in their garage for when the civil war starts. I am not making that up.

Edited January 8, 2021 by tokamak

[wildcat09 29,449]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m two klicks away from “Pelosi needs to resign.”

It's insane that Dem leadership doesn't understand that Congress has to assert itself. Refusing to act because you're scared that you can't get the GOP votes to remove him is the same failure, and is stupid politically because you don't put individual GOP senators on the spot to explain why they think the President ordering an armed assault on the Capitol doesn't warrant removal. A vote not to remove is an immediate violation of their oaths of office and it should be screamed to the fucking rooftops as such.

[burntorangebongos 10,766]

If they had thought to get to the ballot boxes as the "objective" of breaking into the capitol, they would have succeeded in delaying or causing a mistrust of what were the certified counts. I don't believe they thought further than mayhem and punishing Pence for their dear leader but that would have really borked things if they had gotten to the certified ballot boxes. 

[Gourmand 7,774]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m two klicks away from “Pelosi needs to resign.”

 

[Surly Bevo 25,322]

6 minutes ago, tokamak said:

My next door neighbors, who are very nice and seem from the outside to be fairly normal people, have stockpiled gasoline in their garage for when the civil war starts. I am not making that up.

So they're stupid and it should be easy for you to kill them with a match or maybe a stick lighter.  

Edited January 8, 2021 by Surly Bevo

[Neonmoon 38,130]

17 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

SIAP but this video is insane. 

 

I might need to take a cooling off period after watching that 

[wildcat09 29,449]

1 minute ago, Gourmand said:

 

It should be done already. Before begging him to resign, before begging Pence and the cabinet to remove him, and before begging the military not to follow orders. She has already failed in her duty and every moment she delays the fire he's lit spreads.

[hobbes2702 13,123]

3 minutes ago, burntorangebongos said:

If they had thought to get to the ballot boxes as the "objective" of breaking into the capitol, they would have succeeded in delaying or causing a mistrust of what were the certified counts. I don't believe they thought further than mayhem and punishing Pence for their dear leader but that would have really borked things if they had gotten to the certified ballot boxes. 

The dudes with zip tie cuffs, people with pipe bombs, Molotov cocktail guy, and those who built the gallows in the grounds all clearly had thoughts further than mayhem.

[Degenerate Gardner 4,104]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

I might need to take a cooling off period after watching that 

And extricate my heart from my throat.

[David Dennison 19,031]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

It should be done already. Before begging him to resign, before begging Pence and the cabinet to remove him, and before begging the military not to follow orders. She has already failed in her duty and every moment she delays the fire he's lit spreads.

Agreed, but she knows he won't be removed. That plays into the calculation.

[wildcat09 29,449]

Just now, David Dennison said:

Agreed, but she knows he won't be removed. That plays into the calculation.

No shit it does, and it's wrong and it's cowardice and it's a dereliction of duty.

[Gardner Barnes 1,562]

5 hours ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

There is so much fucking around and finding out.  I cant say I am not enjoying it.

also.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,642]

50 minutes ago, 27-25 said:

Is that a painting of Cronus eating one of his children?  WTF?

Yes it is. Here's the aggie version

[Nivek 17,016]

30 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I don't think so.  One thing that may be influencing it, though, is that I have seen the video of the shooting on several occasions.  I tend to avoid them in other cases because I don't like watching people get killed.  I can usually generate some sort of empathy or outrage without having to watch them get killed.

I'm not flat sympathetic to her.  I acknowledge her crimes.  If anyone thinks I am somehow excusing the insurrectionists by regretting her shooting and death, well you can fuck right off.

I simply question the necessity of shooting her.

I have no doubt that in court it would be legally justified, but that's not the source of my agitation about it.  We all know the courts are overly deferential to LEO.  This would be one of the more appropriate exercises of qualified immunity.

I have said on at least one occasion here that a more forceful response from Capitol Police or others would have been justified legally and every other way.  I haven't seen a lot of evidence that the force would have required shooting people, but can't rule that out, either.  Some of those fuckers were armed.

It has become more clear to me that perhaps her group advanced, violently, further than the rest of the insurrectionists.  And therefore that maybe she was "one of the worst" and more deserving of being shot than some of the others.

However, I have also learned that that door was to the "Speaker's Lobby" outside Pelosi's office and other majority House members.  That seems bad, and maybe evidence that she was a clear and present danger.  But, we also know that Pelosi's office was actually occupied by Bigo and others, so that would seem to indicate that no House members were in that space or threatened by her actions.

I believe we have also learned that it was not Secret Service that shot her, but plainclothes Capitol Police (which is relevant only in that Secret Service might indicate the close proximity of endangered House members).  I have seen no evidence that she was armed, which would change my calculus on the deal.

All in all, it would have been more satisfying and appropriate that the shooter or another officer or group instead drag her ass through the window and beat her, tase her, gas her right there in front of that crowd.  Why not a warning shot?

As far as I know, no other gunshots were fired, and certainly no others were shot.  There are bullet holes in the glass at the entrance that are unexplained.

As I think you said, I was processing the thing at the time and still am.

Maybe I'm wrong and off as so many insist, but as I continue to process it, I still find her death to be unnecessary.  The whole goddamn thing was just so unnecessary and this weird combination of very serious business and total fucking clownshow.

I am with you on generally not watching the videos of people dying, and like you I watched this one.  I think it was a bit early to assign credit, but I took a leap because those looked like SS agents to me in the suits.  I disagree with you on the need to shoot her.  Taking her into custody would remove one or more officers attention from maintaining the defense and threat to the mob of terrorists.  Even if he pulled out a billy club and started pretending he was at a BLM protest, it would take his full attention away for critical moments that could have lead to more people coming in through the breach and diminishing their ability to contain the area.  If the room was filled with 20 officers*, yes they could have absorbed her assuming they had cuffs, clubs, tazers, etc. and maintained security.  *My 20 officer estimate is based on my rectal calculations, not based on some experience or prior knowledge of the proper number of offices required to perform this task in a room of this size.

Additional Questions and Ramblings:

• If it was a plain clothes cop, do they often carry a full suite of non-lethals or do they just carry the lethals?  It would seem to me they carry cuffs and a gun only.
• Do we ever see police fire warning shots?   
  • Is it prudent to discharge a live round in some direction, risk hurting someone unintentionally? 
  • And if you are faced with a terrorist mob intent to kill, is it prudent to waste your limited ammunition supply on warning shots when they already breached the barriers, made it past to uniformed police, and were storming the building having taken control of sections of the house? 
• I saw the bullets in the glass and wondered about this as well. 

[burntorangebongos 10,766]

7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

The dudes with zip tie cuffs, people with pipe bombs, Molotov cocktail guy, and those who built the gallows in the grounds all clearly had thoughts further than mayhem.

Good thing they are dumbfucks because the ballot boxes were the prize that would have gotten more favorable results for a coup. 

[David Dennison 19,031]

6 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

No shit it does, and it's wrong and it's cowardice and it's a dereliction of duty.

Which is why they are going to do it anyway.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Trump only understands force and he's a coward. We get this. Anyone who watches A Christmas Story gets this. But, I suspect Nancy may not. Someone might need to take her aside and explain that her Cher moment has finally arrived and she is the one who can slap Trump in the face and yell, "Snap out of it!" and then escort him to the door.

 

2 hours ago, Ghost of LL said:

Maybe I'm pumping sunshine on a Friday, but I see a lot of good that can come out of this:

1) It's going to motivate federal law enforcement to take domestic terrorism seriously, in much the same way the Oklahoma City bombing did.  The late 1990's were a tough time to be a right-wing militia in America.  Virtually all of them were infiltrated by the FBI.  

That changed after September 11, when our law-enforcement focus shifted to Muslim extremism.  And it took a good decade for the right-wing militias to rebuild.  Now, having rebuilt, the FBI and other law-enforcement agencies are going to tear them back down.

2) It gives a lot of cover for Republicans to distance themselves from Trump.  And that is going to cause a breach within that party.

Half of that party thinks violent insurrection is great.  The other half is scared shitless of such a thing, because their power, money, and status come from operating within the current constitutional government.  They'll have the tiger as their mascot, but that fucking tiger needs to be caged.  And the second it gets out of its cage, it needs to be put down.

They're going to be fighting that tiger for the next several years (and maybe decades).  And in the meantime, they lose voters.

3) It marginalizes Trump, which in turn marginalizes his followers.  The electoral power of Trump has been that he has been able to get people who ordinarily don't vote to show up and vote for him.  But that power isn't transferable.  When he's not on the ballot, they don't show up (as evidenced in 2018 and against earlier this week in Georgia). 

These low-education marginal voters only showed up because of Trump's celebrity.  That celebrity isn't like a cloak that can be taken off and put on someone else's shoulders.  Does anybody honestly think that Josh Hawley can step into the shoes of Donald Trump and get the turnout in East Nowheresville, Ohio that Trump did?  No--because Trump is a celebrity; Hawley is a fucking senator from Missouri.

And it doesn't matter how much Trump campaigns for other candidates, his people only show up for Trump.

Even with those marginal voters, Trump lost to Biden by 7 Million votes.  Without them, the Republicans are a really very small minority, considering that we have a two-party system.

I can get on board with your thoughts, but the propaganda train must not be allowed to leave the station.  FCC rules and regulations on foreign ownership, Fairness Doctrine, etc in order?

1 hour ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Ole Jenna has been a topic of conversation in this thread.  

Fuck her, vapid cunt.

Convo about her starts on page 3.

 

Um, I like you and enjoy your posts but maybe edit that last line as a preventative measure?

 

[Post Oak 20,312]

1 hour ago, Bruh Man said:

The parallels with Benghazi are striking. Armed terrorists ransack a government building leading to deaths of Americans. Everything they accused the Obama administration of - cover up to incompetence - was actually on full display from Trump and his goons. You really can’t make this shit up. 

I think it was Joseph Goebbels who said to accuse the opposition of what you are guilty of.

I don't know if it was him but I think about that line a lot.

[Sawbonz 27,737]

10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

No shit it does, and it's wrong and it's cowardice and it's a dereliction of duty.

Yep. This is night and day compared to quid pro quo for dirt on your political opponent. Articles should have been drawn up immediately 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

3 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I am with you on generally not watching the videos of people dying, and like you I watched this one.  I think it was a bit early to assign credit, but I took a leap because those looked like SS agents to me in the suits.  I disagree with you on the need to shoot her.  Taking her into custody would remove one or more officers attention from maintaining the defense and threat to the mob of terrorists.  Even if he pulled out a billy club and started pretending he was at a BLM protest, it would take his full attention away for critical moments that could have lead to more people coming in through the breach and diminishing their ability to contain the area.  If the room was filled with 20 officers*, yes they could have absorbed her assuming they had cuffs, clubs, tazers, etc. and maintained security.  *My 20 officer estimate is based on my rectal calculations, not based on some experience or prior knowledge of the proper number of offices required to perform this task in a room of this size.

Additional Questions and Ramblings:

• If it was a plain clothes cop, do they often carry a full suite of non-lethals or do they just carry the lethals?  It would seem to me they carry cuffs and a gun only.
• Do we ever see police fire warning shots?   
  • Is it prudent to discharge a live round in some direction, risk hurting someone unintentionally? 
  • And if you are faced with a terrorist mob intent to kill, is it prudent to waste your limited ammunition supply on warning shots when they already breached the barriers, made it past to uniformed police, and were storming the building having taken control of sections of the house? 
• I saw the bullets in the glass and wondered about this as well. 

Also, when I watched the initial breaching of the barricades outside (several right wing sites had videos) it sure looked like some folks were acting as a distraction outside on one side and then I watched out of the main focus of the camera and saw several people jump the barricades. Distraction is a large tool in the arsenal of attackers and some of this crew seemed to know that.

[Nivek 17,016]

30 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

SIAP but this video is insane. 

 

Watching that it makes me almost wonder if the police would be better served by using a phalanx strategy and using spears in conjunction with the shields to keep the terrorists at bay.  But cops being what they are, they would probably get carried away and turn it into an offense.

[TwiceHorn 31,663]

38 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

I think it's possible, but not likely. We're already not seeing what we would need to see happen, or at least not quickly enough, for good to come out of this. For some good to come out of this, I think we would need to have seen an immediate impeachment and removal of Trump as POTUS. Not this fucking around, begging a bunch of his acting appointees to remove him or trying to find ways to work with the military and Pence so everyone could just pretend Trump's gone for the next two weeks.

Trump quite literally ordered an assault on American democracy. If enough people in Congress still had enough respect for their own institution, they would have immediately fucking removed him from power and expelled the members who helped incite that attack. We haven't seen that. Congress as a body isn't prepared to assert itself as it needs to do. Instead, they're giving Trump time to figure out how to break more shit and they're giving his supporters time to figure out a way they can characterize Wednesday as a win. 

We're still in that liminal period where things could go either way, but the nazis are moving faster to figure out how to twist this to their advantage than the non-nazis are at stopping them. 

In the course of researching (do your own!) the issue of whether the Capitol was "breached" during Vietnam protests (it appears not to have been), I discovered that the "May Day" protests at the Capitol and elsewhere resulted in a huge police action and the largest mass arrests in US history (12,000 people).  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_May_Day_protests

So a proper response to fascism is, in some sense, more fascism.

What the fuck is going on.

 

[wildcat09 29,449]

Pelosi is now openly talking about how concerned she is he might nuke us but has been considering taking the weekend and impeaching him next week. 

This is it, this is what is going to drive me insane.

[AnotherUTFan 9,810]

They had pipe bombs, Molotov cocktails, guns, zip ties, nooses - and you don’t know what the goal was? They stormed the Capitol with the entire legislature inside!

Specifically, the entire line of succession between Trump and Pompeo, just as Pence refused to intervene. Think about that.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

1 minute ago, AnotherUTFan said:

 

 

Specifically, the entire line of succession between Trump and Pompeo, just as Pence refused to intervene. Think about that.
 

 

Believe me, I do.

I'm still waiting to find out what service academy that one fellow that got doxxed was from.

[bad_teammate 13,233]

31 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Unfortunately I think you're dead wrong. What "swingable" voters? There may be shitload of people out there that aren't quite ready to pick up a gun and storm the Capitol, but they absolutely believe that antifa was responsible for this, that the election really was stolen, that Trump is the greatest president we've ever had, and so on. And nothing can change their minds because they live in an echo chamber of right-wing media fantasy. Those people are out there by the tens of millions and I guarantee that you work with them and live next to them. Especially if you live in Texas or another red state.

My next door neighbors, who are very nice and seem from the outside to be fairly normal people, have stockpiled gasoline in their garage for when the civil war starts. I am not making that up.

We don't need 70%, we need 51%. There are plenty of people who aren't normally politically engaged whose tiny brains and short attention spans will forget Trump stuff. I don't say this because angels will improve their souls, I say it because they're idiots who are easily won with a shiny object. So display a shiny object and get their vote.

A complete moron's vote counts as much as a genius's vote.

I am long on-record of being a proponent of driving down to the trailer park and explicitly saying, "I will give you free stuff (healthcare, education) if you vote for me. The other guy is just as hoity-toity as me but he's going to give your boss a tax cut and tell you to eat garbage."

[Gourmand 7,774]

12 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

Yep. This is night and day compared to quid pro quo for dirt on your political opponent. Articles should have been drawn up immediately 

And then? I think we all agree that action must happen immediately but the reality is that firing Trump immediately is not as simple as Trump firing one of his executive branch appointees. I'm sure they're drafting those articles behind the scenes but I'm willing to give some small benefit of the doubt given the procedural and political hurdles they face when dealing with ppl like Joe Manchin. 

It's going to happen. 

 

Edited January 8, 2021 by Gourmand

[TXSG8R 3,362]

35 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m two klicks away from “Pelosi needs to resign.”

I think it’s more likely that Pelosi is trying to get Trump to resign because the most expedient method. They also need time to draft the articles and do some hasty form of review before putting it in front of the house for vote. You know the president’s lawyers will be looking for any undotted i to challenge. 

[Gardner Barnes 1,562]

Dana Bash on CNN just now:  Pelosi has been assured by senior members of the pentagon that Trump will have no access to the nuclear codes for the remainder of his term.

 

I mean, thats great.  However it is just another fucking example of why the fat fuck needs to be put out on the street. 

[wildcat09 29,449]

2 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

I think it’s more likely that Pelosi is trying to get Trump to resign because the most expedient method. They also need time to draft the articles and do some hasty form of review before putting it in front of the house for vote. You know the president’s lawyers will be looking for any undotted i to challenge. 

The articles have been drafted for 24 hours now.

[wildcat09 29,449]

Just now, Gardner Barnes said:

Dana Bash on CNN just now:  Pelosi has been assured by senior members of the pentagon that Trump will have no access to the nuclear codes for the remainder of his term.

 

I mean, thats great.  However it is just another fucking example of why the fat fuck needs to be put out on the street. 

Great, just great. Way to fucking legitimize all their deep state talk. 

Jesus fucking christ we have the dumbest fucking leadership.