The US Capitol has been Breached [Action and Developing stories]

[Eskimohorn 5,635]

Welp, they definitely learned their lesson!
 

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female elected officials - we did. [winks at Speaker Pelosi] But you can't hold a whole Trump party responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole 2-party system ? And if the whole 2-party system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our political institutions in general? I put it to you, Chuck - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Lord have mercy. How sad is it that I can totally picture your speech?

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3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

I feel like most of the country is already putting this behind them because Biden is the president now. 

I think the insurrectionists will see consequences, but I fear none of the people who incited it will ever be punished. McCarthy, Cruz, Hawley. I think we are about to prove that all politicians are above the law. 

I think it will haunt them in 2022.   The Dems have somebody competent running the party, and the ads for 2022 have already written (and filmed) themselves.

Republicans in 2022 running for reelection are going to skip the debates though, because every one of them will be asked to defend what happened at the Capitol, or to reject Trump and the insurrectionists. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think it will haunt them in 2022.   The Dems have somebody competent running the party, and the ads for 2022 have already written (and filmed) themselves.

Republicans in 2022 running for reelection are going to skip the debates though, because every one of them will be asked to defend what happened at the Capitol, or to reject Trump and the insurrectionists. 

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19 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Jaime Harrison is the DNC chair.

[Biff Tannen 45,685]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Republicans in 2022 running for reelection are going to skip the debates though, because every one of them will be asked to defend what happened at the Capitol, or to reject Trump and the insurrectionists. 

This is exactly why it WON’T haunt them. They will saturate the right wing media with boogeyman stories about Dems without ever having to defend shit and their base will turn out. 

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16 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is exactly why it WON’T haunt them. They will saturate the right wing media with boogeyman stories about Dems without ever having to defend shit and their base will turn out. 

And the Dems can run ads showing them stirring shit up and refusing to apologize or take responsibility.  

The ads are written and filmed.

[Biff Tannen 45,685]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And the Dems can run ads showing them stirring shit up and refusing to apologize or take responsibility.  

The ads are written and filmed.

You think this will work?  Really?

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Jaime Harrison is the DNC chair.

Harrison is fine, but I believe you are underestimating the depths to which the GOP/cult party will go in order to win and like @Brisketexan has said, 'there is no bottom.' To them, 'winning' is everything and the only thing.

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44 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

You think this will work?  Really?

I think it will remind those who voted last November, why they voted.

And Trump will not be on the ticket.

Hell, Trumpanzees couldn't stop Senate seats in Georgia and Arizona from flipping with Trump at the top of the ticket, and couldn't stop either state from going for Biden.

And a shitload of Trumpanzees/Qanon fanatics are going to be angry/depressed, both that he's not on the ticket, but also pissed at him for letting them down/being a failure.

There's already Republicans in Georgia who are looking to punish the GOP leadership, including the Governor, either by voting against them, or not voting at all.

Now spread that across the US.

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22 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Harrison is fine, but I believe you are underestimating the depths to which the GOP/cult party will go in order to win and like @Brisketexan has said, 'there is no bottom.' To them, 'winning' is everything and the only thing.

They need their corporate money or they do not pass go, do not collect $1,000,000.  So they are going to have to decide what they want to be - the dumbshit seditionists we saw on January 6th who will be watching as the Dems rake in their money, or the Stepford Wives clones we've seen in the past.

And then, there's this little problem for them - while we debate what the GOP will do against the Dems, the GOP first has to fight itself.  The GOP is locked into a civil war of its own making, and January 6th was just a preview.  

January 6th was a purity test for million of Trump supporters.  There's going to be a bunch of MAGA/Qanon shitfucks who are going to take things too far in the next 12-18 months, and it's going to force Republicans in Congress to pick a side between MAGA/Qanon or moderates (librools).

Mitch "The Turtle" McConnell even publicly stated that Trump was responsible for that little coup attempt.  He doesn't do that unless he thinks the MAGA/Qanons are now useless to the GOP, and more importantly, if he thinks they and their supporters in Congress are costing the GOP a lot of donations.

And, lest we forget, Trump and the Boys have vowed to primary every Republican who didn't suck up to Cheeto.  And I fully anticipate that they will do this, because Trump and his sons seem to have a knack for holding grudges for years on end.  And they've got a substantial amount of donations to fuck around and toss at primary opponents.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Look at what was going on in Michigan with the ballot certification there, though. This Freedom Caucus is going to do whatever it can to morph into something that maintains the power they grabbed when they were the Tea Party and they seem to have the lower level party machine on board with that. They don't care if it is by minority rule, they will take power by any means necessary.

[atomheartbevo 89,668]

To put it another way:  Trump and his sons, and MAGA/Qanon, while they hate liberals/Democrats, they really hate Republicans that they think betrayed them, because betrayal is one of the worst sins in their eyes, if not the worst sin.

Shit, Mike Pence should be the poster boy for what it means to be a Republican politician - constantly trying/pretending to be a good Christian, huge patriot, father of a Marine Corps officer, always pushing a conservative agenda.  And instead, millions of Republicans fucking loathe him for "betraying" Donnie.  

Pennsylvania, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin, and quite a few other states, are full of elected Republicans, plus various appointed judges, that the MAGA/Qanon crowd believe betrayed Donnie by certifying their elections, or refusing to toss out votes.  There's Republicans in those states that now have to have a security detail, because of this shit.

The Democrats could fuck up a wet dream with Sela Ward, but in this instance, many Republicans are going to beat each other to a bloody pulp before they even get to the general election.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

To put it another way:  Trump and his sons, and MAGA/Qanon, while they hate liberals/Democrats, they really hate Republicans that they think betrayed them, because betrayal is one of the worst sins in their eyes, if not the worst sin.

On this I definitely agree. It is one of the strangest things to observe among them--because many of them are disloyal to a fault, but if they feel betrayed themselves, wooo boy it's Hatfield and McCoy time.

[Pato del Muerto 52,498]

About that- what’s a realistic timeframe for them to get a bunch of Maga elected to state seats and start changing laws so that they can then appoint people that can and will make the kinds of choices that were not made these past 2 months that would have overturned a free and fair election result?  And then in enough states to affect the electoral college result?

[atomheartbevo 89,668]

20 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Look at what was going on in Michigan with the ballot certification there, though. This Freedom Caucus is going to do whatever it can to morph into something that maintains the power they grabbed when they were the Tea Party and they seem to have the lower level party machine on board with that. They don't care if it is by minority rule, they will take power by any means necessary.

And yet they still couldn't do it.  And it's not like Michigan is a Republican stronghold

• 1988 - Bill Clinton won (and Dukakis was the nominee!)
• 1992 - Bill won
• 1996 - Bill won
• 2000 - Gore won
• 2004 - Kerry won
• 2008 - Obama won
• 2012- Obama won
• 2016 - Trump won
• 2020 - Biden won

And I'd argue that Trump's (and those acting on his behalf) shenanigans in Georgia cost them control of the Senate.

Unified, the Republicans were unable to retain control of the Senate, and were unable to give Trump the WH.

Now they are split.

[atomheartbevo 89,668]

7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

About that- what’s a realistic timeframe for them to get a bunch of Maga elected to state seats and start changing laws so that they can then appoint people that can and will make the kinds of choices that were not made these past 2 months that would have overturned a free and fair election result?  And then in enough states to affect the electoral college result?

I'd argue that 2022 is is their one chance.  And that's assuming the MAGA/qanon crowd hasn't grown bored and/or distrustful of voting Republican.  We know plenty of these people weren't voting before 2016/2020, otherwise a Black Muslim, Atheist, Socialist, Marxist, Communist, Kenyan-born and Indonesian-raised pot smoker from Hawaii who became a "community organizer" in Chicago, and whose name included the word "Hussein" would not have won in 2008 and 2012.

And that's a huge assumption that Donnie doesn't start his own party.  He wants revenge, and he wants money.  If he could peel off 10 million or so Republicans, he gets to play kingmaker, and Mitch and Co. have to suck up to him, and he gets to 100% control the financial aspect and who gets what, if any, campaign/PAC contributions.

[TwiceHorn 31,471]

7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

About that- what’s a realistic timeframe for them to get a bunch of Maga elected to state seats and start changing laws so that they can then appoint people that can and will make the kinds of choices that were not made these past 2 months that would have overturned a free and fair election result?  And then in enough states to affect the electoral college result?

Hmm.  First off, guys like Raffensperger and Sterling are kinda the heroes of this shit show.

In one sense, when you put people actually "in the breech," where they can choose between right and grotesquely wrong, a lot of them will do the right thing, no matter how politically craven they may otherwise be.

I wouldn't put anything past the Texas GOP and the people it puts up for office, that we elect.  And we might actually have a close election next time, or the time after that.

[Pato del Muerto 52,498]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And yet they still couldn't do it.  And it's not like Michigan is a Republican stronghold

• 1988 - Bill Clinton won (and Dukakis was the nominee!)
• 1992 - Bill won
• 1996 - Bill won
• 2000 - Gore won
• 2004 - Kerry won
• 2008 - Obama won
• 2012- Obama won
• 2016 - Trump won
• 2020 - Biden won

And I'd argue that Trump's (and those acting on his behalf) shenanigans in Georgia cost them control of the Senate.

Unified, the Republicans were unable to retain control of the Senate, and were unable to give Trump the WH.

Now they are split.

Really though they lost the senate because one of the Georgia races had two republicans splitting that vote to get it into a runoff, then trump blew up the runoff demos by suppressing his own party turnout.  So it wasn’t a unified party. 
and the other one was how many votes away from Perdue getting a majority during the general?

[Brisketexan 105,139]

About that- what’s a realistic timeframe for them to get a bunch of Maga elected to state seats and start changing laws so that they can then appoint people that can and will make the kinds of choices that were not made these past 2 months that would have overturned a free and fair election result?  And then in enough states to affect the electoral college result?

You get it. They saw where their weaknesses were this time: local officials who were loyal to duty instead of Trump. They are going to make great efforts to rectify that.

The corporate donors will come back. It’s about buying influence among power brokers, and who will have more power than the party literally willing to murder its rivals to get it?

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

You get it. They saw where their weaknesses were this time: local officials who were loyal to duty instead of Trump. They are going to make great efforts to rectify that.

The corporate donors will come back. It’s about buying influence among power brokers, and who will have more power than the party literally willing to murder its rivals to get it?

It seems to be playing out in Arizona right now. They are reenacting some kind of war over there and everyone is trying to outdo Kevin Costner's crazy commander in Dances With Wolves.

[F250 28,775]

On 1/16/2021 at 12:26 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

God only knows. 

[Pato del Muerto 52,498]

1) gerrymander until you have the state house majority in as many states as possible 

2) use that majority to get the law on your side

3) use the law to get the statewide election results on your side (only required if you can’t circumvent the law in order to circumvent the election)

4) profit

5) goto 1

collecting the underpants of prostitutes and secret gay lovers is somewhere in there too. 

[Beau Vine 54,230]

On 1/21/2021 at 7:35 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Schilling can get fucked.  I don't think he's HOF worthy anyway.

I think he is, but he wasn't going to get voted in even if he had kept his yap shut all of January, so this "news" is not news.

[Sawbonz 27,562]

3 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

You think this will work?  Really?

Jesus the dems have both houses and the presidency and you are already conceding 2022 quit being a giant pussy

[atomheartbevo 89,668]

3 hours ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

It seems to be playing out in Arizona right now. They are reenacting some kind of war over there and everyone is trying to outdo Kevin Costner's crazy commander in Dances With Wolves.

They are indeed going all in on the batshittery.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/politics/arizona-gop-censure-mccain-flake-ducey/index.html

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The Arizona Republican Party sent a clear signal Saturday that its leadership remains loyal to former President Donald Trump when it voted to publicly punish Arizona Gov. Doug Ducey, former Sen. Jeff Flake and Cindy McCain, all of whom opposed Trump's efforts to overturn President Joe Biden's victory, or in the case of Flake and McCain, endorsed the Democrat before the election.

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The decision to censure those three Republicans -- in addition to re-electing controversial chairwoman Kelli Ward -- solidified the rightward shift of the official party, while also reflecting the deep fractures among Arizona Republicans over the future of the GOP, which suffered bruising defeats at the ballot box in 2020 in this increasingly purple state.

January 6 was the opening salvo in the little Republican Purity War that's starting up, and this is one of the first skirmishes (arguably the shenanigans in Georgia involving Trump trying to pressure the Republican leadership to fuck around and find out was the first).

 

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

4 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

1) gerrymander until you have the state house majority in as many states as possible 

2) use that majority to get the law on your side

 

suppress minority vote in bulk, like never before 

[Mdhorn 5,949]

7 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

And, lest we forget, Trump and the Boys have vowed to primary every Republican who didn't suck up to Cheeto.  And I fully anticipate that they will do this, because Trump and his sons seem to have a knack for holding grudges for years on end.  And they've got a substantial amount of donations to fuck around and toss at primary opponents.

Trump isn't going to spend capital to fight anything and whatever he raises goes into his own pocket offshore account. He'll say a bunch of dumb shit that will get a lot of free coverage/airplay or go on OAN, FOX, newest batshit cray channel.     

Edited January 24, 2021 by Mdhorn

[Mdhorn 5,949]

5 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Jesus the dems have both houses and the presidency and you are already conceding 2022 quit being a giant pussy

Biff is working from a historical perspective. 

[Planet Houston 4,930]

14 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think it will remind those who voted last November, why they voted.

And Trump will not be on the ticket.

Hell, Trumpanzees couldn't stop Senate seats in Georgia and Arizona from flipping with Trump at the top of the ticket, and couldn't stop either state from going for Biden.

And a shitload of Trumpanzees/Qanon fanatics are going to be angry/depressed, both that he's not on the ticket, but also pissed at him for letting them down/being a failure.

There's already Republicans in Georgia who are looking to punish the GOP leadership, including the Governor, either by voting against them, or not voting at all.

Now spread that across the US.

Oh, and more will have died from COVID, heart disease, old age and tasing their own nutsucks during a failed insurrection. They’ll also have to deal with Trump’s Patriot Party.  

Redistricting and further gerrymandering prior to 2022 is gonna be a problem. But their power and their base has taken a massive hit. The one thing we can be grateful for Trump is that he turned on the lights and now all the cockroaches are scurrying. 

[Hagbard Celine 10,864]

On 1/21/2021 at 7:27 PM, conVINCEd said:

I did not have Baseball HOF voters looking to rescind their votes because of an attempted coup on my bingo card.

pete rose has entered the chat

[Guest Lobo]

Pete's insurrection stopped the clubhouse.  Give Chuck Hustle a break.  

I'm sure some DT baseball fans will boycott MLB next year because some writers were enamored with the Capitol assault and Schilling's assault on it.  

I know the Nats are wanting to do a tribute to those Capitol Police officers wounded, killed, or performed heroically during the siege.  So cue the fucking idiots.

[Hagbard Celine 10,864]

22 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

Ladies and gentlemen, I'll be brief. The issue here is not whether we broke a few rules, or took a few liberties with our female elected officials - we did. [winks at Speaker Pelosi] But you can't hold a whole Trump party responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole 2-party system ? And if the whole 2-party system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our political institutions in general? I put it to you, Chuck - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but I for one am not going to stand here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

mccarthy's "everyone is to blame" is the event-horizon moment for the krakens.  take an otter defense, cover it in a shell game, and you get a chewbacca attack.

[Hagbard Celine 10,864]

On 1/19/2021 at 10:09 AM, Ghost of LL said:

With these low-education, low-information, low-propensity voters, I don't think you can underestimate the degree to which celebrity and outlandishness played a role in their devotion to Trump and their willingness to turn out to vote for him.  Who do they find that drives those votes without Trump?

Josh Hawley can blow all of the dog whistles.  But for how many seasons was he on The Apprentice?

Ted Cruz is obviously smarter than Trump.  But does he talk just like how we talk?

Tom Cotton can talk "America First."  But will he make the libs cry?

Serious question as you ponder 2024--how in the fuck are any of these guys going to generate the air time that Donald Trump created in 2016?  Nobody is going to tune in to a Ted Cruz speech thinking "I just want to see what he does next."  Nobody is going to go to a Josh Hawley rally because he's a celebrity.

And the worst part for Republicans is: they don't have the first clue how to turn out these people without Trump.  If they did, they'd have done it by now.  But they don't.  They're not people who are going to answer their phones or their doors to canvassers.  They're completely immune to any on-the-ground GOTV efforts.  The only person they listen to is Trump.  And even then--the only listen to Trump insofar as Trump tells them to vote for Trump.

I'm afraid that the real future of the Republican Party isn't as a political party.  It has no future as a political party, because it can't win elections.  I'm afraid that its real future is as a domestic insurgency movement.

with 3 weeks of hindsight, i think this is the best summary of where we are at.

[NorthTexasCougar 54]

9 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

 

what the hell kinda gun is number 20?

 

heavy duty staple gun?

[89Horn 1,514]

18 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

1) gerrymander until you have the state house majority in as many states as possible 

2) use that majority to get the law on your side

3) use the law to get the statewide election results on your side (only required if you can’t circumvent the law in order to circumvent the election)

4) profit

5) goto 1

collecting the underpants of prostitutes and secret gay lovers is somewhere in there too. 

So, what's done in Texas?

[atomheartbevo 89,668]

17 minutes ago, 89Horn said:

So, what's done in Texas?

Convince Hispanics to start having large numbers of abortions, and get everybody from the West Coast to move back?

Texas became a minority-majority state a lot sooner than originally anticipated - 5-10 years sooner, and there's been a massive influx of West Coasters.

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

44 minutes ago, 89Horn said:

So, what's done in Texas?

 

purge voter rolls in the valley

limit voting locations in the metro areas

limit hours on those locations

 

[89Horn 1,514]

Just now, tx 3 putt said:

 

purge voter rolls in the valley

limit voting locations in the metro areas

limit hours on those locations

 

26 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Texas became a minority-majority state a lot sooner than originally anticipated - 5-10 years sooner, and there's been a massive influx of West Coasters.

I thought the same thing too, but then Trump still won in 2020 by 630,000 votes.  Did you all see how Trump did with hispanics in the Valley?  He actually won Zapata county.  He got 41% of the vote in Hidalgo county and 43% in Cameron county.  Those are massive swings from 2016 and before in counties that are at or less than 10% white.  Maybe the state does really turn purple at some point, but Dems need to avoid the thinking that hispanics will reliably be 80% on the blue side.

I tend to agree with the influx of west coast transplants affecting the Texas electorate going forward, but I also think that may be an over generalization.   Californians in particular are not coming to Texas just to escape harsh economic conditions but some are also coming to get away from what they perceive as left leaning politics. 

[tx 3 putt 76,958]

trump having one good election the valley does not = texas R's having their support the next election 

[atomheartbevo 89,668]

1 minute ago, 89Horn said:

I thought the same thing too, but then Trump still won in 2020 by 630,000 votes.  Did you all see how Trump did with hispanics in the Valley?  He actually won Zapata county.  He got 41% of the vote in Hidalgo county and 43% in Cameron county.  Those are massive swings from 2016 and before in counties that are at or less than 10% white.  Maybe the state does really turn purple at some point, but Dems need to avoid the thinking that hispanics will reliably be 80% on the blue side.

I tend to agree with the influx of west coast transplants affecting the Texas electorate going forward, but I also think that may be an over generalization.   Californians in particular are not coming to Texas just to escape harsh economic conditions but some are also coming to get away from what they perceive as left leaning politics. 

It's inevitable.  Look at places like Williamson County. 

Eventually the younger folks will reach voting age, and/or more young people get engaged (witness Beto and the others who have gotten younger folks out).  Texas just needs a competent Democratic leadership, and they need somebody who motivates the young.

 

[Biff Tannen 45,685]

11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

trump having one good election the valley does not = texas R's having their support the next election 

I fucking hope not, but this is still concerning.

[89Horn 1,514]

10 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

trump having one good election the valley does not = texas R's having their support the next election 

See, this is the type of thinking the Democrats have exhibited for a number of years and it's worrying.  It's oversimplification and short-sighted.  A bad showing in one election just had to be an anomaly.  It's not just one election.  2018 mid-term elections - Abbott got 44% of the vote in Cameron county and even Cruz got 37%.  That should not happen and taking that Hispanic vote in the valley in particular for granted is dangerous. 

Full disclosure, I'm a south Texas Hispanic that typically votes Democratic.  I know many hispanic males in south Texas that are and have been for a while fervently red supporting voters, and it is mind boggling.  All I'm saying is that it is very short-sighted to just generally assume valley hispanics in particular are shoe in to vote Democratic.

[Beau Vine 54,230]

17 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

They are indeed going all in on the batshittery.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/23/politics/arizona-gop-censure-mccain-flake-ducey/index.html

January 6 was the opening salvo in the little Republican Purity War that's starting up, and this is one of the first skirmishes (arguably the shenanigans in Georgia involving Trump trying to pressure the Republican leadership to fuck around and find out was the first).

 

I know some Arizona Dems who are absolutely thrilled with what Kelli Ward is doing with/to the AZ GOP.

[StassneyHorn 6,575]

The Valley can be weird. It’s represented by a few conservative dems at various levels but they didn’t turn out at all for Biden. That was not an Election Day surprise, that info was always out there for underperforming Hilldawg in the run up. However, the utes in the region love Bernie, and almost put Jessica Cisneros over the finish line in her primary against Cuellar and Lucio went to a runoff in the state senate. Those are two heavy hitters in the area. Young vs old divide seems pretty big on social issues, but the poster above (89) has better insight.

The Hispanic guys I know from the Valley (I’ll even include Corpus) are a hell of a lot more country (hunt and fish) than any Cavender’s catalog cowboy from a Houston/Dallas suburb I ever met in college.
 

 

[Upgrayedd 5,812]

2 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

I know some Arizona Dems who are absolutely thrilled with what Kelli Ward is doing with/to the AZ GOP.

 

[Biff Tannen 45,685]

13 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

The Hispanic guys I know from the Valley (I’ll even include Corpus) are a hell of a lot more country (hunt and fish) than any Cavender’s catalog cowboy from a Houston/Dallas suburb I ever met in college

Two of my best friends from college are Hispanic guys from Brownsville and Corpus (since you included it) and both are hardcore liberals. They both went to UT though. I don’t know. I can’t figure out the Valley. 

[Bookman 4,639]

A lot of Hispanics in the Valley seemed to really love Donald Trump. Will they come out for other Republicans?

[Pato del Muerto 52,498]

Fair to say the driving reasons for higher than average R performance with valley Hispanics is a combination of abortion issue and immigration (our family did it the right way, everyone should have to)?

i know there was talk about them relating to the Trump machismo but that doesn’t extend to Abbott or Cruz, though Cruz’ last name is Cruz. 

Edited January 24, 2021 by Pato del Muerto

[StassneyHorn 6,575]

I got curious about the numbers in Zapata and looked at the SoS site. I think the bigger takeaway is what the hell is it going to take to motivate people in Zapata County to vote. 46% rate, the delta was a little over 200 votes.

I wouldnt waste time lining consultants pockets to figure out its changing attitudes, presence of border patrol jobs that pay 50k to high school grads who speak Spanish, or that 15% of the workforce is in O&G and how Bidens comments on fracking contributed to it. 2000 Hispanic teens in metro areas who lean D are coming of voting age every day that cancels it out (that is not math, that is Shiner yellow bellies talking).