The US Capitol has been Breached [Action and Developing stories]

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

32 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Hopefully Inauguration Day has clearly delineated lines including a shoot to kill zone. I don't actually want a whole bunch of dead Americans but most of these "warriors" will run away crying if they see a few people shot and killed even faster than if they just find out they're on the no-fly list.

[burntorangebongos 10,809]

SIAP. This historian observer has very interesting observation of what was scene that day as he was there with his wife. read the tweet sting if you get the chance.

 

Edited January 11, 2021 by burntorangebongos

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Some of ya'll motherfuckers need to focus.

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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Pretty good deal on texas gun trader for a decked out one of these today.

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3 hours ago, Huckleberry said:

Ties in with this and Hugo's post above it. If the Democrats don't press this moment to rid the nation of this cancer then they will share responsibility next time. 

how do we rid ourselves of 75m people? 

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Just now, Hagbard Celine said:

how do we rid ourselves of 75m people? 

Trump's been working on it for almost a year...probably gonna fall short but hey the guy tried.

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2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

how do we rid ourselves of 75m people? 

He got 74.2mil votes. I know it's pedantic but fuck everything he says.

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1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

HAHAHA

SIAP

 

 

Undefeated

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1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

how do we rid ourselves of 75m people? 

It's not 75M. It's about 60M who follow the R and 15M who follow the Q. The 60M will continue being the same single issue vote against their own interests conservatives they have been for the past 40 years. The 15M are divided into a majority of low intelligence sheep and a handful of truly dangerous manipulators. It's a manageable problem.

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1 hour ago, immamac said:

You guys should check out Bull Moose Progressive Party platform. I have found a lot of "moderates" actually don't realize they are quite progressive (for the time being) because being a moderate over a period of 20 years when nothing has happened from a legislative perspective apparently turns you into a short term progressive.

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Platform

The Progressive Bull Moose Party Platform

This is a draft of the Progressive Bull Moose Party Principles and Platform. If we can achieve even one third of these ideas it will go a long sea mile toward giving power back to the American people. If anything on here stands out to you as being particularly important or something you disagree with, please say so. This is a work in progress, please join the conversation and help us flesh this out.

 

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Stage 1 Priorities: Fix the System. Save the Planet—

 

Election Reform

1. Abolish corporate personhood.
2. End partisan gerrymandering.
   1. We support the Open Our Democracy Act which “requires that states establish independent commissions for congressional redistricting; makes Election Day a holiday; and institutes open top-two primaries for House and Senate elections, allowing all voters, including registered Independents and unaffiliated voters to participate in primaries.”
3. Repeal Citizens United and the McCutcheon rulings.
4. Kill super PACs and end big money in politics.
5. Reform campaign finance laws.
6. Allow open primaries (like in California).
7. Create a “None of the Above” option in all federal elections.

 

Wall Street and Corporate Reform

1. End “Too Big to Fail”—bust ‘em apart. Resurrect Glass-Steagall.
2. Eliminate corporate welfare—including tax breaks, subsidies & loopholes.
3. Tame rampant income inequality—including establishing equal pay for women, a living wage & increased taxes on the billionaires & 0.01%.
4. Strengthen Social Security (remove the ceiling).
5. Cap the size of corporations. End hostile, unproductive takeovers & leveraged buyouts; stop mergers that undermine competition.
6. Establish measures to bring much greater transparecy to the Federal Reserve, including annual or biennial independent audits (the Fed needs to remain independent of partisan politics, but the American people, ultimately, have a right to know everything that happens).
7. Re-write the STOCK Act to strengthen the ban on Members of Congress from trading on insider information, eliminating their "abnormally higher returns," and the harm this causes the American people.
8. Guiding Ideas:
   1. "The man of great wealth owes a peculiar obligation to the state because he derives special advantages from the mere existence of government." —Theodore Roosevelt,
   2. "The test of our progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much; it is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." —Franklin D. Roosevelt,
   3. "We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we cannot have both." —Louis D. Brandeis, U.S. Supreme Court Justice (1916-1939)
   4. "An imbalance between rich and poor is the oldest and most fatal ailment of all republics." —Plutarch, Ancient Greek Historian (c. 46-120 A.D.)

 

Smaller, More Responsive Government

1. Establish term limits—including lobbyists, congressional staffers, agency “lifers,” and the Supreme Court (18 years), with a rotating Chief Justice (every 6 years).
2. Establish merit-based selection of U.S. Supreme Court justices, with two-thirds supermajority confirmation in the U.S. Senate.
3. Rein in government spending. Balance the budget. Payoff the debt.
4. Rein in corporate lobbying, including a 3-year “cooling off” period, increased transparency and monitoring, and stronger sanctions (fines and imprisonment) for violations.
5. Halt domestic spying without a warrant. Abolish secret courts.
6. Establish a national referendum over extended military action (“The War Powers Act of 1973 gives the president the power to wage war for 60 days before an authorization from Congress is needed.”)

 

Environmental Reform

1. Invest in clean, renewable energy.
2. Move the country away from fossil fuels, while working with corporations to transition workers to new jobs.
3. Demand clean water and clean air.
4. Protect our oceans, rivers, and lakes from pollution, toxic dumping, and over-fishing.
5. Continue to reduce carbon emissions.
6. Repeal immediately the "Monsanto Protection Act," and the DARK Act (Deny Americans Right to Know Act).

 

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Stage 2 Priorities: Implement the Progressive Agenda—

 

Women’s Rights

1. Eliminate the gender pay gap.
2. Provide 90 days of paid family leave.
3. Protect women’s health education
4. Require the boards of all public companies to have at least 40% women (and at least 40% men too).

 

Immigration Reform

1. First and foremost, take immediate, reasonable steps to strengthen our borders, protect border communities, and bring an end to illegal immigration.
2. Establish a just, humane path to citizenship that allows immigrant families to stay together, pay taxes, and contribute to the betterment of the United States. As Ronald Reagan said in his 1984 election, “I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and who have lived here even though sometime back they may have entered illegally.”
3. Enforce the laws against employers that are illegally hiring illegal immigrants.
4. Partner with our Latin American neighbors and allies around the world to reduce the extreme income inequality that drives migration.

 

Student Loan Reform

1. End the federal government’s profiteering off student loan programs.
2. Curb excessive student loan interest rates.
3. Make public colleges and universities tuition free.

 

Health Care

1. Establish a free healthcare system for all U.S. citizens, one that is equivalent to the healthcare available to members of the U.S. Congress.
2. Eliminate the health insurance industry (We currently spend one-third of all healthcare dollars on billing and bureaucracy. This doesn’t even include the profits that go to insurance companies. This makes no sense. We propose to eliminate the health insurance industry and replace it with a single payer system.).
3. Require the government to negotiate lower prices for healthcare costs and prescription drugs.

 

Gun Laws

1. We fully support the U.S. Constitution, including the Second Amendment.
2. We do not support the increasing militarization of the police.
3. We believe in reasonable backgroud checks for all gun buyers (but we do not suppport a “national gun registry” or unlawful government surveillance of gun buyers)
4. Guiding Ideas:
   1. "The great body of our citizens shoot less as times goes on. We should encourage rifle practice among schoolboys, and indeed among all classes, as well as in the military services by every means in our power. Thus, and not otherwise, may we be able to assist in preserving peace in the world… The first step – in the direction of preparation to avert war if possible, and to be fit for war if it should come – is to teach men to shoot!" —Theodore Roosevelt
   2. "To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace.” —George Washington
   3. "By calling attention to ‘a well regulated militia,’ ‘the security of the nation,’ and the right of each citizen ‘to keep and bear arms,’ our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy… The Second Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will always be important." —John F. Kennedy
   4. "One loves to possess arms, though they hope never to have occasion for them." —Thomas Jefferson
   5. "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms… disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes… Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." —Thomas Jefferson
   6. "You won’t get gun control by disarming law-abiding citizens. There’s only one way to get real gun control: Disarm the thugs and the criminals, lock them up and if you don’t actually throw away the key, at least lose it for a long time… It’s a nasty truth, but those who seek to inflict harm are not fazed by gun controllers. I happen to know this from personal experience." —Ronald Reagan

 

Law Enforcement

1. End the war on drugs. Do not legalize drugs, but decriminalize personal possession. Treat drug use and abuse as a public health issue, not a crime.
2. Recalibrate the DEA to focus on harm reduction and treatment programs, while continuing to focus on drug cartels, and keeping drugs out of the hands of kids.
3. Legalize, regulate, and tax cannabis like alcohol.
4. Outlaw private prisons.
5. End mandatory minimums.
6. Abolish asset forfeiture.

 

 

thanks for posting this. This is all good stuff and all needed, as we all know for so long now. sigh. ain't gonna get that anytime soon. 

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3 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

how do we rid ourselves of 75m people? 

My best answer to this question is to acquire Greenland and use it like the Brits used Australia back in the day.

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20 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The idea that Carter was a worse president than GWB is Q-believer levels of stupid.

It’s the same crowd that thinks Reagan was a good president. At some point you stop believing the propaganda.

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10 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

how do we rid ourselves of 75m people? 

Tell them repeatedly that the pandemic of our generation is a hoax?

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58 minutes ago, immamac said:

this is the scariest video I think I've ever seen. I believe that many people are intending a violent uprising on the 20th and a 2nd inauguration of Trump 

Fucking this ... 

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2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

in the comments, that video is from november

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4 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

When you want to hurt somebody, you find out what they love, then you take it.

[Francisco 2.0 32,545]

4 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

in the comments, that video is from november

 

 

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42 minutes ago, Dark Horse said:

How many people did Nixon and Carter torture? Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. 
 

We don’t know precisely. But it’s a lot. We were involved in it all over the place during the Cold War. Just one example:
“The United States government provided planning, coordinating, training on torture,[15]technical support and supplied military aid to the Juntas during the Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, and the Reagan administrations.[2]Such support was frequently routed through the CIA.”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

Next time is going to be for real. All the social media attention horses and pretend patriots have fucked around and found out. Anyone showing up on Jan 20 is a true believer. These fuckers are going to get killed and they have no one to blame but themselves. The tragedy is that some law enforcement and military will sustain casualties as well. All of this blood will be on Trump’s and his enablers’ hands. 

Unfortunately, some LEOs and military will be part of the insurgency on the 20th. 

[WhatTheBuck 28,904]

2 hours ago, G650 said:

Its almost unanimously accepted as Buchanan, but you carry on man.

Lol. Yeah, right. Then why were you making a bet with your friend that Dubya wouldn’t always be considered the worst President of all time?

Unanimously accepted that Buchanan was the worst of all time? Give me a break. I’m not interested enough to hear you argue your case by comparing and contrasting the two. Dubya was Trump Lite in a lot of ways. It’s ironic that his greatest success as a Republican President was fighting AIDS in Africa (Google “PEPFAR”).. He sucked at pretty much everything else. Domestic policy, foreign policy, the economy. He was a disaster. He should’ve been jailed for war crimes. 

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2 minutes ago, Seasick Sailor said:

Unfortunately, some LEOs and military will be part of the insurgency on the 20th. 

And unfortunately it’s harder to play defense when you’re worried about friendly fire.

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4 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Have they bumped up the pussy charges yet? They still doing the unlawful entry horseshit. It needs to be sedition 

I’ve decided they are using these smaller charges now so that they won’t watch these fucks get pardoned by trump for major shit and bigger charges coming on the afternoon of the 20th. I hope I’m not wishful thinking here. Thanks 

[texas08 1,599]

That parler video will get a few idiots to die for dotard (similar to that terrorist that got shot in the neck for trying to break further in the Capitol).

Pence made an appearance on that video...these people are just all over the fucking place...make up your mind...is pence a traitor or not Q?

[formermav43 4,607]

12 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

Lol. Yeah, right. Then why were you making a bet with your friend that Dubya wouldn’t always be considered the worst President of all time?

Unanimously accepted that Buchanan was the worst of all time? Give me a break. 

He was just referring to the consensus of historians. He’s not wrong. Buchanan is either 1 or 2 in all of these (and thus worst overall):

”In compiling its 10 Worst Presidents rankings, U.S. News averaged presidents' scores from three separate metrics: C-SPAN's 2017 Presidential Historians Survey, Siena College's Presidential Expert Poll and the Presidential Greatness Rankings conducted by professors at the University of Houston and Boise State University.

Those narrowly missing the cut were Presidents Zachary Taylor and George W. Bush, who tied for 11th-worst among the nation's 44 commanders in chief. President Richard Nixon, who had previously ranked among America's 10 worst presidents in previous iterations of the U.S. News rankings, was remembered more fondly by recent presidential surveys. He ranked 15th-worst, just ahead of Martin Van Buren and Calvin Coolidge.

Ulysses S. Grant made the biggest jump since 2014, when U.S. News last updated its Worst Presidents methodology. Grant was considered the seventh-worst president in U.S. history just a few years ago. He's now considered historically average, ranking 22nd-best out of the 43 presidents that were considered.

U.S. News opted not to include President Donald Trump, who has yet to finish his first term. But he was deemed to be the worst president on the Presidential Greatness Rankings and third-worst in Siena's Presidential Expert Poll.“

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/special-reports/the-worst-presidents/articles/ranking-americas-worst-presidents%3fcontext=amp

Edited January 11, 2021 by formermav43

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

32 minutes ago, Llogg said:

It's not 75M. It's about 60M who follow the R and 15M who follow the Q. The 60M will continue being the same single issue vote against their own interests conservatives they have been for the past 40 years. The 15M are divided into a majority of low intelligence sheep and a handful of truly dangerous manipulators. It's a manageable problem.

Yeah, I'm not sure about your numbers, but seem reasonable.  More to the point, I'm not sure there's much of anyone that can galvanize the Q-types quite the way Trump did.  They can echo his rhetoric all they want, but he's a very peculiar and "specialized" individual.  I am virtually certain that none of Cruz, Cotton, or Hawley could do it.

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So true 

 

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/stop-the-steal-organizer-in-hiding-after-denying-blame-for-riot?ref=home

 

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Two weeks before thousands of Trump rioters breached Congress, “Stop the Steal” organizer Ali Alexander said his group wasn’t violent—“yet.”

“One of our organizers in one state said, ‘We’re nice patriots, we don’t throw bricks,’” Alexander told a crowd at a Dec. 19 rally at Arizona’s state capitol. “I leaned over and I said, ‘Not yet. Not yet!’ Haven’t you read about a little tar-and-feathering? Those were second-degree burns!”

Alexander, who has described himself as one of the “official originators” of the Jan. 6 rally in Washington, went on to use “yet” as a code word for violence. Then Alexander told the Phoenix crowd about his plans for Washington.

 

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“We’re going to convince them to not certify the vote on January 6 by marching hundreds of thousands, if not millions of patriots, to sit their butts in D.C. and close that city down, right?” Alexander said. “And if we have to explore options after that…‘yet.’ Yet!”

Alexander’s supporters cheered, yelling threats like “noose!” and “nothing’s off the table!”

Alexander led a host of activists in ratcheting up the rhetoric ahead of Congress’ certification of the electoral votes, threatening to “1776” opponents of Trump’s re-election. Now that five people, including a Capitol Police officer, are dead, however, Alexander has gone into hiding, and the website promoting his Jan. 6 rally has been wiped from the internet.

 

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Alexander is defiant, saying he won’t “take an iota of blame that does not belong to me.”

“I didn’t incite anything,” Alexander said in a video posted Friday to Twitter. “I didn’t do anything.”

Ali Alexander says he won’t take “one iota of blame” for what happened at the Capitol.

In reality, even as Alexander claimed his supporters were peaceful, he repeatedly raised the prospect of using violence in the weeks ahead of Jan. 6.

On Sunday night, Twitter banned Alexander’s personal account and an account for “Stop The Steal.” Alexander didn’t respond to a request for comment.

 

 

 

Spoiler

Alexander is a convicted felon, after pleading guilty to felony property theft in 2007 and felony credit card abuse in 2008. Alexander first appeared in conservative politics in the Tea Party era under the name “Ali Akbar,” organizing a group called the National Bloggers’ Club that was tied to “shady data collection operations.”

In the Trump era, now using a new name, Alexander emerged as an idiosyncratic, trash-talking MAGA die-hard affiliated with figures like InfoWars conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, anti-Muslim Trump booster Laura Loomer, blundering provocateur Jacob Wohl, and Trump ally Roger Stone.

Before Trump’s 2020 election defeat, Alexander was perhaps best known for Donald Trump Jr. retweeting his groundless claim that Vice President-elect Kamala Harris is not an “American Black.” He was invited to the White House for Trump’s “Social Media Summit” with various right-wing internet figures, and began frequently wearing orange clothes, claiming God had given him a message that the color had special significance for 2020.

“God gave me the color orange in December 2019,” Alexander tweeted on Election Day. “He told me ‘orange would be the color of 2020.’ I've come to learn it means GOD'S POWER.”

After Trump’s election defeat, Alexander positioned himself as one of the leading Trump re-election dead-enders with his “Stop the Steal” group, which quickly became a clearinghouse for pro-Trump personalities rallying outside of state capitols in contested battleground states.

Alexander also started to promote mega-rallies protesting the election results in Washington in November and December, even clashing with rival organizers over who deserved credit for the events. And he began organizing a protest outside the Capitol for Jan. 6, dubbing it the “Wild Protest” after a Trump tweet promising the protests during the electoral vote count “will be wild.”

For Jan. 6, Alexander claimed in a video, he had some organizing assistance from pro-Trump Reps. Paul Gosar (R-AZ), Andy Biggs (R-AZ), and Mo Brooks (R-AL).

"We four schemed up putting maximum pressure on Congress while they were voting,” Alexander said in a video posted before the Jan. 6 protest.

Gosar and Brooks didn’t respond to requests for comment. A spokesman for Biggs disputed Alexander’s story, claiming Biggs isn’t “aware of hearing of or meeting Mr. Alexander at any point” and had no “contact with protestors or rioters.”

Alexander’s voice grew more menacing in the lead-up to the Jan. 6 rally. He tweeted that he would “give my life for this fight,” a call that was promoted by the Arizona Republican Party.

Alexander also began tweeting frequently about “1776,” a reference to the start of the American Revolution. Alexander wrote in one post that the choice was “45”—Trump’s re-election—“or 1776.” In another message, he wrote that “1776 is always an option for free men and women.”

Most pointedly, Alexander responded to a tweet from QAnon-supporter Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) claiming that top congressional leaders were working to block objections to the electoral vote. If that happened, Alexander said, he and hundreds of thousands of other protesters would “1776” the Capitol.

“If they do this, everyone can guess what me and 500,000 others will do to that building,” Alexander tweeted on Dec. 30. “1776 is *always* an option”

Alexander’s anger wasn’t limited to Congress. After four people were stabbed after a December MAGA protest outside the Hotel Harrington, a downtown Washington hotel popular with Proud Boys, the hotel announced that it would be closed for several days around the Jan. 6 protest.

A furious Alexander posted a video filled with threats to the hotel, urging his fans to “be extremely high IQ as God enacts his vengeance.” Alexander compared his supporters to the snake in the “Don’t Tread on Me” Gadsden flag, saying they had been “tread on” and noting that “the vipers bite.”

“May not one patriot get caught on camera doing anything bad,” Alexander said.

At the Dec. 19 Arizona rally, Alexander kept up his threat that his movement could become violent. He said he wouldn’t describe Democrats as burglars in Republicans’ homes, implying that would mean they’d be shot—a metaphor he said wasn’t necessary “yet.”

“Let them hear that,” Alexander said. “‘Yet.’”

The night before the Jan. 6 rally, Alexander riled up Trump supporters in Washington with a “victory or death” chant and once again brought up “1776.”

“1776 is always an option,” Alexander told the crowd. “These degenerates in the deep state are going to give us what we want, or we are going to shut this country down.”

Alexander’s “Wild Protest” rally was scheduled to take place on the northeast corner of the Capitol’s lawn, with a website claiming that Greene, Gosar, and Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-CO) would all speak at the event. Before the rally, Alexander attended Trump’s speech on the White House Ellipse, posting a picture from the front row.

“Nice seats,” Alexander tweeted. “Thank you @realdonaldtrump!”

Alex Jones claims that he and Alexander had some “deal” with the White House about their protest outside of Congress.

“We had a legitimate deal with the White House,” Jones said in an InfoWars show filmed after the riot with Alexander. “‘Hey Jones and Ali,’ literally, they let us out early, we were supposed to lead a peaceful deal.”

Video posted by InfoWars in an apparent attempt to distance Jones from the riots shows Jones and Alexander on the west side of the Capitol as tear-gas canisters went off in the distance and Trump supporters mounted MAGA flags on the inauguration risers. Jones unsuccessfully tried to convince rioters to move to the east side of the Capitol and attend their rally on the other side of the building instead.

“As much as I love seeing the Trump flags flying over this, we need to not have the confrontation with the police, they’re going to make that the story,” Jones said.

But Alexander refused to disavow the riot.

“I don’t disavow this,” Alexander said in a video filmed overlooking the Capitol. “I do not denounce this. This is completely peaceful, looks like, so far.”

Now Alexander claims to be in hiding, alleging in a video posted Friday that he needs $2,000 a day to fund his security detail and other expenses and hitting his fans up for donations. In a bizarre moment in his fundraising pitch, Alexander claimed that he was being targeted by the supernatural: “Witches and wiccans are putting hexes and curses on us.”

It’s not clear how, however, if Alexander’s supporters can send him money at all. On Saturday, he posted on Parler that he had been banned from Venmo and PayPal.

In his Friday video, Alexander claimed that his “rally never turned violent.” But Alexander also read a quote from talk radio host Rush Limbaugh that positively compared the rioters to the heroes of the American Revolution, and said rioters who entered the Capitol should suffer light consequences, if any.

“I think people should be rowdy, I think people should be messy,” Alexander said. “I do believe that we own that U.S. Capitol. So I’m not apologizing for nothing.”

 

 

[Gardner Barnes 1,574]

I swore today that I would quit laughing at these fucksticks.
That's the stupidest goddam thing I have ever seen.  Well actually not the stupidest, but vying for first place with some similar shit from a few weeks ago and from texags.

How are these fucking dipshits going rationalize it when 1/20 comes and goes and Biden is president?

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

8 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

I’ve decided they are using these smaller charges now so that they won’t watch these fucks get pardoned by trump for major shit and bigger charges coming on the afternoon of the 20th. I hope I’m not wishful thinking here. Thanks 

A pardon isn't going to work that way, it's going to pardon all offenses against the United States committed before X date.

But the "prime crime," seditious conspiracy, requires proof of a conspiracy or agreement, which is going to take a bit of development of evidence.  They can't charge it without having a pretty good handle on that evidence.

They can't just say "well, of course they agreed to do it with someone somewhere, maybe that dude standing next to him."

[BearSchlong 8,234]

Gawd I would love to see the reaction if he pardons them all. Vigilante stuff to follow.

[wildcat09 29,563]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, I'm not sure about your numbers, but seem reasonable.  More to the point, I'm not sure there's much of anyone that can galvanize the Q-types quite the way Trump did.  They can echo his rhetoric all they want, but he's a very peculiar and "specialized" individual.  I am virtually certain that none of Cruz, Cotton, or Hawley could do it.

The Q types are essentially a self sustaining machine now. "Q" hasn't made a post since I believe December 8th. Trump basically said "come to DC for a rally on the 6th!" and went back to livetweeting Fox and Friends. They organized this shit and everything else they've been doing themselves. They're radicalizing themselves. They don't need one central unifying figure anymore, they just cycle through new people to fill that role every few weeks and then when a particular person isn't doing it for them anymore they discard that person and pick someone new. 

[InkaUtexas 26,808]

20 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

No Fly List. = Labeled as a Terrorist. Fuck yeah. 

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4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

A pardon isn't going to work that way, it's going to pardon all offenses against the United States committed before X date.

But the "prime crime," seditious conspiracy, requires proof of a conspiracy or agreement, which is going to take a bit of development of evidence.  They can't charge it without having a pretty good handle on that evidence.

They can't just say "well, of course they agreed to do it with someone somewhere, maybe that dude standing next to him."

Are sedition and seditious conspiracy separate crimes?  Because I believe they have enough currently to charge everyone of them with sedition.

[Beau Vine 55,836]

First reply:

 

[WhatTheBuck 28,904]

1 hour ago, SizzleChest said:

Stahl went in dry on Pelosi too, but Pelosi didn't run away like a little bitch.

She went with the angle that the Democrats were being obstructionist for not just giving in to all of the Republican demands. That’s not compromise, that’s capitulation. For years the Republican notion of compromise has been, ‘You give us everything we want and we give you nothing you want otherwise we’ll accuse of refusing to compromise.’ That’s bullshit. In the recent round of negotiations on stimulus checks, the Republicans wanted to spend $1 Trillion, the Democrats wanted to spend $3 Trillion, so it seemed like $2 Trillion would be a good compromise. The bill that eventually passed allocated $980 Billion. Fuck anyone who says it’s the Democrats who aren’t willing to compromise. It’s the GOP who are the rigid, inflexible ideologues incapable of giving an inch. They’re the problem. They’re the ones responsible for the partisan divide. 

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1 hour ago, Sawbonz said:

Next time is going to be for real. All the social media attention horses and pretend patriots have fucked around and found out. Anyone showing up on Jan 20 is a true believer. These fuckers are going to get killed and they have no one to blame but themselves. The tragedy is that some law enforcement and military will sustain casualties as well. All of this blood will be on Trump’s and his enablers’ hands. 

the krakens do not have military-grade ordinance

it's time to use the good stuff

 

[SizzleChest 8,302]

 

[Hagbard Celine 11,162]

1 hour ago, Llogg said:

It's not 75M. It's about 60M who follow the R and 15M who follow the Q. The 60M will continue being the same single issue vote against their own interests conservatives they have been for the past 40 years. The 15M are divided into a majority of low intelligence sheep and a handful of truly dangerous manipulators. It's a manageable problem.

first i've ever seen the numbers broken down that way.  go on....

but remember, you only need 3.5% of the population....   which in the US right now is ~11.5m.... the number of luddite-proles is in the tens of millions.

https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2019/06/25/735536434/the-magic-number-behind-protests

[TexasEd 8,248]

35 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

The guy in the tan shirt in the bottom video.  I saw him in the Capitol.  He's the one with dark deep set eyes.  I saw him in several videos.

 

[Sawbonz 28,093]

32 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

 

 

I love how they let them board the plane and then make them do the walk of shame 

[Wax Beer Cup 382]

So does Fox and Friends let Cheeto call in tomorrow morning?  

[Francisco 2.0 32,545]

 

 

[Grandioso 2,592]

 

[dingleberryswitzer 2,724]

30 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Gawd I would love to see the reaction if he pardons them all. Vigilante stuff to follow.

The funniest fuckin thing is trump doesn't give a shit about them.  He won't pardon any of them.  Unless they are rich and can donate to his campaign/defense/fuck around fund, then he doesn't care about.  

[DigDug 1,735]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

That sounded like a black man, a gay man, and southern drawl liberal.  That’s like a left wing supergroup.

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

31 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The Q types are essentially a self sustaining machine now. "Q" hasn't made a post since I believe December 8th. Trump basically said "come to DC for a rally on the 6th!" and went back to livetweeting Fox and Friends. They organized this shit and everything else they've been doing themselves. They're radicalizing themselves. They don't need one central unifying figure anymore, they just cycle through new people to fill that role every few weeks and then when a particular person isn't doing it for them anymore they discard that person and pick someone new. 

Mmm maybe.  

As some of the articles and analyses have pointed out, and that we've always kind of known, Trump has a stupidity and psychosis that is necessary for him to lie as incessantly as he does, and to repeat and reinforce those lies in that pretty unique way that he does.

At some point, the Q types are going to need new fundamental ideas like "the election was rigged" and Trump may not have the platform to energize that.  They can self-stimulate or regenerate their lunacy, but they need some fundamental lies and a fundamental liar to center it around.

[Rimbo 26,859]

1 hour ago, Dark Horse said:

How many people did Nixon and Carter torture? Get the fuck out of here with this bullshit. 
 

 

Carter? Fewer.

Nixon? More. VASTLY more. Go learn about Cambodia, Laos, and Vietnam. Read about burning a village to save it. Agent orange n all that shit.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Rimbo