The US Capitol has been Breached [Action and Developing stories]

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If the coup had been successful, Pompeo would have been next in the line of succession.  This assumes the VP, Speaker, and Senate pro temp were taken out. All of who were in the building at the time.

That was exactly my concern and still is. People are watching Trump, but are missing that every drama has an understudy for the protagonist.

[Post Oak 20,551]

8 hours ago, LongestHorn said:

Crazy ass 1st Group Special Forces PSYOPS under investigation 

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/article/Army-investigating-officer-who-led-group-to-15860421.php

 

 

Apparently she resigned today

https://twitter.com/DavidBegnaud/status/1348619052139175936

 

[Doc Reeves 6,434]

2 hours ago, Bartles said:

Daniel Dale said the crying patriot in the airport video was mad about being forced to wear a mask, not being on the no-fly list. Said the original Tik Tok post was about a mask. Probably true because I don't think he'd be all the way to the gate and still walking around freely if he was on a no-fly list.

that might be bullshit...

*also, It seems a bit odd to call somebody who won’t pull the mask up from their chin to their nose a “terrorist”

Edited January 11, 2021 by Doc Reeves

[Chad Fuck 18,096]

11 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I'd honestly take my chances with Barry Zuckerkorn or Bob Loblaw than Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and Rudy Giuliani

At least with Barry, you have a chance at getting the right Four Seasons.  

But as somebody pointed out when I pondered on another thread how is it that a guy who has worked in New York real estate for 50 years and is now President of the United States has the absolutely much comically incompetent crew of personal and campaign attorneys?  I guess you get what you pay for, and he doesn't pay his legal bills, and as such is stuck with this rag-tag crew of unethical, soon-to-be-disbarred morons.  It's like they're trying to find new and interesting ways to fuck up.  

 

I imagine most conversations in this genre go as follows:  "Well Donnie my boy, I'm so flattered that you considered me.  Wow, to be even considered as an attorney for President.  Such an honor.  But you know that impeachment, sedition and the like are so far outside my core competency that I'd feel I was just doing you a disservice by signing on. It might even be a breach of my ethical duties to let you retain me.  You may want to consider calling [insert list of attorney known to be incompetent assholes here] about this.  I'm sure any one of them would love to consider it.  Best of luck keeping yourself from hanging at the end of a rope."  <hangs up phone> "You traitorous piece of shit."  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

2 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Report on Fox News just now saying the FBI and NYPD both warned capitol police about the intel on violence coming from the protests.  Its going to be interesting to see where the buck stops on this.  

I mean, this is 100% Trump’s conspiracy.  The buck has to stop with him. 

[Chad Fuck 18,096]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I mean, this is 100% Trump’s conspiracy.  The buck has to stop with him. 

This.  He literally stood in front of the WH, riled up a crowd and sent them to the Capitol.  But for him, none of this happens.  

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

20 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I'd honestly take my chances with Barry Zuckerkorn or Bob Loblaw than Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, and Rudy Giuliani

At least with Barry, you have a chance at getting the right Four Seasons.  

But as somebody pointed out when I pondered on another thread how is it that a guy who has worked in New York real estate for 50 years and is now President of the United States has the absolutely much comically incompetent crew of personal and campaign attorneys?  I guess you get what you pay for, and he doesn't pay his legal bills, and as such is stuck with this rag-tag crew of unethical, soon-to-be-disbarred morons.  It's like they're trying to find new and interesting ways to fuck up.  

 

It's probably hard enough to find business attorneys to represent him on business stuff.  One of them, Kasowitz, is probably a bigger asshole than he is and they have some kind of mutually assured destruction pact that insures that Kasowitz gets paid and Trump gets represented.

There's really only a handful of top election/political lawyers in the country.  They wouldn't touch this shit with a 10 foot pole because it has no basis in fact or law.  So he was stuck with dumbshits angling for some kind of publicity or notoriety or just too plain stupid and blinded not to put their professional reputation on the line.

[TXSG8R 3,362]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I mean, this is 100% Trump’s conspiracy.  The buck has to stop with him. 

Yes, but like all good mob bosses, I'm sure there wont be a record of him ordering the capitol police to take the day off, not have riot gear, gas, rubber bullets, etc.  Whoever made that decision formally is someone that is going to take a very big fall.  Hope the wink and nod from Trump before hand was worth it, because whoever it is will join the pile of believer's bodies Trump leaves in his wake.

[Jiggy-Z 3,507]

11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

If the coup had been successful, Pompeo would have been next in the line of succession.  This assumes the VP, Speaker, and Senate pro temp were taken out. All of who were in the building at the time.

In the "just asking questions" realm of things:

From what we have seen of the capital invaders thus far, how might these executions have gone down?

I have seen pointy flags, zip ties, various sprays, and some other club like weapons.  Additionally, I have heard some reports of  long guns and concealed weapons.

So what weapons do we actually know these guys had or have reasonable suspicion of them having?

I mean we don't actually think they were going to be hung on the grounds, trampled to death, or beaten to death.  Additionally we don't have any reports of Capital police being disarmed  and their firearms being used for intimidation or other purposes.

I want to be as correct as possible when having to explain this, so I need a little clarification on the means and the actual armament.  Thanks.

[Hagbard Celine 11,162]

58 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Medal of Freedom regains its meaning, he is first in line. If he wants the job, put him in charge of the Capitol Police.

he has earned a 10-year posting to a private embassy subcontractor in Canberra or Mauritius.

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

Yes, but like all good mob bosses, I'm sure there wont be a record of him ordering the capitol police to take the day off, not have riot gear, gas, rubber bullets, etc.  Whoever made that decision formally is someone that is going to take a very big fall.  Hope the wink and nod from Trump before hand was worth it, because whoever it is will join the pile of believer's bodies Trump leaves in his wake.

The article about Sund says it was Senate security and the Sergeant at Arms that initially rebuffed his cries for help.

So it appears that entity may have been compromised through McConnell or some other Senators or committee.

[BrickHorn 18,426]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I mean, this is 100% Trump’s conspiracy.  The buck has to stop with him. 

Yeah, why are we still debating this? How has anyone not learned their lesson about giving Trump the benefit of the doubt? 

Trump put out tweets explicitly calling for his loser followers to swarm DC on January 6. He gave a fascist call-to-arms speech whipping the mob he summoned into a frenzy and imploring them to storm the Capitol. When they did what he asked them to do, he and his toadies refused requests for military protection of Congress and Trump called congressmen to extort them while their lives were in danger. 

And y’all are sitting here wondering if we’ll ever get to the bottom of the impenetrable mystery of The Crazy Capitol Caper. Good lord.

[Foosters 18,232]

1 minute ago, Jiggy-Z said:

In the "just asking questions" realm of things:

From what we have seen of the capital invaders thus far, how might these executions have gone down?

I have seen pointy flags, zip ties, various sprays, and some other club like weapons.  Additionally, I have heard some reports of  long guns and concealed weapons.

So what weapons do we actually know these guys had or have reasonable suspicion of them having?

I mean we don't actually think they were going to be hung on the grounds, trampled to death, or beaten to death.  Additionally we don't have any reports of Capital police being disarmed  and their firearms being used for intimidation or other purposes.

I want to be as correct as possible when having to explain this, so I need a little clarification on the means and the actual armament.  Thanks.

A cop was beaten to death and a woman was trampled to death.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I mean we don't actually think they were going to be hung on the grounds, trampled to death, or beaten to death. 

Is this sarcasm? 

[Degenerate Gardner 4,135]

You may remember AZ Rep Paul Gosar’s family speaking out against his candidacy last fall.

He’s obviously still held in high esteem.

 

 

Edited January 11, 2021 by Degenerate Gardner

[Red Five 41,607]

6 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Trump put out tweets explicitly calling for his loser followers to swarm DC on January 6. He gave a fascist call-to-arms speech whipping the mob he summoned into a frenzy and imploring them to storm the Capitol. When they did what he asked them to do, he and his toadies refused requests for military protection of Congress and Trump called congressmen to extort them while their lives were in danger. 

I would add, and this is still so fucking bonkers five days later, that while they were still there storming the capitol, he told them that they are very special and that he loves them. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

7 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Yeah, why are we still debating this? How has anyone not learned their lesson about giving Trump the benefit of the doubt? 

Trump put out tweets explicitly calling for his loser followers to swarm DC on January 6. He gave a fascist call-to-arms speech whipping the mob he summoned into a frenzy and imploring them to storm the Capitol. When they did what he asked them to do, he and his toadies refused requests for military protection of Congress and Trump called congressmen to extort them while their lives were in danger. 

And y’all are sitting here wondering if we’ll ever get to the bottom of the impenetrable mystery of The Crazy Capitol Caper. Good lord.

Trump was literally the conductor of a massive criminal conspiracy to overthrow the government.  He orchestrated in broad daylight. 

[SmokeyTheBear 5,569]

29 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Report on Fox News just now saying the FBI and NYPD both warned capitol police about the intel on violence coming from the protests.  Its going to be interesting to see where the buck stops on this.  

One committed suicide already after years of service. Some assumptions can be made. 

[Jiggy-Z 3,507]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Is this sarcasm? 

No.  I was asking a serious question.  What does this look like if those nuts got there 5,10, 15 minutes before they actually did?  And what weaponry did they actually have or we think they had?

[Red Five 41,607]

1 minute ago, Jiggy-Z said:

No.  I was asking a serious question.  What does this look like if those nuts got there 5,10, 15 minutes before they actually did?  And what weaponry did they actually have or we think they had?

Not to be morbid, but Pelosi is an 80 year old woman. She wouldn't have made it. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

No.  I was asking a serious question.  What does this look like if those nuts got there 5,10, 15 minutes before they actually did?  And what weaponry did they actually have or we think they had?

Have you checked the social media feeds of these people? Perhaps that would give a clue to their objectives. 

[Brisketexan 106,659]

2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

No.  I was asking a serious question.  What does this look like if those nuts got there 5,10, 15 minutes before they actually did?  And what weaponry did they actually have or we think they had?

If you are planning on "arresting" Nancy Pelosi, and putting her on summary "trial" for treason, and then executing her....what do you need?

Muscle to grab her.  Stuff to restrain her when captured (zip ties).  And something to execute her with -- a blade, a gun, a rope.  Once you have her in custody, you don't exactly need a sniper rifle.  And, you know, you could just actually listen to and read what the plotters were actually saying about arresting, trying, and executing these "traitors."  That's ummm, pretty good evidence.

[TwiceHorn 31,996]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Have you checked the social media feeds of these people? Perhaps that would give a clue to their objectives. 

I don't think he's questioning whether they would have, just how they would have.

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

Has the insane (talking so fucking insane it has me second guess if some far left whacko made it) Parler video been posted here??

[Brisketexan 106,659]

1 minute ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Has the insane (talking so fucking insane it has me second guess if some far left whacko made it) Parler video been posted here??

you're going to have to be WAY more specific.

[Jiggy-Z 3,507]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Have you checked the social media feeds of these people? Perhaps that would give a clue to their objectives. 

I am not on social media at all, except for the surl. 

I am aware of their objectives.

I am just looking for confirmation of what weaponry they had and possibly some conjecture about how this might have gone down.

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

you're going to have to be WAY more specific.

It’s like an al Qaeda recruitment video for the inauguration. I am reluctant to post the link as it is decisive and insane.

[Brisketexan 106,659]

1 minute ago, Jiggy-Z said:

I am not on social media at all, except for the surl. 

I am aware of their objectives.

I am just looking for confirmation of what weaponry they had and possibly some conjecture about how this might have gone down.

Grab them.  Zip tie them to a chair, hands bound.  Quick show trial.  Slit their throat.

You know, how this shit goes down in Saudi Arabia and shit.

[SmokeyTheBear 5,569]

1 minute ago, Patricio Swayze said:

It’s like an al Qaeda recruitment video for the inauguration. I am reluctant to post the link as it is decisive and insane.

There was one posted last night somewhere but not sure where. Looked like a WWE meets ISIS video. 

[Jiggy-Z 3,507]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

If you are planning on "arresting" Nancy Pelosi, and putting her on summary "trial" for treason, and then executing her....what do you need?

Muscle to grab her.  Stuff to restrain her when captured (zip ties).  And something to execute her with -- a blade, a gun, a rope.  Once you have her in custody, you don't exactly need a sniper rifle.  And, you know, you could just actually listen to and read what the plotters were actually saying about arresting, trying, and executing these "traitors."  That's ummm, pretty good evidence.

Yes.  I agree they needed nothing more than what you listed as things went.  But what does this look like if the chambers were not cleared?  I assume there would have been some armed security hanging around which would not have stopped a mob, but made things more complicated.

I mean are we assuming that a some portion of these invaders had some sort of concealed hand gun?

[Guest Lobo]

7 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

Has the insane (talking so fucking insane it has me second guess if some far left whacko made it) Parler video been posted here??

Uh, I'll show it to you but you're gonna need to send me a photo of your driver's license, social security card, and cell number.  

[wildcat09 29,563]

2 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

There was one posted last night somewhere but not sure where. Looked like a WWE meets ISIS video. 

So, a Dan Crenshaw campaign ad?

[Patricio Swayze 17,058]

There was one posted last night somewhere but not sure where. Looked like a WWE meets ISIS video. 

It sounds like the same one. What in the actual fuck?

[gmr548 16,681]

Jiggyz “just asking questions” game strong to quite strong

[SmokeyTheBear 5,569]

Just now, Patricio Swayze said:

It sounds like the same one. What in the actual fuck?

It's going to get worse. The more desperate they get, the more extreme they'll become until we all just have to admit that they are no different than any other terrorist group. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

There is a strong effort to normalized what is happening right now by the powers that be in an effort to prevent further disruption/violence.  But sadly it’s counterproductive to the action needed to end this.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

1 minute ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Yes.  I agree they needed nothing more than what you listed as things went.  But what does this look like if the chambers were not cleared?  I assume there would have been some armed security hanging around which would not have stopped a mob, but made things more complicated.

I mean are we assuming that a some portion of these invaders had some sort of concealed hand gun?

Yes. And they outnumbered the actual security as well. That they had a cache of weapons not too far away in a truck (discovered after the fact) means that once they killed a few people or grabbed hostages, it was going to get bad.

It was discussed tangentially here in the thread about the ballots.

 

[Tom 2,960]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

 

 

 

That's funny, but it's two years old. It's not from after the events of this past week.

 

Here is the 1:38 minute director's cut from Reddit:

Trump supporter yells at police "Stop treating me like a black person" : SelfAwarewolves (reddit.com)

[Brisketexan 106,659]

9 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

Yes.  I agree they needed nothing more than what you listed as things went.  But what does this look like if the chambers were not cleared?  I assume there would have been some armed security hanging around which would not have stopped a mob, but made things more complicated.

I mean are we assuming that a some portion of these invaders had some sort of concealed hand gun?

Numerous individual house members were simply hiding in their offices.  Only senior leadership was taken to a safe location.  Some were separated from the mob by nothign but a single door and luck.

[BrickHorn 18,426]

7 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

It's going to get worse. The more desperate they get, the more extreme they'll become until we all just have to admit that they are no different than any other terrorist group. 

Unfortunately, “terrorist group” severely understates the danger the far right poses to the United States. This isn’t some small, shadowy group of villains who will set off occasional bombs in public zones and never gain support from more than a tiny segment of the population. 

“Insurrectionists” is a more accurate term. The threat is a legit civil war or authoritarian takeover, not merely periodic spectacular violence. 

Edited January 11, 2021 by BrickHorn

[Jiggy-Z 3,507]

1 minute ago, gmr548 said:

Jiggyz “just asking questions” game strong to quite strong

I just don't want to overstate the weaponry and I thought we could explore a few "what ifs".  I realize, at this point, we don't have all of the minute details, but I really thought there would have been more conjecture about this on this board.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

Just now, Hugo Stiglitz said:

There is a strong effort to normalized what is happening right now by the powers that be in an effort to prevent further disruption/violence.  But sadly it’s counterproductive to the action needed to end this.

Yes, there is. Don't you,too, like to refer to the neighbor who seems abnormally preoccupied with lighting structures on fire with people inside as a BBQ specialist?

Call it arson cause that's what it is--punishment for arson is 'X'

Call it sedition cause that's what it is--punishment for sedition is 'X'

[InkaUtexas 26,808]

31 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

he has earned a 10-year posting to a private embassy subcontractor in Canberra or Mauritius.

hehehe, I like how you think. The Austrailia contract is up for bid right now. 

[Captainant 28,415]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Numerous individual house members were simply hiding in their offices.  Only senior leadership was taken to a safe location.  Some were separated from the mob by nothign but a single door and luck.

in the 60 minutes interview last night, Pelosi played audio one of her staffers recorded while hiding under a table in a conference room with the door barricaded with a dozen other staffers. The insurrectionists were saying "where's pelosi??" in the recorded audio, between banging on the door 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,619]

1 hour ago, Red Five said:

So one of Trump's lawyers said they were going to have "trial by combat", and another said they were going to execute Mike Pence? 

Ihavetheworstfuckingattorneys gif

"Trial by combat" literally sounds like a line from Harvey Birdman- Attorney At Law.

"Now behold the power... OF ATTORNEY!!!"

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

i gotta say, not having to read trump's tweets daily is pretty damn refreshing. it's just sad people had to die before twitter did the right thing and took away his microphone. 

speaking of...has he dropped in on fox news since the banning? if not, i have to assume even they aren't going to give him a podium to continue the insurrection. everybody is in CYA mode.

[Hagbard Celine 11,162]

43 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

Yes, but like all good mob bosses, I'm sure there wont be a record of him ordering the capitol police to take the day off, not have riot gear, gas, rubber bullets, etc.  Whoever made that decision formally is someone that is going to take a very big fall.  Hope the wink and nod from Trump before hand was worth it, because whoever it is will join the pile of believer's bodies Trump leaves in his wake.

the guy who resigned and committed suicide yesterday..... ???

[Brisketexan 106,659]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

in the 60 minutes interview last night, Pelosi played audio one of her staffers recorded while hiding under a table in a conference room with the door barricaded with a dozen other staffers. The insurrectionists were saying "where's pelosi??" in the recorded audio, between banging on the door 

Oh, and they were expressly and vocally hunting for staffers - again, there are recordings made in real time.

At least some of these folks were in a murderous frenzy.  Would they have been murderous if you visited with one of them one-on-one at Denny's?  Maybe not.  But they absolutely got worked up into a fervor and - most importantly - premeditated violence and murder because they brought the tools with them to do so.  They didn't bring zip ties to repair a loose door handle of their old Buick.

[InkaUtexas 26,808]

1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

the guy who resigned and committed suicide yesterday..... ???

Don't think so having read about him. His father was the Senate Sgt in Arms. And he officer was not senior enough to make those decisions. 

[InkaUtexas 26,808]

The use of the term zip ties makes me laugh. I keep zip ties in my tool box, in my jeep and in my field gear. they are quite handy. But what these fuck sticks had are called Flex Cuffs. They have 1 purpose. To hold a human. And you can buy them on Amazon. 

https://www.amazon.com/Handcuffs-Disposable-Locking-Plastic-Strength/dp/B08BQZ7MYF/ref=asc_df_B08BQZ7MYF/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=459512513964&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3839629710337329082&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9028269&hvtargid=pla-942438737702&psc=1