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You fucking Democrats stole an election and you expect everything to be fine. You support BLM and Antifa. It was ok while they were rioting, looting, and killing. Not one word of condemnation. Now yiu

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The hypocrisy of binary politics is in full effect today.  BLM, Antifa burn buildings, loot cities, ambush cops, attack govt buildings, protest in state capitols and Trumpers demand the police ta

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5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

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This guy sounds poor.

So I've posted this before, but Harper's published Who Goes Nazi in 1941. I think it's spot on and very revealing about the personality types that will support fascism. There's certainly more than one type, but the key takeaway for this discussion is that it typically takes a specific type of resentment that comes with achieving something but not receiving the social reward you think you're due. You see this with petty small business owners that think they're gods because they employ five people, you see it with aggy lawyers, etc. It's like a disease that is only found among the upper-middle class. That's what fuels fascism. 

 

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I can't even begin to fathom the justification for your statement.  I am judging him by his own words. 

He is coming to terms with something he could have never really imagined. Some of us process things more quickly than others, that does not make him bad at all. In fact, I would wager that he is giving it a lot of thought more than some of us.

His reaction to the poster pointing out the threshold was already breeched with these terrorists showing up armed, ready to kidnap politicians, en masse should give you pause.

This is a time to come together, to show our solidarity in the face of a real threat, and to remove said threats from our society. A passive approach to rewind the clock 48 hours will only embolden these radicalized terrorists. This is not the time for a purity test to see if one is offended enough. That pendulum doesn’t have a good outcome either.
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23 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Is there any reason he zeroed in on this video that I missed?

Probably because that clearly shows criminal activity in the vandalism of federal property, etc.

Some of the other footage, of people just standing around and whatnot, is less clearly criminal, although their presence probably constitutes trespass among other things.

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As stupid and contemptible as what she did was, it was not treason.

It was insurrection, with a 10 year maximum penalty.  Or seditious conspiracy with 20 year max.

You don't get to make it into a no-due-process death penalty offense by shrieking "traitor."

You are better than that.

I could fully endorse her being beaten, but I'm not going to endorse her being shot.

You normally have good takes but he’s right that this one sucks and crackly you should stop digging.

A rioting mob illegally broke into the capitol with the entire fucking congress present including the VP. The Trumpkins are actually lucky that only one of them was shot. Clearly the capitol police didn’t do their fucking one job which is protect and secure the capitol. I don’t like shooting people but I also don’t like the halls of Congress attacked by mobs either. More of them should have been shot. You fuck around you find out. 

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He is coming to terms with something he could have never really imagined. Some of us process things more quickly than others, that does not make him bad at all. In fact, I would wager that he is giving it a lot of thought more than some of us.

His reaction to the poster pointing out the threshold was already breeched with these terrorists showing up armed, ready to kidnap politicians, en masse should give you pause.

This is a time to come together, to show our solidarity in the face of a real threat, and to remove said threats from our society. A passive approach to rewind the clock 48 hours will only embolden these radicalized terrorists. This is not the time for a purity test to see if one is offended enough. That pendulum doesn’t have a good outcome either.

If this is directed at me, accurate.

I am conditioned now, in part by this very board, to question all police shootings, even those that might initially appear justified.  My default state is skepticism.  I think police should be unarmed.

Should the Secret Service be unarmed?  Guess not, haven't really thought that through.

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17 minutes ago, Celery Man said:

A pretty good documentary that came out recently is called "Feels Good Man". It centers on Pepe the Frog, which was originally a character from a web comic drawn by this hippy dippy artist guy and then of course, it got co-opted by the alt right, became a hate symbol, etc. I felt bad for the guy when he's at his storage unit talking about the 30 grand of Pepe merchandise he bought that is now worthless. Also how all this shit is basically what the story of his life gets to center on. At any rate, at one point they have 4chan guys talking about the evolution of its use as a meme, and the kinda... jokey application of pepe being a nazi or piloting the 9/11 planes, and then gradually people aren't joking. Or how it transitions from "lol we got you you think we are serious" to more of a "this is a joke *wink*" type thing. I should rewatch that segment. I was thinking about that reading about the seeming disconnect of... people are storming the capitol to overthrow the government, and then walking away rubbing pepper spray out of their eyes like wtf we're just trying to do the revolution. The disconnect between the seriousness of what they are doing and the seriousness that they have about it. Like they were going to naruto run towards Area 51. Except also maybe they're going to hang the vice president.

This is one of those crazy "the internet and the real world have mingled" things, and it's crazy and dangerous and you can kinda see how some people don't totally grok the seriousness of what they are doing, and it's maybe even more dangerous because others know exactly what is up and they're all together. Jtfc I dunno, what a time.

 

good movie, though

 

UT Grad made it too.

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19 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

What would have justified her being shot in your eyes?  If she got through those doors with no reaction nothing would have stopped the rest.  She fucked around and found out and is now a dead stupid bitch.  The moment the crowd penetrated the building is when the lead should have started flying.  

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23 minutes ago, Leeroy Jenkins said:

What would have justified her being shot in your eyes?  If she got through those doors with no reaction nothing would have stopped the rest.  She fucked around and found out and is now a dead stupid bitch.  The moment the crowd penetrated the building is when the lead should have started flying.  

To be fair, she’s a lot less stupid now than she was 24 hours ago.  

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I, like everyone else, has a distinct story of where I was during 9/11 that will forever provide a snapshot into my life at the time...Sr at OSU driving to campus.  

I also will never forget the moment I fully realized that covid was about to upend my way of life in 2020...standing up from my cube at work and realizing I was one of only 5 people on the whole floor.  
 

Those are stories I’ll probably tell my kids someday.  
 

For this whole shitshow I’ll just show the worn out area on my iPhone where the browser refresh button is and my story is simply ‘refreshing Surly like a got damn lunatic’.  No ragrets, best info and laughs were posted here.  

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Do NOT visit the ag site.

TigerDroppings makes Aggy look like free thinking liberals.

That the GOP and the Maggots are at war is the best news I’ve had for years.

Watching the Senate speeches last night was like seeing the McCarthy “at long last have you no decency?” hearing in real time.
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6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

If this is directed at me, accurate.

I am conditioned now, in part by this very board, to question all police shootings, even those that might initially appear justified.  My default state is skepticism.  I think police should be unarmed.

Should the Secret Service be unarmed?  Guess not, haven't really thought that through.

You can call them cops, secret service, thugs, whatever...but the people charged with protecting our capital should be armed to the gills.  

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2 hours ago, Nivek said:

You are being very kind to the Capitol Police.  It is their job, what they are trained and paid for doing to defend the Capitol.  The Trump-Terrorist mob backed down when 1 round was fired by the Secret Service.  All those cops with their boomsticks, tacticool outfits, body armor, training, etc. failed dramatically to do their fucking job.  At the stairwell, they had a perfect opportunity to point their firearms down at the bottle-neck, set up barriers, and use the high ground to their advantage.  Instead, they gave ground and took selfies.  They let a terrorist mod attack Our Nation's Capitol and they did next to nothing to stop it.  I could have organized a defense and my battle experience is limited to Medal of Honor video games.   

Defund the police is right.  It is obvious it is a welfare job for racists, assholes, pussies and incompetents.  We don't need to fund them since they fail so often and so dramatically, from the Parkland, Florida cop running and hiding to the Capitol Police.  They are tough only when they have numbers and when they are dealing with reasonable people exercising their rights.  This organization of fuckheads gleefully pushed a frail old man to the ground and attacked a bunch of unarmed women.  Yes, I lump them together because they are a monolith of morons and they continue to provide evidence of their repulsive behavior throughout the country.    

 

 

  No one has ever trained them to shoot people that look like them, or believe in what they believe in. Something that should be addressed in training going forward.

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You can call them cops, secret service, thugs, whatever...but the people charged with protecting our capital should be armed to the gills.  

I'm actually questioning this notion, in large part because of who our elected officials are.  Do they deserve deadly force protection any more than you or I?

In some symbolic sense, I guess so.  As human beings, I find that notion hard to reconcile.

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  No one has ever trained them to shoot people that look like them, or believe in what they believe in. Something that should be addressed in training going forward.

Yeah. We were told all year that the police needed to be "retrained" and "deprogrammed" so that they won't just start attacking civilians. This incident proves, again, that its about race. Police are an armed wing of white supremacy. Always have been. Maybe always will be. Up to us.

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1 minute ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm actually questioning this notion, in large part because of who our elected officials are.  Do they deserve deadly force protection any more than you or I?

In some symbolic sense, I guess so.  As human beings, I find that notion hard to reconcile.

In my opinion it’s more to protect the capital.  Not the people in it.  You don’t just roll in there and piss/shit on ‘us’.  

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A newly elected West Virginia lawmaker posted video of himself among the crowd that stormed the Capitol building on Wednesday — prompting calls for his resignation.

Republican Delegate Derrick Evans has since deleted the video showing him and a throng of Trump supporters breaching the building in protest of President-elect Joe Biden’s victory.

“We’re in, baby!” he says in the clip, copies of which are still circulating on Twitter.

Evans can also be seen inside milling about the Capitol Rotunda in a helmet, yelling, “No vandalizing.”

The first-time officeholder was elected in November to represent Wayne County.

In a Facebook post, he called himself “an independent member of the media to film history” while on a bus traveling home to West Virginia, West Virginia Metro News said.

“I want to assure you all that I did not have any negative interactions with law enforcement nor did I participate in any destruction that may have occurred,” Evans added.

Democratic leaders in West Virginia have already called on Evans to resign and “be prosecuted to the fullest extend of the law.” About 10,000 people have signed an online petition calling for his removal from office.

Roger Hanshaw, the speaker of the state House of Delegates, said Evans will need to “answer to his constituents and colleagues regarding his involvement in what has occurred today.”

Hanshaw suggested Evans could be criminally charged.

“While free speech and peaceful protests are a core value of American society, storming government buildings and participating in a violent intentional disruption of one of our nation’s most fundamental political institutions is a crime that should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” he said in a statement.

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2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I'm actually questioning this notion, in large part because of who our elected officials are.  Do they deserve deadly force protection any more than you or I?

In some symbolic sense, I guess so.  As human beings, I find that notion hard to reconcile.

Dude come on.

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1 minute ago, Thatguy said:

  No one has ever trained them to shoot people that look like them, or believe in what they believe in. Something that should be addressed in training going forward.

There are plenty of shithead cops, but i dont think their personal failings are to blame for the harms they cause and essentializing them, like essentializing any group, is counterproductive even if they are a self-selected group.  

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1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

In my opinion it’s more to protect the capital.  Not the people in it.  You don’t just roll in there and piss/shit on ‘us’.  

This.  I too sat at Nancy Pelosi's desk once - the ceremonial one ringed with American flags - with a sense of awe and humility and appreciation for democracy.

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4 minutes ago, HillaryFan420 said:

 

There are plenty of shithead cops, but i dont think their personal failings are to blame for the harms they cause and essentializing them, like essentializing any group, is counterproductive even if they are a self-selected group.  

 

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3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

In my opinion it’s more to protect the capital.  Not the people in it.  You don’t just roll in there and piss/shit on ‘us’.  

Yeah.  

That has to be the answer.  It's the symbolism of the building or the office, rather than the shitheads occupying them.

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1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Spot on.

Female so perhaps sensitive to this, but nothing pinged the 'am I in trouble' radar quite like passing by/or being passed by a group of guys if I was training/running alone. It is an opportunity for one (or more) males to display power to the peers he is with. Most of the time you just hear a few catcalls and off color stuff from a distance, absolutely never respond, and keep going and move on.

But. Sometimes you get a little one upmanship going on between the group or one guy wants to take it too far in showing off and if there is not enough "umm, hey, this isn't a good idea, man" then you have a car of young men chasing a young woman on foot (pre cell phone days) and her trying to figure out the best way to get away.

That was a male example, but females are in mobs, too.

Mobs can get nasty in a hurry.

See also any fraternity hazing situation that gets out of hand enough to make the news.

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My agent just emailed me and said that the company will have a statement out tomorrow. I emailed her back and said  that if it is not an immediate termination statement, then I’m moving all of my policies(6) to another agency by early next week. I’m not done with this company if they don’t fire this bastard, I promise to let many people know about him and the agency.

goosehead insurance has an interesting hiring pattern.

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I'm actually questioning this notion, in large part because of who our elected officials are.  Do they deserve deadly force protection any more than you or I?
In some symbolic sense, I guess so.  As human beings, I find that notion hard to reconcile.
Even just pragmatically yes. Armed violent mobs should not be able to easily overtake our government and murder our elected officials. Murdering elected officials is an assault on our democracy and goes well beyond plain murder or protesting.
Yesterday set a dangerous precedent far worse than killing a few of these treasonous loons after they broke into the seat of our government.

I say this as someone whose anti death penalty, anti war, pro gun restriction and wary of all cops.
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20 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

If this is directed at me, accurate.

I am conditioned now, in part by this very board, to question all police shootings, even those that might initially appear justified.  My default state is skepticism.  I think police should be unarmed.

Should the Secret Service be unarmed?  Guess not, haven't really thought that through.

I think Trump should be unarmed. Imagine for a moment, if you will, an armless Trump running around and banging his head on the keyboard trying to tweet.

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