The US Capitol has been Breached [Action and Developing stories]

[David Dennison 19441]

29 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

55 charged so far and the US Attorney says its just the start

 

So, when does Trump pardon them?

[Wanker Bob 379]

1 minute ago, MoJames said:

The one thing missing from the current false flag conspiracies which all need is the motivation behind Antifa being responsible for yesterday. What would they have to gain.

not to mention they all videotaped themselves doing it and virtually all of them that can be traced are traced back to white supremacist trumpers on social media

[Wanker Bob 379]

Just now, David Dennison said:

So, when does Trump pardon them?

The moment they get enough money to buy him off. Which of course is never

[DigglerontheHoof 21516]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So, when does Trump pardon them?

They should hold off releasing the warrants until Biden is POTUS...if that's allowed.   It's not like any of these morons are smart enough to disappear in the next couple of weeks.

[TwiceHorn 31992]

40 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

Mo Brooks licks his own butthole like a dog.

You would if you could./futureman

[SydneyCarton 49330]

1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

They should hold off releasing the warrants until Biden is POTUS...if that's allowed.   It's not like any of these morons are smart enough to disappear in the next couple of weeks.

Fuck. In this instance it's even more beneficial for perception if he DID pardon people on camera mobbing the capitol building. I'm all for it. 

[RDCanecutter 26854]

4 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So, when does Trump pardon them?

That's one reason I wanted them back home dicking around until Trump is no longer president. They're eating bacon, bragging on FB, posting all those selfies of what they did in DC. Then

 

BOOM

 

1,000 of them arrested all over the country within 5 seconds of each other.

[RDCanecutter 26854]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

You would if you could./futureman

No way. Mo Brooks would bite me.

[Beau Vine 55827]

9 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So, when does Trump pardon them?

Why would Trump pardon ANTIFA???

[Biff Tannen 46061]

13 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

So they knew the mean antifa people where planning to infiltrate the Trump rally and storm the Capitol, yet they did nothing to beef up security or plan for quick reinforcements should said scenario actually happen. Sounds pretty thin. 

Why are these fascists so god damn dumb?  And how the fuck are we losing to them?

[Wanker Bob 379]

17 minutes ago, B00M said:

Your lectures here are almost as annoying as the football board.

Being a person who falls way to the analytical side of the spectrum I am fascinated by people who are incapable of controlling their emotions and keeping them from objective judgment. Whether it be Trump supporters not realizing they are nothing but suckers being played by a fascist or sports fans unable to recognize when their own program is wrought with self-destructive and morally corrupt behaviors. 

I don't know how your brain allows you to be so manipulated and blind to reality but the fact  it does fascinates the crap out of me. 

[David Dennison 19441]

2 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

Being a person who falls way to the analytical side of the spectrum I am fascinated by people who are incapable of controlling their emotions and keeping them from objective judgment. Whether it be Trump supporters not realizing they are nothing but suckers being played by a fascist or sports fans unable to recognize when their own program is wrought with self-destructive and morally corrupt behaviors. 

I don't know how your brain allows you to be so manipulated and blind to reality but the fact  it does fascinates the crap out of me. 

Username checks out.

[Degenerate Gardner 4134]

15 minutes ago, MoJames said:

The one thing missing from the current false flag conspiracies which all need is the motivation behind Antifa being responsible for yesterday. What would they have to gain.

You’re all hung up on logic, man! This transcends logic. The proof is in the accusation. Cult leaders blame Antifa, cult followers follow and that’s all there is to it.

[Michael Knight 13187]

14 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Fuck. In this instance it's even more beneficial for perception if he DID pardon people on camera mobbing the capitol building. I'm all for it. 

I think we're way past the point of relying on shame to accomplish anything

[Doc Sam Beckett 5854]

21 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

So, when does Trump pardon them?

"Most of the people face charges like unlawful entry, though some have been charged with more serious crimes like assault, Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. Attorney in Washington, said at a press conference on Thursday." 

 

Pardon them for unlawful entry? Probably not necessary 

[4th&Five 41904]

 

[SydneyCarton 49330]

1 minute ago, Michael Knight said:

I think we're way past the point of relying on shame to accomplish anything

I mean, yes and no. The proliferation of social media, "alternative facts," and the ability to seal oneself off in echo chambers has made it hard. 

But between what happened in GA and yesterday, that seems to have shaken loose a lot of right wing motherfuckers into changing their tunes. Piling on a little more while there is momentum can't fucking hurt. If for no other reason as another poster said, you can say "Why would Trump pardon someone from ANTIFA?"

[SydneyCarton 49330]

1 minute ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

"Most of the people face charges like unlawful entry, though some have been charged with more serious crimes like assault, Michael Sherwin, the acting U.S. Attorney in Washington, said at a press conference on Thursday." 

 

Pardon them for unlawful entry? Probably not necessary 

It doesn't have to be that way. Per trumps own tweets this summer, charge them with defacing the Monuments Act or whatever it was and a 10 year minimum. 

[DDD Dad 14572]

55 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

He makes the list.  Right now, my list of people that should be charged with treason are as follows:

Trump

Cruz

Hawley

Gaetz

Mo Brooks

Kevin McCarthy

Rudy G.

These folks should all be charged and tried for treason.  

Sedition, but I'll allow it.

[atomheartbevo 90549]

6 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Did you guys know there are hundreds of thousands of antifa people who dress up as MAGA people just to make Trump look bad?

I've already heard this from my qanon relative.

I told her that if these Antifa people spent years pretending to be MAGA/Q fanatics to get inside of MAGA/Q fanatics, then it means her movement is thoroughly penetrated and she probably shouldn't trust anything said by anybody claiming to be a Q fan.

[B00M 6726]

1 minute ago, Wanker Bob said:

Being a person who falls way to the analytical side of the spectrum I am fascinated by people who are incapable of controlling their emotions and keeping them from objective judgment. Whether it be Trump supporters not realizing they are nothing but suckers being played by a fascist or sports fans unable to recognize when their own program is wrought with self-destructive and morally corrupt behaviors. 

I don't know how your brain allows you to be so manipulated and blind to reality but the fact  it does fascinates the crap out of me. 

Hey Bob, it might require some analysis, but do you think there's any chance I told you to STFU because you're an out spoken cunt that makes bad posts in condescending ways? I've voted against trump 3 times so you can get fucked.

 

[Captainant 28398]

6 minutes ago, CDAK said:

But now you're arguing that the higher level of force used yesterday was justified due to the circumstances. Your prior point was that cops used less force against the white, Trump supporters. 

Moving the conversation over here because you want to talk politics

Cops used significantly less force against these red hats than they did against BLM earlier this year. They were fucking people up for looking at them wrong while wearing BLM gear. Teakettling them and mass arresting them and aggressively enforcing curfews, that kind of shit.

Capitol police took blows, got into fist fights, and had irritants sprayed on them by the insurrectionists yesterday. The cops fucking held their hands while walking down the stairs. Shit, the cops outside the door where the woman was shot carried her out to medical attention - AND THEY CONTINUED TO TREAT THE REST OF THE MOB AS GOOD FAITH ACTORS.

You are trolling and posting in bad faith if you can't see the difference.

[Wanker Bob 379]

7 minutes ago, B00M said:

Hey Bob, it might require some analysis, but do you think there's any chance I told you to STFU because you're an out spoken cunt that makes bad posts in condescending ways? I've voted against trump 3 times so you can get fucked.

 

I see we have another Gary Johnson voter. Poor Gary should be the one claiming election fraud. 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Wanker Bob

[Mo Horn 8933]

Quote

“The answer isn’t to stay home and hand control of the government over to the radical left and the extreme socialists, the answer is to stand up and defend the state of Georgia and defend our rights.” said Cruz. “The anger that you feel, let me encourage you to channel it into fighting to save the senate and save America.”

This is from Cruz's speech in Georgia this past weekend.

[Doc Reeves 6434]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Moving the conversation over here because you want to talk politics

Cops used significantly less force against these red hats than they did against BLM earlier this year. They were fucking people up for looking at them wrong while wearing BLM gear. Teakettling them and mass arresting them and aggressively enforcing curfews, that kind of shit.

Capitol police took blows, got into fist fights, and had irritants sprayed on them by the insurrectionists yesterday. The cops fucking held their hands while walking down the stairs. Shit, the cops outside the door where the woman was shot carried her out to medical attention - AND THEY CONTINUED TO TREAT THE REST OF THE MOB AS GOOD FAITH ACTORS.

You are trolling and posting in bad faith if you can't see the difference.

Yup

When the world is so vile it’s so much safer in denial

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Moving the conversation over here because you want to talk politics

Cops used significantly less force against these red hats than they did against BLM earlier this year. They were fucking people up for looking at them wrong while wearing BLM gear. Teakettling them and mass arresting them and aggressively enforcing curfews, that kind of shit.

Capitol police took blows, got into fist fights, and had irritants sprayed on them by the insurrectionists yesterday. The cops fucking held their hands while walking down the stairs. Shit, the cops outside the door where the woman was shot carried her out to medical attention - AND THEY CONTINUED TO TREAT THE REST OF THE MOB AS GOOD FAITH ACTORS.

You are trolling and posting in bad faith if you can't see the difference.

Anyone who bitches about the woman getting shot need to remember that the police put Grandpa in the hospital for returning a helmet to them.

[CDAK 216]

I'm not trolling or posting in bad faith. I think bullets are a higher level of force than batons, tear gas, pepper spray, etc. Killing a person with a bullet is a higher level of force than pepper spraying 1,000 people - at least to me. Did the woman killed have a gun or any type of weapon? 

The police can protect federal buildings without shooting and killing people. Protestors in Portland tried to enter a federal building day after day. Shockingly, the police didn't have to kill any of them (again, please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

[I don't know why you moved the post as I just disagreed with a take of yours on the other thread. I quoted you and disagreed. But you're moving the thread because I want to talk politics?]

[Neonmoon 38130]

The person who refused the request should be fired immediately 

 

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

46 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

If you take all of the what might have happened and the motivation guessing and just use facts, here’s what took place yesterday:

a group of people numbering in the thousands openly planned a gathering, mostly on social media, to take place on 1/6 in opposition to the confirmation of the electoral college votes. People made plans and made t shirts about it up to and including calling it civil war.  They made their way to DC, many of them loudly trumpeting their intentions while on airplanes. They gathered on 1/6, some with firearms, some with body armor, some with zip ties, they assembled in the area orchestrated and participated in a rally in which many people including the president spoke to them. Then they walked to the Capitol and forced their way in and took complete control of the building without anyone firing a shot in defense. They looted, they vandalized, one person was shot and killed trying to gain entrance to the house chamber despite the door being closed, locked, and barricaded and armed security pointing weapons at the door and giving verbal warnings. 
They took pictures with the cops who were supposed to be defending the building.  They live-streamed themselves. Then over the course of some hours they were asked to leave and they slowly and eventually made their way out of the building. 

many of them bragged on social media about it, some even were interviewed about it  

and some people think this, or parts of it, are no big deal.   There’s been equivocation, there’s been downplaying, there’s been lying. 
 

now they are promising more on or before the inauguration.  We need to believe them. 

EXACTLY. I do believe them. Gaslighting and cooperation and conspiracy to commit sedition by both elected and non-elected officials and citizens.

37 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

So they knew the mean antifa people where planning to infiltrate the Trump rally and storm the Capitol, yet they did nothing to beef up security or plan for quick reinforcements should said scenario actually happen. Sounds pretty thin. 

Mo Brooks just gave up some of the game plan.

26 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Why are these fascists so god damn dumb?  And how the fuck are we losing to them?

They have no concern whatsoever for law or morals or the public good. Roger Stone quote is that they play to win, and he's not wrong. If they win this we are over.

[C-Man 27686]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

Mo Brooks licks his own butthole like a dog.

 

1 hour ago, Bama Chick said:

As one of Mo Brooks’s unfortunate constituents, let me let you in on a secret.

Mo Brooks is legitimately mentally handicapped.

He has absolutely no clue what the “FA” in Antifa stands for.

The man’s a bootleg Foghorn Leghorn muppet with barbecue for brains.

Thank you both. These two responses have absolutely made my afternoon.

[Ted Lange 16358]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

The person who refused the request should be fired immediately 

 

 

He shouldve been fired 4 years ago.

[Macanudo 13257]

40 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

So they knew the mean antifa people where planning to infiltrate the Trump rally and storm the Capitol, yet they did nothing to beef up security or plan for quick reinforcements should said scenario actually happen. Sounds pretty thin. 

I'm getting too old for this shit.

[Beau Vine 55827]

18 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

It doesn't have to be that way. Per trumps own tweets this summer, charge them with defacing the Monuments Act or whatever it was and a 10 year minimum. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

Daaaaammmmn

[Irwin F Fletcher 3555]

2 minutes ago, CDAK said:

I'm not trolling or posting in bad faith. I think bullets are a higher level of force than batons, tear gas, pepper spray, etc. Killing a person with a bullet is a higher level of force than pepper spraying 1,000 people - at least to me. Did the woman killed have a gun or any type of weapon? 

The police can protect federal buildings without shooting and killing people. Protestors in Portland tried to enter a federal building day after day. Shockingly, the police didn't have to kill any of them (again, please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

[I don't know why you moved the post as I just disagreed with a take of yours on the other thread. I quoted you and disagreed. But you're moving the thread because I want to talk politics?]

Well to start, it didn't look like the Capitol Police could protect the building they were assigned to. The time of the shooting, the Capitol had been overrun and the area that these police/ss were assigned was being breeched. I'll assume they had a reason to resort to deadly force (ie. protecting a Congressman/Senator). The lady was shot after breaking through a window, repeatedly told to stop or they would fire, I'll assume she saw the weapons pointed at her, yet she proceeded. And that's where it ended. At some point, you have to meet a threat with necessary force. 

[CDAK 216]

3 minutes ago, Irwin F Fletcher said:

Well to start, it didn't look like the Capitol Police could protect the building they were assigned to. The time of the shooting, the Capitol had been overrun and the area that these police/ss were assigned was being breeched. I'll assume they had a reason to resort to deadly force (ie. protecting a Congressman/Senator). The lady was shot after breaking through a window, repeatedly told to stop or they would fire, I'll assume she saw the weapons pointed at her, yet she proceeded. And that's where it ended. At some point, you have to meet a threat with necessary force. 

This is justification for a higher use of force, which may have been necessary (I don't know). But it's in tension with the guy's point that the cops used less force against the Trump protestors. 

Your first sentence is interesting. I wonder if a smaller police presence results in more shootings.

[wildcat09 29559]

Over in the DT thread this guy says he doesn't think we should distinguish between secret service agents and regular police when it comes to using force, which is hilariously stupid. 

[Biff Tannen 46061]

10 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

He shouldve been fired 4 years ago.

JFC.  He should be fucking charged with obstruction or something.  That is unacceptable.

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, CDAK said:

This is justification for a higher use of force, which may have been necessary (I don't know). But it's in tension with the guy's point that the cops used less force against the Trump protestors. 

Your first sentence is interesting. I wonder if a smaller police presence results in more shootings.

They used deadly force on one person and minimal force on the rest of the mob. The comparison isn’t close. The difference in how this was treated vs how the BLM was treated is obvious and stark and fuck anyone equivocating 

[BearSchlong 8233]

Summer 2020 the motherfucking DHS SECRETARY showed up at the Portland Federal Courthouse with hired thugs to escalate matters against BLM.  Plainclothed feds were snatching people off the streets, stuffing them into vans.  Bill Barr, at the behest of trump, instructed US Atty Billy Williams and his staff to prosecute without mercy.  I just had a conversation with an Atty in that office at 4 this afternoon and she said quote "They would tell you they were protesting police brutality, but all they really wanted was chaos."  They only charged 40 with federal crimes, and the litmus test (again, direct quote from the attorney who wrote the indictment and prepared the prosecution) is they "actually assaulted federal officers or were on camera trying to destroy the building". Windows were broken, nobody penetrated the courthouse beyond the lobby, and the whole building reeked of teargas, but by God no protestors/rioters/seditionists gained access to the federal building DUE TO OVERWHELMING FEDERAL DEFENCE.

yesterday, the president of the united states incited his supporters to occupy the United States Capitol.  And the defenders of the US Capitol building let them in.

Let that sink in..

 

 

[DDD Dad 14572]

12 minutes ago, CDAK said:

I'm not trolling or posting in bad faith. I think bullets are a higher level of force than batons, tear gas, pepper spray, etc. Killing a person with a bullet is a higher level of force than pepper spraying 1,000 people - at least to me. Did the woman killed have a gun or any type of weapon? 

The police can protect federal buildings without shooting and killing people. Protestors in Portland tried to enter a federal building day after day. Shockingly, the police didn't have to kill any of them (again, please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

[I don't know why you moved the post as I just disagreed with a take of yours on the other thread. I quoted you and disagreed. But you're moving the thread because I want to talk politics?]

We don't know what was in her backpack.  They found one guy with 11 molotov cocktails inside the Capitol.  There are photos of others with 9mm handguns and zip ties.

She was breaching a barricade into a secure area that very likely had our top government officials sheltering in place.  Should the officer have risked his own safety by approaching her with pepper spray or a baton?  Had he done so he very possibly could have risked being overrun by a dozen more behind her who were also poised to jump through the breach.

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Over in the DT thread this guy says he doesn't think we should distinguish between secret service agents and regular police when it comes to using force, which is hilariously stupid. 

I think it’s funny we must have a safe space for them 

[Captainant 28398]

9 minutes ago, CDAK said:

I'm not trolling or posting in bad faith. I think bullets are a higher level of force than batons, tear gas, pepper spray, etc. Killing a person with a bullet is a higher level of force than pepper spraying 1,000 people - at least to me. Did the woman killed have a gun or any type of weapon? 

The police can protect federal buildings without shooting and killing people. Protestors in Portland tried to enter a federal building day after day. Shockingly, the police didn't have to kill any of them (again, please correct me if I'm wrong about that).

[I don't know why you moved the post as I just disagreed with a take of yours on the other thread. I quoted you and disagreed. But you're moving the thread because I want to talk politics?]

I moved the convo here because the nature of our disagreement is political and you're making arguments in bad faith to hide that.

The woman wasn't killed at the perimeter of the Capitol, not along a fence, not in the streets in front of it. She was deep inside the capitol, past several lines of defenses, trying to break into a secured area holding multiple elected officials.

The Capitol is a secured area - normal folks are NOT allowed to carry firearms in there. There were multiple people in that mob arrested for carrying LOADED FIREARMS WITH AN EXTRA MAG into the fucking Capitol.

Do you think secret fucking service agents are just fucking around waiting to find out? No, they are there as a last line of defense against fucking crazy people trying to cause harm to elected officials.

This dead woman had just about every fucking possible sign post to stand the fuck down - orders of magnitude more than was offered to the BLM folks. She was even told by the people next to her that GUNS WERE POINTED AT HER but she chose to go through anyways.

I don't know how you can compare this dead woman to BLM people in any way, shape, or form.

[hobbes2702 13351]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

I think it’s funny we must have a safe space for them 

No fucking shit. The threat on DT is fucking embarrassing 

[Captainant 28398]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

I think it’s funny we must have a safe space for them 

what if I told you, they run the rest of the board? Blacklab will put you in time out if you hurt their fee-fees with facty-wacties

[wildcat09 29559]

3 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

We don't know what was in her backpack.  They found one guy with 11 molotov cocktails inside the Capitol.  There are photos of others with 9mm handguns and zip ties.

She was breaching a barricade into a secure area that very likely had our top government officials sheltering in place.  Should the officer have risked his own safety by approaching her with pepper spray or a baton?  Had he done so he very possibly could have risked being overrun by a dozen more behind her who were also poised to jump through the breach.

 

Don't forget the pipe bombs.

[Bama Chick 28596]

what if I told you, they run the rest of the board? Blacklab will put you in time out if you hurt their fee-fees with facty-wacties

Dude, he’ll do worse than that too.

[Captainant 28398]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

Don't forget the pipe bombs.

bu-bu-bu-but they pipe bombed #bothsides so it must be antifurk!

[TexasEd 8248]

3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

Maybe be prepared next time...(in two weeks)

 

 

Domestic terrorists justify use of Reapers?

[DDD Dad 14572]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

Don't forget the pipe bombs.

Well those were found outside the buildings so I left that out on purpose.  There's enough evidence of real threat to life with what was found INSIDE the Capitol to have justified the shooting.

More to the point of @CDAK's argument, it is absolutely disingenuous (at best) to try to equate the level of force used by the police etc. yesterday to the force exerted on BLM or CHAZ protests, or even the DC police/parks/border patrol, etc., that were employed to clear a path for a photo op earlier this year outside the White House.