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I can't respond to all the comments. I can reiterate my position one more time. You're justifying the deadly force with all the comments about secret service, secured area, etc. That's a separate argument from whether they used more or less force compared to other protests. Killing someone is a higher level of force than hitting 100 with a baton in my opinion. Fee free to disagree as Hobbes did.

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You fucking Democrats stole an election and you expect everything to be fine. You support BLM and Antifa. It was ok while they were rioting, looting, and killing. Not one word of condemnation. Now yiu

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The hypocrisy of binary politics is in full effect today.  BLM, Antifa burn buildings, loot cities, ambush cops, attack govt buildings, protest in state capitols and Trumpers demand the police ta

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Yep, and while JFKFC is an asshat he wasn't wrong with his initial post because Twice is being extremely stupid about this. 
Maybe naive is a better word, though. 

Look, as a former civil rights attorney, I cringe at the “shoot em all!!!” calls here. And reasonable force was my mantra for years. I get Twice.

But as I watched this unfold, I thought there might be twenty or thirty people in the mob with explosives and Uzis under their coats, and we were gonna have a dead or captured Congress.

From a Secret Service prospective, the mob were all prospective terrorists. This was NOT a typical cop on citizen rousting event, but a potential terrorist opportunity to attack/seize congress. That it turned out to be a less accomplished and evil bunch was a fucking miracle.

Any smiling Q-nut could well have been a terrorist trying to lull security before igniting their vest bomb.

Secret Service showed great restraint, IMO
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Some retired military are the worst.

If my wife's current husband (Retired Colonel and super Maga) was on fire I wouldn't piss on him.  I take back all the nice shit I said over the years, partly because of his Maga-ness, partly because over the holidays I found out that he's a fucking perv who made inappropriate sexual comments to my daughter starting when she was in 7th grade.

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Just now, CDAK said:

I can't respond to all the comments. I can reiterate my position one more time. You're justifying the deadly force with all the comments about secret service, secured area, etc. That's a separate argument from whether they used more or less force compared to other protests. Killing someone is a higher level of force than hitting 100 with a baton in my opinion. Fee free to disagree as Hobbes did.

Yea this is bullshit equivocation and you can fuck off.

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7 minutes ago, Captainant said:

what if I told you, they run the rest of the board? Blacklab will put you in time out if you hurt their fee-fees with facty-wacties

 

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:


Dude, he’ll do worse than that too.

I know blacklab personally.  He is a good guy, and he really hates political shit flinging.  There's a place for political discourse, and many of us are able to keep our discussions there.  Some simply can't or won't.  If he's putting you in a time out it's because you can't follow the rules someone bitched to him about it.  

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1 minute ago, BearSchlong said:

Some retired military are the worst.

If my wife's current husband (Retired Colonel and super Maga) was on fire I wouldn't piss on him.  I take back all the nice shit I said over the years, partly because of his Maga-ness, partly because over the holidays I found out that he's a fucking perv who made inappropriate sexual comments to my daughter starting when she was in 7th grade.

Wait. What the fucking fuck?

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Look, as a former civil rights attorney, I cringe at the “shoot em all!!!” calls here. And reasonable force was my mantra for years. I get Twice.

But as I watched this unfold, I thought there might be twenty or thirty people in the mob with explosives and Uzis under their coats, and we were gonna have a dead or captured Congress.

From a Secret Service prospective, the mob were all prospective terrorists. This was NOT a typical cop on citizen rousting event, but a potential terrorist opportunity to attack/seize congress. That it turned out to be a less accomplished and evil bunch was a fucking miracle.

Any smiling Q-nut could well have been a terrorist trying to lull security before igniting their vest bomb.

Secret Service showed great restraint, IMO

I hit my rep limit, but very solid take here. That's why if it is discovered that there was some sort of planned understaffing or infiltration within the ranks of officers or their command, then the charges should be quite severe--they didn't just endanger the lives of the elected, they put everyone in danger and America at large.

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I know blacklab personally.  He is a good guy, and he really hates political shit flinging.  There's a place for political discourse, and many of us are able to keep our discussions there.  Some simply can't or won't.  If he's putting you in a time out it's because you can't follow the rules someone bitched to him about it.  

Except that entire forum is political. It’s not about shit flinging it’s about a safe space.

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2 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Some retired military are the worst.

If my wife's current husband (Retired Colonel and super Maga) was on fire I wouldn't piss on him.  I take back all the nice shit I said over the years, partly because of his Maga-ness, partly because over the holidays I found out that he's a fucking perv who made inappropriate sexual comments to my daughter starting when she was in 7th grade.

Have you considered shooting him in the dick?

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Wait. What the fucking fuck?

Yeah, recently found out his nickname for my daughter while she was in high school was "Tits on a stick".

I thought about shooting him, but his current employer is Houston Police Department.  Not worth the trouble.

 

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5 minutes ago, CDAK said:

I can't respond to all the comments. I can reiterate my position one more time. You're justifying the deadly force with all the comments about secret service, secured area, etc. That's a separate argument from whether they used more or less force compared to other protests. Killing someone is a higher level of force than hitting 100 with a baton in my opinion. Fee free to disagree as Hobbes did.

Please. Watch this video and tell me that you wouldn't use deadly force to defend your home if you were in that situation. If you would use deadly force to stop that woman coming into your home, then why isn't the fucking CONSTITUTIONAL LINE OF PRESIDENTIAL SUCCESSION worth using deadly force to defend from an invader?

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https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksgvin/hes_got_a_gun_synced_videos_showing_woman_not/

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1 minute ago, hobbes2702 said:

Except that entire forum is political. It’s not about shit flinging it’s about a safe space.

Sometimes you just have to keep 'em separated.

I'm not gonna put words in his mouth, but at some point I figure he's just throwing up his hands trying to keep it all together here (i.e., in letting the cheeseweasels and chickensandwiches have their own snowglobe).

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I know blacklab personally.  He is a good guy, and he really hates political shit flinging.  There's a place for political discourse, and many of us are able to keep our discussions there.  Some simply can't or won't.  If he's putting you in a time out it's because you can't follow the rules someone bitched to him about it.  

I never post on DT.

He took a post I made on this board and took to the Help Board and started a new thread with it with my name as the author. It was taken out of context and resulted in me getting threats in my PMs and all kinds of hate.

That’s not something a “good guy” does and it had zero to do with political shit flinging. He was mad he was being called out for his double standards and used his power on this board to set me up to get hate from other users.
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1 minute ago, Captainant said:

Please. Watch this video and tell me that you wouldn't use deadly force to defend your home if you were in that situation. If you would use deadly force to stop that woman coming into your home, then why isn't the fucking CONSTITUTIONAL LINE OF PRESIDENTIAL SUCCESSION worth using deadly force to defend from an invader?

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https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksgvin/hes_got_a_gun_synced_videos_showing_woman_not/

He's not really saying that it was wrong to shoot that lady, just that it's ok for cops to beat thousands of black people for peacefully marching.

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3 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Yeah, recently found out his nickname for my daughter while she was in high school was "Tits on a stick".

 

Ummm, you should not let your daughter around that person

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

Sometimes you just have to keep 'em separated.

I'm not gonna put words in his mouth, but at some point I figure he's just throwing up his hands trying to keep it all together here (i.e., in letting the cheeseweasels and chickensandwiches have their own snowglobe).

They don’t have to post about politics. No one forced them to come to cloak room, get butt hurt, and takeover a non political forum for their safe space. 

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17 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

No fucking shit. The threat on DT is fucking embarrassing 

Where it (DT) becomes problematic is those that make political posts who are NOT regular commenters in the Cloak Room are hesitant to post in the Cloak Room. If they can't handle the discussion, then perhaps they should stay in the nursery, but actually you know, not make political comments about the discussion.

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4 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Yeah, recently found out his nickname for my daughter while she was in high school was "Tits on a stick".

I thought about shooting him, but his current employer is Houston Police Department.  Not worth the trouble.

 

That’s good thinking. You should definitely get someone else to do it

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16 minutes ago, Captainant said:

what if I told you, they run the rest of the board? Blacklab will put you in time out if you hurt their fee-fees with facty-wacties

Your version of the "facts" is often very slanted.  I enjoy dialogue with you.  Not every one is looking for that.

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I never post on DT.

He took a post I made on this board and took to the Help Board and started a new thread with it with my name as the author. It was taken out of context and resulted in me getting threats in my PMs and all kinds of hate.

That’s not something a “good guy” does and it had zero to do with political shit flinging. He was mad he was being called out for his double standards and used his power on this board to set me up to get hate from other users.

Well I'm sorry that happened to you.  Also sorry for the thread drift.  Carry on.

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Would need to see more context.  I can imagine seeing the same actions of that police officer if he was telling a couple of his guys, who were being overrun, to fall back.  Note that we cannot see father to the left, where said officers MIGHT be.

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9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

I moved the convo here because the nature of our disagreement is political and you're making arguments in bad faith to hide that.

The woman wasn't killed at the perimeter of the Capitol, not along a fence, not in the streets in front of it. She was deep inside the capitol, past several lines of defenses, trying to break into a secured area holding multiple elected officials.

The Capitol is a secured area - normal folks are NOT allowed to carry firearms in there. There were multiple people in that mob arrested for carrying LOADED FIREARMS WITH AN EXTRA MAG into the fucking Capitol.

Do you think secret fucking service agents are just fucking around waiting to find out? No, they are there as a last line of defense against fucking crazy people trying to cause harm to elected officials.

This dead woman had just about every fucking possible sign post to stand the fuck down - orders of magnitude more than was offered to the BLM folks. She was even told by the people next to her that GUNS WERE POINTED AT HER but she chose to go through anyways.

I don't know how you can compare this dead woman to BLM people in any way, shape, or form.

and @TwiceHorn

That woman getting shot was her fault.

  • She traveled from California with the intent to cause civil unrest.
  • She crossed a barricade to keep people out of the Capitol Grounds.
  • She crossed the threshold of the steps and another barricade outside the building.
  • She illegally entered the building through a locked door or broken window.
  • She pushed her way past guards in the building.
  • She attempted to get to the chambers where at least the top 3 in line of succession (Pence, Pelosi, Grassley) and the next VP were.  
  • This was an attempt to follow through on the threats in Michigan to capture the political leadership, hold them hostage, put on a mock trial and potentially execute them (symbolized by the gallows outside).
  • If anything, the capitol police and secret service did not shoot soon enough.  Sure they showed great restraint, but should they have?  One shot means that guy was a pro at his job. 
  • Even then there was minimal loss of life only because the rioters/terrorists paused when the first one was shot long enough for the leaders to evacuate. Not because they realized they were wrong.
  • Because of this I think her death was necessary to prevent further loss of life and buy time for the evacuation.

The charges need to go beyond the illegal entry and destruction of property to include sedition, treason, domestic terrorism, they should also have the charges amplified (Need right legal word) for someone dying in the act of committing those crimes.  Those with firearms should face the potential for capital punishment.

No half-measures or they will be emboldened.  Trump said it himself, you have to show them strength. Use Trumps order on protecting federal buildings and get the 10 year felony convictions.  No voting, no gun ownership, add them to federal domestic terrorist watch list, no government jobs or contracts.  Make them examples and personae non-grata.

 

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11 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Yeah, recently found out his nickname for my daughter while she was in high school was "Tits on a stick".

I thought about shooting him, but his current employer is Houston Police Department.  Not worth the trouble.

 

That's fucked up...the nickname.

Sometimes it's better just to be grateful someone shows you that side of themselves so you aren't caught off guard when it counts.

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5 minutes ago, 27-25 said:

Would need to see more context.  I can imagine seeing the same actions of that police officer if he was telling a couple of his guys, who were being overrun, to fall back.  Note that we cannot see father to the left, where said officers MIGHT be.

Yeah, as soon as the video zoomed in so that we could not see who the cop was motioning to my Spidey-sense started tingling. If he is truly motioning insurgents towards the Capitol, then yeah, fuck him. 

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3 hours ago, Dr. Teeth said:

Not just them. We just had an election where he had 74 million voters. I don't think yesterday changed anything. We want to believe it did. Pelosi thinks it did. It didn't. They likely will win the House in 2022. The people involved in yesterday's insurrection are the frontrunners for their party's nomination in 2024. They will get no less than 47% of the popular vote. One side is preparing for war and the other side is saying that they shouldn't. We need to bring the bazooka to this fight.

If a large group of people storm the US Capitol carrying YOLADU flags and I stay silent and don't condemn it , you can safely assume I endorse it and am pretty pleased it happened.

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15 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Please. Watch this video and tell me that you wouldn't use deadly force to defend your home if you were in that situation. If you would use deadly force to stop that woman coming into your home, then why isn't the fucking CONSTITUTIONAL LINE OF PRESIDENTIAL SUCCESSION worth using deadly force to defend from an invader?

(warning: death)

https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/ksgvin/hes_got_a_gun_synced_videos_showing_woman_not/

best thing I got out of that thread was the new term "Yall-Qaeda".

Jesus Christ, this country....

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1 minute ago, fakebusiness said:

It's weird seeing the bootlickers coming out of the wordwork saying that unarmed woman should have been killed.

She shouldn't have. She should have been stopped outside the capitol grounds before she tested the oath of a secret service agent

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1 minute ago, fakebusiness said:

It's weird seeing the bootlickers coming out of the wordwork saying that unarmed woman should have been killed.

You aren't gonna find a lot of cop lovers here.  But if your dumbass decides to go drunk bama fan from the top ropes up against an area that the secret service is securing to protect the line of succession during a riot in the capitol, and you get your ass shot in the face, you fucked around and found out.  

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