The US Capitol has been Breached [News]

[washparkhorn 9935]

39 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

So, the Capitol insurrectionists.... are they still considered to be terrorists or to be treated like common criminals? I’m kinda confused about all the terminology being flung around.

"None dare call it treason" doesn't apply anymore?

But of course this was a right-wing storming of the Capitol.  John Birchers excuse that type of treason, I suppose.

[Armybrat 40732]

You could say storming any government building was treason, nest say paw?

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Armybrat said:

So, the Capitol insurrectionists.... are they still considered to be terrorists or to be treated like common criminals? I’m kinda confused about all the terminology being flung around.

Rosenberg and her cohorts were clearly engaged in terrorism/treason/criminality. The Capitol insurrectionistas who made death threats certainly could be classified as such, but most of the remaining mob appeared to be nothing but trespassing tourists. The ones who broke shit up and desecrated government property are nothing but criminal vandals. The ones who assaulted cops should go to prison and serve their full sentences.

In the end though, it would be karma to see Bison Boy being pardoned/commuted and wind up hired as an adjunct professor of rabble-rousing at A&M or Liberty University. 

There were all kinds of idiots who either stormed or walked in to the capitol that day depending on when they arrived at the doors and where. They are all criminals though. Some much worse than others. 

[Armybrat 40732]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

There were all kinds of idiots who either stormed or walked in to the capitol that day depending on when they arrived at the doors and where. They are all criminals though. Some much worse than others. 

Totally agree. Even the least egregious were a bunch of unruly assholes, IMO.

[washparkhorn 9935]

2 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

You could say storming any government building was treason, nest say paw?

One could, I suppose, with sloppy thinking.  

But the word is used appropriately when armed insurrectionists storm the capitol in a coordinated effort to halt a Constitutionally required session of Congress to transition power from one President to the next after an election.

Just a tad bit more important, dont-cha think?

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Totally agree. Even the least egregious were a bunch of unruly assholes, IMO.

My guess is a large part of the crowd watching trump speak was in the dipshit naive category. Then once that mob got close to the capitol the actual insurrectionists took over and using the crowd broke through the police lines allowing everyone to enter.

[Guest Lobo]

6 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

There were all kinds of idiots who either stormed or walked in to the capitol that day depending on when they arrived at the doors and where. They are all criminals though. Some much worse than others. 

So if somebody were to go on a killing spree and shoot several of these insurrectionist in various places around the American South where those people still live.  Could that person claim that they were tempted to commit treasonous insurrection on their own government as well by these actual capital stormers?  Could that person then say they reached the end of their rope, were having a bad day, and decided to shoot some of these capital assaulters to remove that temptation...and that their murderous spree had nothing to do with politics or almost all of the capital insurrectionists being White?  Is that justifiable?  

[JimmyJames 12271]

This was a coordinated attack. We’re the vast majority of the trump supporters there a part of that? Of course not. But the actual insurrectionists needed the pawns to have enough numbers to allow them the means to breach the capitol itself. 
 

They succeeded in doing that. They failed to kill pence though or any other congressman. So eventually it was called off and the coup attempt was a failure. 

[Armybrat 40732]

2 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

One could, I suppose, with sloppy thinking.  

But the word is used appropriately when armed insurrectionists storm the capitol in a coordinated effort to halt a Constitutionally required session of Congress to transition power from one President to the next after an election.

Just a tad bit more important, dont-cha think?

That is true for those who were attempting to do just that.
But was that the intent of everyone who walked into the building, or were some only there to protest the proceedings, just like we have seen numerous times from various activists interrupting congressional activity?

[Armybrat 40732]

6 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

My guess is a large part of the crowd watching trump speak was in the dipshit naive category. Then once that mob got close to the capitol the actual insurrectionists took over and using the crowd broke through the police lines allowing everyone to enter.

Yep, that’s the way it looked. The extremists used the useful idiots as cover.

[washparkhorn 9935]

1 minute ago, Armybrat said:

That is true for those who were attempting to do just that.
But was that the intent of everyone who walked into the building, or were some only there to protest the proceedings, just like we have seen numerous times from various activists interrupting congressional activity?

Did their support provide material to traitors seeking to stop the Constitutionally mandated transfer of power after an election? If proven, they are guilty like a getaway driver would be guilty for the underlying crime of bank robbery. 

Those you want to absolve were a force multiplier for the hard core traitors and they were working under marching orders from the podium speakers before the insurrectionists moved to the Capitol building. 

[Armybrat 40732]

That’s stretching it quite a bit, as there were probably plenty of the rabble who had no idea what the extremist activists were planning. For the record, I don’t know anyone who was involved in that embarrassment.

[JimmyJames 12271]

The 12th amendment of the constitution states:

“The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted; -- The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President”

Well good old mike pence was the president of the senate. If he ain’t around anymore to open all the certificates then what? I guess that is what they were banking on. 
 

I think it’s moronic but there’s a reason why they were hunting specifically for Pence and Pelosi. 

[washparkhorn 9935]

11 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

That’s stretching it quite a bit, as there were probably plenty of the rabble who had no idea what the extremist activists were planning. For the record, I don’t know anyone who was involved in that embarrassment.

Who knows. The insurrectionists had a plan. They had been openly promoting their plan on Fox and elsewhere. I say we believe their words. The rabble did their part to further the plan. 

A jury of their peers will decide on (most likely) lesser crimes for these rabble, but there is no doubt in my mind they furthered the plans of those who came there to stop the Constitutional transfer of power. As did those who were on the podiums encouraging the insurrection. 

Edited March 20, 2021 by washparkhorn

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Imagine the crowd being a mix of “Muslim protestors” and “Muslim terrorists”.

Now imagine how many fucks would be given trying to differentiate between the two.

[Guest Lobo]

Empowered Stupidity in the form of idiotic sheep mindlessly driven from one pen to the other on January 6th in order to accomplish something shitty on behalf their only slightly less-idiotic insurrectionist leaders.  If you think about it, the perfect ending to one of the darkest chapters in American History.  I hereby endorse this new narrative! 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Lobo

[washparkhorn 9935]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Empowered Weaponized Stupidity on January 6th

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the useful idoits furthered the aims of the plotters. 

[Armybrat 40732]

15 hours ago, Lobo said:

Empowered Stupidity in the form of idiotic sheep mindlessly driven from one pen to the other on January 6th in order to accomplish something shitty on behalf their only slightly less-idiotic insurrectionist leaders.  If you think about it, the perfect ending to one of the darkest chapters in American History.  I hereby endorse this new narrative! 

There certainly is no shortage of that all over this country in all walks of life & persuasions.

[GW Hayduke 1952]

The New York Times obtained recordings of police communications from Jan 6 and synced it to video.  It provides the perspective of frontline police and the supervisors immediately directing them.  Worth a watch. Nine minutes in length. Hopefully, this will dispel some of the disinformation pushed immediately after the siege on twitter and shared here that tried to show police as complicit by video of protesters passing through inconsequential barricades.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000007655234/weve-lost-the-line-radio-traffic-reveals-police-under-siege-at-capitol.html?playlistId=video/2020-Elections

[Armybrat 40732]

Have they determined why there was so little security around the Capitol in spite of all the warnings about potential violence from the extremists?

[GW Hayduke 1952]

12 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Have they determined why there was so little security around the Capitol in spite of all the warnings about potential violence from the extremists?

The House and Senate held hearings on that topic earlier this month.  I don't think a singular reason was established for why they weren't prepared for the insurrectionists.  Since then, the House and Senate have been tied up with fixing the economy.  I understand there will be an independent commision in the House to look into that question.  

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/politics/what-congressional-hearings-have-revealed-so-far-about-capitol-riot-failures/2570332/

[Guest Lobo]

It was a logic fallacy circle jerk.  We know everybody was late.  We know everybody was unprepared.  We know everybody was understaffed.  We know everybody was too far away.  We know there is a breakdown in command.  We know there was a breakdown in communication.  We know there was a failure to execute the protective mission in a timely fashion.  We know people died as a result.  We know a helluva lot more people were minutes away from death.  The hearings were just a redundant circle jerk pouring over every minute of the assault in excruciating detail.  And then basically Democrats standing up at the end and saying, "This is an outrage against the Republic!  Not one Member of Congress will rest for one moment...until we've learned who is responsible for these gaps in command and preparation, and prosecute them for treason!  Now let's break for recess."  And they've basically been patting each other on the back ever since.  

[Ten Bears 2479]

4 hours ago, Armybrat said:

There certainly is no shortage of that all over this country in all walks of life & persuasions.

Both sides!

[scottsins 1953]

On 3/20/2021 at 2:40 PM, Armybrat said:

That is true for those who were attempting to do just that.
But was that the intent of everyone who walked into the building, or were some only there to protest the proceedings, just like we have seen numerous times from various activists interrupting congressional activity?

The law on intent does not ask the question "were they actually thinking this?"  Intent is proven objectively, not subjectively.

[Armybrat 40732]

From what little I’ve read, some of them expressed their intent very clearly with the threats they apparently made on social media. 

[atomheartbevo 89413]

On 3/20/2021 at 2:55 PM, Armybrat said:

That’s stretching it quite a bit, as there were probably plenty of the rabble who had no idea what the extremist activists were planning. 

On 3/20/2021 at 3:06 PM, washparkhorn said:

Who knows. The insurrectionists had a plan. They had been openly promoting their plan on Fox and elsewhere. I say we believe their words. The rabble did their part to further the plan. 

12 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

From what little I’ve read, some of them expressed their intent very clearly with the threats they apparently made on social media. 

A bunch of the organizers/insurrectionists were posting like crazy on various social media platforms, and they made sure everybody knew what they were going to storm the Capitol (and "storm" is a word that is a huge part of their mythos),  and they wanted everybody to know how brave they were, and they really needed the likes and clicks.

But they definitely needed those hundreds/thousands of Karens who just wanted to speak to the manager.  Without those Karens, they don't get inside.

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89413]

On 3/20/2021 at 3:15 PM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Imagine the crowd being a mix of “Muslim"

The body count would have been more than 6 people.

[staboner 4957]

holy hedging batman.

motion to rename Daily Texan to 'Having a bad day'

Edited March 21, 2021 by staboner

[staboner 4957]

On 3/21/2021 at 7:15 AM, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Imagine the crowd being a mix of “Muslim protestors” and “Muslim terrorists”.

Now imagine how many fucks would be given trying to differentiate between the two.

imagine just about anything. shit the other day i had a bad day - think about it. i mean it may just happen. to fucking find myself anywhere near an unruly mob I mean just think about it! i can't be responsible. all buildings matter.

 

[atomheartbevo 89413]

3 hours ago, staboner said:

to fucking find myself anywhere near an unruly mob

An unruly mob that was putting their own shit on full blast on social media, bragging about what crimes they were going to break, or were breaking.

And for an unruly mob, a lot of them put a shitload of effort into the location and timing for capturing the perfect selfie, only for law enforcement to use it against them.

Edited March 22, 2021 by atomheartbevo

[GW Hayduke 1952]

Lead prosecutor describing the charging situation against the insurrectionists.  

 

 

[Guest Lobo]

^

Powerful stuff.  

I saw a poll that indicated 80% of certain political supporters do not know that the U.S. Capitol where the House of Representatives and Senate are located, is the American 'Seat of Government.'  A powerful and meaningful title in Western Democracies.   Rather, they think it's the White House/Oval Office.  Which would help to explain why assaulting it seemed justified.  

Yeah, yeah...noCR.  It's important to understand what people view the U.S. Capitol as in order to understand the Insurrectional Breaching.  For the record, more 9/11 Islamic Terrorists understand the Capitol as the Seat of Government than do most Texans.  

[Doc Reeves 6434]

1 hour ago, GW Hayduke said:

Lead prosecutor describing the charging situation against the insurrectionists.  

 

 

Welp. Those shitheads are fucked.

 

[Armybrat 40732]

Well, self-inflicted for sure.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

3 hours ago, Lobo said:

^

Powerful stuff.  

I saw a poll that indicated 80% of certain political supporters do not know that the U.S. Capitol where the House of Representatives and Senate are located, is the American 'Seat of Government.'  A powerful and meaningful title in Western Democracies.   Rather, they think it's the White House/Oval Office.  Which would help to explain why assaulting it seemed justified.  

Yeah, yeah...noCR.  It's important to understand what people view the U.S. Capitol as in order to understand the Insurrectional Breaching.  For the record, more 9/11 Islamic Terrorists understand the Capitol as the Seat of Government than do most Texans.  

To be fair, Texans are used to their seat of government being on wheels

[MissingInAction 24811]

[Guest Lobo]

Another "breach" of the Capitol, this time an active mass shooting is afoot.  

Sign outside the Capitol fence proudly states, "This site has been insurrection free for '___86___' days.  Stay Safe, America!"  Q assures me that 86 days has a statistical significant from his time working in the kitchen at Chili's where he 86'd more than one executive order.  Can't wait to hear about brand of American stupidity this shooter adheres to.  

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

What?

[Willfully Horn 7913]

One dude brandished a knife after crashing barricades, and gets shot. Allegedly.

Edit: two cops were hit by the car;
driver in custody.

Edited April 2, 2021 by Willfully Horn
Crab

[clapclapclap 9000]

22 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Another "breach" of the Capitol, this time an active mass shooting is afoot.  

Not so much, running a car into a concrete barrier protecting the capitol then brandishing an AR-15 assault knife was as close as he got to an 'Active mass shooting'.  Though he was shot by security, and is reported to now be dead.

The loser idiot did hit 2 officers who were taken to the hospital, one in critical condition.

Congress was not in session.

 

 

Edited April 2, 2021 by clapclapclap

[Guest Lobo]

My bad, earlier report was he was shooting, not being shot.  That's what I get for listening to Newsmax.  

He was attacking the Capitol and its Police.  Hopefully he's not shot dead so we can learn from the vast expanse of his brain.  

sucks though because it had been 86 days since our last sacking.  14 more days, we would have gotten to go out for Friday margaritas. 

Thankfully, Congress was not in Session but I doubt this dipshit knew that.  Fuck, I know one Congresswoman who tacitly revealed this week she didn't know the difference between the House and Senate.  

Edited April 2, 2021 by Lobo

[Shaggy3.0 1695]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

My bad, earlier report was he was shooting, not being shot.  That's what I get for listening to Newsmax.  

He was attacking the Capitol and its Police.  Hopefully he's not shot dead so we can learn from the vast expanse of his brain.  

sucks though because it had been 86 days since our last sacking.  14 more days, we would have gotten to go out for Friday margaritas. 

Thankfully, Congress was not in Session but I doubt this dipshit knew that.  Fuck, I know one Congresswoman who tacitly revealed this week she didn't know the difference between the House and Senate.  

Actually, newsmax was correct. The shooter is dead.

Unfortunately, a cop also died.  RIP to the cop--prayers for his family. 

 

Fuck the shooter in the asshole.

 

 

[LongestHorn 759]

Knife wielding man was also a shooter?  I’m confused.

[clapclapclap 9000]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Can't wait to hear about brand of American stupidity this shooter adheres to.  

Your characterization, not mine.

 

Edited April 2, 2021 by clapclapclap
From In the Ana, so probably not an incel

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

[TriStone 1724]

18 minutes ago, LongestHorn said:

Knife wielding man was also a shooter?  I’m confused.

You run faster with the knife.

[mulletpelini 5209]

This guy obviously not paying attention.  If you want to make headlines, you better be an assault rifle toting trump supporting white guy.

[Guest Lobo]

^
Actually, that's no longer the case.  To truly grab social media headlines, you need to either be a realtor and/or from the DFW Metroplex. 

[Helobious 9480]

Suspect was a former D2 college football player. Social media posts had some religious ramblings. I guess he was a follower of Nation of Islam but his posts sure do quote bible verses a whole bunch.

[Guest Lobo]

Well yeah man, the Koran is just the first testament of the bible.  The second testament is called the Torah.  This famous guy that couldn't name one bible verse told me that.