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I really don’t know what you mean. I am appalled by this. And what is a happening today. Same as with destructive riots and burning down businesses. Appalled and disgusted. I don’t think you truly kno

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3 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Rarely.

i'll help you. the POTUS has done everything within his power (and outside of it) to subvert our democracy. this week, his 'patriots' stormed the capitol building, with his encouragement and blessing, with one goal: to stop the process of transferring power in the executive branch. again, they tried to destroy the foundation of our democracy, and in doing so people died. 

because of this blatant act of treason, the house is once again forced to try and save this republic from a completely unhinged lunatic criminal. and yet, despite all of the above, when they are forced to uphold their constitutional duty and try and save this country from said unhinged lunatic criminal you call THEM a Banana Republic.

you are completely insane.

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Did the Capitol Police chief give the orders to let them in?

Recall that the Cap Police are not under the Executive branch, nor DC government.  But Steven Sund, their police chief, who just resigned, came over a few years ago after 25 years with the DC Metropolitan Police.  Days before the riot, the Cap Police had refused beefed up help from the feds, just like the DC mayor refused most of it.

 

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/d-c-mayor-says-capitol-needed-more-robust-police-presence-after-rejecting-federal-assistance-pre-riot/

As the dust settled in the wake of pro-Trump rioters occupying the Capitol, D.C. mayor Muriel Bowser said Thursday that “what happened yesterday is textbook terrorism.” But Bowser is facing scrutiny for a Tuesday letter in which she told Justice Department and Pentagon leaders that the city would not need federal backup to handle protests...

 

...Bowser said that the Capitol police did not request additional police or guard before the protests, and that she does not have jurisdiction to send police or National Guard to Capitol Hill. “I think a more robust presence on the ground” would have maintained order, she explained. She placed blame for the inadequate law enforcement presence directly on the federal government and called on Congress to create a bipartisan commission to investigate the “catastrophic security failures.”

But on Tuesday, Bowser preemptively rebuffed federal reinforcements in a public letter to the Department of Justice, explaining that “the Metropolitan Police Department (MPD) is prepared for this week’s First Amendment activities...”

 

...The letter explained that the MPD was coordinating with “its federal partners, namely the US Park Police, US Capitol Police and the US Secret Service,” and that 340 members of the D.C. National Guard had been activated to address the upcoming protests....

 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/national-guard-unarmed-electoral-college-protests

DC National Guard will be unarmed for Electoral College protests after George Floyd failures

...Clapper said Mayor Muriel Bowser insisted that the 340 local Guard members who will help local law enforcement with traffic, crowd, and access control be unarmed.

Only Quick Response Force members, if specifically requested, would carry a baton and shield for personal protection.

“We've explicitly been told there is no weaponry of any kind for this mission,” Clapper said. “If anything came to that, yes, they would have to facilitate transportation back to the armory.”

Of the 340 activated Guard members, 115 would be on the street with traffic and crowd control at any one time, Clapper said. That leaves more than 200 that could potentially respond in a QRF capacity.

The District of Columbia National Guard was criticized this summer after it was called to assist law enforcement with clearing Lafayette Square of protesters near the White House prior to a curfew on June 1 so that President Trump could walk through the park for a photo opportunity.

Two National Guard helicopters flew low over protesters in an effort to disperse them, causing an incident that is still under Army investigation. The incident has been turned over to the Pentagon’s inspector general, but the findings have not been made public.

The Guard also wore inadequate identification and borrowed gear with the city's police markings, all issues Clapper said have been resolved ahead of the current mission.

'Not a civil disturbance mission'

Should civil disturbance occur surrounding the electoral ballot count, authorities in the city would have to request authorization from Army Secretary Ryan McCarthy for a change in the National Guard mission.

“This is not a civil disturbance mission for us,” Clapper said, drawing a distinction between the Guard response in June that encamped the entire 2,600-member force and summoned out-of-state Guard units, who remained nearby on the ready...

 

...In October, McCarthy defended the use of the Guard during violent protests in which some Guard members were injured.

“The protests became very violent,” McCarthy told Pentagon journalists at the time. “It was necessary to bring in the support to help local law enforcement and federal law enforcement officials due to the tremendous damage [and] police officers and Guardsmen being injured.”

National Guard Association spokesman John Goheen sees few parallels between the June events and the current activation. He pointed out that previous protesters were locals, while tens of thousands of expected protesters this week are expected to be out-of-town Trump supporters who are angry at the election results.

“There certainly is some anger,” he said. “Anger on the streets is not a good thing.”

He added: “What you can't allow is for those expressions of anger to turn violent, either to people or property. So those are your similarities, but you are talking about different groups here.”

Both officials assessed that the Metropolitan Police of the District of Columbia's intelligence was guiding decision-making at this early stage, monitoring social media chatter and messaging. 

Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio was arrested on Monday after he entered the district in connection with setting fire to a Black Lives Matter banner taken from a historic black church. He was also charged with two felony counts of possessing high-capacity magazines found when he was taken into custody.

Still, Clapper said, Washington's Guard members, who are among the most diverse units in the country with an estimated 50% minorities, will not wear helmets or security vests.

“They literally have a vest, and it's like a vest that somebody at Walmart would wear,” Clapper said. “Fingers crossed that nothing goes too crazy.”

 

On the Fed side, it took 1.5 hours for them to approve MD's request to send in their nat'l guard:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2021/01/07/maryland-governor-says-pentagon-repeatedly-denied-approval-to-send-national-guard-to-capitol/?sh=6a3d33856cb4

 

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45 minutes ago, Captainant said:

More things not quite lining up. How would the insurrectionists know where congressional leaders emergency locations are? They aren't published for exactly this reason. 

 


I would really hope one of those security people that were taking selfies didnt just tell a person who asked, but I wouldn’t put it past anything 

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Capitol Police have over 1800 badges on the force. They're one of the best funded police forces in the country. How did they have so few officers on the Capitol grounds, and why were they letting the seditionists into the Capitol?

Unless the clap is suggesting that they did so at the direction of mayor bowser? Can you clarify?

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1 hour ago, clapclapclap said:

Here's a difference.  Security shot an idiot white woman in the neck and killed her.  Did not shoot the Black BLM/Antifa organizer near her (who claims he was just inside the Capitol next to the lead insurgents breaking windows only to 'document' the event...and he was later interviewed on CNN by Anderson Cooper...)

That woman came up on barricaded doors with broken windows.  Beyond those doors, were multiple people in suits, with guns pointed at said doors.

She had two options:

1. Turn around and don't fuck with the happy fun ball serious-looking guys in suits with guns pointed her away.

2. Tap into her inner Leeroy Jenkins and go through the window.

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ehhh, he...she....who cares in 2021 amirite.

Yeah, she had mental health issues as evidenced by her being a follower of qanon.

But the people in suits guarding members in the line of succession to the Presidency have no way of knowing who she is, or that she was mentally ill, nor did they have the manpower to simply arrest her.

Nobody else rushed through that window after they popped her.  

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37 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:


I would really hope one of those security people that were taking selfies didnt just tell a person who asked, but I wouldn’t put it past anything 

There is video of them giving directions.

At first I thought maybe they are sending them the wrong way, but now I'm less naive.

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1 minute ago, Doc Reeves said:


Bitch needs to pay a fine for federal trespassing. 

There was actually an EO signed by trump earlier this summer to prosecute offenders to the fullest extent permitted under federal law for "the willful injury of federal property"

They all fucked around, and they all should find out. Hoist them by their orange leader's petard.

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2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

There was actually an EO signed by trump earlier this summer to prosecute offenders to the fullest extent permitted under federal law for "the willful injury of federal property"

They all fucked around, and they all should find out. Hoist them by their orange leader's petard.


This event is so incredibly aggy that I would imagine the universe would demand this happen. 

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15 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

This event is so incredibly aggy that I would imagine the universe would demand this happen. 

Honestly, aggy is the best description of this.

They are claiming they won some big championship, only a shit-ton of them are now being arrested, and losing jobs and being ostracized online.

The fact that it was a guy from Alabama that was loaded up with Molotov cocktails and guns is just icing on the cake.

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6 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Honestly, aggy is the best description of this.

They are claiming they won some big championship, only a shit-ton of them are now being arrested, and losing jobs and being ostracized online.

The fact that it was a guy from Alabama that was loaded up with Molotov cocktails and guns is just icing on the cake.


Silver linings. And I bet this guy made a fortune...

 

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1 hour ago, clapclapclap said:

No time for that Captain Rant, shouldn't you be doxing this terrorist?

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is the 'Goosebumps' girl all growns up or is that her mom?  

"ERMAHGERD, CAPITER FREGS!"  

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And a slightly less right leaning news source on police rejecting federal help:

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380

"Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter."

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9 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Lol poor little baby snowflake neg driveby, he must not like hearing about terrorists getting arrested and how the police aided and abetted an assault on our democracy

 

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Just like there Derka of politics. Lets make this topic all about you. 

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6 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

Just like there Derka of politics. Lets make this topic all about you. 

I'd prefer the thread to be about the armed traitorous insurrection in the cradle of our nation's democracy, but the DT folks prefer to reflect on how BRUTALLY the capitol police treated the red hats between giving them directions, opening doors, and holding their hands

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6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Fucking terrorists.

Fucking traitors.

Fucking white nationalists.

Fucking neo nazis.

 

Not every person in that mob was a label as terrible as those, but they all marched for the same cause under the same flags.

 

All of them that crossed the barricades were rioters.

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16 hours ago, DDD Dad said:


You must be new around here.

I'm new and I've already discovered the pervasive lemming like mindset here. You should never think much at all when posting at this site, other than to fit in. It reflects the general population. Drinking heavily would help when posting here. Essentially, you need to assume that this site consists of 13 year old boys divided into two or three cliques. 

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13 hours ago, Captainant said:

And a slightly less right leaning news source on police rejecting federal help:

https://apnews.com/article/capitol-police-reject-federal-help-9c39a4ddef0ab60a48828a07e4d03380

"Three days before supporters of President Donald Trump rioted at the Capitol, the Pentagon asked the U.S Capitol Police if it needed National Guard manpower. And as the mob descended on the building Wednesday, Justice Department leaders reached out to offer up FBI agents. The police turned them down both times, according to senior defense officials and two people familiar with the matter."

Slightly?

AP is probably the most unbiased outlet around.  If they spin, it's slightly left.

Also, there's a whole thread for the topic of the police response.  It probably deserves it.  A lot of conflicting information out there.

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3 hours ago, Restinmybones said:

I'm new and I've already discovered the pervasive lemming like mindset here. You should never think much at all when posting at this site, other than to fit in. It reflects the general population. Drinking heavily would help when posting here. Essentially, you need to assume that this site consists of 13 year old boys divided into two or three cliques. 

Ah yes, we need more deep thinking like:

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Please stop with you bullshit "oh I am such a deep thinker, everyone here is too quick to judge."

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4 hours ago, Restinmybones said:

I'm new and I've already discovered the pervasive lemming like mindset here. You should never think much at all when posting at this site, other than to fit in. It reflects the general population. Drinking heavily would help when posting here. Essentially, you need to assume that this site consists of 13 year old boys divided into two or three cliques. 

 

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