welcome back to the cloak room, surly conservatives

[hayden_horn 11402]

56 minutes ago, elfenix said:

hey nice to see you guys in here again maybe you can stop fucking up the rest of the board by leaving your political snail trails all over it kthxhi

 

Just now, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

more like idiotic thought crop dusting. stinks in here again

nah, they should be posting here. this is where the stink belongs. that's the whole point. 

i'm going to be aggressively moving threads here that get political. this board is where that belongs.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

 

nah, they should be posting here. this is where the stink belongs. that's the whole point. 

i'm going to be aggressively moving threads here that get political. this board is where that belongs.

[elfenix 34751]

6 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

nah, they should be posting here. this is where the stink belongs. that's the whole point. 

i'm going to be aggressively moving threads here that get political. this board is where that belongs.

you should ban repeat offenders from DT and from 6th street

[JimmyJames 12271]

19 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

nah, they should be posting here. this is where the stink belongs. that's the whole point. 

i'm going to be aggressively moving threads here that get political. this board is where that belongs.

Exactly. Those dude make political posts over there all the time they just choose their words more carefully to try to hide it. 

[hayden_horn 11402]

14 minutes ago, elfenix said:

you should ban repeat offenders from DT and from 6th street

need reports.

i can't be everywhere all the time. got to get some actual work done every once in awhile.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19305]

34 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

nah, they should be posting here. this is where the stink belongs. that's the whole point. 

i'm going to be aggressively moving threads here that get political. this board is where that belongs.

Will you also be aggressively giving timeouts when they are flat out trolling and adding nothing of substance?  Because that needs to happen.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19305]

12 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

need reports.

i can't be everywhere all the time. got to get some actual work done every once in awhile.

I just reported two of them. Honestly, it is the same group going round doing it.

[mchookem 16768]

37 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

 

nah, they should be posting here. this is where the stink belongs. that's the whole point. 

i'm going to be aggressively moving threads here that get political. this board is where that belongs.

yes it does, y'all should. so many 'no CR!!' crybabies yet totally CR everywhere else. 

[hayden_horn 11402]

4 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Will you also be aggressively giving timeouts when they are flat out trolling and adding nothing of substance?  Because that needs to happen.

yes, i'm getting tired of the bullshit. 

[atomheartbevo 90650]

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

nah, they should be posting here. this is where the stink belongs. that's the whole point. 

i'm going to be aggressively moving threads here that get political. this board is where that belongs.

The annoying thing is that they know they can take a DT thread they don't like or that triggers them in some way, and with one or two comments get it moved to here.

Edited November 24, 2021 by atomheartbevo

[hayden_horn 11402]

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

The annoying thing is that they know they can take a DT thread they don't like or that triggers them in some way, and with one or two comments get it moved to here.

it's not just them. 

[F250 29201]

1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

it's not just them. 

I still think that the best way to resolve message board disputes is having the opposing parties meet up in person for a fight officiated by a mod. A board I used to post on would do this. There was this militant atheist and youth pastor that would always get into it in threads until they were told to throw down. Youth pastor ended up choking out the atheist. They quit bickering after that.

[Guest]

alcohol is the solution.

[Longhorn_Fan68 34106]

1 minute ago, slorch said:

alcohol is the solution.

actually it's a compound

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

actually it's a compound

so these discussions will be known as compound fractures, eh?

[elfenix 34751]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

 

[Eastwood 4394]

2 hours ago, F250 said:

I still think that the best way to resolve message board disputes is having the opposing parties meet up in person for a fight officiated by a mod. A board I used to post on would do this. There was this militant atheist and youth pastor that would always get into it in threads until they were told to throw down. Youth pastor ended up choking out the atheist. They quit bickering after that.

In the infancy of the old board, I had a couple of posters that I bickered with constantly. Eventually we end up meeting at a tailgate, had beers together, and our internet interactions went from bitter bickering 100% of the time to actual discussions 50% of the time and just shooting the shit in random threads the other 50%. Humanizing a screen name goes a long way.

[Brisketexan 106899]

In the infancy of the old board, I had a couple of posters that I bickered with constantly. Eventually we end up meeting at a tailgate, had beers together, and our internet interactions went from bitter bickering 100% of the time to actual discussions 50% of the time and just shooting the shit in random threads the other 50%. Humanizing a screen name goes a long way.

Fuck you, commie.

[Ag with kids 581]

1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

actually it's a compound

Technically, it's a mixture...

[atomheartbevo 90650]

3 hours ago, F250 said:

I still think that the best way to resolve message board disputes is having the opposing parties meet up in person for a fight officiated by a mod. A board I used to post on would do this. There was this militant atheist and youth pastor that would always get into it in threads until they were told to throw down. Youth pastor ended up choking out the atheist. They quit bickering after that.

3 hours ago, slorch said:

alcohol is the solution.

Or just separate Daily Texan into two forums - Daily Texan/Current Events and Shooting the Shit.

[Ag with kids 581]

1 hour ago, Eastwood said:

In the infancy of the old board, I had a couple of posters that I bickered with constantly. Eventually we end up meeting at a tailgate, had beers together, and our internet interactions went from bitter bickering 100% of the time to actual discussions 50% of the time and just shooting the shit in random threads the other 50%. Humanizing a screen name goes a long way.

I rarely post on here (other than the Food & Travel board) because if I offer any kind of opinion or statement about politics, I tend to get told to go fuck myself, stupid aggy, rascist, fascist, etc...

Hence, I lurk.  I have, though, noticed a huge leftward shift of many of the posters that seemed to be on the center right of the political scale.  It's been interesting.

Take my view as you will....YMMV

Edited November 25, 2021 by Ag with kids
Happy TDay

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

I rarely post on here (other than the Food & Travel board) because if I offer any kind of opinion or statement about politics, I tend to get told to go fuck myself, stupid aggy, rascist, fascist, etc...

Hence, I lurk.  I have noticed a huge leftward shift of many of the posters that seemed to be on the center right of the political scale.  It's been interesting.

Take my view as you will....YMMV

It’s not a huge leftward shift. It’s that the republicans have shifted so far to the right that Adolf Hitler in hell thinks they’ve gone too far and it makes center right people appear liberal in comparison.

Its annoying that people like you don’t see that. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

I mean at least the nazis wanted to build roads. What do the republicans want to do? Better check out their platform to see. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

Say what you will about the tenets of national socialism dude. At least it’s an ethos.

[Ag with kids 581]

6 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

It’s not a huge leftward shift. It’s that the republicans have shifted so far to the right that Adolf Hitler in hell thinks they’ve gone too far and it makes center right people appear liberal in comparison.

Its annoying that people like you don’t see that. 

Could you list out these Republican/right shifts sticking strictly to policy issues?

[Eastwood 4394]

51 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Fuck you, commie.

6 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

I rarely post on here (other than the Food & Travel board) because if I offer any kind of opinion or statement about politics, I tend to get told to go fuck myself, stupid aggy, rascist, fascist, etc...

Hence, I lurk.  I have noticed a huge leftward shift of many of the posters that seemed to be on the center right of the political scale.  It's been interesting.

Take my view as you will....YMMV

I was one of the center right. Still am. A lot of people have gone way, way right. That includes many of my own family. I had a serious heart to heart with them a couple of months ago where I basically told them, "you guys raised me. You guys made me the man I am today. Those same people who raised me would be ashamed if I acted the way that people you are championing are acting. I hope you take that to heart because I am not seeing the people who raised me in you today."

There has been a large divergence from conservative Republicanism. I didn't go anywhere.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

11 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

It’s not a huge leftward shift. It’s that the republicans have shifted so far to the right that Adolf Hitler in hell thinks they’ve gone too far and it makes center right people appear liberal in comparison.

Its annoying that people like you don’t see that. 

Well, as one of the right-leaning people, it is also how fully devoid of actual policy is the GOP.  They never offer alternatives, they just oppose.

Further, so much of what passes for policy is just culture war, -ism, and sound bites.  And lies.  So many lies.

[Ag with kids 581]

Just now, Eastwood said:

I was one of the center right. Still am. A lot of people have gone way, way right. That includes many of my own family. I had a serious heart to heart with them a couple of months ago where I basically told them, "you guys raised me. You guys made me the man I am today. Those same people who raised me would be ashamed if I acted the way that people you are championing are acting. I hope you take that to heart because I am not seeing the people who raised me in you today."

There has been a large divergence from conservative Republicanism. I didn't go anywhere.

I haven't gone anywhere either.  But, I've got numerous friends that were center left and reasonable that now think full blown socialism is a good idea.

 

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Could you list out these Republican/right shifts sticking strictly to policy issues?

Dude. The Republican party has no platform whatsoever. Are you living under a rock? It’s just a cult of personality worshiping trump. Its the nazi party minus any real give a shit about country, whether fake or not. They just want to burn it down. 

Tell me what policy position they espouse I should bother to refute? Link the Republican Party platform and its positions.

Im starting to see why people call you an aggy moron, if In fact they do. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

I haven't gone anywhere either.  But, I've got numerous friends that were center left and reasonable that now think full blown socialism is a good idea.

 

Ok. You’re a dumbass. Got it.

Tell us what your former friends “full blown socialism “ actually entails. Unless it’s just a buzzword you heard on Fox. 

[TwiceHorn 32079]

17 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Could you list out these Republican/right shifts sticking strictly to policy issues?

The Republican/right offers no policy issues.  Just opposition to whatever the Democrats put up.

So, the debate and discussion has to center on the policy positions put forward by the left, because the right offers no alternative except to do nothing.

And much of the time, their justification for doing nothing is based on lies and distortion.

About the only valid justification for any of their opposition is that it costs money and might raise taxes.

That hasn't worked for me as a conservative for a long time, because I have thought most of the tax cuts to be foolish and have not been opposed to raising taxes, especially if the tax hike comes as some sort of fiscal responsibility "package," haha.  The GOP has zero real credibility when it comes to fiscal responsibility.

One of the things that really tore it for me was Obamacare repeal -- without any form of replacement.

Edited November 25, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[TwiceHorn 32079]

13 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

I haven't gone anywhere either.  But, I've got numerous friends that were center left and reasonable that now think full blown socialism is a good idea.

 

What is this "full blown socialism" you're speaking of?  Show your work.

I guess I missed the part where Bernie or AOC or Liz Warren or some "full blown socialist" proposed government ownership of the means of production.

 

Really, you underscore why thinking conservatves have dumped what passes for conservatism in this country these days by invoking "socialism."  Come on, man, that's just stupid.

Edited November 25, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Ag with kids 581]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

Dude. The Republican party has no platform whatsoever. Are you living under a rock? It’s just a cult of personality worshiping trump. Its the nazi party minus any real give a shit about country, whether fake or not. They just want to burn it down. 

Tell me what policy position they espouse I should bother to refute? Link the Republican Party platform and its positions.

Im starting to see why people call you an aggy moron, if In fact they do. 

a) Thank you for reinforcing why I don't post on CR much - even though I used to post a lot more on Shaggy/Hornfans.

ii) Just because you don't know what Republicans (or the right/libertarians) want doesn't mean I need to explain things to you.

3) Again, you've stated that the Republicans are the "nazi party minus any real give a shit about country".  It shouldn't be too hard to expound on the ACTUAL policies and positions that make them "nazis".  But, be specific.  Please don't just use platitudes.

IV) Godwin thanks you for invoking him...

[Ag with kids 581]

9 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Ok. You’re a dumbass. Got it.

Tell us what your former friends “full blown socialism “ actually entails. Unless it’s just a buzzword you heard on Fox. 

Well, I listen to NPR, so...

And I didn't say they were "former friends".  I'm not the kind of asshole that throws away friendship just because we have different views...

Edited November 25, 2021 by Ag with kids

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

a) Thank you for reinforcing why I don't post on CR much - even though I used to post a lot more on Shaggy/Hornfans.

ii) Just because you don't know what Republicans (or the right/libertarians) want doesn't mean I need to explain things to you.

3) Again, you've stated that the Republicans are the "nazi party minus any real give a shit about country".  It shouldn't be too hard to expound on the ACTUAL policies and positions that make them "nazis".  But, be specific.  Please don't just use platitudes.

IV) Godwin thanks you for invoking him...

Nice deflection. Maybe you should post here less because you don’t have anything to contribute apparently.

I asked you for the Republican Party policy positions that you wanted me to refute and you of course deflected because they simply do not exist.

[Ag with kids 581]

1 minute ago, JimmyJames said:

Nice deflection. Maybe you should post here less because you don’t have anything to contribute apparently.

I asked you for the Republican Party policy positions that you wanted me to refute and you of course deflected because they simply do not exist.

You're the one that stated "It’s that the republicans have shifted so far to the right that Adolf Hitler in hell thinks they’ve gone too far and it makes center right people appear liberal in comparison."

I asked you to clarify what these positions were.

Why should I have to do your homework for you?

JFC

[hobbes2702 13477]

26 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Could you list out these Republican/right shifts sticking strictly to policy issues?

Democracy, the peaceful transition of power, voting. Just to name a few

[atomheartbevo 90650]

24 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

I was one of the center right. Still am. A lot of people have gone way, way right. That includes many of my own family. I had a serious heart to heart with them a couple of months ago where I basically told them, "you guys raised me. You guys made me the man I am today. Those same people who raised me would be ashamed if I acted the way that people you are championing are acting. I hope you take that to heart because I am not seeing the people who raised me in you today."

There has been a large divergence from conservative Republicanism. I didn't go anywhere.

That's the thing.  I've had several relatives/friends pull the "you used to be a Republican, you used to campaign for Republicans, why'd you leave the party?"

I never left the part, it left me.  I'm still fairly close to having the same beliefs (I did have a Libertarian phase) I did 20 years ago, mixed in with a change of opinion over a few things that some Republicans want to turn into hills to die on, but otherwise I'm not far off from where I was 20 years ago.  

Well, one big change is I'm more than happy to acknowledge how many Republican policies aren't working with shit.  20 years ago, I was in my early 20s and still naive.  Now I see the same policies from when I was a kid still being touted, and still not working, and the politicians pushing those policies have done a good job of convincing far too many Republicans that someday these policies will work.

[hobbes2702 13477]

11 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

a) Thank you for reinforcing why I don't post on CR much - even though I used to post a lot more on Shaggy/Hornfans.

ii) Just because you don't know what Republicans (or the right/libertarians) want doesn't mean I need to explain things to you.

3) Again, you've stated that the Republicans are the "nazi party minus any real give a shit about country".  It shouldn't be too hard to expound on the ACTUAL policies and positions that make them "nazis".  But, be specific.  Please don't just use platitudes.

IV) Godwin thanks you for invoking him...

Post the Republican Party platform. Show us what they think. You might have a hard time finding it though…

[hobbes2702 13477]

5 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

You're the one that stated "It’s that the republicans have shifted so far to the right that Adolf Hitler in hell thinks they’ve gone too far and it makes center right people appear liberal in comparison."

I asked you to clarify what these positions were.

Why should I have to do your homework for you?

JFC

Immigration, abortion, voting rights, tax policy, federalism. Not to mention the three I listed above in my previous post.

[Ag with kids 581]

7 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Democracy, the peaceful transition of power, voting. Just to name a few

Nice list of vague talking points.

[atomheartbevo 90650]

20 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

ii) Just because you don't know what Republicans (or the right/libertarians) want doesn't mean I need to explain things to you.

I don't think you know what Republicans want either.

Hell, I don't even know if you could identify what makes a Republican a Republican these days.

I'm not bashing you by the way - right now, the GOP has officially decided to define itself by its loyalty to Trump, a guy who will join whatever party benefits him the most at the time, and who gives no shits about the GOP platform, no shits about having conservative values/morals.  A guy who will destroy the careers of actual lifelong Republicans who are far more conservative than he is, simply because he doesn't like what they said, or because they don't praise him enough.

What is a Republican these days?  Is it a Liz Cheney who for decades has been fairly hardline conservative, and has alienated her family because she doesn't think her sister should marry a woman? Apparently not, because she wasn't loyal enough to one man, and now the GOP wants her replaced.  Mitch McConnell who is the GOP personified, or William Barr, Trump's former AG and another Mr. GOP?  Nope, because former President Trump, and defacto head of the GOP is out there calling them both RINOs.

Right now the GOP has a bit of a purge going on, and it's not because they are arguing over the platform, it's about whether or not they are loyal to a single man, a former friend of the Clintons and who was a Democrat for years.

Edit: You have these Republicans who have been in office for decades, and all of the sudden there's a new crop of Republicans like Cawthorn, Boebert, MTG, Butthead Gaetz, who are coming in and they are deciding who is Republican and who isn't, and they are attacking plenty of old-school Republicans simply because those Republicans didn't buy into the cult of personality.  Hell, I kind of think Ted Cruz is the way he is, because he doesn't want an MTG/Boebert/Cawthorne crawling up his ass.

 

Edited November 25, 2021 by atomheartbevo

[jimmyjazz 47203]

2 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Nice list of vague talking points.

I eagerly await your detailed list of "full blown socialist" policies the Democrats are proposing.

What's good for the goose . . .

[Francisco 2.0 32594]

42 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Could you list out these Republican/right shifts sticking strictly to policy issues?

Could you?

Sub-question:  how many of these are not related to some kind of social issue, or trendy news event of the past week/month/year, or are some kind of convoluted application of...something (CRT, Sharia Law, etc).

 

 

[Ag with kids 581]

6 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Immigration, abortion, voting rights, tax policy, federalism. Not to mention the three I listed above in my previous post.

Again...vague talking points.  State the position of the Republicans and then give an explanation of why it's bad in your opinion.

I can post a list of things I disagree with the left on.  That's not difficult.

[Brisketexan 106899]

a) Thank you for reinforcing why I don't post on CR much - even though I used to post a lot more on Shaggy/Hornfans.
ii) Just because you don't know what Republicans (or the right/libertarians) want doesn't mean I need to explain things to you.
3) Again, you've stated that the Republicans are the "nazi party minus any real give a shit about country".  It shouldn't be too hard to expound on the ACTUAL policies and positions that make them "nazis".  But, be specific.  Please don't just use platitudes.
IV) Godwin thanks you for invoking him...

a) don’t be a coward.
ii) the cool thing is, I don’t have to guess. They literally published something that told us exactly what they think. It said, functionally, “whatever Trump wants.” Seriously, that was the stated party platform.
3) you want some? Ok - hollering about immigrants as the cause of literally all of our problems. Drugs? The economy? COVID? Blame immigrants! But wait, they don’t have a problem with LEGAL immigrants, just illegals. Wait, what’s that, they then shifted the goalposts and are working like hell to cut off legal immigration, too? Nazis marching in Charlottesville are good people? Supporters literally yelling “heil Trump?” An orchestrated campaign to delegitimize all media that doesn’t blindly support the regime, using the exact “lugenpresse” play the Nazis ran? Come on, man. This is going to get even more embarrassing for you, because I have 100 more of these.
IV) funny thing….Godwin himself said “nope, it’s cool, compare them to Nazis, it fits.”

Some of us have read a book or two. We know the plays and systems that authoritarians run on their rise to power, including the Nazis. And we’ve watched, with horror, as they’re being run again, right here at home. Even including the brown shirts and a violent attack on the legitimate government. Remember that one? That’s what your party has wrought. And do they own it, and try to make good? No. They double down. They call terrorists who literally attacked the heart of my government “tourists.” They fight any investigation or accountability.

If you stand with a party that supports those things, or at the very LEAST…those aren’t dealbreakers for you….then I know all I need to know about you.

I am a patriotic american. I love my country. And I hate - and I mean hate - those who attack it, and those who support, enable, and excuse them. You may as well be supporting, enabling, and excusing Al Qaeda.

I mean, if you want to know which “conservative values” I still hold dear, and why they mean that I hate the Republicans and those who support them. You fucking asked. I’m telling.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

15 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

That's the thing.  I've had several relatives/friends pull the "you used to be a Republican, you used to campaign for Republicans, why'd you leave the party?"

I never left the part, it left me.  I'm still fairly close to having the same beliefs (I did have a Libertarian phase) I did 20 years ago, mixed in with a change of opinion over a few things that some Republicans want to turn into hills to die on, but otherwise I'm not far off from where I was 20 years ago.  

Well, one big change is I'm more than happy to acknowledge how many Republican policies aren't working with shit.  20 years ago, I was in my early 20s and still naive.  Now I see the same policies from when I was a kid still being touted, and still not working, and the politicians pushing those policies have done a good job of convincing far too many Republicans that someday these policies will work.

Well-stated.  Some things, like "trickle down economics" and the attendant laissez faire attitude toward business regulation, that seemed plausible 20 years ago, have been a near-complete failure at anything but enriching the corporate classes.

Either side is going to spend money like a drunken sailor.  I am now more amenable to spending more of it on the people than on the corporations.

[hobbes2702 13477]

7 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Again...vague talking points.  State the position of the Republicans and then give an explanation of why it's bad in your opinion.

I can post a list of things I disagree with the left on.  That's not difficult.

Immigration, look at W and look now. Those aren’t vague talking points. You just appear to support a party without knowing anything about them. You can look up all of this pretty easily. You’ll have trouble finding policy positions for the party though. Do you know why that is?

[atomheartbevo 90650]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

Again...vague talking points.  State the position of the Republicans and then give an explanation of why it's bad in your opinion.

I can post a list of things I disagree with the left on.  That's not difficult.

#1 position of Republicans today:  Loyalty to Trump.

It took a fucking year for the RNC Chairwoman to publicly admit that Biden won, and that was only last week, all because she didn't want to upset Trump or his followers.

Spokeswoman for the GOP two days ago:

Quote

 

"As a leader of our party, defending President Trump and his record of achievement is critical to the GOP"