welcome back to the cloak room, surly conservatives

[fattyflattie 4,638]

2 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

Why would you need conservative courts?

Maybe some apropos bail for violent offenders so parade goers aren’t mowed down in cold blood?  Or the other half dozen murders that have happened in Houston of the last 6 months by felons out on “compassionate” bail.  I’ll let you guess what party each of the judges belong to. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

19 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

No.   Way different posting style.  

Yeah you’re probably right. 

[TwiceHorn 31,582]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Maybe some apropos bail for violent offenders so parade goers aren’t mowed down in cold blood?  Or the other half dozen murders that have happened in Houston of the last 6 months by felons out on “compassionate” bail.  I’ll let you guess what party each of the judges belong to. 

Do you actually know that?  Because I bet you don't.

Moreover, the thing that kicked off Harris County's bail reform was a 5th Circuit decision holding their cash bail system unconstitutional in 2018.  You cannot ask for a more conservative court than the 5th Circuit.  It's every right winger's masturbatory fantasy.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

16 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Uh no.  That's a 2021 decision with Roberts writing the opinion and Kav concurring.  It's a taking case that has almost zero to do with "legislating from the bench."  It held a California statue to be a per se taking, when the lower courts did not.  

Any case of a constitutional dimension that comes before the Supreme Court lacks a clear answer in the Constitution, or it wouldn't be there.  There are multiple "modes" of constitutional "interpretation" that masquerade as some wondrous, neutral, and just way of interpreting the document.  The key word being "masquerade."  More often that not, the justices employ their own biases, including partisan politics, to reach an answer they like.  Then they use procedural devices and interpretation modes to justify and rationalize their decisions.

Conservatives claim to like "originalist" interpretation because Scalia and some others have touted it.  What they really like are Scalia's decisions and they know jack shit about originalism, or whether it actually justifies his decisions or is just a smokescreen for a politically or personal bias driven decision.

Admit it.  You like Kav and Barrett because you think they'll overturn Roe v. Wade, but you have zero understanding of how that would actually happen.

Scalia was a very good writer, which actually counts. Plus I think he used to believe what he was saying and tried to apply his principles to that. Over time that faded. 

[TwiceHorn 31,582]

11 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Scalia was a very good writer, which actually counts. Plus I think he used to believe what he was saying and tried to apply his principles to that. Over time that faded. 

Absolutely true.  He was masterful at making his decisions appear to be  logical and interpretive tours de force.  But if you look at it really carefully, there are some leaps and bounds and decision points that aren't dictated by anything other than basically his whim or bias.

The "shadow docket" decision not to enjoin the SB 8 is a great example of using procedural gobbledygook to mask a poltically driven decision.  They claimed that it would be helpful and possibly even necessary to let issues of standing wend their way through the lower courts before making any decision, even a preliminary one.  All of that was true, as far as it went.

But it also completely ignored a fundamental principle of injunctive relief:  to maintain the status quo ante, which was that women in Texas had the right to an abortion through the first trimester under settled precedent.  And that status quo should have been maintained while those other issues were sorted out in the cases pending in the lower courts.

Edited November 26, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[fattyflattie 4,638]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Do you actually know that?  Because I bet you don't.

I’ll check on it when the whiskey dies off but I’m certain I’ve either read or listened via local radio that Harris county is batting nearly batting 1.000 on D judges since the year Hildalgo was voted in. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Absolutely true.  He was masterful at making his decisions appear to be  logical and interpretive tours de force.  But if you look at it really carefully, there are some leaps and bounds and decision points that aren't dictated by anything other than basically his whim or bias.

Yep. Like I said. The dude could write. 
 

In comparison Thomas and Kennedy sucked. Thomas never belonged on the court and Kennedy is the biggest corporate hack in history despite his rep as a moderate. His opinions always followed corporate America’s whims and desires including his so called moderate opinions. He wrote citizens United, which will always be his legacy. 

[Bama Chick 28,596]

This is it, folks. This is the cognitive dissonance that is destroying our country. A cop was literally beat to death with the American flag on the Capitol steps and this guy is arguing that it doesn't count as an armed insurrection because they didn't have guns.

I’m way behind but hey [mention]Bravo [/mention]

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/11/22/man-charged-loaded-firearm-capitol-riot-523178



https://www.cbsnews.com/news/january-6-capitol-riot-firearm-guy-reffitt/



And do we not count Molotov cocktails as arms?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/12/politics/january-6-defendant-pleaded-guilty-molotov-cocktails-guns/index.html



Are homemade bombs considered arms?

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/09/1035402389/the-fbi-releases-new-video-of-the-suspect-who-planted-bombs-before-the-capitol-r

[Jhawkmvp 1,505]

15 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

Making money on crypto isn’t embarrassing. Bragging about it on a message board is especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic being discussed (I admit that’s hard to decipher on this one) or the subject of the board.
 

It’s like landing in the baseball board on the thread talking about the rangers and announcing you just won 10k at the track. 

Crypto bros are the new vegans. They can't shut up about it and don't realize nobody else gives a shit.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,588]

Someday I'm going to take a Hawaiian vacation and spend it posting on surlyhorns.com. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

17 minutes ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Someday I'm going to take a Hawaiian vacation and spend it posting on surlyhorns.com. 

Just don’t post a pic in front of a empty pool in blackface. Twitter will disapprove.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

5 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Don't hate me having fun while drunk at the pool. Sorry for partying. 

Post some pics or it didn’t happen.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,588]

38 minutes ago, Bravo said:

I only do this proof of life shit because I think the uber liberal CR cannot believe anyone who graduated from UT could ever be not liberal.

Mmm.... proof of life cannot believe liberal with UT degree cuz Hawaii.

Very well. Post wife/gf pics and socialism shall be slain. 

[wildcat09 29,429]

9 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

I loved tjhooker but he crapped out for unknown reasons. Very entertaining. I think the mods even deleted his threads at his request which was a shame, but oh well.

You have his same qualities but have a long way to go to reach his status. 

TJHooker was dumb enough to have his real name be his Twitter @, while using the nickname tjhooker. Someone found it and he freaked out about being doxxed or something.

[Neonmoon 38,130]

Where is that great link about how it’s impossible to change peoples political opinions because it’s like religious beliefs, it’s part of their identity? You cannot convince another person with facts their beliefs and identity is wrong. It’s who they are. 
 

this thread reminds me of that 

[TwiceHorn 31,582]

8 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

I’ll check on it when the whiskey dies off but I’m certain I’ve either read or listened via local radio that Harris county is batting nearly batting 1.000 on D judges since the year Hildalgo was voted in. 

In Texas, the political affiliation of judges is more arbitrary than other offices.  And, for many offenses, arraignments and bail decisions are made by appointed magistrates.

The unconstitutional system of bail in Harris County meant that for many/most offenses, judges looked up a number on a chart and that was it.  It made them lazy about bail decisions.  I feel rather certain that that same laziness carried over to the new system and that most of the bail decisions that people are outraged about are simple errors and laziness by the arraigning judge, rather than some "librul" by-product of "librul" bail policies.

[Pancho 45,076]

6 hours ago, Bravo said:

I only do this proof of life shit because I think the uber liberal CR cannot believe anyone who graduated from UT could ever be not liberal. 

This isn’t true. After graduating, I learned UT grads are more conservative than people thought. The problem is they conflate the graduates/fans with the city of Austin politically/culturally. 
 

I’ve said before on here that our fans/slums politically and culturally aren’t too far off from other SEC schools which is why we will fit in that conference pretty easily, whether that’s good or bad.

The Shaggy CR was pretty conservative.

[TwiceHorn 31,582]

4 minutes ago, Pancho said:

This isn’t true. After graduating, I learned UT grads are more conservative than people thought. The problem is they conflate the graduates/fans with the city of Austin politically/culturally. 
 

I’ve said before on here that our fans/slums politically and culturally aren’t too far off from other SEC schools which is why we will fit in that conference pretty easily, whether that’s good or bad.

The Shaggy CR was pretty conservative.

Like many or most universities, there is definitely a liberal presence on campus.  And it tends to be visible.  And sometimes on the more ridiculous end of liberalism.

For many students, that winds up reinforcing the conservatism they were raised with, rather than "turning them into liberals."  

I remained conservative for a good 20+ years after graduating.  But had become increasingly uncomfortable with the social conservatism that, in my mind, has little to do with governing and little place in government.  And it also was becoming apparent that many of the core conservative policies were failing the country as badly as the liberal policies that I was against.  And, they were not doing a thing to be fiscally conservative or to actually reduce the reach of government in people's daily affairs.

Obamacare was bad for me.  My last firm dissolved and I chose essentially to become self-employed rather than join another firm.  That put me on a COBRA for 18 months.  Well, Obamacare was more expensive than COBRA and I still wound up paying most of my medical expenses up to $7-8000.  It sucked and I hated it.  But I knew something had to be done about healthcare.  

When the Republicans voted umpteen times to repeal Obamacare, with absolutely nothing to take its place, I realized they weren't politicking in good faith anymore.  That began to rip the fabric of my conservatism.  Trump and the subsequent debasement absolutely tore it wide open.  Conservative ideas and philosophies are useless if they aren't deployed in anything resembling good faith.

[Pancho 45,076]

17 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Like many or most universities, there is definitely a liberal presence on campus.  And it tends to be visible.  And sometimes on the more ridiculous end of liberalism.

For many students, that winds up reinforcing the conservatism they were raised with, rather than "turning them into liberals."  

I remained conservative for a good 20+ years after graduating.  But had become increasingly uncomfortable with the social conservatism that, in my mind, has little to do with governing and little place in government.  And it also was becoming apparent that many of the core conservative policies were failing the country as badly as the liberal policies that I was against.  And, they were not doing a thing to be fiscally conservative or to actually reduce the reach of government in people's daily affairs.

Obamacare was bad for me.  My last firm dissolved and I chose essentially to become self-employed rather than join another firm.  That put me on a COBRA for 18 months.  Well, Obamacare was more expensive than COBRA and I still wound up paying most of my medical expenses up to $7-8000.  It sucked and I hated it.  But I knew something had to be done about healthcare.  

When the Republicans voted umpteen times to repeal Obamacare, with absolutely nothing to take its place, I realized they weren't politicking in good faith anymore.  That began to rip the fabric of my conservatism.  Trump and the subsequent debasement absolutely tore it wide open.  Conservative ideas and philosophies are useless if they aren't deployed in anything resembling good faith.

I often tell people I grew up in Gainesville, and Gainesville/Cooke County is one of the most red/conservative places in Texas.  I grew up with Rs.  I know Rs.  This current state is not the Republican Party I knew.  I just cannot understand how Republicans/conservatives from just 8-12 years ago can look at today’s Republican Party and say “yeah, I support them 100%.”

[TXSG8R 3,362]

You put a lot more thought into politics than I ever did early on. I was a single issue voter (military) and considered myself a fiscal conservative. I never aligned with the social pillars of the party and that’s probably why it was easier for me to shift away once the Obama election started exposing the polite racist side of the party that had been hiding in the shadows up until that point. 

What really opened my eyes to how much I opposed the party was working beside a born again Christian during the Obama years. I’m talking Glenn Beck socialism is everywhere kind of conservative. That’s the first time I was called a RINO and it had the opposite effect that was probably intended. So many dumb fucking arguments about common core being the vehicle big gov’t was using to socialism all the kids, and it’s clearly the start of taking guns and religion bro.  It’s all so exhausting and I’m amazed it has only gotten worse since 2008. Grievance politics works.

Edited November 26, 2021 by TXSG8R

[Ag with kids 581]

13 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

You mean like my point by point questioning of your response to twicehorn?

Sorry if I missed it.  I've got a ton of you responding to me and it probably got lost in the mess.  I'll try to go back and find it.

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

11 hours ago, Bravo said:

I have firmly established ... and hate all things aggy. 

...except for their politics, with which you fall in jack-booted lockstep.

[Ag with kids 581]

12 hours ago, hobbes2702 said:

So did you support Donald Trump attempting to overthrow the results of the election?

Did you support the Democratic Party's attempt to overthrow the results of the 2016 election?

[aggie08 21,559]

Just now, Ag with kids said:

Did you support the Democratic Party's attempt to overthrow the results of the 2016 election?

Stop. Fucking. Lying.

Jesus Christ, man. I'm assuming that you're here for the same reason that I am: because you'd rather shoot yourself in the dick than discuss sports, or literally anything else, with our more idiotic, mouth-breathing alumni who congregate on texags. Right now, the shit that you're spewing would fit right in.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

10 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Did you support the Democratic Party's attempt to overthrow the results of the 2016 election?

To the extent the actually did, no. 
 

But to compare that to what happened after the 2020 election is a joke. Are you being serious?

[Shaddie 1,651]

11 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Did you support the Democratic Party's attempt to overthrow the results of the 2016 election?

Show some proof that happened. 
You’re a troll. 

[JimmyJames 12,271]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

 

The Shaggy CR was pretty conservative.

The Shaggy CR was basically an Obama bash fest until Trump came along. By the time shaggy imploded it was actually pretty balanced. Surly has definitely been more democratic/liberal/progressive/anti trumplican.

[tchookem 3,919]

I often tell people I grew up in Gainesville, and Gainesville/Cooke County is one of the most red/conservative places in Texas.  I grew up with Rs.  I know Rs.  This current state is not the Republican Party I knew.  I just cannot understand how Republicans/conservatives from just 8-12 years ago can look at today’s Republican Party and say “yeah, I support them 100%.”

It's taken me some time to realize that many of those conservatives I thought were decent people... aren't... and they never were.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Pancho said:

I often tell people I grew up in Gainesville, and Gainesville/Cooke County is one of the most red/conservative places in Texas.  I grew up with Rs.  I know Rs.  This current state is not the Republican Party I knew.  I just cannot understand how Republicans/conservatives from just 8-12 years ago can look at today’s Republican Party and say “yeah, I support them 100%.”

I feel the same way, but for me it's been since W was in office.  We went from not having true conservative candidates to following a total clown show.  It's fucked up.

The people I know who support today's GOp 100% are generally Trump all the way.  I don't equate them with necessarily being conservatives.   In fact, I see them more as radical right wingers, if you can appreciate the difference there.

Edited November 26, 2021 by slorch

[Ag with kids 581]

12 hours ago, Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand said:

Per se

Absolutely the best meal I've ever had in my life.

If I could eat only one thing again in my life it would be the Oysters and Pearls...

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

3 minutes ago, tchookem said:

It's taken me some time to realize that many of those conservatives I thought were decent people... aren't... and they never were.

 

All it took for me to reach that conclusion was to see how popular Rush Limbaugh was. It wasn't so much his blatant hypocrisy, or his bald-faced lies, it was his rudeness. You just don't talk about people that way if you are a decent person.

Newt Gingrich was the natural result of that moral decay, and his depravity laid the groundwork for Donald Trump, who makes C. Montgomery Burns look like Mother Theresa.

[Ag with kids 581]

12 hours ago, Bravo said:

I've been accused of being 5 different people today. Can't wait for the next one. I'll blow your mind. What if I'm all of them or none of them? What if I'm a Russian bot? 

Come to TexAgs so you can be accused of being MFBarnes - The hardest working man in oil.

[jimmyjazz 46,251]

13 hours ago, Bravo said:

for stricter reading of the constitution from the bench and not legislating from it. 

Ah, a "stricter reading of the constitution".

So, no limits on restricting the right to vote based on gender or race?  Or are you OK with the 15th and 19th Amendments?

Just a hypothetical question, you know.

[Ag with kids 581]

27 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Stop. Fucking. Lying.

Jesus Christ, man. I'm assuming that you're here for the same reason that I am: because you'd rather shoot yourself in the dick than discuss sports, or literally anything else, with our more idiotic, mouth-breathing alumni who congregate on texags. Right now, the shit that you're spewing would fit right in.

The Democratic Party impeached the former POTUS.  If it had worked (conviction in Senate), the elected POTUS would have been removed from office.  That's pretty much overthrowing the results of the 2016 election.

And...yet another poster using insults, as if that does anything at all, other than making your arguments look weak. Turning to insults always do that.  But, you do you and BTHOLSU!

[jimmyjazz 46,251]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

The Democratic Party impeached the former POTUS.  If it had worked (conviction in Senate), the elected POTUS would have been removed from office.  That's pretty much overthrowing the results of the 2016 election.

It absolutely would NOT be "overthrowing the results of the 2016 election".  Where do you get this shit?

[Ag with kids 581]

23 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

Show some proof that happened. 
You’re a troll. 

Responded to someone else on this above.

[aggie08 21,559]

2 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

The Democratic Party impeached the former POTUS.  If it had worked (conviction in Senate), the elected POTUS would have been removed from office.  That's pretty much overthrowing the results of the 2016 election.

And...yet another poster using insults, as if that does anything at all, other than making your arguments look weak. Turning to insults always do that.  But, you do you and BTHOLSU!

Ah. So you're just trolling. Cool, cool.

[StassneyHorn 6,647]

4 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

The Democratic Party impeached the former POTUS.  If it had worked (conviction in Senate), the elected POTUS would have been removed from office.  That's pretty much overthrowing the results of the 2016 election.

Hahahahah. Please tell me you don’t work at Bell anymore.

[Ag with kids 581]

Just now, jimmyjazz said:

It absolutely would NOT be "overthrowing the results of the 2016 election".  Where do you get this shit?

Trump would be no longer be POTUS and that wouldn't overthrow the results of the 2016 election which was that the electorate wanted Trump to be POTUS?

[Ag with kids 581]

2 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Ah. So you're just trolling. Cool, cool.

You don't contribute much here other than insults from what I've seen.  At least I've discussed issues.

Have fun with all that hate.

[wildcat09 29,429]

Yes, the Dems just invented impeachment out of thin air in 2019.

[aggie08 21,559]

You guys remember when the GOP tried to "overthrow the results of the 1996 election" when they impeached a dude for getting a beej? Man, good times.

[tchookem 3,919]

The Shaggy CR was basically an Obama bash fest until Trump came along. By the time shaggy imploded it was actually pretty balanced. Surly has definitely been more democratic/liberal/progressive/anti trumplican.

Obama was a watershed moment for many of us conservatives. For me I saw the Tea Party and was initially on board. But gradually I saw the shift going from criticizing government bailouts to culture war BS. Throw in some anti-Obama racism (nooses, charactures, etc) and I got off that boat quickly.

But I still had the "Obamacare is unconstitutional. He's leading us to socialist ruin" fever. It was a minor case, but it was there.

Fast-forward through 8 years of criticizing criticizing bike helmets, spicy mustard requests, and tan suits. I see Obama as a decent man (no sketchy financial past, no women on the side). More important though, the world doesn't implode. Dare I say, did some policies actually work? I think that's what broke many people's brain. Some conservatives like me moved a little (or a lot) more to the middle. Others voted for Trump... twice.

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

3 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Trump would be no longer be POTUS and that wouldn't overthrow the results of the 2016 election which was that the electorate wanted Trump to be POTUS?

Impeachment means the duly elected President committed a crime for which he would be removed from office. Overthrowing an election means ignoring the actual votes and propping up your God-King on the basis of The Big Lie.

If you don't see the difference, go see a neurologist as soon as possible. Brain damage is highly likely.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Walden Ponderer
Typo.

[aggie08 21,559]

8 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

You don't contribute much here other than insults from what I've seen.  At least I've discussed issues.

Have fun with all that hate.

Calling you a troll is a compliment. It suggests that you're in on the joke of winding up all of us "libs." It implies foresight and some sense of humor. If you're not trolling--and the shit that you're saying is meant to be taken seriously--then you're just another brainwashed idiot.

And I don't hate you, man. I'll feel shame that the university that I used to love keeps churning out like-minded graduates with zero critical thinking skills.

Edited November 26, 2021 by aggie08

[lemonlime 5,503]

So Ag is now arguing about a Democratic plot to overturn the election by means specifically written in the Constitution to install, ummm, Mike Pence.  And then wonders why the Trumpublicans aren't respected.

[hobbes2702 13,082]

51 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

Did you support the Democratic Party's attempt to overthrow the results of the 2016 election?

That didn’t happen. Why don’t you try being honest?

[hobbes2702 13,082]

17 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

The Democratic Party impeached the former POTUS.  If it had worked (conviction in Senate), the elected POTUS would have been removed from office.  That's pretty much overthrowing the results of the 2016 election.

And...yet another poster using insults, as if that does anything at all, other than making your arguments look weak. Turning to insults always do that.  But, you do you and BTHOLSU!

Why was he impeached? Why are you so dishonest?

[Pancho 45,076]

19 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

The Democratic Party impeached the former POTUS.  If it had worked (conviction in Senate), the elected POTUS would have been removed from office.  That's pretty much overthrowing the results of the 2016 election.

!

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

2 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Why are you so dishonest?

Because he's a partisan hack. The very thing he accuses anyone who doesn't agree with him of being.

Every accusation is a confession in Trumpland; never forget.