welcome back to the cloak room, surly conservatives

[Texaspython 231]

33 minutes ago, Brothahorn said:

LOL, Happy Thanksgiving. If you even still believe in the holiday.

Probably one of those lil spoiled shits who grew up with all the trimmings and now can afford to be progressive. Enjoy your white privilege

Weird

[Sawbonz 28222]

5 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

But why don’t we? They are literally willing to do anything. 

In the grand scheme of things it’s a drop in the well. You want to make it a big deal but we both know it isn’t 

 

eta all detained illegals are offered the vaccine

Edited November 25, 2021 by Sawbonz

[StassneyHorn 6775]

Gonna be a lot of kids and wives staring at the floor tomorrow during y’all’s rants.

[Satoshi 129]

7 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

What are you a bookie?

I must have missed you talking about republican positions. Perhaps you could simply provide a link to the party platform instead. 

I’ve helped a good number of people make money and work towards financial security through bitcoin and other related investments. 
 

You’ve…contributed nothing. 
 

and I discussed Republican issues. You’ve ignored it. Whatever. 

[Satoshi 129]

2 minutes ago, StassneyHorn said:

Gonna be a lot of kids and wives staring at the floor tomorrow during y’all’s rants.

You’re wrong. Penelope refuses to see her family. 

9 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

In the grand scheme of things it’s a drop in the well. You want to make it a big deal but we both know it isn’t 

 

eta all detained illegals are offered the vaccine

But are they denied entry if they don’t take it? We take a more lenient approach to illegal immigrants than American citizens. 

Edited November 25, 2021 by Satoshi

[jimmyjazz 47203]

1 minute ago, Satoshi said:

 

But are they denied entry if they don’t take it? We take a more lenient approach to illegal immigrants than American citizens. 

We don't deny entry to unvaccinated US citizens.  You need to study up.

[wildcat09 29579]

“I’ve helped people save for retirement by persuading them to get into the Dutch tulip market!”

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

I’ve helped a good number of people make money and work towards financial security through bitcoin and other related investments. 
 

You’ve…contributed nothing. 
 

and I discussed Republican issues. You’ve ignored it. Whatever. 

Lol. Nice sales pitch. How much for the Honda Accord?

You still refuse to list the republican positions you support because they simply don’t exist. 

You keep trolling on GRUHorn.

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

“I’ve helped people save for retirement by persuading them to get into the Dutch tulip market!”

And I did it all on the net on surlyhorns!

[hobbes2702 13477]

37 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

The next person that tags a mod to a thread that isn’t a snowflake bitch will be the first. 

So you’re full of shit. And I didn’t ask a mod for help. And if you weren’t just a piece of shit troll you might have actually understood the joke.

[Captainant 28539]

Lmao I didn't realize GRUhorn thought so highly of his BTC and NFT hustles.

It is worth noting his apparent change of heart on vaccines though, I guess the multiple bans for anti-vaxx lies finally did him some good

[Satoshi 129]

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Lol. Nice sales pitch. How much for the Honda Accord?

You still refuse to list the republican positions you support because they simply don’t exist. 

You keep trolling on GRUHorn.

School choice, protecting second amendment rights, border security, deregulation, lower taxes, religious freedom, freedom of speech, defending the rights of the unborn, originalist legislative interpretation. Just off the top of my head. These things were all important before Trump and they’re important now. He just co-opted them. You’re wrong and loud about it, but that’s nothing new.

 

From a couple hours ago. 
 

10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

“I’ve helped people save for retirement by persuading them to get into the Dutch tulip market!”

You’ve fallen prey to a Calvinist psyop.   
 

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/there-never-was-real-tulip-fever-180964915/

 

[Satoshi 129]

10 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Lmao I didn't realize GRUhorn thought so highly of his BTC and NFT hustles.

It is worth noting his apparent change of heart on vaccines though, I guess the multiple bans for anti-vaxx lies finally did him some good

There’s no hustle other than I think it’s a fascinating area of technology and finance. And I’ve been posting about it here since it was maybe 5k. If you’ve been open minded enough to dip your toes in the water you’re up big. And I think ideologically it is was pursuing. 
 

As for vaccines, my two biggest positions are that natural immunity is roughly equivalent to the first round of vaccinations and that I’m anti mandate, especially in kids. These positions are not as extreme you try to make them sound.

Y’all have a happy Thanksgiving. Time to sign off. If you wanna come say hi I’ll be one of the suckers actually at the game with my family. Hook ‘em. 
 

Ps I’ve never pushed NFTs. I don’t own a single one.

Edited November 25, 2021 by Satoshi

[Passive Aggressive Coach 87]

15 minutes ago, Satoshi said:

School choice, protecting second amendment rights, border security, deregulation, lower taxes, religious freedom, freedom of speech, defending the rights of the unborn, originalist legislative interpretation. Just off the top of my head. These things were all important before Trump and they’re important now. He just co-opted them. You’re wrong and loud about it, but that’s nothing new.

 

From a couple hours ago. 
 

You’ve fallen prey to a Calvinist psyop.   
 

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/there-never-was-real-tulip-fever-180964915/

 

Don't bother. I've made life changing wealth in crypto. They'll never understand it so they fear it. BTW name checks out. 

Edited November 25, 2021 by Passive Aggressive Coach

[tchookem 3968]

I was one of the center right. Still am. A lot of people have gone way, way right. That includes many of my own family. I had a serious heart to heart with them a couple of months ago where I basically told them, "you guys raised me. You guys made me the man I am today. Those same people who raised me would be ashamed if I acted the way that people you are championing are acting. I hope you take that to heart because I am not seeing the people who raised me in you today."
There has been a large divergence from conservative Republicanism. I didn't go anywhere.

How is that going (if you don't mind me asking)?

[elfenix 34751]

i go drink and shoot the shit for a few hours and this thread blows up

[Biff Tannen 46168]

25 minutes ago, elfenix said:

i go drink and shoot the shit for a few hours and this thread blows up

This. What in the wide world of sports?

[tchookem 3968]

This. What in the wide world of sports?

@elfenix invited "conservatives" to show their ass... they obliged.

[bolverk 30325]

4 hours ago, Satoshi said:

They’re universally unvaxxed so they spread it more than anyone. 

This is an outright lie and par for the course for the most prolific poster of vaccination misinformation on this site. The stupid, hypocritical irony is you're now pro-vaccine for setting policy after months of downplaying its importance.

Data for percentage of fully vaxxed populations show Mexico is not much worse than Texas and better than most other southern states. If we're going to bar Mexicans from coming to Texas based on Covid concerns, I'd like to hold the rest of the South and northern plains accountable as well.

US: 59%

Texas: 54%

MEXICO: 50%

Tennessee: 49%

Georgia: 49%

Arkansas: 49%

Louisiana: 49%

North Dakota: 49%

Mississippi: 47%

Alabama: 46%

Wyoming: 45%

Idaho: 45%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html

[justhookit 4206]

First thread ever where I actually looked forward to reading Mrs. Whiggins posts and ignoring all the rest of the posts.

[Willfully Horn 8264]

“I accept the finality of the outcome, which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College” he (Gore) said. “And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.”
 

versus

 

“He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA,” Trump subsequently tweeted. “I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!”

 

Edited to remove invective.

Edited November 25, 2021 by Willfully Horn

[Neonmoon 38130]

7 hours ago, fattyflattie said:

What about it?  You get a fucking job, you have it. You hold out because the pay isn't becoming of your skills, or the meanies you serve aren't worth your mental health, or whatever bullshit excuse for not wanting to work, you don't.  Pretty simple shit.  When I'm contracting and it isn't provided for me as comp, I purchase it.  Really difficult concept, I know. 

So in your opinion, anyone who has a job should have healthcare? Correct? And anyone who doesn’t, should not have healthcare? 

[Guest]

7 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

In the grand scheme of things it’s a drop in the well. You want to make it a big deal but we both know it isn’t 

 

eta all detained illegals are offered the vaccine

Lolz.  The whole country has been "offered" the vaccine.

What seems to be the problem, then?

Oh, maybe the fact that there is a mandate for actual working people and seemingly no fucks given about people entyering the country illegally.

None of that shit matters though.  We're here for the world...

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

9 hours ago, immamac said:

He was just trolling. Didn't really mean it. 

That's the Republican platform in a nutshell. It's funny that a Bernie Bro like me can see so clearly that Brisket et al are still conservatives, but apologists for the moral cesspool that is the current iteration of the Rrpublican Party are clueless.

[immamac 44354]

Some of y'all's brains are broken

[52-80 19377]

if lizzie had invested money in crypto she wouldnt have been too poor to afford thanksgiving

 

[Shaddie 1684]

39 minutes ago, slorch said:

Oh, maybe the fact that there is a mandate for actual working people and seemingly no fucks given about people entyering the country illegally.

I am so confused. 
Are the illegals taking our jobs? If so wouldn’t a vax mandate work? 
So are the illegals stopping at border patrol stations and then refusing the vax? 
 

Quit watching Fox News and go down to the border yourself and see all the “overwhelming” hoardes coming over. 
I was in New Hampshire and a guy asked me about the border and I asked him did he get his info from Fox? 
 

He only wanted to talk about work after that. 

Edited November 25, 2021 by Shaddie

[JimmyJames 12271]

The trolls sure did like talking about crypto and how rich it’s made them. 
 

When do we start getting the cropped photos to prove it? That’s my favorite part. 

[TwiceHorn 32079]

2 hours ago, Willfully Horn said:

“I accept the finality of the outcome, which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College” he (Gore) said. “And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.”
 

versus

 

“He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA,” Trump subsequently tweeted. “I concede NOTHING! We have a long way to go. This was a RIGGED ELECTION!”

 

Edited to remove invective.

Yeah, Al Gore had something to complain about, for real.  But because he isn't a bitch boy demagogue, he did the right thing and STFU.

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 minutes ago, Bravo said:

You're a top 3 troll on this board. I read like 2 or 3 conservatives making legitimate points then immediately having 10 different nuts for the CR collective jumping all over them in a tizzy. 

BTW, I think it's funny you make fun of crypto and at the same time still can't believe my pic like it was photoshopped. Still bothering you. Your logic skills are not even ACC level. I take that back. 

Top 3? Damnit I thought I was number one. I’ll work on it. 
 

And I’m not making fun of crypto, which I agree can make you some money. I’m making fun of losers bragging on the net about how much money they supposedly make from it, where you went to school, how many supermodels you bang, etc. 

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

I am so confused. 
Are the illegals taking our jobs? If so wouldn’t a vax mandate work? 
So are the illegals stopping at border patrol stations and then refusing the vax? 
 

Quit watching Fox News and go down to the border yourself and see all the “overwhelming” hoardes coming over. 
I was in New Hampshire and a guy asked me about the border and I asked him did he get his info from Fox? 
 

He only wanted to talk about work after that. 

Lolz.  New Hampshire...

The Covid policies are inconsistent.   It's OK to admit it.   

[Sawbonz 28222]

1 hour ago, slorch said:

Lolz.  The whole country has been "offered" the vaccine.

What seems to be the problem, then?

Oh, maybe the fact that there is a mandate for actual working people and seemingly no fucks given about people entyering the country illegally.

None of that shit matters though.  We're here for the world...

I already said I would make it mandatory but complaining about it is stupid. >75M people vs < 100K. It’s next to nothing in comparison. Get the US to 99% vaccinated and it becomes relevant other than as a sound bite.
 

And a mandate has to have consequences for noncompliance. They’re already locked up and / or going to be deported what are you going to do to them for refusing? 

[Pam Cummings 9868]

30 minutes ago, Bravo said:

You're a top 3 troll on this board. I read like 2 or 3 conservatives making legitimate points then immediately having 10 different nuts from the CR collective jumping all over them in a tizzy. 

BTW, I think it's funny you make fun of crypto and at the same time still can't believe my pic like it was photoshopped. Still bothering you. Your logic skills are not even ACC level. I take that back. 

"They were making some good points"

What points? What good points were they making? Why do yall do this? You always frame things as happening a certain way when they clearly didnt.

"Little billy conservative pearl clutcher was making some GREAT points that were OWNING the libs before the mean democrats SHOUTED at him!"

Edited November 25, 2021 by Pam Cummings

[Neonmoon 38130]

3 minutes ago, Bravo said:

I read like 2 or 3 conservatives making legitimate points then immediately having 10 different nuts for the CR collective jumping all over them in a tizzy. 

 

This is the disconnect. You read their talking points as legitimate because you agree with them. You view any evidence to the contrary as being attacked. 

(Here is the difference between a talking point and a fact. “Healthcare should only be available for hardworking Americans, people with jobs”. Versus “

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/report/the-effects-of-medicaid-expansion-under-the-aca-updated-findings-from-a-literature-review/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6067811/
 

Quote

This system is regressive. The tax break for employer-sponsored health insurance is worth more to people making a lot of money than people making little. Let’s take a hypothetical married pediatrician with a couple of children living in Indiana who makes $125,000 (which is below average). Let’s also assume his family insurance plan costs $15,000 (which is below average as well).

The tax break the family would get for insurance is worth over $6,200. That’s far more than a similar-earning family would get in terms of a subsidy on the exchanges. The tax break alone could fund about two people on Medicaid. Moreover, the more one makes, the more one saves at the expense of more spending by the government. The less one makes, the less of a benefit one receives.

The system also induces people to spend more money on health insurance than other things, most likely increasing overall health care spending. This includes less employer spending on wages, and as health insurance premiums have increased sharply in the last 15 years or so, wages have been rather flat. Many economists believe that employer-sponsored health insurance is hurting Americans’ paychecks.

also here’s a nice little history of why we have job related healthcare in the first place. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/upshot/the-real-reason-the-us-has-employer-sponsored-health-insurance.html

 

I started discussing the 2016 Republican platform that a conservative finally posted after pages of being asked to, and most could not even engage on the topics like Homeownership because they either lacked the reading comprehension or knowledge to understand. Or they wanted to debate historical facts like the party switching of mostly Southern racists. 

I would LOVE to debate the Republican platform of corporate tax cuts create jobs. Please, please, let’s debate that. 

Or pick any other issue in the 2016 Republican platform.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6597]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

This is the disconnect. You read their talking points as legitimate because you agree with them. You view any evidence to the contrary as being attacked. 

(Here is the difference between a talking point and a fact. “Healthcare should only be available for hardworking Americans, people with jobs”. Versus “

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/report/the-effects-of-medicaid-expansion-under-the-aca-updated-findings-from-a-literature-review/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6067811/
 

also here’s a nice little history of why we have job related healthcare in the first place. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/upshot/the-real-reason-the-us-has-employer-sponsored-health-insurance.html

 

I started discussing the 2016 Republican platform that a conservative finally posted after pages of being asked to, and most could not even engage on the topics like Homeownership because they either lacked the reading comprehension or knowledge to understand. Or they wanted to debate historical facts like the party switching of mostly Southern racists. 

I would LOVE to debate the Republican platform of corporate tax cuts create jobs. Please, please, let’s debate that. 

Or pick any other issue in the 2016 Republican platform.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2016 Republican Platform?

 

 

 

[Sawbonz 28222]

8 hours ago, Satoshi said:

But are they denied entry if they don’t take it? We take a more lenient approach to illegal immigrants than American citizens

2 birds one stone: let’s have permanent guest worker status for anyone who has no felony and certain misdemeanor convictions and stipulation is they are vaccinated? 

 

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Let’s also assume his family insurance plan costs $15,000 (which is below average as well).

This is what should have the pitchforks out, not the relative tax advantage for each example. The pediatrician is getting fucked and we’re all getting fucked on the other guy’s plan. It’s 15k as well; the govt is directly funding the insurance companies through his subsidies

[Shaddie 1684]

11 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

a sound bite.
 

That is all they have.
 

They have been told to be “angry” about something. They don’t understand why they are angry but by God someone will pay for their anger. 

[52-80 19377]

Can we get back to talking about how we should be enraged about Thanksgiving groceries costing more because Albertsons are gouging people to prop up their stock prices ? 

[Guest]

22 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I already said I would make it mandatory but complaining about it is stupid. >75M people vs < 100K. It’s next to nothing in comparison. Get the US to 99% vaccinated and it becomes relevant other than as a sound bite.
 

And a mandate has to have consequences for noncompliance. They’re already locked up and / or going to be deported what are you going to do to them for refusing? 

POTD.

Sincerely, thank you for the laugh.

[Shaddie 1684]

10 minutes ago, Bravo said:

Project much? Read your post from the last 24 hrs. The anger is palpable. Oozes out of each post. Seriously, as I read your posts last night I was like this dude is one angry mofo. 

I am angry at people being willfully deceived. I am angry at people not getting vaxxed. I am angry people still think the election was stolen. 
 

Nobody told me to be angry. I have verified reasons to be angry. You should be angry about the same things. 

Edited November 25, 2021 by Shaddie

[lemonlime 5503]

2 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

So in your opinion, anyone who has a job should have healthcare? Correct? And anyone who doesn’t, should not have healthcare? 

Lol.  I'm old enough to remember when Obamacare was actually a Republican idea from Mitt Romney and then coopted by the Dems.  But now it's SoCiaLism.  Too tired to find Ag's post pages back saying that Republican party hasn't moved to the right.

[52-80 19377]

i like that cryptocurrency is somehow supposed to be in itself derisible and a source of embarassment.  like HAHA LOOK AT THAT GUY HE TALKS ABOUT NFT.  is this the digital version of reefer mania?

 

 

[Sawbonz 28222]

11 minutes ago, slorch said:

POTD.

Sincerely, thank you for the laugh.

Hilarious 

https://www.cato.org/blog/biden-administration-has-reduced-deportations-more-trump-administration-not-much-0

The number of monthly removals, also known as deportations, by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has dropped to 2,962 in April 2021 from a recent high of 28,118 in October 2019. President Trump’s changes in immigration enforcement policies can explain 90 percent of the drop in removals over that time while actions taken during the Biden administration can explain about 10 percent of the drop.

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, 52-80 said:

i like that cryptocurrency is somehow supposed to be in itself derisible and a source of embarassment.  like HAHA LOOK AT THAT GUY HE TALKS ABOUT NFT.  is this the digital version of reefer mania?

 

 

Making money on crypto isn’t embarrassing. Bragging about it on a message board is especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with the topic being discussed (I admit that’s hard to decipher on this one) or the subject of the board.
 

It’s like landing in the baseball board on the thread talking about the rangers and announcing you just won 10k at the track. 

[Brisketexan 106899]

I am angry at people being willfully deceived. I am angry at people not getting vaxxed. I am angry people still think the election was stolen. 
 
Nobody told me to be angry. I have verified reasons to be angry. You should be angry about the same things. 

I can hang my hat on one issue that will mean I am forever opposed to the GQP: they actively trafficked in, and continue to traffic in, the Big Lie and all that attends it, including a violent attack on the government of my country as it was performing a vital constitutional function.

I am am American all the way through my bones. I saw my country attacked on 9/11, and I was enraged. I saw who the attackers were, and their motivation by a perverse and insane ideology, and I was even more angry. I hate them. I hate those who created and supported them. I still hate those who support them, or excuse them.

I felt the exact same way the next time my country was violently attacked by perverse and insane terrorists, on Jan 6.

Both events attacked and destabilized my country, my republic. I have a strong interest in maintaining a stable, functioning republic.

Those are consistent, conservative, and patriotic reactions, based on consistent conservative and patriotic beliefs.

I have them. The GQP and its supporters and enablers do not - they CONTINUE to traffic in the Big Lie in ways both big and small. Many won’t admit that Trump lost. Functionally ALL use the existence of the Big Lie, which is not supported by ANY credible evidence, as an excuse to restrict the voting rights of their fellow Americans. And it goes on and on. The GQP is not conservative. It is a proto-fascist anti-American organization.

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I can hang my hat on one issue that will mean I am forever opposed to the GQP: they actively trafficked in, and continue to traffic in, the Big Lie and all that attends it, including a violent attack on the government of my country as it was performing a vital constitutional function.

I am am American all the way through my bones. I saw my country attacked on 9/11, and I was enraged. I saw who the attackers were, and their motivation by a perverse and insane ideology, and I was even more angry. I hate them. I hate those who created and supported them. I still hate those who support them, or excuse them.

I felt the exact same way the next time my country was violently attacked by perverse and insane terrorists, on Jan 6.

Both events attacked and destabilized my country, my republic. I have a strong interest in maintaining a stable, functioning republic.

Those are consistent, conservative, and patriotic reactions, based on consistent conservative and patriotic beliefs.

I have them. The GQP and its supporters and enablers do not - they CONTINUE to traffic in the Big Lie in ways both big and small. Many won’t admit that Trump lost. Functionally ALL use the existence of the Big Lie, which is not supported by ANY credible evidence, as an excuse to restrict the voting rights of their fellow Americans. And it goes on and on. The GQP is not conservative. It is a proto-fascist anti-American organization.

Extremely well said and much more eloquent than I could have ever put it. 
 

But you forgot to mention how much money you’ve made in crypto so far. Try to stay on topic. 

[hobbes2702 13477]

9 hours ago, Passive Aggressive Coach said:

Don't bother. I've made life changing wealth in crypto. They'll never understand it so they fear it. BTW name checks out. 

Yea I’m sure all these people who went to the premier institution in the state and one of the top schools in the country have so much trouble understanding Bitcoin. Fucking dunce

[DDD Dad 14650]

All u illegal immigrants phobia idiots. 
 
I have a SIL that has lived 15 minutes from the border for 40 years. 
In the last 5 years she is afraid of living there. 
 
Any guess what has changed?  

She started watching Fox News?

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

1 hour ago, Bravo said:

You're a top 3 troll on this board. I read like 2 or 3 conservatives making legitimate points then immediately having 10 different nuts from the CR collective jumping all over them in a tizzy. 

BTW, I think it's funny you make fun of crypto and at the same time still can't believe my pic like it was photoshopped. Still bothering you. Your logic skills are not even ACC level. I take that back. 

I don’t have a dog in this fight but being R and making fun of ACC logic skills?  Trump has less logic than a schizophrenic chihuahua on meth.  

[workswithseed 2204]

12 hours ago, Satoshi said:

They’re universally unvaxxed so they spread it more than anyone. 

I'd also come over for 450k for my kid and I.