welcome back to the cloak room, surly conservatives

[Ag with kids 581]

1 hour ago, TexArcher said:

You mean when one guy got into it with Secret Service during a protest?

You're comparing that to several thousand people breaking into the Capitol building hunting for the Vice President and United States Senators and assaulting police officers, killing one of them?

No offense, but you seem like an idiot.

Well that one guy must have been a bad ass since 60 Secret Service men were injured.  Maybe it was the rocks, bricks and bottles that ONE guy was throwing while attempting to gain access to the White House.

Or, maybe...there were more than just one guy.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-died-natural-causes

BTW, the Capitol Policeman died of natural causes according to the Medical Examiner. Now, there were some unnatural deaths, but they were on the protesters side.

BTW, I appreciate the insult - It's always good to debate with someone that uses those.  They bring so much information to the table...

Edited November 25, 2021 by Ag with kids

[aggie08 21379]

1 minute ago, workswithseed said:

 

https://nypost.com/2021/10/28/white-house-in-talks-to-pay-millions-to-families-separated-at-border/

You don't have to play dumb either.

They purposely separated children from their families with shitty (or zero) record keeping and no guarantee they'd be reunited ever again. If they could afford legal representation, we'd be on the hook for a hell of a lot more than 450k.

But to your ilk, that's considered a free lunch.

Fuck you.

[TexArcher 37455]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

Well that one guy must have been a bad ass since 60 Secret Service men were injured.  Maybe it was the rocks, bricks and bottles that ONE guy was throwing while attempting to gain access to the White House.

Or, maybe...there were more than just one guy.

[url]https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-died-natural-causes[/url]

BTW, the Capitol Policeman died of natural causes according to the Medical Examiner. Now, there were some unnatural deaths, but they were on the protesters side.

BTW, I appreciate the insult - It's always good to debate with someone that uses those.  They bring so much information to the table...

Well, sorry for being dismissive, but in fairness you are making a monumentally stupid analogy.  

The first problem with the constant "what-about-ism" from Republicans is that you can't possibly win.  The Republicans have been worse than the Democrats by every reasonable measure for many years, and that goes for their elected leaders and their everyday members.  Anyone who thinks otherwise consumes too much Fox News.

The other problem is that you think that using "what-about-ism" to earn a draw, were such a thing even possible, would constitute some sort of a valid defense for your team.  

There is no defending the modern GOP.  Anyone who tries is, no offense, an idiot.

[Ag with kids 581]

Just now, TexArcher said:

Well, sorry for being dismissive, but in fairness you are making a monumentally stupid analogy.  

The first problem with the constant "what-about-ism" from Republicans is that you can't possibly win.  The Republicans have been worse than the Democrats by every reasonable measure for many years, and that goes for their elected leaders and their everyday members.  Anyone who thinks otherwise consumes too much Fox News.

The other problem is that you think that using "what-about-ism" to earn a draw, were such a thing even possible, would constitute some sort of a valid defense for your team.  

There is no defending the modern GOP.  Anyone who tries is, no offense, an idiot.

Read the post I originally responded to.  Reading comprehension is key here to understanding what I posted.

And...insults.  Always the best way to win your argument.  Gosh.  You got me.

[VRHorn 718]

8 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I see why you have to be taxed to "give" money, i get that charities are a hard concept to get. Next you'll tell me you give, but when you do do ask a picture of the person you help to make fun of them? Do you laugh at the homeless? Those people debase themselves publicly every day in your eyes.

https://nypost.com/2021/10/28/white-house-in-talks-to-pay-millions-to-families-separated-at-border/

You don't have to play dumb either.

It has literally been 1 day since I donated to a charity, so swing and a miss on that one.

I don't laugh at the homeless, obviously, but it's nice that you see your needs as being as dire as theirs. You really are a repugnant person, but you don't exactly hide that, do you?

[TexArcher 37455]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

Read the post I originally responded to.  Reading comprehension is key here to understanding what I posted.

And...insults.  Always the best way to win your argument.  Gosh.  You got me.

Your take is insulting.

We don't have to agree.  Have a good day.

[Ag with kids 581]

1 minute ago, TexArcher said:

Your take is insulting.

We don't have to agree.  Have a good day.

Happy Thanksgiving!  Sincerely.

[TexArcher 37455]

Likewise!

[F250 28659]

LOL I hope all you fuckers keep these thoughts confined to this thread and don't share them with friends and family today.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[tchookem 3900]

Nevermind... mixed up posts.

[workswithseed 2033]

14 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

They purposely separated children from their families with shitty (or zero) record keeping and no guarantee they'd be reunited ever again. If they could afford legal representation, we'd be on the hook for a hell of a lot more than 450k.

But to your ilk, that's considered a free lunch.

Fuck you.

You said stop playing dumb, you had nothing substantial to your post as to the actual policy. I'm glad you finally got to your point though. 

 

9 minutes ago, VRHorn said:

It has literally been 1 day since I donated to a charity, so swing and a miss on that one.

I don't laugh at the homeless, obviously, but it's nice that you see your needs as being as dire as theirs. You really are a repugnant person, but you don't exactly hide that, do you?

 I see how you feel about the people you give to, It's just easier to do it on an internet board. 

Edited November 25, 2021 by workswithseed

[TwiceHorn 31184]

20 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

They purposely separated children from their families with shitty (or zero) record keeping and no guarantee they'd be reunited ever again. If they could afford legal representation, we'd be on the hook for a hell of a lot more than 450k.

But to your ilk, that's considered a free lunch.

Fuck you.

It should probably be pointed out that this isn't just some giveaway.

It's DOJ lawyers in negotiations with lawyers for the separated to settle what appear to be valid claims for damages.  ANY administration would be facing this issue after Trump's depradations, and any batch of decent lawyers would be considering settlement over litigation.

If they don't settle, there will be lawsuits and judgments.

Edited November 25, 2021 by TwiceHorn

[Neonmoon 38127]

28 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

This is me, but opposite. I will never pull the lever for a D as long as the progressive segment is a part of it.  

I want to take a moment to point out the complete mind numbing idiocy of this statement. 

You’re going to always side with a party that is determined to end democracy as evidenced by documentable actions instead of a party where the Progressive Caucus (96 house and 1 senate member) members fight for "a universal, high-quality, Medicare for All health care system for all, living wage laws, reductions in military expenditure, a crackdown on corporate greed, putting an end to mass incarceration, supporting and implementing swift measures to start reversing climate change, immigration policies that are humane, and reparations.”

You’re siding with ending democracy because some progressives want to help some poor people? 

[TwiceHorn 31184]

Just now, Neonmoon said:

I want to take a moment to point out the complete mind numbing idiocy of this statement. 

You’re going to always side with a party that is determined to end democracy as evidenced by documentable actions instead of a party where the Progressive Caucus (96 house and 1 senate member) members fight for "a universal, high-quality, Medicare for All health care system for all, living wage laws, reductions in military expenditure, a crackdown on corporate greed, putting an end to mass incarceration, supporting and implementing swift measures to start reversing climate change, immigration policies that are humane, and reparations.”

You’re siding with ending democracy because some progressives want to help some poor people? 

Right.  You can easily vote D without endorsing rampant progressivism.  If you are voting for a lunatic R over a centrist D because of Ilhan Omar, you're an idiot.

[retread 2951]

6 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I want to take a moment to point out the complete mind numbing idiocy of this statement. 

You’re going to always side with a party that is determined to end democracy as evidenced by documentable actions instead of a party where the Progressive Caucus (96 house and 1 senate member) members fight for "a universal, high-quality, Medicare for All health care system for all, living wage laws, reductions in military expenditure, a crackdown on corporate greed, putting an end to mass incarceration, supporting and implementing swift measures to start reversing climate change, immigration policies that are humane, and reparations.”

You’re siding with ending democracy because some progressives want to help some poor people? 

When you're one of the only developed nations not to provide these services to your citizens (or stop the insane cruelty and sadism of things like mass incarceration), it might be time to look in the mirror and re-evaluate.

Edited November 25, 2021 by retread

[TwiceHorn 31184]

1 minute ago, retread said:

When you're one of the only developed nations not to provide these services to your citizens (or stop the insane cruelty and sadism of things like mass incarceration), it might be time to look in the mirror and re-evaluate.

But SoCiAlIsM!

[Johnny Sack 8397]

2 hours ago, TexArcher said:

 If you haven't left the GOP, you are part of the problem, regardless of how much of your platform I might agree with.

And I think there is a growing number of people who feel this way.

Dozens of them.  
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/11/16/republicans-take-biggest-congressional-poll-lead-over-democrats-since-1981/amp/

Edited November 25, 2021 by Johnny Sack

[Eastwood 4394]

Wait a minute and I could be wrong here but there have been murder charges? BTW what did I say that was so offensive? Was it the rioters should all be prosecuted?

Wait a minute and I could be wrong here but there have been murder charges? BTW what did I say that was so offensive? Was it the rioters should all be prosecuted?

Murder charges? We all saw it with our own eyes. It's always amazing to me when GOP talking heads quote George Orwell, but then GOPers come out and say shit like this.

Also, you're barking up the wrong tree with me on the rioters. Attempt to raid federal property for the purposes of destroying or wresting control and you won't get a tear out of me if you're met with a deadly federal response or receive hefty federal charges.

[Ag with kids 581]

17 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, as one of the right-leaning people, it is also how fully devoid of actual policy is the GOP.  They never offer alternatives, they just oppose.

Further, so much of what passes for policy is just culture war, -ism, and sound bites.  And lies.  So many lies.

BTW...after reading all of your posts on this thread, you are NOT "one of the right-leaning people".  All of the positions you've espoused here are either center left or far left positions.  Maybe you've moved left, I don't know.

But, carry on and have a Happy Thanksgiving!

[Brisketexan 104462]

BTW...after reading all of your posts on this thread, you are NOT "one of the right-leaning people".  All of the positions you've espoused here are either center left or far left positions.  Maybe you've moved left, I don't know.
But, carry on and have a Happy Thanksgiving!

Yet most of those positions WERE conservative positions not very long ago. Seriously, several of them are right out of the GOP platform in the Reagan-Bush eras. That’s our point. We can say things that are literally verbatim from the mouths and platforms of Reagan to W, and those exact things are deemed “far left libtard” today.

Your criticism emphasizes our point, it doesn’t refute it.

Oh, and again, I stand super strong on the most basic conservative, patriotic foundation out there: I oppose all who attack my country, and who continue to support and enable the terror network that fed, inspired, and continues to feed and inspire them with insane lies. It is the most important issue facing us, because unless we can preserve the republic, none of the policy arguments matter.

That position puts me at odds with almost all of the GQP. Which tells us all we need to know.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

3 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

BTW...after reading all of your posts on this thread, you are NOT "one of the right-leaning people".  All of the positions you've espoused here are either center left or far left positions.  Maybe you've moved left, I don't know.

But, carry on and have a Happy Thanksgiving!

I voted Republican for 35 years, not straight ticket.  I have never been much of a social conservative because that shit's nonsense and always has been.  I am personally pretty socially conservative, but not to the point that I feel a need to inflict that on others.

I disagree that anything I support is "far left."  But it makes sense that you would think so having already spuriously tossed out the socialism meme.

Happy Thanksgiving.

[Genco 3038]

3 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

BTW...after reading all of your posts on this thread, you are NOT "one of the right-leaning people".  All of the positions you've espoused here are either center left or far left positions.  Maybe you've moved left, I don't know.

But, carry on and have a Happy Thanksgiving!

I admire your fearless confidence that it's the poster that must have fundamentally changed and not the line of scrimmage for what's considered right-leaning or socialism.

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19073]

13 hours ago, Satoshi said:

You’re wrong. Penelope refuses to see her family. 

But are they denied entry if they don’t take it? We take a more lenient approach to illegal immigrants than American citizens. 

Rent free in your head.  My parents are in NYC with me.  We went to the Thanksgiving Parade.  Your life seems like it sucks.  

[DDD Dad 14167]

BTW...after reading all of your posts on this thread, you are NOT "one of the right-leaning people".  All of the positions you've espoused here are either center left or far left positions.  Maybe you've moved left, I don't know.
But, carry on and have a Happy Thanksgiving!

LOL at TwiceHorn being center left or far left.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

Just now, DDD Dad said:

LOL at TwiceHorn being center left or far left.

Progress, not perfection, my dude.  I'd accept center left.

[Willfully Horn 7913]

26 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

Dozens of them.  
 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2021/11/16/republicans-take-biggest-congressional-poll-lead-over-democrats-since-1981/amp/

Ratfuckery is effective. Some folks glory in that. Others don’t.

[fattyflattie 4636]

39 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

I want to take a moment to point out the complete mind numbing idiocy of this statement. 

Exactly what I expected. Dumb when I say it, but celebrated when your team says it.  I find their policies detrimental at best, and terroristic at worst to the nation, which is no different than you feel about the “lunatic right”.   I know but but but Jan 6th rah rah. 

[Ag with kids 581]

4 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yet most of those positions WERE conservative positions not very long ago. Seriously, several of them are right out of the GOP platform in the Reagan-Bush eras. That’s our point. We can say things that are literally verbatim from the mouths and platforms of Reagan to W, and those exact things are deemed “far left libtard” today.

Your criticism emphasizes our point, it doesn’t refute it.

Oh, and again, I stand super strong on the most basic conservative, patriotic foundation out there: I oppose all who attack my country, and who continue to support and enable the terror network that fed, inspired, and continues to feed and inspire them with insane lies. It is the most important issue facing us, because unless we can preserve the republic, none of the policy arguments matter.

That position puts me at odds with almost all of the GQP. Which tells us all we need to know.

Quote

 

This is laughable.  The Republicans have no policies to state.  Unless you want to count "nos."

No immigration reform.  No regulation of firearms of any kind.  No Roe v. Wade.  No transgenders in bathrooms or playing sports.  No infrastructure spending.  No addressing climate change.  No tax hikes.  No addressing of healthcare.  No reform or forgiveness of student debt.  No attempt to address the wealth and income gaps.

 

The above is what TwiceHorn posted.  

The first 3 have been GOP policy since before Reagan. 

The 4th...well, still not sure how we got there, but I'm semi-agnostic.  Let TGs participate in sports.  Don't be surprised when the biological men defeat the biological women though.

The 5th is bullshit.  The GOP has supported infrastructure - ACTUAL infrastructure.

Climate change has ALWAYS been a left policy.

GOP has been against tax hikes.  I agree - Dems want them.

Healthcare - GOP has always been against the government involvement in healthcare - Dems want it.

Student debt forgiveness is a new one that's ONLY been championed by the left.

Wealth and income gaps - again, purely an issue of the left.

[YChang 3430]

3 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Exactly what I expected. Dumb when I say it, but celebrated when your team says it.  I find their policies detrimental at best, and terroristic at worst to the nation, which is no different than you feel about the “lunatic right”.   I know but but but Jan 6th rah rah. 

Hey. I'm not saying you're dumb or anything. So speaking for myself... it's just hard to reconcile that you seem to give a pass on the extreme wing of the Republican Party that has performed/attempted actual harm on this country. But the progressives and their ideas are a bridge too far for you when it comes to voting for Democrats? That's my perception of course. 

[Brisketexan 104462]

Exactly what I expected. Dumb when I say it, but celebrated when your team says it.  I find their policies detrimental at best, and terroristic at worst to the nation, which is no different than you feel about the “lunatic right”.   I know but but but Jan 6th rah rah. 

Yeah. But Jan 6 for sure. It matters. A whole political party waging or enabling and supporting open violent insurrection intent on overthrowing our government. I mean, that’s literally a thing that happened, and is still happening. And if it ever actually prevails, then our positions on policy are irrelevant.

It’s the only issue that matters today. Everything else is just distraction. IDGAF what people think about how the ship should be painted, or where it should sail. If it sinks, none of that shit will matter.

Let’s save the ship first. Then we can argue about whether it should be battleship gray or that weird dazzle scheme.

[UpperWestside 6103]

40 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Rent free in your head.  My parents are in NYC with me.  We went to the Thanksgiving Parade.  Your life seems like it sucks.  

Hope y’all enjoyed it. I am going to try to bring my mom back with me if she is doing well enough to fly so she can see the city leading up to Christmas. She has been here twice right after Christmas for New Year’s Eve, but not before. 

I walked past the barricades this morning for the route on my way to catch a flight to Austin. Ton of police over near the Garden today, but that’s normal for the parade. This is such an awesome time of year in the city. It already feels so much better than a year ago this time.

Edited November 25, 2021 by UpperWestside

[UpperWestside 6103]

13 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Progress, not perfection, my dude.  I'd accept center left.

You seem to choose positions that advocate for others who need help climbing the ever-changing societal ladder. We should not need a party designation to figure out that doing that is what we should all be doing. You help as many folks as you can along the way. 

[Willfully Horn 7913]

14 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Exactly what I expected. Dumb when I say it, but celebrated when your team says it.  I find their policies detrimental at best, and terroristic at worst to the nation, which is no different than you feel about the “lunatic right”.   I know but but but Jan 6th rah rah. 

Terroristic legislation? You might not understand the term terrorism completely. I can see how you might find legislation damaging to the country, but your use of the term terroristic is so over the top, I am at a loss.

Rah, rah 1/6? What the Hell, man? Giving cover to actual terrorists (folks using unlawful violence and threats of violence in pursuit of political aims) is not a good look.

Lawful is the key term you seem to overlook. The rule of Law and its importance is a conservative bedrock. Which is why you have weakened your claim to be conservative with that post. You might be a staunch R, but you are not a rock ribbed conservative.

Edited November 25, 2021 by Willfully Horn
Spelling and grammar

[fattyflattie 4636]

6 minutes ago, YChang said:

Hey. I'm not saying you're dumb or anything. So speaking for myself... it's just hard to reconcile that you seem to give a pass on the extreme wing of the Republican Party that has performed/attempted actual harm on this country. But the progressives and their ideas are a bridge too far for you when it comes to voting for Democrats? That's my perception of course. 

I don’t plan to vote for them, either. But I’ll be damned if I’ll step on my own dick and vote against them just because. I’ll just withhold and watch the progressives burn it down, I guess. But I cannot in good conscience take an active part in it.  

[Eastwood 4394]

If a cop was murdered like that I am sure there are murder charges. I am asking?

I'll concede that I couldn't find an article that gave the status of the cop after the attack. If he was the same officer that later died, I can't find an article that makes that connection. But the issue at question was whether it was an armed insurrection. Do you still maintain that it was not an armed insurrection because there were no guns? The better question, I think, is whether you think it was an attempted insurrection at all? Do you think they showed up on the steps of the Capitol because they were just mad or do you think they showed up to stop Pence and Congress from certifying results?

[fattyflattie 4636]

1 minute ago, Bravo said:

Getting it in even on Thanksgiving.

When your family is a pack of rescue dogs, you’ve got plenty of time on Thanksgiving. 

[Ag with kids 581]

15 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yet most of those positions WERE conservative positions not very long ago. Seriously, several of them are right out of the GOP platform in the Reagan-Bush eras. That’s our point. We can say things that are literally verbatim from the mouths and platforms of Reagan to W, and those exact things are deemed “far left libtard” today.

Your criticism emphasizes our point, it doesn’t refute it.

Oh, and again, I stand super strong on the most basic conservative, patriotic foundation out there: I oppose all who attack my country, and who continue to support and enable the terror network that fed, inspired, and continues to feed and inspire them with insane lies. It is the most important issue facing us, because unless we can preserve the republic, none of the policy arguments matter.

That position puts me at odds with almost all of the GQP. Which tells us all we need to know.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/republican-party-platform-1980

Here's the 1980 Republican Platform.

It's really not that different than the current platform (other than a lot of the new issues that have cropped up since 1980).   2020 platform below

https://prod-cdn-static.gop.com/docs/Resolution_Platform_2020.pdf

For contrast here's the 1980 Democratic Platform:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/1980-democratic-party-platform

and the 2020 platform

https://democrats.org/where-we-stand/party-platform/

BTW, your throwaway line of "That position puts me at odds with almost all of the GQP. Which tells us all we need to know." is nothing more than just a veiled attempt to dismiss en masse anyone that doesn't agree with you - it's no different than tossing out the race card to try and quash any more discussion.  Because if you don't agree with you, then you're GQP and you're worthless...

You used to be better than that.

[Brisketexan 104462]

I don’t plan to vote for them, either. But I’ll be damned if I’ll step on my own dick and vote against them just because. I’ll just withhold and watch the progressives burn it down, I guess. But I cannot in good conscience take an active part in it.  

You shouldn’t vote against the GQP “just because.” You should do it because they are a proud, and actively working, existential threat to the country you claim to love.

Save the ship. Then we can argue about the paint scheme and course.

[fattyflattie 4636]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You shouldn’t vote against the GQP “just because.” You should do it because they are a proud, and actively working, existential threat to the country you claim to love.

Save the ship. Then we can argue about the paint scheme and course.

I get what you are saying. But 1) electing nothing but D will not “save the ship” and 2) you are making every D out to be JFK while every R is Trump.  There’s a whole fucking lot of housecleaning needed in the D side as well.  If you don’t believe me, ask yourself how Krysten became a millionaire in 2 years. Or is she no longer a “real” D?

[aggie08 21379]

9 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

I don’t plan to vote for them, either. But I’ll be damned if I’ll step on my own dick and vote against them just because. I’ll just withhold and watch the progressives burn it down, I guess. But I cannot in good conscience take an active part in it.  

Those extreme radical progressives who nominated [checks notes] 200 year old Joseph Fucking Biden.

Meanwhile, people who participated in Jan 6 have been elected to their state governments.

You're the problem, man. The middle right who the GOP knows that they have in the bag because you'll never vote for a socialist, Marxist, communist, so they'll continue to pursue and appease the extremists and the MAGA crowd vote, your furrowed brow be damned.

[Ag with kids 581]

14 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah. But Jan 6 for sure. It matters. A whole political party waging or enabling and supporting open violent insurrection intent on overthrowing our government. I mean, that’s literally a thing that happened, and is still happening. And if it ever actually prevails, then our positions on policy are irrelevant.

It’s the only issue that matters today. Everything else is just distraction. IDGAF what people think about how the ship should be painted, or where it should sail. If it sinks, none of that shit will matter.

Let’s save the ship first. Then we can argue about whether it should be battleship gray or that weird dazzle scheme.

I really wonder...do y'all actually believe that?  Or is it like all the politicians that claim that because they know it's a great political hammer that the useful idiots will glom onto?

Shay's Rebellion - THAT was an open violent insurrection.  With lots of weapons.

Jan 6th?  - Bunch of dumbass tourons wandering through the Capital building taking selfies.  But, OVERTHROWING the government?  Shouldn't they have brought a lot of weapons to do that?  Like some F-15s and nukes?

[hobbes2702 12771]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

You get another for your kids. I don't see why you wouldn't bring them with you.

Do you know why they are being given money by the government or are you being intentionally obtuse?

[Brisketexan 104462]

I get what you are saying. But 1) electing nothing but D will not “save the ship” and 2) you are making every D out to be JFK while every R is Trump.  There’s a whole fucking lot of housecleaning needed in the D side as well.  If you don’t believe me, ask yourself how Krysten became a millionaire in 2 years. Or is she no longer a “real” D?

Every R IS Trump. You’re starting to grasp the problem, even as you argue against it. Any R that doesn’t fully support whatever batshit insanity he spouts at a given moment is driven out as an apostate. They fucking kicked out LYNN CHENEY, for fuck’s sake. The party is paying his legal fees TODAY. They are all-in on his Big Lie as we speak. Anyone who dares disagree with him is cast out as a RINO libtard. This is our concern, dude. It’s a proto-fascist cult of personality that will gladly destroy all functioning democratic norms in order to satisfy the whims of their mad king.

The D opposition doesn’t have to be JFK. They just have to have a pulse and believe that maybe, we should be a Republic still. That’s it. It’s the only issue that matters right now.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

1 minute ago, Ag with kids said:

I really wonder...do y'all actually believe that?  Or is it like all the politicians that claim that because they know it's a great political hammer that the useful idiots will glom onto?

Shay's Rebellion - THAT was an open violent insurrection.  With lots of weapons.

Jan 6th?  - Bunch of dumbass tourons wandering through the Capital building taking selfies.  But, OVERTHROWING the government?  Shouldn't they have brought a lot of weapons to do that?  Like some F-15s and nukes?

They literally thought they were going to "stop the steal," a scurrilous lie about a fundamental institution of this country:  the vote.

Not all of them may have intended to injure or kill Pence or Pelosi or some other Trump-traitor, but they were assuredly there to disrupt the counting of the electoral votes.

The fact that Republicans refuse to acknowledge publicly and repeatedly that "the steal" is unmitigated bullshit that brought the Capitol under attack while in session is an example of why I cannot support them any longer and likely will not for the rest of my days.

 

[Shaddie 1634]

7 minutes ago, Ag with kids said:

I really wonder...do y'all actually believe that?  Or is it like all the politicians that claim that because they know it's a great political hammer that the useful idiots will glom onto?

Shay's Rebellion - THAT was an open violent insurrection.  With lots of weapons.

Jan 6th?  - Bunch of dumbass tourons wandering through the Capital building taking selfies.  But, OVERTHROWING the government?  Shouldn't they have brought a lot of weapons to do that?  Like some F-15s and nukes?

1 question. 
Did trump lie about the election? Yes or No. 

[Ag with kids 581]

18 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

28 minutes ago, Bravo said:

If a cop was murdered like that I am sure there are murder charges. I am asking?

I'll concede that I couldn't find an article that gave the status of the cop after the attack. If he was the same officer that later died, I can't find an article that makes that connection. But the issue at question was whether it was an armed insurrection. Do you still maintain that it was not an armed insurrection because there were no guns? The better question, I think, is whether you think it was an attempted insurrection at all? Do you think they showed up on the steps of the Capitol because they were just mad or do you think they showed up to stop Pence and Congress from certifying results?

I posted this earlier but maybe it got lost.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-died-natural-causes/

The Capitol Policeman, Brian Sicknick, died of natural causes according to the Medical Examiner.

As to "armed insurrection", there was the shaman dude with a flag on a spear...and...what others?  Now, Shay's Rebellion...THAT was an armed insurrection.

I'm going to guess 99.99% showed up at the Capitol because they were mad...with maybe a small number of dumbshits that wanted to (and actually thought they could) stop them from certifying results.

[Brisketexan 104462]

I really wonder...do y'all actually believe that?  Or is it like all the politicians that claim that because they know it's a great political hammer that the useful idiots will glom onto?
Shay's Rebellion - THAT was an open violent insurrection.  With lots of weapons.
Jan 6th?  - Bunch of dumbass tourons wandering through the Capital building taking selfies.  But, OVERTHROWING the government?  Shouldn't they have brought a lot of weapons to do that?  Like some F-15s and nukes?

Being BAD at being a violent traitor doesn’t make you any less a violent traitor. And it doesn’t take an F-15 to assassinate the VP to prevent him from performing his constitutional duties. A slit throat would do just fine. Beating beaten to death would work.

You’re okay with the GQP 9/11 because they weren’t as effective or smart as some islamofascist fucksticks were 20 years ago. That’s fucked up.

And yes, the Big Lie is a fundamental and inviolable tenet of the GQP now. Speak against it? Begone, RINO libtard…..Lynn Cheney! Support massive changes to voting, all based on the Big Lie? Yep, see functionally every elected GQP official, including our very own governor.

[tchookem 3900]

I really wonder...do y'all actually believe that?  Or is it like all the politicians that claim that because they know it's a great political hammer that the useful idiots will glom onto?
Shay's Rebellion - THAT was an open violent insurrection.  With lots of weapons.
Jan 6th?  - Bunch of dumbass tourons wandering through the Capital building taking selfies.  But, OVERTHROWING the government?  Shouldn't they have brought a lot of weapons to do that?  Like some F-15s and nukes?

You're not doing anything to change our minds.

[Brisketexan 104462]

I posted this earlier but maybe it got lost.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-died-natural-causes/
The Capitol Policeman, Brian Sicknick, died of natural causes according to the Medical Examiner.
As to "armed insurrection", there was the shaman dude with a flag on a spear...and...what others?  Now, Shay's Rebellion...THAT was an armed insurrection.
I'm going to guess 99.99% showed up at the Capitol because they were mad...with maybe a small number of dumbshits that wanted to (and actually thought they could) stop them from certifying results.

Donald Trump and his family and minions LITERALLY TOLD THEM TO GO IN THERE AND STOP THE COUNTING OF THE VOTES. They did it, in the open, it’s on video for fucks sake. This is the actual, real-deal leader of your party and sitting president of the US, and not only is your party not holding him accountable, they continue to support his treasonous bullshit. Because they want to give it another try.

Fuck your treasonous party. I’m an American. I steadfastly oppose all who attack and continue to attack my country. Sorry you’re not an actual patriot.

[TwiceHorn 31184]

47 minutes ago, Shaddie said:

1 question. 
Did trump lie about the election? Yes or No. 

Good Christ.  I can't stand to listen to that fat sonofabitch and haven't been able to since the campaign.  I just re-read his January 6 speech.  It so fucking full of lies it is astounding.  Lies and word salad.

One time in all that horseshit did he say "peacefully and patriotically," the rest of the speech is so clearly calculated to rile that mob up.  Not to mention all the circumstantial evidence that much more than a "peaceful and patriotic" protest was intended by Trump and other "operatives."

https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966396848/read-trumps-jan-6-speech-a-key-part-of-impeachment-trial

Also, read that gobbledygook and many of Trumps other statements and continue to make fun of Biden's stumbles.  I double dog dare ya.

Edited November 25, 2021 by TwiceHorn