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Yeah, \ that was my first instinct.  Before I even thought about the ramifications to the U.S.

simpsonswomancrying, "Won't somebody think of the Ulster Unionists?!?!?" 

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1 hour ago, ConferenceRoom said:

Resigning two weeks before the end. So strong. So brave. Wow. God, I admire you. 

Hell, even if they resigned on Jan 19th they can always plant the "but I quit in protest" flag.

People have short memories.

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4 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

Hell, even if they resigned on Jan 19th they can always plant the "but I quit in protest" flag.

People have short memories.

It is on us to remind everyone until the end of time that these people stood by a poorly attempted coup, but a coup attempt nonetheless. 

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5 minutes ago, Js1 said:

It is on us to remind everyone until the end of time that these people stood by a poorly attempted coup, but a coup attempt nonetheless. 

I'm absolutely not a Lincoln Project Guy but I'm pretty sure they're going to go nuts on most of these Republican assholes when they're up for reelection. Every single one of them needs to be blasted with footage of white supremacists breaking into and looting the Capitol Building.

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Not gonna lie, when this happened in Belarus recently, guess who helped and has been helping Lukashenko with the personnel shortage?

Yeah, Trump is friends with him too.

You think it can't happen?

So don't discount that it's part self-preservation or that it could also be just part of how it's gonna play out.

Remember, it's going to get worse. He's a malignant narcissist fascist dementia paranoid criminal.

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

They should all be charged with sedition.  Every goddamned one of them. 

Yes! Prior to that, the old fashioned stocks are a good place to put them. Just the irony alone of 'stocks,' would make it hard for them to erase the memory for people.

21 minutes ago, 406W30th said:

I'm absolutely not a Lincoln Project Guy but I'm pretty sure they're going to go nuts on most of these Republican assholes when they're up for reelection. Every single one of them needs to be blasted with footage of white supremacists breaking into and looting the Capitol Building.

As long as the Putin method of silencing the opposition doesn't take hold in the intervening years. Navalny will tell you that it's rough out there.

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I don’t see much honor in these resignations. It’s self serving. They can lie to themselves that they stood up for the bad deeds of Trump. While yesterday was bad for American democracy, trump really actually people over the last 4 years. Where were they then? Most likely hurting those people with trump.

and as stated, it allows them to avoid a potential 25th amendment discussion. Hell, they might actually be helping trump since it may be questionable if an acting secretary could vote to remove a president. Is someone even elevated automatically to acting secretary or does trump have to name someone acting secretary?

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25th isn't really applicable in this case and anybody who tries to support it will ultimately find themselves on the losing end of a SCOTUS case. Probably not something most folks want. Resigning is really the only option at this point. Hopefully resigning and making a strong stand against the POTUS. 

 

Anyhow, let's do a little though experiment. You find yourself, as you are right now and not some imaginary depraved version of yourself, somehow nominated to be a part of Trump's cabinet. You know very well that if you don't take it he will find someone much worse than you to do his bidding. If you accept you might be able to moderate his policies somewhat and make things not as bad. Of course, you will be associated with Trump forever, but is the personal cost of this a worthy sacrifice for the greater good?

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These are some shit resignations. The Special Envoy to Northern Ireland, a Deputy Press Secretary, DeVos. No one seriously important. 
 

All these people are the shitbirds we thought they were. IDGAF what Lindsay Graham says, the Republic could survive and thrive with Pompeo out on his ass yesterday, but that would be a signal MAGA world couldn’t misinterpret and he could say goodbye to 2024. 
 

Narrator: He won’t win 2024 because he’s like Shrek but evil.

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3 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Let's be real, if most of the folks here had a job working in the whitehouse like this that could potentially lead to something better, especially if they were tryimg to support a wife (or husband) and kids, they would be looking out for their family first. 

Apparently some people have integrity. 

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13 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

Let's be real, if most of the folks here had a job working in the whitehouse like this that could potentially lead to something better, especially if they were tryimg to support a wife (or husband) and kids, they would be looking out for their family first. 

 

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1 hour ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

25th isn't really applicable in this case and anybody who tries to support it will ultimately find themselves on the losing end of a SCOTUS case. Probably not something most folks want. Resigning is really the only option at this point. Hopefully resigning and making a strong stand against the POTUS. 

 

Anyhow, let's do a little though experiment. You find yourself, as you are right now and not some imaginary depraved version of yourself, somehow nominated to be a part of Trump's cabinet. You know very well that if you don't take it he will find someone much worse than you to do his bidding. If you accept you might be able to moderate his policies somewhat and make things not as bad. Of course, you will be associated with Trump forever, but is the personal cost of this a worthy sacrifice for the greater good?

Can we go back and live our life in a way that we are viewed as people of integrity and not likely to support his grift and lies so we never get the nomination?

Being nominated would make me rethink my life choices.

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2 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don’t see much honor in these resignations. It’s self serving. They can lie to themselves that they stood up for the bad deeds of Trump. While yesterday was bad for American democracy, trump really actually people over the last 4 years. Where were they then? Most likely hurting those people with trump.

and as stated, it allows them to avoid a potential 25th amendment discussion. Hell, they might actually be helping trump since it may be questionable if an acting secretary could vote to remove a president. Is someone even elevated automatically to acting secretary or does trump have to name someone acting secretary?

I don't think it really even matters because all section 4 really says about it is "Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President."

Notice it does not say "8 of the 15." Just a majority. I suppose the number would have to be established to know what a "majority" would actually be, but as I understand it, there could theoretically be 3 eligible voters in that scenario and 2 no votes would suffice to remove. 

That having been said, I agree with what a lot of people have said about the 25th: not a very good idea at this point. Better off impeaching.

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28 minutes ago, TexasEd said:

Can we go back and live our life in a way that we are viewed as people of integrity and not likely to support his grift and lies so we never get the nomination?

Being nominated would make me rethink my life choices.

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Nah, that's not part of the thought exercise. You get nominated right now, except like several months ago because a nomination right now is pretty much meaningless. You have no idea why because you try to be a good person and generally treat people with the respect and dignity they deserve. A person of integrity. Somehow you get the nod. What do you do? Do you have a moral responsibility to take it because if you don't then you know that someone more degenerate than you (ok, we are stretching it because we are all degenerates) will take it? Or is your moral responsibility to take a stand regardless of how many lives it costs?

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Gee, what a shame.  Thoughts and prayers.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/post-trump-jobs-national-security-456180

 

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They have been snubbed by potential employers, told they would be a “liability” and in one instance were even compared to the "Hitler Youth."

This is the job market many experienced national security officials who work for President Donald Trump are facing just days before a new president takes office and they will be out of work.

Across the administration, national security officials have been struggling to find new employment, and conversations with seven former and current officials reveal that they have been tainted by their time working for Trump.

 

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The problem became worse on Wednesday, after pro-Trump rioters stormed the U.S. Capitol, prompting several senior officials to resign in protest amid wide condemnation of Trump by Democrats and Republicans.

“I’ve had conversations with people who’ve worked on the national security teams, many who are career intelligence officers, who are concerned about what happens next,” said Olivia Troye, a former Homeland Security and White House official who left in August and has been an outspoken critic of Trump’s response to the pandemic.

“People who are hiring see everything that’s happened and have to question your morals and ethics — especially in terms of what continues to happen today — on why you chose to work for that environment," she said.

 

 

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fficials working in national security are particularly vulnerable to this challenge. Many are tied to controversial Trump policies and scandals, be it child separation at the border or the politicization of the military on display when top Pentagon leaders stood with Trump for a photo op after authorities forcefully cleared Lafayette Square of protesters.

In some cases, the resistance that officials are meeting from would-be employers is extreme. One senior defense official, who has been looking for a new job for two years without luck, recalled a conversation in which they were told that they were considered part of the "Hitler Youth.”

“That attitude is not helpful,” the person said.

 

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The senior defense official broadly described a sense of “Trump administration animus” from potential outside employers, which is frustrating for officials who don't consider themselves "hardcore MAGA folks.”

During her own job search this summer, Troye was told directly by one potential employer that they could not offer her a job because she was a “liability.”

“I can’t tell you how hurtful it was to hear that,” said Troye, noting that the incident was a reality check.

National security jobs are more difficult to get than most, as applicants need a security clearance and a specialized set of skills.

A career civilian rather than a political nominee, Troye said she took the White House job to “make a difference,” and fought against policies she thought were wrong. Yet the incident with the employer “showed me firsthand the repercussions of trying to navigate in that space,” she said.

Elizabeth Neumann, another former civil servant and Homeland Security official who worked on counterterrorism, said she did not directly face challenges in finding a new job after she resigned in April. But that was primarily because she immediately spoke out against Trump’s policies.

Still, she recounted several instances during her job hunt in which she heard through her network that certain companies would never consider hiring her because she worked in the Trump administration.

While junior-level employees working on noncontroversial issues might not have problems finding new employment, anyone associated with controversial Trump policies, such as immigration, were blacklisted, Neumann said.

“There is absolutely an effect of a number of organizations out there trying to blacklist anybody that worked on child separation," for example, Neumann said.

Other former officials say they have heard from many former colleagues struggling to find work after Jan. 20. While more senior officials may have strong networks and won’t have much trouble finding employment, the younger officials who have limited experience and no previous reputation are challenged, said one former defense official.

“Some of these people are really smart, good and hardworking, but they are also strong Trump supporters, which is off-putting to many in the think tank community of D.C.,” the person said. “I think it’s going to be a rough few months for people.”

Another senior administration official looking for a new job compared the challenges Trump appointees will face to the backlash against George W. Bush officials. The person previously turned down a senior White House position, foreseeing that people who worked directly for Trump would be further challenged to find outside employment.

“Headhunters told me that talented people will get hired, it’s just going to be a matter of how many talented people there are,” the person said.

But many Trump appointees who are now struggling to find jobs — everyone from junior staffers to Cabinet secretaries — are facing questions for not leaving sooner. Many of these officials are the same people who privately bemoaned Trump’s instability, but were “all too willing to enable it,” said another former senior official.

“They are finding that staying silent had a cost: to their consciences and to their careers,” the person said. “People knew Trump would be toxic, yet they hedged anyway in hopes that they might get four more years of job stability.”

Others defended their gut-wrenching decision to stay on as long as they did, recalling that they were torn between trying to prevent the president from doing further damage, and taking a stand as an outsider.

Ultimately, Troye got to the point where she felt she was no longer making a difference and had to make a “moral decision,” she said.

But her decision has been a double-edged sword. Not only does she have the “baggage” of working for the Trump administration, she is also a whistleblower. She is concerned that future employers will not see her as someone to be trusted because of her decision to speak out.

“To some people you are a hero, to many you are a traitor,” Troye said.

 

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21 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Gee, what a shame.  Thoughts and prayers.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/post-trump-jobs-national-security-456180

 

 

 

 

 

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The senior defense official broadly described a sense of “Trump administration animus” from potential outside employers, which is frustrating for officials who don't consider themselves "hardcore MAGA folks.”

During her own job search this summer, Troye was told directly by one potential employer that they could not offer her a job because she was a “liability.”

“I can’t tell you how hurtful it was to hear that,” said Troye, noting that the incident was a reality check.

National security jobs are more difficult to get than most, as applicants need a security clearance and a specialized set of skills.

A career civilian rather than a political nominee, Troye said she took the White House job to “make a difference,” and fought against policies she thought were wrong. Yet the incident with the employer “showed me firsthand the repercussions of trying to navigate in that space,” she said.

Elizabeth Neumann, another former civil servant and Homeland Security official who worked on counterterrorism, said she did not directly face challenges in finding a new job after she resigned in April. But that was primarily because she immediately spoke out against Trump’s policies.

Still, she recounted several instances during her job hunt in which she heard through her network that certain companies would never consider hiring her because she worked in the Trump administration.

While junior-level employees working on noncontroversial issues might not have problems finding new employment, anyone associated with controversial Trump policies, such as immigration, were blacklisted, Neumann said.

“There is absolutely an effect of a number of organizations out there trying to blacklist anybody that worked on child separation," for example, Neumann said.

Other former officials say they have heard from many former colleagues struggling to find work after Jan. 20. While more senior officials may have strong networks and won’t have much trouble finding employment, the younger officials who have limited experience and no previous reputation are challenged, said one former defense official.

“Some of these people are really smart, good and hardworking, but they are also strong Trump supporters, which is off-putting to many in the think tank community of D.C.,” the person said. “I think it’s going to be a rough few months for people.”

Another senior administration official looking for a new job compared the challenges Trump appointees will face to the backlash against George W. Bush officials. The person previously turned down a senior White House position, foreseeing that people who worked directly for Trump would be further challenged to find outside employment.

“Headhunters told me that talented people will get hired, it’s just going to be a matter of how many talented people there are,” the person said.

But many Trump appointees who are now struggling to find jobs — everyone from junior staffers to Cabinet secretaries — are facing questions for not leaving sooner. Many of these officials are the same people who privately bemoaned Trump’s instability, but were “all too willing to enable it,” said another former senior official.

“They are finding that staying silent had a cost: to their consciences and to their careers,” the person said. “People knew Trump would be toxic, yet they hedged anyway in hopes that they might get four more years of job stability.”

Others defended their gut-wrenching decision to stay on as long as they did, recalling that they were torn between trying to prevent the president from doing further damage, and taking a stand as an outsider.

Ultimately, Troye got to the point where she felt she was no longer making a difference and had to make a “moral decision,” she said.

But her decision has been a double-edged sword. Not only does she have the “baggage” of working for the Trump administration, she is also a whistleblower. She is concerned that future employers will not see her as someone to be trusted because of her decision to speak out.

“To some people you are a hero, to many you are a traitor,” Troye said.

 

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42 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Gee, what a shame.  Thoughts and prayers.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/post-trump-jobs-national-security-456180

 

 

 

 

 

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The senior defense official broadly described a sense of “Trump administration animus” from potential outside employers, which is frustrating for officials who don't consider themselves "hardcore MAGA folks.”

During her own job search this summer, Troye was told directly by one potential employer that they could not offer her a job because she was a “liability.”

“I can’t tell you how hurtful it was to hear that,” said Troye, noting that the incident was a reality check.

National security jobs are more difficult to get than most, as applicants need a security clearance and a specialized set of skills.

A career civilian rather than a political nominee, Troye said she took the White House job to “make a difference,” and fought against policies she thought were wrong. Yet the incident with the employer “showed me firsthand the repercussions of trying to navigate in that space,” she said.

Elizabeth Neumann, another former civil servant and Homeland Security official who worked on counterterrorism, said she did not directly face challenges in finding a new job after she resigned in April. But that was primarily because she immediately spoke out against Trump’s policies.

Still, she recounted several instances during her job hunt in which she heard through her network that certain companies would never consider hiring her because she worked in the Trump administration.

While junior-level employees working on noncontroversial issues might not have problems finding new employment, anyone associated with controversial Trump policies, such as immigration, were blacklisted, Neumann said.

“There is absolutely an effect of a number of organizations out there trying to blacklist anybody that worked on child separation," for example, Neumann said.

Other former officials say they have heard from many former colleagues struggling to find work after Jan. 20. While more senior officials may have strong networks and won’t have much trouble finding employment, the younger officials who have limited experience and no previous reputation are challenged, said one former defense official.

“Some of these people are really smart, good and hardworking, but they are also strong Trump supporters, which is off-putting to many in the think tank community of D.C.,” the person said. “I think it’s going to be a rough few months for people.”

Another senior administration official looking for a new job compared the challenges Trump appointees will face to the backlash against George W. Bush officials. The person previously turned down a senior White House position, foreseeing that people who worked directly for Trump would be further challenged to find outside employment.

“Headhunters told me that talented people will get hired, it’s just going to be a matter of how many talented people there are,” the person said.

But many Trump appointees who are now struggling to find jobs — everyone from junior staffers to Cabinet secretaries — are facing questions for not leaving sooner. Many of these officials are the same people who privately bemoaned Trump’s instability, but were “all too willing to enable it,” said another former senior official.

“They are finding that staying silent had a cost: to their consciences and to their careers,” the person said. “People knew Trump would be toxic, yet they hedged anyway in hopes that they might get four more years of job stability.”

Others defended their gut-wrenching decision to stay on as long as they did, recalling that they were torn between trying to prevent the president from doing further damage, and taking a stand as an outsider.

Ultimately, Troye got to the point where she felt she was no longer making a difference and had to make a “moral decision,” she said.

But her decision has been a double-edged sword. Not only does she have the “baggage” of working for the Trump administration, she is also a whistleblower. She is concerned that future employers will not see her as someone to be trusted because of her decision to speak out.

“To some people you are a hero, to many you are a traitor,” Troye said.

 

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Gee, what a shame.  Thoughts and prayers.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/08/post-trump-jobs-national-security-456180

Elizabeth Neumann, another former civil servant and Homeland Security official who worked on counterterrorism, said she did not directly face challenges in finding a new job after she resigned in April. But that was primarily because she immediately spoke out against Trump’s policies.

Still, she recounted several instances during her job hunt in which she heard through her network that certain companies would never consider hiring her because she worked in the Trump administration.

While junior-level employees working on noncontroversial issues might not have problems finding new employment, anyone associated with controversial Trump policies, such as immigration, were blacklisted, Neumann said.

“There is absolutely an effect of a number of organizations out there trying to blacklist anybody that worked on child separation," for example, Neumann said.

Neumann is quoted using 'blacklist' more than once. A good reporter might want to push on that a little more. It's tricky because blacklist is a loaded word. I don't know Neumann nor her agenda, but if that word gets tossed around casually enough that it gets mainstreamed by former Trump 'people' then it adds to the grievances for the future. In other words, clarifying and buttonholing the former Trump official to go on the record with 'no, there is no physical list it's just a consequence of enabling a conman administration'  i.e. actions have consequences. Not enough of that in the near past with the media and I suspect there won't be enough in the future. If the R establishment or the Trump hangers on get that rhetoric going and it associates the Democratic/deep state/elites with 'blacklists' the up is down moment will certainly be revisited. Roy Cohn would be so proud.

 

*Neumann makes her point about why it is hard to find work and a rationale as I read the entire article before commenting, but I wanted to pull that one paragraph out because it is subtle and just the little tidbit that can keep the victim flame alight.

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