Identifying Trump rioters

[Bama Chick 28596]

 
I'm sorry counselor, but this is a load of horseshit.
There needs to be a very loud, clear message sent: You participate in a riot whose purpose was to overthrow the US government, even if you were only a "tourist" (whatever the fuck that means), you are going to spend a long time in a dark hole.
Otherwise, this will happen again.
The justice dept. is fucking this up. Time and again, their social media posts show they were not "tourists". They were there for one reason. They saw the fighting with the cops, the vandalism, they heard the rhetoric, they heard the chants of kill Pence and kill Pelosi. They are terrorists, traitors, and insurrectionists.
Ignominy and anxiety and unease? What the fucking fuck? That's what you feel the morning after you get drunk at your friend's wedding and say something stupid. Six months after you attempt to overthrow the government you should be feeling the dread of 30+ years of prison.
These fucks should have been met with massed lethal force on Jan 6. Every fucking one of them who entered the Capital that day should die in prison and then rot in hell.

[TwiceHorn 31470]

2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

I'm sorry counselor, but this is a load of horseshit.

There needs to be a very loud, clear message sent: You participate in a riot whose purpose was to overthrow the US government, even if you were only a "tourist" (whatever the fuck that means), you are going to spend a long time in a dark hole.

Otherwise, this will happen again.

The justice dept. is fucking this up. Time and again, their social media posts show they were not "tourists". They were there for one reason. They saw the fighting with the cops, the vandalism, they heard the rhetoric, they heard the chants of kill Pence and kill Pelosi. They are terrorists, traitors, and insurrectionists.

Ignominy and anxiety and unease? What the fucking fuck? That's what you feel the morning after you get drunk at your friend's wedding and say something stupid. Six months after you attempt to overthrow the government you should be feeling the dread of 30+ years of prison.

These fucks should have been met with massed lethal force on Jan 6. Every fucking one of them who entered the Capital that day should die in prison and then rot in hell.

Sorry, but the law isn't ever going to work this way.

It's going to differentiate the culpability of a dipshit like Jenna Ryan from a perpetrator of violence, or an actual ringleader, or someone like Babbitt who penetrated the inner chambers of the building.

You can't lump them all together, as fun as that might seem to be.

The lightweights aren't going to repeat this based on their experience with the justice system.  The sociopaths, who stand to become felons and serve more time, may or may not, tough to say, because sociopaths.

 

[tantric superman 4667]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

t's going to differentiate the culpability of a dipshit like Jenna Ryan from a perpetrator of violence, or an actual ringleader, or someone like Babbitt who penetrated the inner chambers of the building.

Well, and this is just a thought.  Maybe we could make it a drug offense and decide we are going to treat the perpetrators like Negroes.

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Sorry, but the law isn't ever going to work this way.

It's going to differentiate the culpability of a dipshit like Jenna Ryan from a perpetrator of violence, or an actual ringleader, or someone like Babbitt who penetrated the inner chambers of the building.

You can't lump them all together, as fun as that might seem to be.

The lightweights aren't going to repeat this based on their experience with the justice system.  The sociopaths, who stand to become felons and serve more time, may or may not, tough to say, because sociopaths.

 

Just shows how fucked up some of our laws are.
 

Traffic narcotics? 25 years in federal prison with no parole.

Attempt to overthrow the US government by overrunning the capitol? Maximum six months and probably not even that. 

[TwiceHorn 31470]

The other thing, that's more a general criminal justice rant is, here we are talking about deterrence again.  It's so danged cute.

Sentences don't generally deter other criminals, even this type of criminal, because deterrence assumes rational and clear thought.

As has been demonstrated countless times, you cannot count on Trumpers to think rationally and clearly.  They are going to think they won't get caught, they'll win this time and it won't matter, or Orangesus will pardon them, or something appropriately Q'y.

However, it occurs to me that one of the four pillars of punishment, that's not usually too useful, really plays a part here:  incapacitation.  I'd like to see some of the judges impose some sentences that keep these mooks behind bars until past the next presidential election.

[hookemATL 11734]

If we are going to devolve into a third world “shithole” country, can’t we at least enjoy some of the ancillary benefits like death squads and the like?

”oh that insurrectionist didn’t show up for his hearing?  And no one knows where they are?  Wow it’s a mystery to me. I certainly hope they are not resting comfortably under 6 feet of dirt and lime.”

death to traitors. There should have been dozens of Ashli Babbitts that day, and there should be thousands more that rot in prison for a not short period of time. Hell I would love deportation as a punishment as well, assuming there is country willing to dilute their gene pool/collective IQ with a bunch of malignant taintbabies. 

[Ten Bears 2481]

Malignant Taintbabies is my favorite Butthole Surfers song.

[Brisketexan 105139]

The other thing, that's more a general criminal justice rant is, here we are talking about deterrence again.  It's so danged cute.
Sentences don't generally deter other criminals, even this type of criminal, because deterrence assumes rational and clear thought.
As has been demonstrated countless times, you cannot count on Trumpers to think rationally and clearly.  They are going to think they won't get caught, they'll win this time and it won't matter, or Orangesus will pardon them, or something appropriately Q'y.
However, it occurs to me that one of the four pillars of punishment, that's not usually too useful, really plays a part here:  incapacitation.  I'd like to see some of the judges impose some sentences that keep these mooks behind bars until past the next presidential election.

Agreed with this. The primary reason to lock these fuckers up for a long time is because they are an avowed and proud continuing threat. Akin to a rapist standing in front of a judge saying “she was asking for it, and I can’t wait to do it again!” Lock him up for a LONG time.

[RDCanecutter 26442]

3 hours ago, Ten Bears said:

Malignant Taintbabies is my favorite Butthole Surfers song.

If you're a real fan you have the extended play cassette version.

[RPM 26321]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

If you're a real fan you have the extended play cassette version.

If you're a real fan you know who Gibby's dad is.

[Underdog 28633]

10 hours ago, hookemATL said:

If we are going to devolve into a third world “shithole” country, can’t we at least enjoy some of the ancillary benefits like death squads and the like?

 

[Nolacycling 893]

Gabby?

[Willfully Horn 8017]

[RPM 26321]

[TwiceHorn 31470]

On 10/30/2021 at 8:21 AM, JimmyJames said:

Just shows how fucked up some of our laws are.
 

Traffic narcotics? 25 years in federal prison with no parole.

Attempt to overthrow the US government by overrunning the capitol? Maximum six months and probably not even that. 

The other thing that this points up is that these type of criminal laws aren't politically useful.  Politically useful like drug laws, terrorism, mandatory minimums, human trafficking, crack disparities, drunk driving, sex offender registries etc. etc.  

These type of laws are necessary, and necessarily federal, but they haven't scored any points for legislators pandering to a fearful public, so they actually have moderate sentence structures. Maybe even too moderate.  Flat out insurrection is a 10 year max with no minimum, seditious conspiracy 20.  It doesn't matter too much, but I am curious why neither of those charges seem to have been brought.  They may be regarded as constitutionally infirm.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

I agree that the US attorneys are allowing some of the defendants to walk too lightly. To me, this was a group activity that everyone on site that day is guilty of whatever was the worst violence perpetrated that day. It shouldn't matter if they directly participated in that violence or not. They ALL attempted to overthrow the US govt.  Let's use one of those private prisons to house them for the next 5 years.

I assume that US Attorneys are going light because they want to avoid a trial and the potential the defendants start to walk free. After all, it's not like Trump supporters are a tiny minority of the public. There is a fairly good chance a hard core Trumpkin is selected on a jury.

[TwiceHorn 31470]

57 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I agree that the US attorneys are allowing some of the defendants to walk too lightly. To me, this was a group activity that everyone on site that day is guilty of whatever was the worst violence perpetrated that day. It shouldn't matter if they directly participated in that violence or not. They ALL attempted to overthrow the US govt.  Let's use one of those private prisons to house them for the next 5 years.

I assume that US Attorneys are going light because they want to avoid a trial and the potential the defendants start to walk free. After all, it's not like Trump supporters are a tiny minority of the public. There is a fairly good chance a hard core Trumpkin is selected on a jury.

Well, possibly more importantly, the number of insurrectionists under complaint or indictment is a whole year or more's criminal docket for a federal district court.  They couldn't try all these cases even if they wanted to.

[Bullneck 19090]

On 3/29/2021 at 10:24 AM, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So first, how do we take down Gateway Pundit?  They are fucking dangerous.

 

 

Hufpo has taken note:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jenna-ryan-texas-trump-capitol-riot_n_617e044ae4b03072d7051889

Quote

Jan. 6 'Influencer' Who Said She's 'Definitely Not Going To Jail' Should Go To Jail, Feds Say

Jenna Ryan, a Trump-loving real estate broker, called Jan. 6 "one of the best days of my life" and bragged that she wouldn't go to jail because she's white.

 

[Hornius Emeritus 12462]

21 hours ago, RDCanecutter said:

If you're a real fan you have the extended play cassette version.

I overdubbed that on the director's cut. Primo. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20400]

"Daniel “D.J.” Rodriguez, the Donald Trump fanatic who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and was arrested for electroshocking D.C. Metropolitan Police Officer Mike Fanone a month after he was identified in a HuffPost story, spilled his guts to the FBI after his arrest, repeatedly crying as he told special agents he was a “fucking piece of shit” and worried that his “mom’s going to find out” what he did."

“I’m not smart.”

“I’m so stupid.”

“I’m an asshole.”

“I’m a piece of shit.”

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/danny-rodriguez-huffpost-fbi-interview_n_616b3af9e4b079111a4aa2d9

Edited October 31, 2021 by Horn Under a Bad Sign

[Brisketexan 105139]

"Daniel “D.J.” Rodriguez, the Donald Trump fanatic who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 and was arrested for electroshocking D.C. Metropolitan Police Officer Mike Fanone a month after he was identified in a HuffPost story, spilled his guts to the FBI after his arrest, repeatedly crying as he told special agents he was a “fucking piece of shit” and worried that his “mom’s going to find out” what he did."

“I’m not smart.”
“I’m so stupid.”
“I’m an asshole.”
“I’m a piece of shit.”


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/danny-rodriguez-huffpost-fbi-interview_n_616b3af9e4b079111a4aa2d9

Well….he’s a treasonous bastard, but at least he’s honest.

[Biff Tannen 45685]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, possibly more importantly, the number of insurrectionists under complaint or indictment is a whole year or more's criminal docket for a federal district court.  They couldn't try all these cases even if they wanted to.

Didn’t someone have a plan for a cage on a ship in the North Atlantic?  I’d be ok with that. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well, possibly more importantly, the number of insurrectionists under complaint or indictment is a whole year or more's criminal docket for a federal district court.  They couldn't try all these cases even if they wanted to.

This. It’s what I always thought would be the biggest impediment to these fuckers ultimately getting what they deserved. 500 criminal trials in DC court just cannot ever work. 

[cactusflinthead 27598]

35 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Didn’t someone have a plan for a cage on a ship in the North Atlantic?  I’d be ok with that. 

@RomaVicta

[JimmyJames 12271]

Which is why the potential punishment being so low is the biggest problem. It’s easy to take a case to trial if the worst you can get is six months. 25 years? Not so much. 

[RomaVicta 29907]

41 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Didn’t someone have a plan for a cage on a ship in the North Atlantic?  I’d be ok with that. 

 

5 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

@RomaVicta

Yes. A large iron cage tied to the deck of a slow moving old freighter heading to the cold North Atlantic. Every criminal in Trump's orbit and the big turd himself inside the cage wearing next to nothing.

Arrive at the spot and slide the cage into the ocean without ceremony. Cameras can broadcast the action. Maybe one camera over the side to watch the cage and writhing pale humans racing downward and out of sight.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Send their asses to Gitmo. We need them detained just in case. That’s the plan for terrorists, right?

Ohhhhh only the Muslim ones. Got it.

[Nolacycling 893]

Does it matter if it takes a long time to prosecute? These defendants are bleeding money, living in a world of uncertainty, rolling over at night with worry.

It ain't Riker's Island, but it's something.

[Fastbreak 3985]

4 hours ago, Nolacycling said:

Does it matter if it takes a long time to prosecute? These defendants are bleeding money, living in a world of uncertainty, rolling over at night with worry.

It ain't Riker's Island, but it's something.

Most Trumpers don't have enough of a brain to have ragrets....

[Beau Vine 54230]

 

[Guest Lobo]

Lindsey Graham ordered Capitol security to fire on peaceful protestors and lost tourists there to support the great Donald Trump?

Saleswoman, "Oh boy!" 

Lindsey, "Oh boy, what?"

Saleswoman, "Oh boy...you're fucked!"  

This story gets out to the wrong people and Graham's as good as dead.

[High Plains Drifter 11049]

On 10/29/2021 at 11:34 PM, TwiceHorn said:

Sorry, but the law isn't ever going to work this way.

It's going to differentiate the culpability of a dipshit like Jenna Ryan from a perpetrator of violence, or an actual ringleader, or someone like Babbitt who penetrated the inner chambers of the building.

You can't lump them all together, as fun as that might seem to be.

The lightweights aren't going to repeat this based on their experience with the justice system.  The sociopaths, who stand to become felons and serve more time, may or may not, tough to say, because sociopaths.

 

 

I'm not arguing the law.

I'm arguing the sentiment you posted in your last paragraph, the one I selectively quoted.

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89666]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Lindsey Graham ordered Capitol security to fire on peaceful protestors and lost tourists there to support the great Donald Trump?

Saleswoman, "Oh boy!" 

Lindsey, "Oh boy, what?"

Saleswoman, "Oh boy...you're fucked!"  

This story gets out to the wrong people and Graham's as good as dead.

MAGA doesn't like the gays.  If they had gotten to him in the Capitol, he could have ended up dead.

[NWBuck 8565]

4 hours ago, Lobo said:

Lindsey Graham ordered Capitol security to fire on peaceful protestors and lost tourists there to support the great Donald Trump?

Saleswoman, "Oh boy!" 

Lindsey, "Oh boy, what?"

Saleswoman, "Oh boy...you're fucked!"  

This story gets out to the wrong people and Graham's as good as dead.

Hey! You put some respect on Edie McClurg's name... not everyone can hold down gigs as Principle Rooney's assistant AND a proud Marathon Car Rental representative.

[SKJ 1311]

On 10/31/2021 at 11:44 AM, TwiceHorn said:

Well, possibly more importantly, the number of insurrectionists under complaint or indictment is a whole year or more's criminal docket for a federal district court.  They couldn't try all these cases even if they wanted to.

Change of venue.  They could prosecute in other circuits.. take it to each circuit where the defendant resides

On 10/31/2021 at 2:09 PM, JimmyJames said:

This. It’s what I always thought would be the biggest impediment to these fuckers ultimately getting what they deserved. 500 criminal trials in DC court just cannot ever work. 

Change of venue.  Or even violate speedy trial because of extenuating circumstances,  then agree to speedy trial if they agree to change venue

On 10/31/2021 at 2:48 PM, Bama Chick said:

Send their asses to Gitmo. We need them detained just in case. That’s the plan for terrorists, right?

Ohhhhh only the Muslim ones. Got it.

They aren't charged with any codes or laws of the US,  so they have no right to a speedy trial

On 10/31/2021 at 9:57 PM, Nolacycling said:

Does it matter if it takes a long time to prosecute? These defendants are bleeding money, living in a world of uncertainty, rolling over at night with worry.

It ain't Riker's Island, but it's something.

Speedy trial rules are tough to circumnavigate by the prosecutors,  unless there are extenuating circumstances that allow them to violate habeas.  

I am thinking if they changed venue it could be easier to try them all. 

But I'm not a lawyer at all,  I just have a shitload of experience with the feds. 

 

[TheStoicPaisano 9922]

Fee fi fo FAAFO.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13512]

3 minutes ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Fee fi fo FAAFO.

My words cannot be used against me because I'm playing a character online.  

[tx 3 putt 76957]

60 days in jail is nothing, stop being a cunt

[Willfully Horn 8017]

37 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My words cannot be used against me because I'm playing a character online.  

SCOTUS said lying is protected speech. Another fine mess they’ve created.

[atomheartbevo 89666]

3 hours ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Fee fi fo FAAFO.

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

My words cannot be used against me because I'm playing a character online.  

It's a mighty Christian attitude to have.

 

[atomheartbevo 89666]

3 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

60 days in jail is nothing, stop being a cunt

No shit, had an acquaintance a few years ago who was upset over possibly spending a few weeks in county lockup.  Fucking pussy.  I mean, I would understand if it would cause you to lose your job or something, but if not, it's a life experience that a lot more people should go through in their lives.  30 days in county lockup is an eye opener for who you are and it exposes you to those who are below your socioeconomic class or who maybe have problems that you've never experienced and it does it in a way that passing them on the street or in a store can never do.

[TwiceHorn 31470]

4 hours ago, TheStoicPaisano said:

Fee fi fo FAAFO.

I think that "excuse" is about 80% likely to further inflame a federal judge.

[OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys 2076]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I think that "excuse" is about 80% likely to further inflame a federal judge.

yeah.  the lawyer is not doing her any favors letting that go through.  telling the judge "i won't make as much money if i'm not promoting my crimes" isn't your typical tack for pleas for leniency.

[tx 3 putt 76957]

43 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

No shit, had an acquaintance a few years ago who was upset over possibly spending a few weeks in county lockup.  Fucking pussy.  I mean, I would understand if it would cause you to lose your job or something, but if not, it's a life experience that a lot more people should go through in their lives.  30 days in county lockup is an eye opener for who you are and it exposes you to those who are below your socioeconomic class or who maybe have problems that you've never experienced and it does it in a way that passing them on the street or in a store can never do.

 

 

[Eskimohorn 5635]

yeah.  the lawyer is not doing her any favors letting that go through.  telling the judge "i won't make as much money if i'm not promoting my crimes" isn't your typical tack for pleas for leniency.

She had the right to remain silent and declined to do so. Fuck her

[TwiceHorn 31470]

6 hours ago, OneOfTheOutOfFocusGuys said:

yeah.  the lawyer is not doing her any favors letting that go through.  telling the judge "i won't make as much money if i'm not promoting my crimes" isn't your typical tack for pleas for leniency.

Yeah, I think the first skim is "that's not really me."  Ok.

Skim a little deeper, that's:  

a) you are playing to an audience

b) you choose to play to that audience

c) you choose to play to that audience by being cavalier about your offense

So, yeah, dotjenna, that may not be you, but you affirmatively choose to be that, so you're actually a worse person than the one you play on twitter.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

I love the complaining about getting called Insurrection Barbie. So now she is doing this.  She is getting in on the grift!

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31470]

I love how she has being treated like an asshole because you're an asshole confused with being bullied.

Penelope, you big bully!

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

3 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I love how she has being treated like an asshole because you're an asshole confused with being bullied.

Penelope, you big bully!

She doesn't have the domain.  I think I might have to get it.  LOL.  

Nevermind.  She did get it.  Damn it.  But there is nothing there.  She announced it, but has no site.  LOL.  

Edited November 3, 2021 by PenelopeWitherspoon

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

So, based on the responses from the of the ole right wing posters have left their safe space in Daily Texan to post in the Cloak Room again now that a member of the GQP won in VA, I am convinced that at least one person from Surly (in addition to TTom which was a fucking given) definitely was at the rally and most likely entered the Capitol.