Identifying Trump rioters

[Frank Drebin 5654]

28 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

There are 335 million Americans. Did more than 51% of them vote for Donald Trump?

Did I say they did?  Of those who could and did vote, most supported your president-elect, Donald J. Trump.  

[David Dennison 18837]

3 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

Did I say they did?  Of those who could and did vote, most supported your president-elect, Donald J. Trump.  

 

14 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Americans don't give a fuck about January 6 despite all the pearl clutching and theatrics from the left.  The real threat to democracy was the attempted Russian collusion coup and Banana Republic lawfare.  Most Americans agree with me on this, as is evidenced by the ass kicking Trump just gave you.

 

[Frank Drebin 5654]

You just heard from the silent majority.  There is a reason the polls always understate Trump’s support three elections in a row. 
 

The House

The Senate

President

majority of governors 

majority of state legislatures

that is called scoreboard. 

[Balcones 317]

8 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Noted for when most Americans disapprove of Donald Trump's job as president.

Over/under: July 1.

Can we make sure this approval poll is conducted by the same pollsters who predicted this years election?. 

[Dnaguy 11912]

7 minutes ago, Frank Drebin said:

You just heard from the silent majority.  There is a reason the polls always understate Trump’s support three elections in a row. 
 

The House

The Senate

President

majority of governors 

majority of state legislatures

that is called scoreboard. 

I can’t argue with the facts as it pertains to the right’s hold on American governance.

With all this power and control, what is the visions and the mandate for right? 

If your thesis is that the left is wrong on fundamental issues in American governance, what is your theory or reasoning for the rights success. I ask in not a of frame of what’s the right doing right rather than what the left is doing wrong?

I am grappling at these questions and would like your take on that.

[jimmyjazz 45877]

8 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Academic linguists have traditionally agreed that when we use the word "most" in English, we usually mean anything from 51 to 99 percent of given group of people or collection of objects

More specifically, while 'more than half' is usually used for proportions right above 50%, 'most' is used for proportions that are significantly higher than 50%.

[DaysOff 7943]

I can’t argue with the facts as it pertains to the right’s hold on American governance.
With all this power and control, what is the visions and the mandate for right? 
If your thesis is that the left is wrong on fundamental issues in American governance, what is your theory or reasoning for the rights success. I ask in not a of frame of what’s the right doing right rather than what the left is doing wrong?
I am grappling at these questions and would like your take on that.

This certainly wasn't a mandate. Flip a quarter a million votes in 3 or be just slightly less racist and she wins. Not dissimilar from the last two elections. But they own it now. You break it, you bought it.

[Dnaguy 11912]

1 minute ago, DaysOff said:

This certainly wasn't a mandate. Flip a quarter a million votes in 3 or be just slightly less racist and she wins. Not dissimilar from the last two elections. But they own it now. You break it, you bought it.

See I don’t even know if that’s true…. The breaking part.

They win on the blame game. There’s always someone else to blame.

So if that’s what the people want, a scapegoat, then you have an endless supply.

I don’t see his coalition getting weaker. He keeps getting stronger?

[Balcones 317]

11 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

 be just slightly less racist and she wins. .

Trump is going to mess up. He is going to proclaim something like, “your next Secretary of State will be a white male” or “excluding all other races/genders, I will consider the merits of a white male for the next SC justice.” Only Trump would eliminate someone based on their color or gender in making this important picks. Disgusting.

[jimmyjazz 45877]

Interesting vote totals for Trump:

2016 -- 63.0M

2020 -- 74.2M

2024 -- 73.5M

[Iceman 2690]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Interesting vote totals for Trump:

2016 -- 63.0M

2020 -- 74.2M

2024 -- 73.5M

Now do the same for Dems and tell us what's off...

[Frank Drebin 5654]

45 minutes ago, Balcones said:

Can we make sure this approval poll is conducted by the same pollsters who predicted this years election?. 

I think Ms. Selzer should run all polls going forward. She fucking nailed it!

1 minute ago, Iceman said:

Now do the same for Dems and tell us what's off...

Covid and net neutrality killed off all their voters.  

[Incredulity 11643]

1 hour ago, Frank Drebin said:

net neutrality

 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20390]

15 hours ago, Frank Drebin said:

Did I say they did?  

Yes you did. 

[Frank Drebin 5654]

44 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Yes you did. 

Maybe it is even more than 51.5%.  I probably underestimated.

 

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[Foosters 17820]

On 11/7/2024 at 6:52 AM, Frank Drebin said:

Americans don't give a fuck about January 6 despite all the pearl clutching and theatrics from the left.  The real threat to democracy was the attempted Russian collusion coup and Banana Republic lawfare.  Most Americans agree with me on this, as is evidenced by the ass kicking Trump just gave you.

Do you care about the below?  Equivocate all you want about the events on 1/6 and the protests in the summer of 2020, but Trump spent 3 months trying to steal an election that he lost, was told that he lost, and knew that he lost. This is lifted directly from Judge David Carter's opinion in the Eastman case. 

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Dr. Eastman claims that the 2020 presidential election was “one of the most controversial in American history.” Despite the lack of evidence of election tampering, “a significant portion of the population came to believe the election was tainted by fraud, disregard of state election law, misconduct by election officials and other factors.” In the months after the election, President Trump and Dr. Eastman helped foster those public beliefs and encouraged state legislators to question the election results.

Dr. Eastman testified before and met with “state legislators[] to advise them of their constitutional authority . . . to direct the ‘manner’ of choosing presidential electors.” Relying on public interviews with attendees, the Select Committee states that on January 2, 2021, President Trump and Dr. Eastman hosted a briefing urging several hundred state legislators from states won by President Biden to “decertify” electors. President Trump also made personal appeals to state officials. On January 2, he called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to discuss allegations of election fraud. During the call, President Trump repeatedly claimed it was impossible for him to have lost the popular vote in Georgia, and repeatedly mentioned his “current margin [of] only 11,779” votes. He explained to Secretary Raffensperger that he did not care about specific fraud numbers as long as he won, “because what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by half a million votes[?]”  When Secretary Raffensperger pushed back against these requests, the President warned of public anger and threatened criminal consequences. The President interspersed the conversation with specific fraud claims—dead people voting, absentee ballot forgeries, trucks ferrying illegal ballots, and machines stuffed with “unvoted” ballots. Mr. Raffensperger debunked the allegations “point by point” and explained that “the data you have is wrong;” however, President Trump still told him, “I just want to find 11,780 votes.”

The next day, President Trump attempted to elevate Jeffrey Clark to Acting Attorney General, based on Mr. Clark’s statements that he would write a letter to contested states saying that the election may have been stolen and urging them to decertify electors. The White House Counsel described Mr. Clark’s proposed letter as a “murder-suicide pact” that would “damage everyone who touches it” and commented “we should have nothing to do with that letter.” President Trump eventually did not promote Mr. Clark after multiple high-ranking members of the Department of Justice threatened mass resignations that would leave the Department a “graveyard.”

In the months following the election, numerous credible sources–from the President’s inner circle to agency leadership to statisticians–informed President Trump and Dr. Eastman that there was no evidence of election fraud. One week after the election, the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency declared “[t]he November 3rd election [] the most secure in American history” and found “no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised.” An internal Trump Campaign memo concluded in November that fraud claims related to Dominion voting machines were baseless. In early December, Attorney General Barr publicly stated there was no evidence of fraud, and on December 27, Deputy Attorney General Donoghue privately told President Trump that after “dozens of investigations, hundreds of interviews,” the Department of Justice had concluded that “the major allegations [of election fraud] are not supported by the evidence developed.”

Still, President Trump repeatedly urged that “the Department [of Justice] should publicly say that the election is corrupt or suspect or not reliable.” By early January, more than sixty court cases alleging fraud had been dismissed for lack of evidence or lack of standing.

2. Plan to disrupt electoral count

In response to alleged fraud, Dr. Eastman researched and planned a strategy for President Trump to win the election. Just after Christmas, Dr. Eastman wrote a now-public two page memo proposing that Vice President Pence refuse to count certified electoral votes from states contested by the Trump campaign: Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. The memo outlines the two ways in which Dr. Eastman’s plan ensures “President Trump is re-elected.” If Vice President Pence refused to count electoral votes from all seven contested states, President Trump would win 232 votes to 222. Alternatively, if Congress claimed that a candidate could not win without reaching 270 votes, Vice President Pence could send the election to the Republican-majority House of Representatives, which would then elect President Trump. The memo emphasizes that “[t]he main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission – either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court.” On January 3, 2021, Dr. Eastman drafted a six-page memo expanding on his plan and analysis, which he later disclosed to the media. This memo “war gam[ed]” four potential scenarios for January 6, only some of which would lead to President Trump winning reelection. Claiming that “[t]he stakes could not be higher,” Dr. Eastman concludes his memo stating that his plan is “BOLD, Certainly. But this Election was Stolen by a strategic Democrat plan to systematically flout existing election laws for partisan advantage; we’re no longer playing by Queensbury Rules.”

On January 4, President Trump and Dr. Eastman invited Vice President Pence, the Vice President’s counsel Greg Jacob, and the Vice President’s Chief of Staff Marc Short to the Oval Office to discuss Dr. Eastman’s memo. Dr. Eastman presented only two courses of action for the Vice President on January 6: to reject electors or delay the count. During that meeting, Vice President Pence consistently held that he did not possess the authority to carry out Dr. Eastman’s proposal. The Vice President’s counsel and chief of staff were then directed to meet separately with Dr. Eastman the next day to review materials in support of his plan. Dr. Eastman opened the meeting on January 5 bluntly: “I’m here asking you to reject the electors.” Vice President’s counsel Greg Jacob and Dr. Eastman spent the majority of the meeting in a Socratic debate on the merits of the memo’s legal arguments. Over the course of their discussion, Dr. Eastman’s focus pivoted from requesting Vice President Pence reject the electors to asking him to delay the count, which he presented as more “palatable.” Ultimately, Dr. Eastman conceded that his argument was contrary to consistent historical practice, would likely be unanimously rejected by the Supreme Court, and violated the Electoral Count Act on four separate grounds. Despite receiving pushback, President Trump and Dr. Eastman continued to urge Vice President Pence to carry out the plan. At 1:00 am on January 6, President Trump tweeted, “If Vice President @Mike_Pence comes through for us, we will win the Presidency . . . Mike can send it back!” At 8:17 a.m., the President tweeted again, “States want to correct their votes . . . All Mike Pence has to do is send them back to the States, AND WE WIN. Do it Mike, this is a time for extreme courage!” Following his tweets, President Trump placed two calls to Vice President Pence directly. After not being able to connect with the Vice President around 9:00 am, they spoke at approximately 11:20 am. Vice President Pence’s National Security Advisor, General Keith Kellogg, Jr., was present and described President Trump as berating the Vice President for “not [being] tough enough to make the call” to delay or reject electoral votes.

 3. Attack on the Capitol

On January 6, 2021, tens of thousands of people gathered outside the White House to protest the lawful transition of power from President Trump to President Joseph Biden. Both Dr. Eastman and President Trump gave speeches to relay the plan not just to the thousands gathered at the Ellipse but also to those watching at home. President Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani, introduced Dr. Eastman before he spoke as the “professor” who would “explain . . . what happened last night, how they cheated, and how it was exactly the same as what they did on November 3.” Dr. Eastman declared to the crowd: And all we are demanding of Vice President Pence is this afternoon at 1:00 he let the legislators of the state look into this so we get to the bottom of it, and the American people know whether we have control of the direction of our government, or not. We no longer live in a self-governing republic if we can’t get the answer to this question. This is bigger than President Trump. It is a very essence of our republican form of government, and it has to be done. And anybody that is not willing to stand up to do it, does not deserve to be in the office. It is that simple." 

President Trump then took the podium. He began with praise for Dr. Eastman and his plan to have Vice President Pence disrupt the count: Thank you very much, John. . . . John is one of the most brilliant lawyers in the country, and he looked at this and he said, “What an absolute disgrace that this can be happening to our Constitution.” . . . Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. Before the Joint Session of Congress began, Vice President Pence publicly rejected President Trump and Dr. Eastman’s plan: “It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.” At 1:00 pm, members of Congress began the Joint Session as required by the Twelfth Amendment and the Electoral Count Act. Soon after, President Trump finished his speech by urging his supporters to walk with him to the Capitol:

"Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down, we’re going to walk down. . . . [W]e’re going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help. We’re going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue."

After President Trump’s speech, several hundred protesters left the rally and stormed the Capitol building. As the D.C. Circuit described it: Shortly after the speech, a large crowd of President Trump’s supporters—including some armed with weapons and wearing full tactical gear—marched to the Capitol and violently broke into the building to try and prevent Congress’s certification of the election results. The mob quickly overwhelmed law enforcement and scaled walls, smashed through barricades, and shattered windows to gain access to the interior of the Capitol. Police officers were attacked with chemical agents, beaten with flag poles and frozen water bottles, and crushed between doors and throngs of rioters.

 

[Gatorubet 30183]

On 11/7/2024 at 8:52 AM, Frank Drebin said:

Americans don't give a fuck about January 6 despite all the pearl clutching and theatrics from the left.  The real threat to democracy was the attempted Russian collusion coup and Banana Republic lawfare.  Most Americans agree with me on this, as is evidenced by the ass kicking Trump just gave you.

These are great posts, because you can tell who the dumbest motherfuckers are - the most gullible, putrid, assholes on the site - by noting who gives positive rep to posts like this.