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In today's NYT:

Free linky:  https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/politics/pamela-hemphill-trump-jan-6-pardon-rejection.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rU4.aHbd.AIDElZpCUeIi&smid=url-share

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Trump Pardoned Her for Storming the Capitol. ‘Absolutely Not,’ She Said.
Pamela Hemphill, 71, of Boise, Idaho, who served 60 days in prison, said it would be “an insult to the Capitol Police” if she accepted the pardon.

Pam Hemphill, wearing a multicolored jacket, gray cap and glasses.

Pam Hemphill was sentenced to 60 days in prison and three years of probation for her role in the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol.


Michael Levenson
By Michael Levenson
Jan. 22, 2025

Many of those convicted of storming the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, have celebrated the pardons or commutations that they received this week from President Trump.

Not Pamela Hemphill. A retired drug and alcohol counselor who lives in Boise, Idaho, she pleaded guilty in January 2022 to a misdemeanor offense for entering the Capitol during the riot and was sentenced to 60 days in prison and three years of probation.

She said she did not want a pardon.

“Absolutely not,” Ms. Hemphill said in an interview on Wednesday. “It’s an insult to the Capitol Police, to the rule of law and to the nation. If I accept a pardon, I’m continuing their propaganda, their gaslighting and all their falsehoods they’re putting out there about Jan. 6.”

Ms. Hemphill, 71, who was called “MAGA Granny” in some news headlines, has said that she no longer supports Mr. Trump or believes his lie that the 2020 election was stolen. She said that a therapist had helped change her view of the attack by telling her she was “not a victim of Jan. 6; I was a volunteer.”

“I lost my critical thinking,” she said on Wednesday, reflecting on her involvement in the riot and the “Stop the Steal” movement. “Now I know it was a cult, and I was in a cult.”

Her wish to reject the pardon was previously reported by The Idaho Statesman. Ms. Hemphill said she had spoken with a lawyer about spurning the grant of clemency but had not taken any legal action to do so.

It is not clear that she can legally reject the pardon.

“It would be a novel act to file a court case to reject a pardon of a misdemeanor, in part because of the low stakes,” Mark Osler, a professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law in Minneapolis, said in an interview.

There is some legal precedent, however, suggesting that any such request could face an uphill battle.

In December, two federal prisoners whose death sentences were commuted last year by President Biden asked a judge to block the reduction in their sentences, arguing that it could jeopardize their appeals. Judge James R. Sweeney II of U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Indiana dismissed the prisoners’ requests last week, ruling that the prisoners could not reject their commutations, even if they did not ask for them or want them.

Judge Sweeney pointed to a 1927 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that found that a prisoner who had been sentenced to death could not reject a commutation from President William Howard Taft. (Taft, by then the chief justice, did not take part in the case.)

The prisoner argued that the commutation had been issued without his consent. But Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. wrote that the president did not need the prisoner’s consent for the commutation to take effect.

“Just as the original punishment would be imposed without regard to the prisoner’s consent and in the teeth of his will, whether he liked it or not, the public welfare, not his consent, determines what shall be done,” Holmes wrote.

Judge Sweeney wrote that the decision, although nearly a century old, “remains good law.”

 

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19 hours ago, C-Man said:

Watch QAnon Shaman’s interview with BBC journalist. He affects a British accent when she correctly reminds him that he pled guilty.

https://cdn.jwplayer.com/previews/45m5VuP0

 

4 hours ago, C-Man said:

It's actually worth the 68 seconds. American TV journalists should take notes from the British lady. And QAnon Shaman's wackadoodle statement about not being able to take a gun to a gunfight, etc.

Yeah, no. I watched it and this came to mind 

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Gotta love these conservatives and (apparently) liberals saying the election outcome was determined by "anti-incumbency" .... Lulz.

Ya' just can't blame the christians for anything. 

This election was won by the decades of unchecked religious fanaticism (especially on abortion/trans/LGBTQIA) and racism -- ie, CHRISTO-FASCISM

-- Partially fueled by fascist billionaires and totally fueled by Fox News, the Evangelical churches, and the unrelenting hate, anti-science idiocy, toxic masculinity, and conspiracy theory on social media. 

Enough with the excuses and apologia. 

Fanatical religion, racism, idiocy (etc). End of story.

 

 

 

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43 minutes ago, BevoAbyss said:

Gotta love these conservatives and (apparently) liberals saying the election outcome was determined by "anti-incumbency" .... Lulz.

Ya' just can't blame the christians for anything. 

This election was won by the decades of unchecked religious fanaticism (especially on abortion/trans/LGBTQIA) and racism -- ie, CHRISTO-FASCISM

-- Partially fueled by fascist billionaires and totally fueled by Fox News, the Evangelical churches, and the unrelenting hate, anti-science idiocy, toxic masculinity, and conspiracy theory on social media. 

Enough with the excuses and apologia. 

Fanatical religion, racism, idiocy (etc). End of story.

 

 

 

A whole bunch of the dipshits that voted Trump this time round just knew that life sucked in the Covid inflation/recession and incorrectly blamed it on Biden  And were too stupid to understand that Trump offered no solutions.  It's a worldwide phenomenon.

Sure, christofascists are behind Trump because he's a useful idiot, but they were behind him in 2016 and 2020 too.

They're "but for" liable for Trump, but a large proximate cause of the 2020 to 2024 swing was anti-incumbency.  And a complete failure to understand what Trump offered, including Christofascism.

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12 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

A whole bunch of the dipshits that voted Trump this time round just knew that life sucked in the Covid inflation/recession and incorrectly blamed it on Biden  And were too stupid to understand that Trump offered no solutions

And just who were these "dipshits"?

-- Atheists? Existentialists? 

-- Committed secularists who know Dobbs is a terrifying decision and want to maintain the wall between Church and State?

Nope.

99% of these stupid dipshits (your words) were absolutely Christians and they think God and Donnie have their back? 

-- And when Donnie does not have their back, the leopards feast. Ha!

-- They may not be even be Evangelical fanatics ... just passive Christian believers ... but they still don't a shit about abortion, women's rights, LGBTQIA, the environment or anything or anyone outside their tiny little narcissist worldview. And I have relatives in Texas who are exactly this, not Evangelical fanatics, but still voted for Donnie because he is God's best choice vs the Commie Kamala.

Typical Christians, Evangelical or otherwise (and any other religious fanatics). That some Christians voted for Kamala does not change anything about these facts.

It's obvious to anyone not an apologist. 

Unfortunately, our culture and media are filled with denialists, enablers, sanewashers everywhere.

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2 hours ago, BevoAbyss said:

And just who were these "dipshits"?

-- Atheists? Existentialists? 

-- Committed secularists who know Dobbs is a terrifying decision and want to maintain the wall between Church and State?

Nope.

99% of these stupid dipshits (your words) were absolutely Christians and they think God and Donnie have their back? 

-- And when Donnie does not have their back, the leopards feast. Ha!

-- They may not be even be Evangelical fanatics ... just passive Christian believers ... but they still don't a shit about abortion, women's rights, LGBTQIA, the environment or anything or anyone outside their tiny little narcissist worldview. And I have relatives in Texas who are exactly this, not Evangelical fanatics, but still voted for Donnie because he is God's best choice vs the Commie Kamala.

Typical Christians, Evangelical or otherwise (and any other religious fanatics). That some Christians voted for Kamala does not change anything about these facts.

It's obvious to anyone not an apologist. 

Unfortunately, our culture and media are filled with denialists, enablers, sanewashers everywhere.

A whole bunch of disengaged people and their disengagement very likely includes religion, as well as the specific things you mention.  And they're not narcissists either, just big dummies that woke up one day this fall and said life sucks because my job sucks and prices are too high.  And Trump, as is his wont, managed to gather their attention just long enough to get them to vote.

Further, I might retract my statement that christofascists are the but-for cause of Trump.

Trump came out of nowhere in particular theo-philosophically and politically.  He opportunistically aligned with Republicans.

Only after he won power and complete obeisance from the GOP did the christofascists begin to work behind the scenes to further their agenda.

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Gotta love the supposedly "liberal" theist/religious apologists in Surly.

When ya ain't got any empirical argument for your God ... and ya cherry pick from the Bible ... and many of those God believers do VERY bad things to women, LGBTQIA, people of color, and more... all ya got left is to insult the atheists with "bigotry" and "Fuck Off." Nothing ever changes. 

No wonder why MAGA is turning this country into a Fascist Theocracy.

Don't worry, one day MAGA will come for the atheists and y'all won't have to yell "Fuck off" at us.

Keep it up. Your God is winning, big time.

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