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I am doing my job with this cunt. Seriously, fuck her. She fucked around, and she is sure as shit finding out.

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On 12/29/2021 at 5:48 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

we're so fucking lucky so many of those people were dumber than sacks of shit

Welcome to Qanon!

It would be cool to see a breakdown of Q followers vs non-Q followers on January 6th, because me thinks the Qanon crowd was extremely well-represented there.  While Trump has plenty of followers who deny reality in one way or another, most know that going past police lines and into the Capitol would get you into some trouble, either of the physical sort on the spot, or legal problems down the road.

A lot of them definitely had living/employment situations where they had way too much free time to be radicalized on the internet.

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2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

You call it lucky.  I call it "a necessary condition."

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It's like you can't have incest without the SEC.

Well, that's not the best example, but the point is, these people had to be stupid to be there and think it was a good idea to enter the Capitol under those conditions.  Or mentally ill.  Or both.

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https://apnews.com/article/ashli-babbitt-capitol-siege-a15c7e52a04d932972b7a284c7a8f7df

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The first time Celeste Norris laid eyes on Ashli Babbitt, the future insurrectionist had just rammed her vehicle three times with an SUV and was pounding on the window, challenging her to a fight.

Norris says the bad blood between them began in 2015, when Babbitt engaged in a monthslong extramarital affair with Norris’ longtime live-in boyfriend. When she learned of the relationship, Norris called Babbitt’s husband and told him she was cheating.

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“She pulls up yelling and screaming,” Norris said in an exclusive interview with The Associated Press, recounting the July 29, 2016, road-rage incident in Prince Frederick, Maryland. “It took me a good 30 seconds to figure out who she was. … Just all sorts of expletives, telling me to get out of the car, that she was going to beat my ass.”

Terrified and confused, Norris dialed 911 and waited for law enforcement. Babbitt was later charged with numerous misdemeanors.

So crazy is....crazy.

 

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1 minute ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

She got what she deserved. 

No she didn't.  If she got what she deserved she would have been dropped a whole lot sooner -- when the attackers intent on taking out Congress breached the first secure perimeter, had the Capitol Police been adequately armed and prepared, they should have hit the attackers hard.  Mace, rubber bullets, all of it.

Ironically, had the cops been properly prepared, she probably would still be alive.

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47 minutes ago, Gooby said:

If the hashtags are correct, they're sending her to the Bryan FPC.

Yeah, I saw somewhere that that is where she reported.  Probably pretty lucky to get in-state.  That is how it's supposed to work, but BOP has been so crowded for so long that it isn't how it often works.

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https://apnews.com/article/ashli-babbitt-capitol-siege-a15c7e52a04d932972b7a284c7a8f7df

So crazy is....crazy.

I don’t care about her past. She could’ve been Mother Teresa* in her past. When she died assaulting the Capitol she was a martyr in the same way that the 9/11 hijackers were martyrs. Only enemies of America think she’s a martyr. So of course Trump and his supporters think she’s a martyr.

* And yes, I’m aware that in reality Mother Teresa wasn’t exactly a saint. But you know what I mean.

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3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t care about her past. She could’ve been Mother Teresa* in her past. When she died assaulting the Capitol she was a martyr in the same way that the 9/11 hijackers were martyrs. Only enemies of America think she’s a martyr. So of course Trump and his supporters think she’s a martyr.

* And yes, I’m aware that in reality Mother Teresa wasn’t exactly a saint. But you know what I mean.

Yeah, it's interesting to know she was cray-cray, but it's irrelevant to what happened.

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I find it interesting in an anthropological way.

We’re dealing with some fallout because we had to have a Come to Jesus sit down with two surgeons (one general, one ortho) about using their wives as a proxy to post COVID conspiracy bullshit and using the hospital Facebook page to spread misleading stuff about the hospital rules.

(Like, come on guys. When your “wife” is posting the same garbage you’ve been spewing - word for word - at medical staff meetings, it doesn’t take Columbo to follow the clues.)

All that to say, I’ve been thinking a lot about why this was the breaking point for a lot of these people.

What about this pushed them to tip over into crazy and aggressive and violent? Or have they always been this way and hidden it for 45+ years?

It almost makes me feel better when I find out nutters like Ashli Babbit have always been aggressive and crazy.

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36 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

I find it interesting in an anthropological way.

We’re dealing with some fallout because we had to have a Come to Jesus sit down with two surgeons (one general, one ortho) about using their wives as a proxy to post COVID conspiracy bullshit and using the hospital Facebook page to spread misleading stuff about the hospital rules.

(Like, come on guys. When your “wife” is posting the same garbage you’ve been spewing - word for word - at medical staff meetings, it doesn’t take Columbo to follow the clues.)

All that to say, I’ve been thinking a lot about why this was the breaking point for a lot of these people.

What about this pushed them to tip over into crazy and aggressive and violent? Or have they always been this way and hidden it for 45+ years?

It almost makes me feel better when I find out nutters like Ashli Babbit have always been aggressive and crazy.

It's really nuts.  My FIL is a pretty big Trumper, but not Q-crazy.  However, he has always maintained an affinity for "alternative medicine" and has always believed that the medical establishment and pharma are holding out the best cures and treatments because there's no money in it.

But he's all in on the ivermectin and shit, at least as far as believing that it might work and should be "given a chance."  But he is vaxxed and boosted.  I'm like why do you waste so much time on this shit?  You wear masks, you're vaxxed, you basically do what you should as a citizen to keep Covid to a dull roar, so why the fuck do you spend so much time listening to this quackery?

And the answer really is nothing more than immersion in right-wing media.  No more, no less.  The over-reaction to "left wing media" has these fuckers hooked through the bag.

He likes Jimmy Dore because supposedly Dore is a socialist, personally.  But I showed him Dore's listing of videos and EVERY, SINGLE, ONE OF THEM maintains or promotes some right-wing conspiracy or orthodoxy.  Not a single variation, dissent, or questioning of any of it.  And I told him, when some media outlet posts only what you think you want to hear, you had better watch out.  I could tell that struck a nerve with him.

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On 12/29/2021 at 4:43 PM, Lobo said:

You're smoking weed and looking to Donald Trump for advice on the food pyramid?  That's convenient.  

"A lot of people are saying the four food groups should be McDonald's, Burger King, well done steaks with ketchup and hidden cauliflower mashed potatoes, and on top---Taco Salad."

(takes massive hit off joint)

"Yeah, this guy's making a lot of sense right now."  

As a massive cannabis consumer, I can tell you there is no relationship between cannabis consumption and eating well-done steaks with ketchup.  But Heaven help you if you are one of my kid’s lunchbox-sized bag of Fritos at 10:30pm on a weeknight.

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21 minutes ago, Goredho said:

As a massive cannabis consumer, I can tell you there is no relationship between cannabis consumption and eating well-done steaks with ketchup.  But Heaven help you if you are one of my kid’s lunchbox-sized bag of Fritos at 10:30pm on a weeknight.

Thank you for this. Have already copied and sent to the wife who was trying to tell me that its "problematic" that I eat my child's school lunch at night when baked.

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2 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t care about her past.

2 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, it's interesting to know she was cray-cray, but it's irrelevant to what happened.

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

I find it interesting in an anthropological way.
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All that to say, I’ve been thinking a lot about why this was the breaking point for a lot of these people.

What about this pushed them to tip over into crazy and aggressive and violent? Or have they always been this way and hidden it for 45+ years?

It almost makes me feel better when I find out nutters like Ashli Babbit have always been aggressive and crazy.

I think it's fairly important when this kind of stuff comes out, because it reaffirms what a lot of us think, or our experience with the Q-following relatives/acquaintances/etc.

It's one thing for us to say "obviously these people are mentally ill and need to be treated as such", and it's another when we get actual proof from years past.

It ties into what Bama Chick is talking about - what pushed them over the edge.

But for me, it also gets into the twin issues of how we need to have a long talk about how these people people 1) are being radicalized and 2) being used and abused, which then leads into who is doing the using and abusing.

Because right now, the GOP is using and abusing these folks in a way that political parties/campaigns haven't done so in the past - GOP members, all the way up into the highest positions in the party, are feeding misinformation to their followers, knowing that these mentally ill types are hanging on every word.

It's very easy to point to Tucker Carlson's legal team saying basically any rational person doesn't believe what he's saying and that he's just pumping out entertainment, but we are overlooking the non-rational/mentally-ill types are lapping this stuff up.

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25 minutes ago, Goredho said:

As a massive cannabis consumer, I can tell you there is no relationship between cannabis consumption and eating well-done steaks with ketchup.  But Heaven help you if you are one of my kid’s lunchbox-sized bag of Fritos at 10:30pm on a weeknight.

What are your thoughts on Taco Bell's "Fourth Meal?"

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13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Because right now, the GOP is using and abusing these folks in a way that political parties/campaigns haven't done so in the past - GOP members, all the way up into the highest positions in the party, are feeding misinformation to their followers, knowing that these mentally ill types are hanging on every word.

Well, maybe.  If you just want to point to the fact that the word gets out wider and deeper than before, yeah.  But I think it's unwise to assume that political parties haven't manipulated simpleton foot soldiers at the grass roots level for as long as there have been politicians.  Getting fools to act against their better interests has been the core strategy of politicians since the dawn of time.

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2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

Well, maybe.  If you just want to point to the fact that the word gets out wider and deeper than before, yeah.  But I think it's unwise to assume that political parties haven't manipulated simpleton foot soldiers at the grass roots level for as long as there have been politicians.  Getting fools to act against their better interests has been the core strategy of politicians since the dawn of time.

Oh, there's been shenanigans (McCain has a Black daughter, etc.) and there's playing fast-and-loose with the truth, and then there's the shit we've seen since November, 2020's election.

Things like The Big Lie where Republican leaders won't commit to Biden having won fair-and-square has taken things to another level.

This goes beyond Jimmy Carter telling John Hinckley Jr. that Reagan was fucking Jodie Foster.

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47 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Oh, there's been shenanigans (McCain has a Black daughter, etc.) and there's playing fast-and-loose with the truth

It should probably be pointed out for the younger folks that this wasn’t a dirty trick perpetrated by the Democrats. It happened in 2000 and it was Karl Rove who started the whisper campaign in order to help his candidate George W. Bush win the South Carolina primary. McCain did have an adopted black daughter but Rove spread the rumor that she was his illegitimate offspring. And it worked.

Rove was a master of dirty politics. Didn’t he also spread a rumor that Ann Richards was a lesbian during Dubya’s campaign for Governor of Texas?

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3 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think it's fairly important when this kind of stuff comes out, because it reaffirms what a lot of us think, or our experience with the Q-following relatives/acquaintances/etc.

It's one thing for us to say "obviously these people are mentally ill and need to be treated as such", and it's another when we get actual proof from years past.

It ties into what Bama Chick is talking about - what pushed them over the edge.

But for me, it also gets into the twin issues of how we need to have a long talk about how these people people 1) are being radicalized and 2) being used and abused, which then leads into who is doing the using and abusing.

Because right now, the GOP is using and abusing these folks in a way that political parties/campaigns haven't done so in the past - GOP members, all the way up into the highest positions in the party, are feeding misinformation to their followers, knowing that these mentally ill types are hanging on every word.

It's very easy to point to Tucker Carlson's legal team saying basically any rational person doesn't believe what he's saying and that he's just pumping out entertainment, but we are overlooking the non-rational/mentally-ill types are lapping this stuff up.

I don't tend find the psychology of Trumpers all that complicated when I encounter it. We live in a time where people who don't ever grow up out of adolescence are still inculcated with enough examples of adulthood from television and movies that they more or less develop the ability to act the part. So, their acting job is sufficient to convince most of us that they are "normal" adults, and we're all busy with our own lives so we don't pay much attention anyways. But behind the scenes, they spend their entire adult lives hanging on to the adolescent view of themselves as the center of the universe. When a conspiracy fantasy comes along that offers them a once in a lifetime role of being a soldier in an army that's saving "western civilization," it presents their ego with a good enough and more importantly *realistic* opportunity to be special and noble that they're happy to share center stage with everyone else who is in the same boat as them.

They're children in grown up bodies.

But, I've only seen a few handful, so I could obviously be wildly extrapolating from a small sample set...

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9 minutes ago, ndawg said:

I don't tend find the psychology of Trumpers all that complicated when I encounter it. We live in a time where people who don't ever grow up out of adolescence are still inculcated with enough examples of adulthood from television and movies that they more or less develop the ability to act the part. So, their acting job is sufficient to convince most of us that they are "normal" adults, and we're all busy with our own lives so we don't pay much attention anyways. But behind the scenes, they spend their entire adult lives hanging on to the adolescent view of themselves as the center of the universe. When a conspiracy fantasy comes along that offers them a once in a lifetime role of being a soldier in an army that's saving "western civilization," it presents their ego with a good enough and more importantly *realistic* opportunity to be special and noble that they're happy to share center stage with everyone else who is in the same boat as them.

They're children in grown up bodies.

But, I've only seen a few handful, so I could obviously be wildly extrapolating from a small sample set...

Just watch the movie “Falling Down.” Came out in 93 and pretty much explains things from the trumper mindset 25 years in advance. 

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9 hours ago, Gooby said:

https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/bry/

Looks like it's in the middle of a neighborhood just outside of downtown.

Okay, not ideal.  it's a small facility and we don't know anybody on the inmate directory.  However, there are some connected Cholas in there doing stretches for non-violent drug trafficking offenses.  They're usually down for some gentle beatings and quick cash.  Here's the wish list from their own commissary:  https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/bry/BRY_commlist_032119.pdf     We can go up to $360 per inmate per cycle.  

She's been in close to a week already, so that means about 7 more weeks.  It's a very minimal security facility so any type of violence gets noticed real quick.  So the goal would really be to just have a couple of cheap shots to Jenna every week or so.  I'm thinking the psychological route is the more effective way here.  just have these women say they know her now from social media and some friends of theirs are gonna pay a visit to her next Metroplex open house unless she pays them off not to fuck up business for her.  still, I'd like her to leave with some permanent scar or bruising or broken skin.  I mean she has photos of herself on a private jet, she's ripe for being shaken-down/blackmailed even if she doesn't have much money to her name.  Plus the upcoming book/movie deal and likely spot on the next Trump speaking tour.  Just gently remind these ladies who they are in there with and they'll take care of the taunting and shakedown themselves.  

With any luck, Jenna will take her own life in 6 months.  

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8 hours ago, Goredho said:

As a massive cannabis consumer, I can tell you there is no relationship between cannabis consumption and eating well-done steaks with ketchup.  But Heaven help you if you are one of my kid’s lunchbox-sized bag of Fritos at 10:30pm on a weeknight.

I'm partial to baked Lays, because if I'm going eat an entire big bag of chips by myself, they need to be healthier than Fritos.

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15 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a42565/donald-trump-falling-down-2016/

Jesus that's like a bucket of cold water to the face. Our worst hyperbole in 2015-16 couldn't have come close to the reality of 2020. FTA:

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At one crucial juncture in the movie, Foster enters an army surplus store run by a racist conspiracy theorist who has heard about his rampage and heartily approves. "I'm with you, don't you get it?" he tells Foster. "We're the same, you and me." Foster disagrees: "We're not the same. I'm an American. You're a sick asshole." Such skewed logic is present, though in a far less overtly violent tone, with Trump. He wants to ban Muslims and build a wall; refuses to turn his back on the KKK; and won't disavow Benito Mussolini, whom he quoted approvingly this past weekend.

To be clear: we're not suggesting that Trump or his supporters will conduct or endorse such brutal violence. But we've moved way beyond Idiocracy, a movie about a future where a bunch of idiots can't figure out that watering crops with Gatorade will harm them, Starbucks gives hand jobs, and the most popular film of the year is called ASS. It imagines a time where everyone is dumb but basically sweet. President Camacho wants the best for people. I doubt we will be able to say the same about possible-President Trump. At this point Idiocracy looks less like documentary, and more like wishful thinking.

We're at the point where republican mainstream dogma IS the racist conspiracy theorist in the surplus store. 

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Jesus that's like a bucket of cold water to the face. Our worst hyperbole in 2015-16 couldn't have come close to the reality of 2020. FTA:

We're at the point where republican mainstream dogma IS the racist conspiracy theorist in the surplus store. 

Yet just like Michael Douglas in the movie they are in total denial about it. They’re not racist conspiracy theorists, those guys are total assholes. They’re just patriotic Americans! 
 

Also I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that Robert Duval is in the movie as the retiring cop who eventually tracks the Michael Douglas character down. 

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Also I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that Robert Duval is in the movie as the retiring cop who eventually tracks the Michael Douglas character down. 

And it would be remiss of me if I didn’t mention that tomorrow will be Robert Duvall’s 91st birthday. 

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23 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I don’t care about her past. She could’ve been Mother Teresa* in her past. When she died assaulting the Capitol she was a martyr in the same way that the 9/11 hijackers were martyrs. Only enemies of America think she’s a martyr. So of course Trump and his supporters think she’s a martyr.

* And yes, I’m aware that in reality Mother Teresa wasn’t exactly a saint. But you know what I mean.

I think this is a great point. Too often we seem to want to sift through a person's past to justify whatever good or bad happened to them in a specific moment. Had Babbit been sexually assaulted and strangled to death, research into her past would be all about how nice she was and how she didn't deserve her fate.

The most hateful woman in the world doesn't "deserve" sexual assault and murder or being shot by the police for her past. Babbit is accountable for her actions when she was killed. Period. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Gooby said:

One day this stupid bitch is gonna realize that her problems stem from the fact that she won't SHUT THE FUCK UP.

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She said other people have made the same comparison and that she “definitely” feels she is being persecuted.

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