Identifying Trump rioters

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah they purposely live in mostly-white master planned communities with access to their work, their schools, their Wal-Mart, and their Chili's.  Not a violent crime happening within 10 miles of them, just opioid abuse and some petty theft.  And they pack assault rifles every fucking waking minute.  I don't get that.  If it's so dangerous where you live and drive, just fucking move.  

It's like that fucking scene in "Swingers" time and time again with these fucksticks.

"What the fuck are you open-carrying an AR-15 for Reffitt?  You live in a nice neighborhood."  

Him, "You don't know what it's like out here Lobo, we live right by South Dallas." 

"Dude, you live in a KB Homes development between Plano and Garland."  

Him, "Whatever man, I kept our rep!  Right, bros?"   

[atomheartbevo 90650]

31 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

His family said he traveled with his AR 15 all the time.  What is it with these people who are so afraid that whenever they go anywhere they have to bring the AR 15 with them?  

A cousin's boyfriend talked to me over the holidays at a family get together (which hasn't turned into a super spreader event yet) because I was in the Army back in the 90s, and he was wanting to talk guns, because he had a couple of AR-15s, and somehow this relates to me using an M-16A2 25 years ago.

I asked him why he had multiple AR-15s (and a couple of sidearms, a shotgun, a dedicated deer rifle), and his was response was that they didn't live in a good neighborhood and needed them for security.

We were in fucking Arkansas.  I told him that he has a few thousand dollars tied up in firearms, an expensive UTV (at least $10,000) and a $35,000 Dodge Challenger.  I told him he could sell those firearms, sell the UTV and Challenger (the Challenger was not even close to being paid off, and I don't think the UTV was either), move to a better area with some of the money.

It's fucking Arkansas, I'm sure ditching the fucking car and UTV payments alone would free up hundreds a month for a better apartment complex or even into a leased duplex or home (or hell a trailer), and even use some of the money to knock out a two-year degree at a community college or two-year college or whatever so he'd be making more money.

Apparently when I started telling him to sell stuff/stop buying shit with long-term payments and get into a better neighborhood, I began speaking a foreign language.

[DDD Dad 14652]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

16 minutes in and facebook has already been mentioned twice.  That's the common denominator here.  None of this is new or shocking.

Also, this guy is a liar and/or general piece of shit.  Says he's a lifelong democrat and watches CNN, yet somehow was a dotard supporter and liked the message from dotard of "Make America Great Again".

Also he said he didn’t watch Fox but did watch OAN?  Like that’s better?

[RDCanecutter 26893]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Apparently when I started telling him to sell stuff/stop buying shit with long-term payments and get into a better neighborhood, I began speaking a foreign language.

He does not own his possessions. He is his possessions. If he were to do something other than plow all his income into widgets bought on payments, he would lose caste. His peers would know he had secretly chopped off his own dick.

If his neighborhood truly is bad, at least he didn't make himself a burglary target by filling the house with extra firearms.

[Born to Run 6601]

Guy Reffitt was an unemployed oil-field worker.  I did not see that coming. 

His family said he traveled with his AR 15 all the time.  What is it with these people who are so afraid that whenever they go anywhere they have to bring the AR 15 with them?  

 

It's by design for profit by the NRA, Fox News, Rush etc. I don't know about now, but back in the 90s all the NRA magazines were chock full of fear porn with thwarted home invasions, robberies etc by heroes with guns. Countless women were rescued. And all the old white dudes I knew had elaborate plans for home invasions, race wars etc.

To be fair, H town in my hood in the 80s was rough, car jacking, robberies, I got mugged twice before 9 th grade at gunpoint. My uncle killed a guy in his garage over petty theft.

Car jackings dropped off the charts when people started shooting back.

I slept with a shotgun next to my bed in High School.. But I got the fuck out, and relocated my mom too. She is unarmed, my guns are all in the safe and I often neglect to lock my door. Most of the left leaning folks I know are the same way- they don't live in fear. Most conservatives I know devote a wild amount of thought to murdering bad guys. Driving around with an AR is so much different than carrying in the car for defense. It's a horrible choice to thwart a car jacking. They are dreaming of a fight and a reason to use it. It's a grotesque hobby really.

I used to have reoccurring dreams about thwarting a home invasion and contemplating pulling the trigger for a decade or more later. The whole thing is sad and fucked.

[TexasEd 8266]

21 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

He does not own his possessions. He is his possessions. If he were to do something other than plow all his income into widgets bought on payments, he would lose caste. His peers would know he had secretly chopped off his own dick.

If his neighborhood truly is bad, at least he didn't make himself a burglary target by filling the house with extra firearms.

This.

I made an observation when I was still in elementary school that people in the poorer areas of town (Where my grandma lived) had nicer cars than we did but they had run down houses they did not take care of.  Later I figured out that it had to do with picking up chicks and street cred.  This also translates into the car youtube while wearing Oakleys thing.

[Born to Run 6601]

He does not own his possessions. He is his possessions. If he were to do something other than plow all his income into widgets bought on payments, he would lose caste. His peers would know he had secretly chopped off his own dick.
If his neighborhood truly is bad, at least he didn't make himself a burglary target by filling the house with extra firearms.

I am seeing this like crazy in the Latino community. Used to be all my white subcontractors were gun nuts. Now nearly all my field guys are gun nuts. The dumber the more gun stickers. Semi literate painter dudes that got legal 10 years ago now have small ranches together and go hang like regular rednecks shooting shit, cranking tunes and drinking beer. Only difference from them and my East Texas brethren is they drink Special Models and Tequila instead of whisky and Miller's light.

It's a weird lifestyle and source of belonging.

They also all have Facebook profiles in their trucks with Oakley and wireless earbuds on.

[RDCanecutter 26893]

25 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

They also all have Facebook profiles in their trucks with Oakley and wireless earbuds on.

I feel like this is the soundtrack of what you are describing.

 

[Sawbonz 28223]

Mexican and Central American rednecks are often more redneck than regular rednecks

[atomheartbevo 90650]

When Ted Cruz says you're a terrorist....

 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19305]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

When Ted Cruz says you're a terrorist....

 

Ted must be feeling some heat to say that.

[Pato del Muerto 53508]

8 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Ted must be feeling some heat to say that.

He’s up in 2024, is that right?  I’m baffled as to his reasoning for saying this.  

[Born to Run 6601]

I feel like this is the soundtrack of what you are describing.
 

Es mi Vida guey.

[Born to Run 6601]

Mexican and Central American rednecks are often more redneck than regular rednecks

This is true, but a pack of American cheese singles can befuddle a Central American Redneck for days. Whereas the domestic redneck is inspired to cook tasty snacks without pausing to ask why the cheese is wrapped in plastic, then wrapped again, they just unwrap, and unwrap again and get to creating freedom cheese greatness.

[atomheartbevo 90650]

2 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Ted must be feeling some heat to say that.

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He’s up in 2024, is that right?  I’m baffled as to his reasoning for saying this.  

Toss in Karl Rove’s op-Ed.   Something is definitely up. Those two don’t all of the sudden have a change of heart and use the language they do, unless something else is going on.   

Shit, Ted calling them terrorists alone is going to cause MAGA to bail on him.  

Makes me wonder if they know a lot more about what the committee has than what’s been made public.  

[Chad Fuck 18135]

Toss in Karl Rove’s op-Ed.   Something is definitely up. Those two don’t all of the sudden have a change of heart and use the language they do, unless something else is going on.   
Shit, Ted calling them terrorists alone is going to cause MAGA to bail on him.  
Makes me wonder if they know a lot more about what the committee has than what’s been made public.  

Link to op Ed?

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

33 minutes ago, Chad Fuck said:

Link to op Ed?

See "Turd Blossom" thread

[Nice Guy Eddie 13732]

Plenty of trump supporters still don’t believe it was other trump supporters who attacked the Capitol. It’s left wing media and corrupt fbi/judges that are telling you that it’s trump people that did that. Connect the dots, man.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Nice Guy Eddie

[ALexusTexus7 114]

Just shows how fucked up some of our laws are.
 
Traffic narcotics? 25 years in federal prison with no parole.
Attempt to overthrow the US government by overrunning the capitol? Maximum six months and probably not even that. 

“attempt to overthrow the U.S. government”.


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[tx ind 7057]

Maybe Ted is gonna run for President again but go center lane?

Edited January 6, 2022 by tx ind
Fuck that douche

[Goofyboy 3434]

Maybe Ted is gonna run for President again but go center lane?

He’s going to run. He thinks it’s his “turn.”

[South Austin 53227]

Happy Insurrection Day!

[Gooby 642]

10 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He’s up in 2024, is that right?  I’m baffled as to his reasoning for saying this.  

I think the January 6 Commission has Ted in their sights as one of the 100 or so lawmakers that were in on the bullshit, and Ted's trying to deflect that.

[Gourmand 7778]

10 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He’s up in 2024, is that right?  I’m baffled as to his reasoning for saying this.  

Well someone's gotta call out those traitors and terrorists! If the 1/6 committee won't hurry up and hold Antifa accountable, it might as well be Rafael. 

[Huckleberry 34661]

Is Cruz's dream POTUS or SCOTUS? This definitely hurts any hopes of winning a presidential primary, so maybe he thinks it makes him more palatable for a SCOTUS nomination someday.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13732]

Cruz might be gambling that the info about Trump is going to bad and he wants to pick up the pieces.

Ted Cruz doesn't do anything that isn't in Ted Cruz's interest. 

It's amazing that we have a senator in Cruz that doesn't even attempt to help Texas. I'm not a John Cornyn fan but I do think he does what he believes is in the best interest for Texas. And Cruz's behavior only turns off a small percentage of voters compared to Cornyn. crazy.

 

[TwiceHorn 32079]

15 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

A cousin's boyfriend talked to me over the holidays at a family get together (which hasn't turned into a super spreader event yet) because I was in the Army back in the 90s, and he was wanting to talk guns, because he had a couple of AR-15s, and somehow this relates to me using an M-16A2 25 years ago.

I asked him why he had multiple AR-15s (and a couple of sidearms, a shotgun, a dedicated deer rifle), and his was response was that they didn't live in a good neighborhood and needed them for security.

We were in fucking Arkansas.  I told him that he has a few thousand dollars tied up in firearms, an expensive UTV (at least $10,000) and a $35,000 Dodge Challenger.  I told him he could sell those firearms, sell the UTV and Challenger (the Challenger was not even close to being paid off, and I don't think the UTV was either), move to a better area with some of the money.

It's fucking Arkansas, I'm sure ditching the fucking car and UTV payments alone would free up hundreds a month for a better apartment complex or even into a leased duplex or home (or hell a trailer), and even use some of the money to knock out a two-year degree at a community college or two-year college or whatever so he'd be making more money.

Apparently when I started telling him to sell stuff/stop buying shit with long-term payments and get into a better neighborhood, I began speaking a foreign language.

Where in AR is this?

I will say that, in most of AR, due to the proximity of woods and wilderness, hunting and shooting is a "way of life," along with fishing and other outdoor pursuits.  Historically, firearm ownership there is "legit," meaning for sporting purposes, and also legit in terms of firearm safety and teaching that.  But, to go along with that, you do have a fairly high percentage of people overspending on guns, and 4-wheelers and bass boats and such.

Also, for the most part, Arkansas towns and cities are pretty highly segregated in terms of haves and have-nots, if not race per se.  So it should be easy-ish to be in a decent part of town.

All of that may be changing for the worse, as decent people move away from the smaller towns and cities.  And with the Trump influence, of course.  

Oddly enough, I'm not sure drugs are any bigger problem in rural-ish AR than they have been for a long time.  Commercial-scale marijuana growing by not-nice people has been a thing for decades.

[JimmyJames 12271]

8 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Cruz might be gambling that the info about Trump is going to bad and he wants to pick up the pieces.

Ted Cruz doesn't do anything that isn't in Ted Cruz's interest.

 

This except I don’t think he’s much of a gambler. He must know something. Too much smoke coming out including Moscow Mitch’s recent comment that he was interested in what the committee is finding out.

[TwiceHorn 32079]

1 hour ago, ALexusTexus7 said:

“attempt to overthrow the U.S. government”.


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Ok, then, attempts to disrupt a sitting Congress with the goal of overturning the results of an election that there is no valid reason to question.

How bou da?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13732]

27 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

This except I don’t think he’s much of a gambler. He must know something. Too much smoke coming out including Moscow Mitch’s recent comment that he was interested in what the committee is finding out.

Good point. Except that I think too many Trump-election-loss denialists are too far down the rabbit hole to find their way out. Even if Trump came out and agreed that Biden won the election, most of the Trump supporters won't believe him. They will say Trump is only saying that for reason X. 

So Cruz and Mitch might be thinking that some really bad news is coming out against Trump but in truth, trumpers don't care.

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Good point. Except that I think too many Trump-election-loss denialists are too far down the rabbit hole to find their way out. Even if Trump came out and agreed that Biden won the election, most of the Trump supporters won't believe him. They will say Trump is only saying that for reason X. 

So Cruz and Mitch might be thinking that some really bad news is coming out against Trump but in truth, trumpers don't care.

The trumpers don’t care but even though they represent the clear majority of the Republican Party, that’s only two thirds of one third of the country, or about 22 percent. 
 

Cruz and Mitch are likely banking on the more moderate republicans, who may only vote that way because they own stock or capital and like their tax benefits,  and right leaning independents can be swayed. We shall see. 

[RDCanecutter 26893]

14 hours ago, Sawbonz said:

Mexican and Central American rednecks are often more redneck than regular rednecks

Chunti Chúntaros Chuntando el Chuntarismo en nombre de la Chuntifacción.

[DigglerontheHoof 21551]

6 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

The trumpers don’t care but even though they represent the clear majority of the Republican Party, that’s only two thirds of one third of the country, or about 22 percent. 
 

Cruz and Mitch are likely banking on the more moderate republicans, who may only vote that way because they own stock or capital and like their tax benefits,  and right leaning independents can be swayed. We shall see. 

How are those moderate candidates supposed to make it out of the whacko maga primaries?

[RDCanecutter 26893]

13 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

When Ted Cruz says you're a terrorist....

 

"...But..."

[TexasEd 8266]

13 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

When Ted Cruz says you're a terrorist....

 

He's talking about Antifa and the FBI Deep State that organized this.

[DigDug 1738]

All is quiet on insurrection day

and all the whites plan a new foray

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20924]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Plenty of trump supporters still don’t believe it was other trump supporters who attacked the Capitol. It’s left wing media and corrupt fbi/judges that are telling you that it’s trump people that did that. Connect the dots, man.

Yep. Watch the videos:
 

 

[Red Five 41739]

I had someone (Trump supporter) tell me after 1/6 that it was “Antifa trying to fight conservatives”. That was their description of what happened.

[RDCanecutter 26893]

4 minutes ago, Red Five said:

I had someone (Trump supporter) tell me after 1/6 that it was “Antifa trying to fight conservatives”. That was their description of what happened.

I heard it was States' Rights.

[High Plains Drifter 11190]

13 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

When Ted Cruz says you're a terrorist....

 

 

12 hours ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Ted must be feeling some heat to say that.

 

12 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

He’s up in 2024, is that right?  I’m baffled as to his reasoning for saying this.  

 

10 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Toss in Karl Rove’s op-Ed.   Something is definitely up. Those two don’t all of the sudden have a change of heart and use the language they do, unless something else is going on.   

Shit, Ted calling them terrorists alone is going to cause MAGA to bail on him.  

Makes me wonder if they know a lot more about what the committee has than what’s been made public.  

 

My totally uneducated, don't-know-shit guess is that these fucks are hedging against the fact that (they believe) DoTARdism will become toxic by the time the next presidential election comes along, and they are willing to take the heat now so that they can point back in a few years and say "see, I wasn't a magat".

 

[Aqua Buddha 14806]

16 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

A cousin's boyfriend talked to me over the holidays at a family get together (which hasn't turned into a super spreader event yet) because I was in the Army back in the 90s, and he was wanting to talk guns, because he had a couple of AR-15s, and somehow this relates to me using an M-16A2 25 years ago.

I asked him why he had multiple AR-15s (and a couple of sidearms, a shotgun, a dedicated deer rifle), and his was response was that they didn't live in a good neighborhood and needed them for security.

We were in fucking Arkansas.  I told him that he has a few thousand dollars tied up in firearms, an expensive UTV (at least $10,000) and a $35,000 Dodge Challenger.  I told him he could sell those firearms, sell the UTV and Challenger (the Challenger was not even close to being paid off, and I don't think the UTV was either), move to a better area with some of the money.

It's fucking Arkansas, I'm sure ditching the fucking car and UTV payments alone would free up hundreds a month for a better apartment complex or even into a leased duplex or home (or hell a trailer), and even use some of the money to knock out a two-year degree at a community college or two-year college or whatever so he'd be making more money.

Apparently when I started telling him to sell stuff/stop buying shit with long-term payments and get into a better neighborhood, I began speaking a foreign language.

I drove by a gun store in rural Missouri over Christmas that advertised financing.  It was then I learned that people had gun payments.

[Guest Lobo]

^^^ Well, I know I'm sure as shit interested in watching that repossession visit play out in real time.  

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Including the violence. The various recent polls (I'm aggregating the number) ran about 30 something percent of people that believed violent action was 'justified' with respect to the government.

 

That's not going to just disappear when there is the undercurrent of support for it. Lukewarm repudiation may be a sop to some, but it's a far cry from Cruz et al being expelled.

[RDCanecutter 26893]

5 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

I drove by a gun store in rural Missouri over Christmas that advertised financing.  It was then I learned that people had gun payments.

Which means a Gun Repo industry exists. How'd you like that job?

[DAMMIT-- The Lobo Swift He Is.]

Edited January 6, 2022 by RDCanecutter

[Nice Guy Eddie 13732]

SIAP - decent read on CNN about how Jan 6th changed the GOP in a PA county: https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/05/politics/jan-6-capitol-riot-lancaster-republicans/index.html

tldr: Trump and the 2020 election radicalized a seemingly normal GOP couple. And they're leading the charge to politically take over this rural county. And succeeding. They've either beaten some at the polls and/or their rise to power has convinced more moderate GOP leaders to stand down.

 

 

[Brisketexan 106901]

1 hour ago, JimmyJames said:

The trumpers don’t care but even though they represent the clear majority of the Republican Party, that’s only two thirds of one third of the country, or about 22 percent. 
 

Cruz and Mitch are likely banking on the more moderate republicans, who may only vote that way because they own stock or capital and like their tax benefits,  and right leaning independents can be swayed. We shall see. 

It doesn't matter, because math.  See below.

1 hour ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

How are those moderate candidates supposed to make it out of the whacko maga primaries?

They don't.  There is no victory within the GQP without securing the MAGA vote.  The MAGA vote completely dominates the party.  Without MAGAs, you win nothing.  So, you have to go MAGA to win a nomination to be first assistant county co-dog catcher, all the way up.

We've swallowed the poison.  Completely.  There is no point hoping "maybe the dose wasn't that big!"  It was.

[Irwin F Fletcher 3555]

Toss in Karl Rove’s op-Ed.   Something is definitely up. Those two don’t all of the sudden have a change of heart and use the language they do, unless something else is going on.   
Shit, Ted calling them terrorists alone is going to cause MAGA to bail on him.  
Makes me wonder if they know a lot more about what the committee has than what’s been made public.  

Fuck Ted Cruz. May he rot in hell for all eternity.

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It doesn't matter, because math.  See below.

They don't.  There is no victory within the GQP without securing the MAGA vote.  The MAGA vote completely dominates the party.  Without MAGAs, you win nothing.  So, you have to go MAGA to win a nomination to be first assistant county co-dog catcher, all the way up.

We've swallowed the poison.  Completely.  There is no point hoping "maybe the dose wasn't that big!"  It was.

Trump can’t win if he’s not eligible to run.  The fourteenth amendment bars him from holding elected office. If what I think comes out about what happened after the election that I believe will come out, then that is definitely in play. And the magats can stomp their feet and whine a lot and go directly to hell. 
 

And yes I believe guys like Hawley and Cruz are probably more dangerous than trump. But you don’t worry about the comet potentially heading towards the earth when a rattlesnake is directly in front of your face. 

[Brisketexan 106901]

3 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

And yes I believe guys like Hawley and Cruz are probably more dangerous than trump.

Yes, they're more dangerous....IF ELECTED.  So, they aren't as dangerous as Trump is, because neither of them is electable for national office.  They just don't have the "it' factor that Trump does.  There is no insane death cult of loyalty waiting to coalesce behind these guys -- they're too smart to be the lizard-brained huckster the MAGAts need to hear to rally around.

Trump is a unique figure, who came along at the worst possible time for us all.  But none of his aspiring heirs can rally the masses like he can.  So, that alone makes them much less dangerous.  Not benign, of course -- they are indeed dangerous.  Just not Trump-level dangerous.

Edited January 6, 2022 by Brisketexan

[Guest Lobo]

I'm starting to think that nothing, other than some civil fines for tax shit, will happen to Trump.  The age old gentlemen's agreement where you don't throw our guy in jail when he gets outta office and we won't do the same to your guy---even though both did plenty of shit in office to warrant prison.  

However, I think maybe the 14th amendment (Sec. 3) may be the final compromise.  Trump does no jail time, probably gets to save some people from jail along with accepting that fate.  The Republican Party can move on past him, while still keeping his newfound base in the fold.  No circus courtroom trial, just a vote in both chambers saying he aided and abetted this attempted insurrection and is therefore ineligible.  His minions in both houses can still make their impassioned speeches to curry favor with MAQA nation.  He gets to say he'll continue to fight this but as of now can't run, but he turns his efforts to his media company and raising money to "FIGHT THE FOURTEENTH!" legal fund and his new library.  He gets to still play kingmaker and grift off of that in 2024 (what a great setup that would be, 'for every dollar we raise for you, I get 35 cents').  This way he doesn't have to face the yuge prospect of losing a third consecutive popular vote, avoids jail, avoids probably his inner circle looking at jailtime, gets to probably still make as much money on the skim, and both parties can spin this as a net positive to their constituents.  

It's the cleanest rip of the band-aid for almost everyone.  Trump won't accept it now, but by the time all the NY suits are in, all the DC appeals are over, the 1/6 committee's findings are proven, cruz and mcconnell and the rest are fed up, when all that dust settles and the prospect of his children learning of his death from federal prison or bankruptcy court...and he realizes it can still save his ego and his name and continue to play the victim card (holy shit, he missed his calling as an telenovela actress), and keep some modicum of his "fortune."............he'll take the deal.