25th Amendment- 2nd Impeachment

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5164]

And Pelosi has now said to invoke the 25th amendment or the house would vote to impeach again.

[SydneyCarton 49325]

Looks like he’s gone back to being the gutless pussy he has always been...

[Satchel 6982]

I hope this kind of aggressive action is a harbinger of things to come. The credibility of the Biden administration depends on it.

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

speaking of gutless pussies

[lemonlime 5503]

They need to impeach him today.  No more giving the GOP time to make stories about how Antifa really did this, or what the fuck ever.  Make clear that every second trump controls the military and the nukes he is a threat to the republic. And get the vote done this afternoon.  Let the GOP senators who know how bad this is go on record that they support trump anyway, or force them to call for either trump's resignation or invocation of the 25th.  The GOP senators need be put on the spot.  This minute.

[Jiggy-Z 3506]

[Radical Larry 28814]

 
speaking of gutless pussies

Hey, Lindsey, go fuck yourself with a baseball bat wrapped in rusty barb wire.

[Hmbre97 6337]

He should be impeached just based on the phone call that got leaked with the GA sec of state. Who knew he'd top that just a couple days later.

[Dr. Teeth 5868]

Waiting for the Republicans to do the right thing will be the downfall of Democrats and probably America.

[Neonmoon 38130]

 

 

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34079]

 

[lemonlime 5503]

When do Ossoff and Warnock get sworn in?  McConnell will still (I think) be majority leader until Jan. 20, but you'd possibly be forcing Pence to vote on impeachment, and maybe get some of the GOP senators or Pence to fucking do something about the 25th other than cowardly, anonymous leaks that it's "being considered."

[Paul Wesley 3313]

8 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

He should be impeached just based on the phone call that got leaked with the GA sec of state. Who knew he'd top that just a couple days later.

This times a billion.  

Why on earth would we go after some vague notion of being "unfit" when there is overwhelming concrete evidence (an hour-long phone call) of him committing FELONY ELECTION FRAUD in seeking to overturn the results of a democratic election?  

I mean, this isn't just "improper"... like, say, sharing polling data and coordinating your campaign with a hostile government.  This is actually a felony per US laws.

 

[CooterBrown 18272]

He should be impeached just based on the phone call that got leaked with the GA sec of state. Who knew he'd top that just a couple days later.

Just think of all the shit they were able to keep secret.

[Player 4605]

So who is currently drafting the articles of impeachment? I thought I saw something from one of the squad (Omar perhaps) last night, indicating that they could be introduced as early as today. 

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21 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

 

speaking of gutless pussies

The man has the backbone of a jellyfish.

[Sawbonz 28081]

5 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

When do Ossoff and Warnock get sworn in?  McConnell will still (I think) be majority leader until Jan. 20, but you'd possibly be forcing Pence to vote on impeachment, and maybe get some of the GOP senators or Pence to fucking do something about the 25th other than cowardly, anonymous leaks that it's "being considered."

I don’t think pence would ever vote on impeachment you need 2/3 votes to convict. VP is only ever a tiebreaker 

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16 minutes ago, Hmbre97 said:

He should be impeached just based on the phone call that got leaked with the GA sec of state. Who knew he'd top that just a couple days later.

That should be saved for state and federal criminal charges. Even if he wrangles a self-pardon, he has to answer to state charges. No man is above the law.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

5 minutes ago, Player said:

So who is currently drafting the articles of impeachment? I thought I saw something from one of the squad (Omar perhaps) last night, indicating that they could be introduced as early as today. 

 

[Neonmoon 38130]

House house the votes to impeach. Senate needs to find 16 republican senators willing to convict (2/3 needed. 50 dems + 16 republican)

Right?

[NAVY 6910]

Can't be fooled by this morning's late-to-the-game "agreement" about a peaceful transition. Trump is still very dangerous. He has 13 days to hatch more plots against the constitution and he's surrounded himself with sycophants. The 25th or rapid impeachment/removal will be painful and dangerous (and maybe bloody) but we've seen over and over what he's capable of. Best hope is going on the offensive before he can reorganize. 

[The Dog 44771]

Interesting article on the 25th Amendment: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-07/does-the-25th-amendment-apply-to-trump-quite-possibly

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The 25th Amendment is clear about the process. It is less clear about the legal standard. What does it mean to say that a president “is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office”? Is Trump unable to do that?

The short answer is that horrific and even impeachable acts do not necessarily justify removal under the 25th Amendment, whose focus is on physical or mental disability. For any president, including Trump, the question is one of fact: Could the vice president and the cabinet reasonably find that the president is so seriously impaired  that he can no longer perform his constitutional role?

 

[hobbes2702 13351]

When will the vote on impeachment happen?

[texhorn 356]

So who is currently drafting the articles of impeachment? I thought I saw something from one of the squad (Omar perhaps) last night, indicating that they could be introduced as early as today. 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

33 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

 

Hey, Lindsey, go fuck yourself with a baseball bat wrapped in rusty barb wire.

 

I think Lindsey calls the first part "Tuesday."  The second part, wellll  . . . . 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Can we find 16 Republican yes votes in this group? 

 

Barrasso, John (R-WY)Wyoming 

Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)Tennessee

Blunt, Roy (R-MO)Missouri

Boozman, John (R-AR)Arkansas

Braun, Mike (R-IN)Indiana

Burr, Richard (R-NC)North Carolina

Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)West Virginia

Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)Louisiana

Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)Maine

Cornyn, John (R-TX)Texas

Cotton, Tom (R-AR)Arkansas

Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)North Dakota

Crapo, Mike (R-ID)Idaho

Cruz, Ted (R-TX)Texas

Daines, Steve (R-MT)Montana

Ernst, Joni (R-IA)Iowa

Fischer, Deb (R-NE)Nebraska

Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)South Carolina

Grassley, Chuck (R-IA)Iowa

Hagerty, Bill (R-TN)Tennessee

Hawley, Josh (R-MO)Missouri

Hoeven, John (R-ND)North Dakota

Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)Mississippi

Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)Oklahoma

Johnson, Ron (R-WI)Wisconsin

Kennedy, John (R-LA)Louisiana

Lankford, James (R-OK)Oklahoma

Lee, Mike (R-UT)Utah

Loeffler, Kelly (R-GA)Georgia

Lummis, Cynthia M. (R-WY)Wyoming

Marshall, Roger, M.D. (R-KS)Kansas

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)Kentucky

Moran, Jerry (R-KS)Kansas

Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK)Alaska

Paul, Rand (R-KY)Kentucky

Portman, Rob (R-OH)Ohio

Risch, James E. (R-ID)Idaho

Romney, Mitt (R-UT)Utah

Rounds, Mike (R-SD)South Dakota

Rubio, Marco (R-FL)Florida

Sasse, Ben (R-NE)Nebraska

Scott, Rick (R-FL)Florida

Scott, Tim (R-SC)South Carolina

Shelby, Richard C. (R-AL)Alabama

Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)Alaska

Thune, John (R-SD)South Dakota

Tillis, Thom (R-NC)North Carolina

Toomey, Patrick J. (R-PA)Pennsylvania

Tuberville, Tommy (R-AL)Alabama

Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)Mississippi

Young, Todd (R-IN)Indiana

[texhorn 356]

House house the votes to impeach. Senate needs to find 16 republican senators willing to convict (2/3 needed. 50 dems + 16 republican)
Right?

Currently only 48 in the dem caucus.

[Js1 86938]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Can we find 16 Republican yes votes in this group? 

 

Barrasso, John (R-WY)Wyoming 

Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)Tennessee

Blunt, Roy (R-MO)Missouri

Boozman, John (R-AR)Arkansas

Braun, Mike (R-IN)Indiana

Burr, Richard (R-NC)North Carolina - retiring, so maybe

Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)West Virginia

Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)Louisiana

Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)Maine

Cornyn, John (R-TX)Texas

Cotton, Tom (R-AR)Arkansas

Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)North Dakota

Crapo, Mike (R-ID)Idaho

Cruz, Ted (R-TX)Texas

Daines, Steve (R-MT)Montana

Ernst, Joni (R-IA)Iowa

Fischer, Deb (R-NE)Nebraska

Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)South Carolina

Grassley, Chuck (R-IA)Iowa

Hagerty, Bill (R-TN)Tennessee

Hawley, Josh (R-MO)Missouri

Hoeven, John (R-ND)North Dakota

Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)Mississippi

Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)Oklahoma

Johnson, Ron (R-WI)Wisconsin

Kennedy, John (R-LA)Louisiana

Lankford, James (R-OK)Oklahoma

Lee, Mike (R-UT)Utah

Loeffler, Kelly (R-GA)Georgia

Lummis, Cynthia M. (R-WY)Wyoming

Marshall, Roger, M.D. (R-KS)Kansas

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)Kentucky

Moran, Jerry (R-KS)Kansas

Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK)Alaska - hates Trump

Paul, Rand (R-KY)Kentucky

Portman, Rob (R-OH)Ohio

Risch, James E. (R-ID)Idaho

Romney, Mitt (R-UT)Utah - hates Trump

Rounds, Mike (R-SD)South Dakota

Rubio, Marco (R-FL)Florida

Sasse, Ben (R-NE)Nebraska

Scott, Rick (R-FL)Florida

Scott, Tim (R-SC)South Carolina

Shelby, Richard C. (R-AL)Alabama

Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)Alaska

Thune, John (R-SD)South Dakota

Tillis, Thom (R-NC)North Carolina

Toomey, Patrick J. (R-PA)Pennsylvania - retiring, so maybe

Tuberville, Tommy (R-AL)Alabama

Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)Mississippi

Young, Todd (R-IN)Indiana

I found 4. 

[tantric superman 4668]

25th seems like a silly approach.

Impeach.  Make it easy.  25th is too goddamn psychological and shit.

[TXSG8R 3362]

John Bolton of all people just raised a point I havent heard until now.  The 25th will not be effective because the second Trump gets wind of it he can fire the cabinet members and nullify their signatures on the letter.  Its entirely built to be able to transition power away from an incapacitated president (coma, ICU, etc) to the VP.  Impeachment is the only viable path to get rid of Trump.  

[Neonmoon 38130]

cross her off

 

 

[TwiceHorn 31987]

1 minute ago, tantric superman said:

25th seems like a silly approach.

Impeach.  Make it easy.  25th is too goddamn psychological and shit.

Yeah, the 25th really isn't designed as a "removal" provision, it's more of a guardianship.

[Js1 86938]

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

John Bolton of all people just raised a point I havent heard until now.  The 25th will not be effective because the second Trump gets wind of it he can fire the cabinet members and nullify their signatures on the letter.  Its entirely built to be able to transition power away from an incapacitated president (coma, ICU, etc) to the VP.  Impeachment is the only viable path to get rid of Trump.  

So who can infiltrate the DC area McDonalds and do the job? 

KIDDING, FBI.  KIDDING. 

[Neonmoon 38130]

4 minutes ago, texhorn said:

Currently only 48 in the dem caucus.

So they need 18 votes. 

Of course that corrupt fucking party won't do shit 

[gmr548 16681]

The man has the backbone of a jellyfish.

The fuck man? Why would you say something like that? That’s really over the line. Jellyfish do not deserve to be compared to Lindsey Graham.

[Chad Fuck 18089]

7 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

25th seems like a silly approach.

Impeach.  Make it easy.  25th is too goddamn psychological and shit.

Agreed.  25th is poorly written and really needs a do-over.  If ever there was a reason for it, Trump was it and it failed.

But regardless of the outcome, the Congress must attempt impeachment.  Practically, because Trump.  God knows what he can do within the next 13 days, but even if he's rendered impotent because no one will listen to him - then that's a massive reason as well.  More importantly, Congress simply cannot abide that a President gather up a group of seditionists, rile them up and send them to the Hill to interrupt the Congress in the midst of carrying out its' Constitutionally mandated duties.  It's simply unconscionable.  Which is to say, there MUST be at least an attempt at accountability by Congress.

 

Edited January 7, 2021 by Chad Fuck

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

6 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Can we find 16 Republican yes votes in this group? 

 

Barrasso, John (R-WY)Wyoming 

Blackburn, Marsha (R-TN)Tennessee

Blunt, Roy (R-MO)Missouri

Boozman, John (R-AR)Arkansas

Braun, Mike (R-IN)Indiana

Burr, Richard (R-NC)North Carolina

Capito, Shelley Moore (R-WV)West Virginia

Cassidy, Bill (R-LA)Louisiana

Collins, Susan M. (R-ME)Maine

Cornyn, John (R-TX)Texas

Cotton, Tom (R-AR)Arkansas

Cramer, Kevin (R-ND)North Dakota

Crapo, Mike (R-ID)Idaho

Cruz, Ted (R-TX)Texas

Daines, Steve (R-MT)Montana

Ernst, Joni (R-IA)Iowa

Fischer, Deb (R-NE)Nebraska

Graham, Lindsey (R-SC)South Carolina

Grassley, Chuck (R-IA)Iowa

Hagerty, Bill (R-TN)Tennessee

Hawley, Josh (R-MO)Missouri

Hoeven, John (R-ND)North Dakota

Hyde-Smith, Cindy (R-MS)Mississippi

Inhofe, James M. (R-OK)Oklahoma

Johnson, Ron (R-WI)Wisconsin

Kennedy, John (R-LA)Louisiana

Lankford, James (R-OK)Oklahoma

Lee, Mike (R-UT)Utah

Loeffler, Kelly (R-GA)Georgia

Lummis, Cynthia M. (R-WY)Wyoming

Marshall, Roger, M.D. (R-KS)Kansas

McConnell, Mitch (R-KY)Kentucky

Moran, Jerry (R-KS)Kansas

Murkowski, Lisa (R-AK)Alaska

Paul, Rand (R-KY)Kentucky

Portman, Rob (R-OH)Ohio

Risch, James E. (R-ID)Idaho

Romney, Mitt (R-UT)Utah

Rounds, Mike (R-SD)South Dakota

Rubio, Marco (R-FL)Florida

Sasse, Ben (R-NE)Nebraska

Scott, Rick (R-FL)Florida

Scott, Tim (R-SC)South Carolina

Shelby, Richard C. (R-AL)Alabama

Sullivan, Dan (R-AK)Alaska

Thune, John (R-SD)South Dakota

Tillis, Thom (R-NC)North Carolina

Toomey, Patrick J. (R-PA)Pennsylvania

Tuberville, Tommy (R-AL)Alabama

Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)Mississippi

Young, Todd (R-IN)Indiana

The goal here is not to get the GOP Senators to vote to remove but to get them to compel Trump to resign with the credible threat of a successful vote to remove.  Theoretically, the Senate should never vote to convict a President because resignation is always the better exit ramp. 

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Just now, gmr548 said:

The fuck man? Why would you say something like that? That’s really over the line. Jellyfish do not deserve to be compared to Lindsey Graham.

Truf. I regret comparing spineless sea creatures to a United States Senator. It was not a fair comparison.

[gmr548 16681]

Agreed.  25th is poorly written and really needs a do-over.  If ever there was a reason for it, Trump was it and it failed.
But regardless of the outcome, the Congress must attempt impeachment.  Practically, because Trump.  God knows what he can do within the next 13 days, but even if he's rendered impotent because no one will listen to him - then that's a massive reason as well.  More importantly, Congress simply cannot abide that a President gather up a group of seditionists, rile them up and send them to the Hill to interrupt the Congress in the midst of carrying out its' Constitutionally mandated duties.  It's simply unconscionable.  
 

This. It get voted down, just like the first time, because Republicans are still gutless traitors, but you make them answer for it.

[lemonlime 5503]

21 minutes ago, Sawbonz said:

I don’t think pence would ever vote on impeachment you need 2/3 votes to convict. VP is only ever a tiebreaker 

Yeah.  You're right. Although he'd have to preside over the hearing in the Senate.

[USMCHorn 1369]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

So they need 18 votes. 

Of course that corrupt fucking party won't do shit 

That's ok. Impeachment gets them all on the record and makes their lives difficult come campaign season.

[Guest Lobo]

Gee, I can't believe Trump would incite such acts of sedition forcing Pence to take over either under impeachment or the 25th amendment.  

So wait, under one of those two scenarios caused by Trump's behavior, Pence becomes President for two weeks and can fully pardon Trump? 

But wait you say...Trump wouldn't have wanted that...would make him look weak.

But what if the reason Trump was removed from office was simply because he was trying to keep his base stoking the flames of liberty by protesting against an unjust election and a fraudulent count in Congress?  Why wouldn't that put Trump in the best possible decision?  Doesn't admit he lost, rallies his base in his honor to continue to protest this stolen election?  And gets to have the appearance of that same deep-state/swamp conspiracy removing him from office and at least installing his loyal pal...Mike Pence who pardons him from all wrong-doing?  

Seriously, the nation didn't see this coming?  We always knew he needed a pardon but how would he leave office and save face?  Simple, be seen going out with the very people he incited.  He looks passionate and still head of MAGA, just a true leader willing to go out with the troops.  He plays the "They took me outta office before the end of my term....avenge me!!!"  He gets the pardon, gets to stay the leader of the cause, doesn't lose face, looks like a general who went out fighting with his troops, etc.  It's sad the GOP leadership didn't see this coming.  He's been telegraphing it for months. 

[Chad Fuck 18089]

2 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The goal here is not to get the GOP Senators to vote to remove but to get them to compel Trump to resign with the credible threat of a successful vote to remove.  Theoretically, the Senate should never vote to convict a President because resignation is always the better exit ramp. 

Absolutely this.

[TXSG8R 3362]

1 minute ago, Chad Fuck said:

Agreed.  25th is poorly written and really needs a do-over.  If ever there was a reason for it, Trump was it and it failed.

But regardless of the outcome, the Congress must attempt impeachment.  Practically, because Trump.  God knows what he can do within the next 13 days, but even if he's rendered impotent because no one will listen to him - then that's a massive reason as well.  More importantly, Congress simply cannot abide that a President gather up a group of seditionists, rile them up and send them to the Hill to interrupt the Congress in the midst of carrying out its' Constitutionally mandated duties.  It's simply unconscionable.  

 

The 25th does what it was written for, medical incapacity.  Up until now, the idea of having to have an alternative to impeachment was pretty sketchy.  It still is honestly, congress is supposed to be the check on executive overreach and abuse.  We need better mechanisms in place to force congress to do its job.  At a minimum, maybe give the legislative branch a similar option, or include them in the impeachment process somehow as a foil to partisan fuckery.  Id trust a partisan judge over someone like Ted fucking Cruz any day of the week.    

[Chad Fuck 18089]

2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Gee, I can't believe Trump would incite such acts of sedition forcing Pence to take over either under impeachment or the 25th amendment.  

So wait, under one of those two scenarios caused by Trump's behavior, Pence becomes President for two weeks and can fully pardon Trump? 

But wait you say...Trump wouldn't have wanted that...would make him look weak.

But what if the reason Trump was removed from office was simply because he was trying to keep his base stoking the flames of liberty by protesting against an unjust election and a fraudulent count in Congress?  Why wouldn't that put Trump in the best possible decision?  Doesn't admit he lost, rallies his base in his honor to continue to protest this stolen election?  And gets to have the appearance of that same deep-state/swamp conspiracy removing him from office and at least installing his loyal pal...Mike Pence who pardons him from all wrong-doing?  

Seriously, the nation didn't see this coming?  We always knew he needed a pardon but how would he leave office and save face?  Simple, be seen going out with the very people he incited.  He looks passionate and still head of MAGA, just a true leader willing to go out with the troops.  He plays the "They took me outta office before the end of my term....avenge me!!!"  He gets the pardon, gets to stay the leader of the cause, doesn't lose face, looks like a general who went out fighting with his troops, etc.  It's sad the GOP leadership didn't see this coming.  He's been telegraphing it for months. 

You're right, but what alternative is there now?  Do nothing?  

Maybe you leverage Pence not to give the pardon somehow.  Maybe you say, Biden will give you a pardon, here it is, if you don't give Trump one.

 

[Js1 86938]

3 minutes ago, USMCHorn said:

That's ok. Impeachment gets them all on the record and makes their lives difficult come campaign season.

Anything that puts Marco Rubio, Chuck Grassley, Rob Portman and Ron Johnson is jeopardy in 2022 would make so happy.

No Trump on the ballot + this albatross would be like striking gold for the Democrats. Not to mention, there's quite a few (though not a lot) of GOP representatives who won in Biden districts that were lucky this year, but won't be in 2022 without Trump. 

[Chad Fuck 18089]

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

The 25th does what it was written for, medical incapacity.  Up until now, the idea of having to have an alternative to impeachment was pretty sketchy.  It still is honestly, congress is supposed to be the check on executive overreach and abuse.  We need better mechanisms in place to force congress to do its job.  At a minimum, maybe give the legislative branch a similar option, or include them in the impeachment process somehow as a foil to partisan fuckery.  Id trust a partisan judge over someone like Ted fucking Cruz any day of the week.    

Of course, this is true.  It was basically "What if there's another JFK or Wilson and our President is rendered a vegetable."  

Impeachment doesn't work in the face of bald authoritarianism.  

There has to be a mechanism to prevent an organized crime syndicate from taking over the country again.  The citizenry can't be expected to do it (sarcasm).

[Hawndoh 2409]

Trump resigning is a pipe dream. That would be Trump admitting defeat, which he is fundamentally incapable of doing.

There is no reality in which Trump resigns.