2021 NFL DRAFT

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8 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Maybe just type out what you're seeing and you can save us from having to get out a microscope in the hopes of reading whatever the fuck is in that postage stamp.

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... if you don't have surgical loupes handy

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8 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

i'm not saying Kyle Pitts is going to be a bust, but i just can't buy that he's going to reinvent the game.  the hype just seems out of control.

and unfortunately, i think Jerrah is buying into it and will trade up to get him.  FML

With all the hype they're giving him it's almost certain he will never live up to it and be a bust.

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Luke Easterling of Draft Wire released his top 300 prospects in this year’s draft class on Wednesday. Although eight players will represent the Longhorns in the 2021 NFL draft, only four made the list.

• No. 31: Joseph Ossai, EDGE (second-round grade)
• No. 42: Samuel Cosmi, OT (second-round grade)
• No. 146: Caden Sterns, S (fourth-round grade)
• No. 241: Sam Ehlinger, QB (sixth-round grade)

 

https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/04/21/nfl-draft-texas-longhorns-2021-prospects-top-300-big-board-joseph-ossai-samuel-cosmi-caden-sterns/  

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Is all the Fields criticism (compared to other QBs entering the draft) due to his having epilepsy? 

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Is all the Fields criticism (compared to other QBs entering the draft) due to his having epilepsy? 

Bad games vs Northwestern and Indiana... also not always accurate

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At least Cosmi and Ossai will be representing us virtually in the draft as participants. 
 

List of people showing up in person/virtual:

https://www.nfl.com/news/led-by-58-prospects-2021-nfl-draft-to-celebrate-past-present-and-future-players

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6 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

At least Cosmi and Ossai will be representing us virtually in the draft as participants. 
 

List of people showing up in person/virtual:

https://www.nfl.com/news/led-by-58-prospects-2021-nfl-draft-to-celebrate-past-present-and-future-players

Michael Griffin representing for the titans too

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9 hours ago, Nicole44 said:

Is all the Fields criticism (compared to other QBs entering the draft) due to his having epilepsy? 

It is now, but it wasn't last week.

The Indiana & Northwestern games gave teams reason to doubt. And then there is the whole... um... well... "traditional" way of looking at things that teams frequently employ when looking at QBs.

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From Dane Brugler's top 300: https://theathletic.com/2530672/2021/04/21/2021-nfl-draft-top-300-big-board-trevor-lawrence-patrick-surtain-ii-trey-lance-the-talent-runs-deep/

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38. Samuel Cosmi, OT, Texas (6-foot-6, 314 pounds)
Cosmi blocks with quickness and urgency in pass protection, usually marrying his eyes with his hands and base to stay square. He will give ground vs. power but uses sink-and-settle to recover and relies on his posture to create leverage. Overall, Cosmi lacks overwhelming size/power traits, but he wins with lateral positioning and strong hands to cover up edge speed and execute in the run game. He projects as a solid NFL starter.

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47. Joseph Ossai, edge, Texas (6-foot-4, 256 pounds)
An impressive pursuit player, Ossai is consistently around the football and makes plays that he has no business making due to his play speed and hustle. While he plays quick, he wins more with effort and his body stiffness hinders his ability to win at the top of his rush. Overall, Ossai is a linear athlete who lacks fluidity in his rush or redirect, but his foot is always on the gas with the compete skills and locked-in effort that helps mask some of his issues. He projects as a physical 3-4 edge defender.

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180. Caden Sterns, DS, Texas (6-foot-0, 202 pounds)
Sterns is a clean mover in the deep half with the feet and athleticism to collect himself and stay in position. However, he is more of a “see it” than “sense it” player and appears more focused on not making a misstep rather than jumping routes. Overall, Sterns has functional range with efficient footwork to gather and go, but he struggles to anticipate, lacks grit and doesn’t have the tape of a playmaker. He projects as an overly conservative deep safety with durability concerns.

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240. Sam Ehlinger, QB, Texas (6-foot-1, 220 pounds)
The term “gamer” tends to be overused for tough-yet-flawed quarterbacks, but it sums up Ehlinger perfectly – it felt like the Longhorns always had a shot in close games because of his gutsy, resilient spirit and versatile skill set. As a passer, he has an adequate arm, but is often tardy with his decisions and needs to see things quicker if he is going to make plays through the air in the NFL. Overall, Ehlinger is not an anticipation thrower and his pocket presence leaves a lot to be desired, but his competitive toughness and dual-threat ability give him a chance to be a backup in the right situation, similar in ways to Jalen Hurts’ evaluation in the 2020 draft.

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244. Ta’Quon Graham, DT, Texas (6-foot-3, 292 pounds)
Graham has a projectable frame with long arms and massive hands to get underneath blockers’ pads, control the point and shuck his man. Despite his college backfield production, his current third-down value is questionable due to limited reaction quickness and lack of a pass rush plan. Overall, Graham flashes some twitch and power to stack and separate, but his impact is sporadic and non-threatening to offenses. He projects as a subpackage lineman who has development potential.

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296. Brennan Eagles, WR, Texas (6-foot-4, 225 pounds)
Eagles has the natural size and tracking skills to post up defenders downfield. However, he lacks the short-area quickness and route-running prowess to instinctively leverage defenders and uncover. Overall, Eagles is an intriguing height/weight/speed talent, but he needs to mature on and off the field to warrant a roster spot in the NFL. He projects as a practice squad candidate.

 

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Peter King's full 2021 NFL Mock Draft | Peter King Podcast | NBC Sports

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On 4/22/2021 at 11:31 AM, TonyTexas said:

Joe Namath and the Snake are the only ones 

Namath wasn't that good in the NFL.  And that is comparing his numbers to his contemporaries, not against modern QBs.

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If the 49ers take Mac Jones at #3, their franchise is in worse shape than imaginable. Jones had Waddle, Smith, and Harris, plus a great o-line. Dude will be a bust. Bank on it. I hope for their sake they come to the realization that this would be a fucking dumbass take. But GM's gonna GM

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28 minutes ago, Spider2YBanana said:

If the 49ers take Mac Jones at #3, their franchise is in worse shape than imaginable. Jones had Waddle, Smith, and Harris, plus a great o-line. Dude will be a bust. Bank on it. I hope for their sake they come to the realization that this would be a fucking dumbass take. But GM's gonna GM

Word is Shanahan wants Mac not the GM.  I wouldn’t say he will or won’t be a bust but I will say that if you look at the QBs taken over the last decade and read about them before they were taken it really shows that nobody knows which of them will be good or suck.  Many 1st round QB’s end up terrible and other QB’s taken after the first round are now the stars of today.  You should check out the pre draft scouting reports on Mahomes.  Many teams felt he was a 3rd rounder or worse.  The other thing to look at is the organization the QB gets drafted by and the offense he is put in.  I think Mac could do well on the 49ers with their offensive weapons and Shanahan calling the plays where if he was drafted by say the Lions he would probably suck and be out of the league in a few years.  

[LTtxfan 49238]

Simm's prediction of how teams will actually draft on Thursday

Chris Simms’ 2021 NFL mock draft

By NBC Sports Staff.          Apr 26, 2021

1. Jacksonville Jaguars – Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
2. New York Jets – Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
3. San Francisco 49ers – Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
4. Atlanta Falcons – Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
5. Cincinnati Bengals – Ja’Marr Chase, WR, LSU
6. Miami Dolphins – DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama
7. Detroit Lions – Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon
8. Washington Football Team (Proposed trade with Carolina) – Trey Lance, QB, NDSU
9. Denver Broncos – Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State
10. Dallas Cowboys – Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama
11. New England Patriots (Proposed trade with New York) – Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama
12. Philadelphia Eagles – Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina
13. Los Angeles Chargers – Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
14. Minnesota Vikings – Alijah Vera-Tucker, OT, USC
15. New York Giants (Proposed trade with New England) – Jayson Oweh, EDGE, Penn State
16. Arizona Cardinals – Christian Barmore, DT, Alabama
17. Las Vegas Raiders – Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame
18. Miami Dolphins – Kwity Paye, EDGE, Michigan
19. Carolina Panthers (Proposed trade with Washington) – Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech
20. Chicago Bears – Rashawn Slater, T, Northwestern
21. Indianapolis Colts – Jaelan Phillips, EDGE, Miami
22. Tennessee Titans – Teven Jenkins, T, Oklahoma State
23. New York Jets – Joe Tryon, EDGE, Washington
24. Pittsburgh Steelers – Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama
25. Jacksonville Jaguars – Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington
26. Cleveland Browns – Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa
27. Baltimore Ravens – Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia
28. New Orleans Saints – Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia
29. Green Bay Packers – Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida
30. Buffalo Bills – Gregory Rousseau, EDGE, Miami
31. Baltimore Ravens – Alex Leatherwood, T, Alabama
32. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State

 

Videos discussing these predictions in link below

https://sports.nbcsports.com/2021/04/26/chris-simms-2021-nfl-mock-draft/

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14 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

Namath wasn't that good in the NFL.  And that is comparing his numbers to his contemporaries, not against modern QBs.

Namath was the generation before's Eli. Pretty darn good, not elite but wove his way so that you can't tell the story of football without him. The whole dynamics of superbowl 3 is kinda crazy. That Colts team is probably considered to be among the 4-5 best of all time if they just won that game. They were just clobbering people all season. Namath came in and guaranteed a victory, in a time where the AFL was seen as a joke. I don't think the impact of that game alone can be underscored. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Cardinal12
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3 minutes ago, Cardinal12 said:

Namath was the generation before's Eli. Pretty darn good, not elite but wove his way so that you can't tell the story of football without him. The whole dynamics of superbowl 3 is kinda crazy. That Colts team is probably considered to be among the 4-5 best of all time if they just won that game. They were just clobbering people all season. Namath came in and guaranteed a victory, in a time where the AFL was seen as a joke. I don't think the impact of that game alone can be underscored. 

Sure, but even in that game Namath did not do much.  NY's defense and running game won the game.

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3 minutes ago, Cardinal12 said:

Namath was the generation before's Eli. Pretty darn good, not elite but wove his way so that you can't tell the story of football without him. The whole dynamics of superbowl 3 is kinda crazy. That Colts team is probably considered to be among the 4-5 best of all time if they just won that game. They were just clobbering people all season. Namath came in and guaranteed a victory, in a time where the AFL was seen as a joke. I don't think the impact of that game alone can be underscored. 

Namath was dog shit, and if it wasn't for his guarantee then he wouldn't even be considered above average, let alone hall of fame.

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by BurntOrange&White

[LTtxfan 49238]

4 minutes ago, Cardinal12 said:

Namath was the generation before's Eli. Pretty darn good, not elite but wove his way so that you can't tell the story of football without him. The whole dynamics of superbowl 3 is kinda crazy. That Colts team is probably considered to be among the 4-5 best of all time if they just won that game. Namath came in a guaranteed a victory, in a time where the AFL was seen as a joke. I don't think the impact of that game alone can be underscored. 

That Namath/Jets victory over the Colts is still considered the biggest upset in Superbowl history...

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As a Niners fan, the thought of surrendering two extra firsts and a 3rd rounder for Mac Jones is absolutely disgusting. He is not a clear upgrade over Garoppolo and his upside is Kirk Cousins. Just an indefensible move by Shanahan and Lynch.

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2 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Simm's prediction of how teams will actually draft on Thursday

Chris Simms’ 2021 NFL mock draft

By NBC Sports Staff.          Apr 26, 2021

1. Jacksonville Jaguars – Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
2. New York Jets – Zach Wilson, QB, BYU
3. San Francisco 49ers – Mac Jones, QB, Alabama
4. Atlanta Falcons – Kyle Pitts, TE, Florida
5. Cincinnati Bengals – Ja’Marr Chase, WR, LSU
6. Miami Dolphins – DeVonta Smith, WR, Alabama
7. Detroit Lions – Penei Sewell, OT, Oregon
8. Washington Football Team (Proposed trade with Carolina) – Trey Lance, QB, NDSU
9. Denver Broncos – Micah Parsons, LB, Penn State
10. Dallas Cowboys – Patrick Surtain II, CB, Alabama
11. New England Patriots (Proposed trade with New York) – Jaylen Waddle, WR, Alabama
12. Philadelphia Eagles – Jaycee Horn, CB, South Carolina
13. Los Angeles Chargers – Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
14. Minnesota Vikings – Alijah Vera-Tucker, OT, USC
15. New York Giants (Proposed trade with New England) – Jayson Oweh, EDGE, Penn State
16. Arizona Cardinals – Christian Barmore, DT, Alabama
17. Las Vegas Raiders – Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, LB, Notre Dame
18. Miami Dolphins – Kwity Paye, EDGE, Michigan
19. Carolina Panthers (Proposed trade with Washington) – Caleb Farley, CB, Virginia Tech
20. Chicago Bears – Rashawn Slater, T, Northwestern
21. Indianapolis Colts – Jaelan Phillips, EDGE, Miami
22. Tennessee Titans – Teven Jenkins, T, Oklahoma State
23. New York Jets – Joe Tryon, EDGE, Washington
24. Pittsburgh Steelers – Landon Dickerson, C, Alabama
25. Jacksonville Jaguars – Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington
26. Cleveland Browns – Zaven Collins, LB, Tulsa
27. Baltimore Ravens – Azeez Ojulari, EDGE, Georgia
28. New Orleans Saints – Tyson Campbell, CB, Georgia
29. Green Bay Packers – Kadarius Toney, WR, Florida
30. Buffalo Bills – Gregory Rousseau, EDGE, Miami
31. Baltimore Ravens – Alex Leatherwood, T, Alabama
32. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Justin Fields, QB, Ohio State

 

Videos discussing these predictions in link below

https://sports.nbcsports.com/2021/04/26/chris-simms-2021-nfl-mock-draft/

that's a joke, right?  Fields at pick 32?

if he's on the board at pick 10, somebody will try to trade with the Cowboys to move up to get him because he ain't getting past New England at pick 11.

i hate this clickbait kinda shit.  very Skip Bayless of Simms.  and i fell for it. shame on me.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Jive Turkey

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https://theathletic.com/2543626/2021/04/26/zach-wilson-mac-jones-justin-fields-why-talent-evaluators-see-this-nfl-draft-as-a-qb-crapshoot/

Zach Wilson? Mac Jones? Justin Fields? Why talent evaluators see this NFL Draft as a QB crapshoot

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Teams that select quarterbacks high in the NFL Draft always have to embrace risk the way rock climbers do.

This year, they are more like free soloists.

It appears to be a dangerous year to be playing the quarterback game in the draft because there is less agreement on the top prospects than usual. That has been the case from team to team, and that has been the case within many draft rooms, where, as one front-office person said, “We’re all over the board on these guys.” Said another after his team’s scouts met and watched tape of all the top quarterbacks, “Even in our own room, there are disagreements.”

Consensuses don’t necessarily mean everyone is right. But there is comfort in unity. There is uncertainty in disagreement.

Ten NFL evaluators shared their opinions about the quarterbacks with The Athletic. Their divergent evaluations can be explained, to a degree, by the impact COVID-19 had on the 2020 season, as the pandemic prevented scouts from getting much live exposure to players and the scouting combine was canceled. Maybe they didn’t develop the same kind of groupthink they often do because they weren’t together as much.

But there’s more to it.

Consider this:

• Alabama’s Mac Jones, North Dakota State’s Trey Lance and Stanford’s Davis Mills don’t have long playing histories. BYU’s Zach Wilson started 28 games, but his resume before 2020 probably would have made him a late-round pick. And during Wilson’s impressive 2020 season, BYU played a soft schedule that didn’t challenge Wilson anywhere near the way Jets opponents will challenge him, assuming he is taken with the No. 2 pick.

• Three of the top-five-rated quarterbacks — Jones, Lance and Wilson — were three-star recruits coming out of high school. Top-of-the-draft quarterbacks are usually five- or four-star recruits.

• Those who want to know what they are getting appear to have an option in Jones. Those who want to swing for a tape-measure home run and are not as concerned about downside can lean toward Lance or Ohio State’s Justin Fields.

• With the way the game has evolved, many coaches are less interested in immobile pocket passers like Jones and Florida’s Kyle Trask than they used to be. But others are mesmerized by their passing skills and ability to win games.

Evaluators are mostly in agreement about one quarterback: Clemson’s Trevor Lawrence, expected to be the No. 1 pick in the draft by the Jaguars. All of them would take him first overall, but they had differing viewpoints about his ceiling. A general manager has him rated No. 1 on his team’s board at any position, ahead of Florida tight end Kyle Pitts and LSU wide receiver Ja’Marr Chase, who are tied for second.

Two scouting directors consider Lawrence above or equal to Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck as prospects. “I can’t find a weakness,” one of them said. A third considers him considerably behind Luck and questions if he will be one of the premier quarterbacks in the NFL unless he is in an ideal situation. A quarterbacks coach also rates him behind Manning and Luck and said he is not an “elite passer.” The coach believes Lawrence, at 213 pounds, is too thin to stay healthy in the NFL with the way he depends on mobility.

The more notable disagreements begin with Wilson. The quarterbacks coach and one of the directors rate Wilson just a tad behind Lawrence. But a longtime, high-ranking evaluator said he doubts Wilson will be a very successful NFL quarterback. He pointed out that the quarterback’s size — Wilson is 6-foot-2, 214 pounds, his hands measure 9 4/8 inches and his arms measure 30 5/8 inches — is not ideal.

Those who have short memories will think better of Wilson than those who don’t. Wilson’s passer rating improved from 84.9 in 2019 to 138.2 in 2020.

Wilson’s best impression — his pro day — was his last. One personnel director said he is the most gifted thrower in the draft, which Wilson made a case for at his pro day. A scout said he had the quickest release of all the quarterbacks.

Two of the front-office people acknowledged questions about Wilson’s demeanor. He wasn’t one of eight Cougars whom teammates voted a captain, but that might have been because he was in a competition for the starting job before the season. “Borderline cocky,” a scout said. But the coach said his personality was a reason to like him. “It seems like he got his teammates going and showed leadership qualities during COVID,” he said.

Two of the evaluators rated Wilson as the third-best quarterback. Both had Fields ahead of him as the second-best quarterback.

Fields is polarizing as well. One high-ranking evaluator rates him as fourth-best in the class, and an offensive coach said he wouldn’t take him before the second round. But one of the scouts said he is the most talented quarterback in terms of arm and athleticism. He does have concerns about Fields’ accuracy and decision-making that give him pause, however.

The offensive coach said the best thing Fields does is throw downfield but said he wouldn’t be able to make a living doing that in the NFL. He said Fields needs to be used the right way, in an offense that features pocket movement and play action and highlights his athleticism. “You have to construct an offense around what he can do,” a scout said. “You can’t plug him into a standard offense.”

While Fields can move — he ran a 4.46 40-yard dash, and he rushed 218 times for 867 yards and 15 touchdowns over the last two seasons — evaluators expressed concern over his ability to avoid pressure. Fields was sacked 49 times in his college career.

His draft stock is complicated by the recent revelation that he has epilepsy.

“Boom or bust,” one of the scouting directors said of Fields.

Those who like Jones really like him. One scout called him the safest pick at the position. “Love him,” he said. Another called him the most intelligent and instinctive quarterback in the draft and said he was worthy of a top-10 selection.

Then there is the other faction. Jones is the fifth-ranked quarterback on one team’s board. A national scout, citing Jones’ lack of arm strength, mobility and athleticism, said it would be crazy to take him with the third overall pick. He believes Jones should be a late first-round pick or early second-round pick based on his talent. A director thinks even less of Jones, saying he will be a low-end starter who becomes an eventual backup.

There is reason to believe Jones can thrive in the right system with the right players around him because he already did so at Alabama. Those who judge Jones mostly on results and game tape think he is a poor man’s Tom Brady — he plays with a similar style. “He’s going to have to play like Tom plays, succeed like Tom does, using his mind and arm,” said one evaluator who has studied him.

But quarterbacks who are chosen high in the first round almost always are high-end talents. Jones is not. He benefited from being surrounded by multiple first-round picks at Alabama, and he started only 17 career games.

The evaluations on Lance ranged from the second-best quarterback in the class to the fifth-best and a second-round talent.

It’s difficult for some scouts to get too comfortable with Lance because his body of work is limited. He never was intercepted, but he threw just 319 passes in his college career and played only one game in the last 15 months. Furthermore, he faced lesser opponents than every other highly rated quarterback. “He’s inexperienced, and it shows,” one of the directors said. “He probably needs to sit and learn.”

Two of the front-office people said Lance is further behind where Jordan Love was a year ago. Love was taken 26th overall by the Packers.

Lance’s accuracy and throwing mechanics are concerns to some. “He has a lot of work to do as a passer,” an offensive coach said. “He misses easy throws. He might be the most gifted but the least ready to win.”

Lance won every one of his 17 college starts. “He has all the tools,” the national scout said. “He’s big, athletic and strong, and he has timing and touch. He’s a good kid besides.”

The order of the top five quarterbacks is debatable, but the players who belong there have not been debated. After the top five, opinions vary over who should be taken next among Mills, Trask and Texas A&M’s Kellen Mond.

Mills is a “natural quarterback” in the estimation of one scout. Three of the evaluators said they believe Mills has the potential to be an NFL starter, and one said he would take a chance on him as high as the second round, but that viewpoint is not universal. “I wish he made more plays and threw more guys open,” one of the directors said.

Mills was the No. 1-ranked quarterback in the country in high school, but he’s had four surgeries on his left knee. Some teams are likely to downgrade him as a result, according to one front-office person.

One of the evaluators said he would consider taking Trask as early as late in the first round. “I wouldn’t bet against him,” he said. Another longtime, high-ranking evaluator said he thinks Trask’s grade should be the same as Jones’ or higher.

Two others believe Trask will be no more than an NFL backup and think he should be a fourth-round selection. On one team’s board, Trask is ranked behind Texas’ Sam Ehlinger.

Buying into Trask means getting over his lack of pedigree. He was a high school backup who earned a spot on the Gators with an impressive recruiting camp performance. One coach said he’s “less athletic than Mac Jones,” and a scout said Trask is “stunningly slow.”

One evaluator sees Mond as a possible second-round pick with the potential to improve. The quarterbacks coach, meanwhile, considers him an inconsistent passer who won’t be an NFL starter.

The truth is nobody can be sure of what kind of NFL player Mond will be.

And the same can be said about every other quarterback in the draft, except Lawrence.

 

[Jive Turkey 12617]

thanks for posting that @Machinator.  Thursday night is gonna be a blast.  

[Murfdogg21 4413]

This is why patient or at least not desperate teams clean up in the draft. Wilson should be mid first, Fields probably late first based on superior talent/inferior competition, couple poor games, poor faring of recent OSU QBs. Lance maybe late first based on potential, Mac Jones as a second rounder maybe due to uber talented teammates (he has two first round WRs and a borderline first RB just in this draft!). All 5 of these guys could go in the top 12, with teams devastating their future draft capital in the process. 

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On 4/23/2021 at 3:11 PM, Jive Turkey said:

i'm not saying Kyle Pitts is going to be a bust, but i just can't buy that he's going to reinvent the game.  the hype just seems out of control.

and unfortunately, i think Jerrah is buying into it and will trade up to get him.  FML

Every couple years we get presented the best TE since Kellen Winslow I or whoever. Wasnt Eric Ebron supposed to reinvent the game after his measureables could not be computed by ESPN’s sport science thing?

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11 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Every couple years we get presented the best TE since Kellen Winslow I or whoever. Wasnt Eric Ebron supposed to reinvent the game after his measureables could not be computed by ESPN’s sport science thing?

Meanwhile we have Gronk who was taken in the second round and is arguably the greatest tight end ever.

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15 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Every couple years we get presented the best TE since Kellen Winslow I or whoever. Wasnt Eric Ebron supposed to reinvent the game after his measureables could not be computed by ESPN’s sport science thing?

There have only been 2 TEs taken in the top 10 in the last 15 years. Both were by the Lions and both were thought to be questionable takes at that spot. Pitts is universally considered a top 5 talent. It doesn’t mean he’ll work out, but TEs as highly graded as Pitts don’t come around every two years. 

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Meanwhile we have Gronk who was taken in the second round and is arguably the greatest tight end ever.

He only fell to the second round because he had multiple back issues in college. He would’ve been a no doubt first rounder without the injury history. 

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It's hard to think Sam won't get drafted at least in the 4th or 5th round with 5 or 6 QBs going in the 1st round, and probably a few more in the 2nd.

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I wouldn't be too upset if we landed Fields. I don't think he'll still be on the board at 32, but whatever. I hope we trade up. I'd love to land Patrick Surtain or Jaycee Horn.

Edited April 27, 2021 by Spider2YBanana

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Pitts is legit. I think he will be an all pro TE.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Pitts is legit. I think he will be an all pro TE.

Who’s been the last few “generational” TEs that actually panned out? Kittle, Kelce and Waller were 5th, 3rd and 6th round picks

I can’t think of many TEs in the first round selections besides Pettigrew

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2 hours ago, Murfdogg21 said:

This is why patient or at least not desperate teams clean up in the draft. Wilson should be mid first, Fields probably late first based on superior talent/inferior competition, couple poor games, poor faring of recent OSU QBs. Lance maybe late first based on potential, Mac Jones as a second rounder maybe due to uber talented teammates (he has two first round WRs and a borderline first RB just in this draft!). All 5 of these guys could go in the top 12, with teams devastating their future draft capital in the process. 

Disagree. Get Wilson didn't play the best competition but his release is just picturesque. I've seen very few QBs that look as natural just throwing a football as him. 

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47 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Who’s been the last few “generational” TEs that actually panned out? Kittle, Kelce and Waller were 5th, 3rd and 6th round picks

I can’t think of many TEs in the first round selections besides Pettigrew

Greg Olsen, TJ Hockenson, Vernon Davis? They're all/were pretty damn good. 

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54 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Who’s been the last few “generational” TEs that actually panned out? Kittle, Kelce and Waller were 5th, 3rd and 6th round picks

I can’t think of many TEs in the first round selections besides Pettigrew

Yeah, 1st round TEs haven't exactly hit recently: 

2020: none

2019: Hockenson (8), Fant (20)

2018: Hurst (25)

2017: OJ Howard (19), Evan Engram (23), David Njoku (29)

2016: none

2014: Ebron (10)

2013: Eifert (21)

2012: none

2011: none

None of those guys were really talked about as quite as breathlessly as Pitts is, last guy like that was probably Vernon Davis picked 6th in 2006. He had a nice career but it took him a while to really make much of an impact and he didn't really live up to his pre draft hype. Certainly didn't revolutionize the position or anything. 

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5 minutes ago, UncleSonny said:

Yeah, 1st round TEs haven't exactly hit recently: 

2020: none

2019: Hockenson (8), Fant (20)

2018: Hurst (25)

2017: OJ Howard (19), Evan Engram (23), David Njoku (29)

2016: none

2014: Ebron (10)

2013: Eifert (21)

2012: none

2011: none

None of those guys were really talked about as quite as breathlessly as Pitts is, last guy like that was probably Vernon Davis picked 6th in 2006. He had a nice career but it took him a while to really make much of an impact and he didn't really live up to his pre draft hype. Certainly didn't revolutionize the position or anything. 

I think Ebron and Hockenson are closish in hype but I agree there is even more for Pitts. 

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I don't remember any of the TEs discussed in the last decade being called generational talents. The last time someone got that kind of hype was probably Vernon Davis or even Kellen Winslow Jr.

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2 hours ago, Bevo14 said:

It's hard to think Sam won't get drafted at least in the 4th or 5th round with 5 or 6 QBs going in the 1st round, and probably a few more in the 2nd.

 

I sure hope you're right.  But I won't be surprised to be watching on Saturday during the 7th Rd and wondering if Sam will even get drafted.

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[Nicole44 22060]

Report that Patriots and Panthers have done “groundwork” on trade for 8th pick in draft. Hmmmmmmm....

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Pats jumping feet first into the QB sweepstakes. 

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5 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

Pats jumping feet first into the QB sweepstakes. 

I wonder. Having Fields/ Lance learn a year under Newton would not be a bad situation. But who knows what SF will do. Mac Jones? Fields or Lance?

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21 hours ago, Machinator said:

I don't remember any of the TEs discussed in the last decade being called generational talents. The last time someone got that kind of hype was probably Vernon Davis or even Kellen Winslow Jr.

Adam Schefter and most of the NFLN guys were quarter past midnight about Ebron. After the Lions took him, he was supposed to be the versatile weapon that finally put them and Stafford over the top in the NFC North. 

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1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Report that Patriots and Panthers have done “groundwork” on trade for 8th pick in draft. Hmmmmmmm....

If that’s their play, they probably moved to early. Now watch the Pats get punked by some team trading up with the Dolphins or Lions. 

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It would be awesome if Pitts had a career like Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates. He’s not the same type of TE and I get it. I wonder if there will be teams in a year or two that will regret not making the move for him vs this years crop of QBs.