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One of the best but hardest parts of this is most times I turn on NPR, I end up hearing them playing clips of that fuckface Trump...it’s an odd feeling of relief to not have to hear that raspy, furiously masturbatory and self congratulatory tone everyday on the news anymore but also anger we let that asshole shape our politics for so long in the first place.  

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Fuck everyone in the senate. Trash american government for trash americans.  If you are a longhorn and support this, you need to find another site. I'm done fucking around with this absolute garb

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he needs to be punished, not rewarded 

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I’m 44 years old and have never been a member of a political party nor do I have a desire. But listening to this, God damnit, If I have to pick a fucking side and wear a badge upon my sleeve, I choose

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44 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

 

I think it's a little of A and a little of B.  

 

Definitely this.  And this applies to way more than just Cruz.

However, I think this is also true.

 

The man has been in relative reach of the underworld of NYC for his entire life.  There are people that know things.  A lot of them are being quiet right now, for multiple reasons.

 

ETA: I think it's very hard for rational humans to understand the depths of depravity that these creatures live in.  Their reality is bereft of love, bereft of compassion.  We try and look at them through our lens of existence.  Their existence is hollow and acidic and sad.  They don't know joy, except at the expense of others.  They don't know love.  They have missed out on most things that we take for granted.  They are broken.  They are the weak.  This tends toward evil because it is easy.  They should be put down.

A reasonable take. I agree with @Degenerate Gardner that Cruz is pretty much what you see is what you get. He may be wholly disliked and a craven smug SOB, but I get no vibe, female intuition, or whatever in the same way as I do some of the others. 
 

And that touches on your last point. No matter what any of us believe about how Epstein wound up conveniently dead, this fact remains: He is dead. Something I suspect most of those folks would rather not be. Trump doesn’t have to tell the truth (hah!) for them to know that there is quite credibly a possibility that something could happen. He knows people. His associates know people. The man who never jokes could shoot them on Fifth Avenue and his people would cheer. But as we know, the coward wouldn’t do it, but he would have no trouble turning the job over to people who would and he would enjoy the tale of how it happened. That would make the choice for some to stick with him a little easier. Escaping the mob is not for the faint of heart, but at some point there were a few that decided it was worth the risk. 
 

That is where we are tonight on the eve of tomorrow’s acquittal. Lord help us all. 

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1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

here's what's really sad - if the vote was to remove/disqualify 97-3 (cruz, hawley, graham), then what?

are you telling me that trump, who is not in office, is going to band together with his children, jim jordan, and matt gaetz, and primary 40 republican senators (and another 25 house members) in the next 2-4 years?  from florida?  without twitter?  not bloody likely.

yet still they cower.

This is what Turtle and I'm sure many other Rs wanted to happen and expected. But not enough of them. It became clear that a whole lot of them were ride or die with Trump, so Turtle and the rest chose to continue tonguing Trump's decrepit asshole over a full blown R civil war. 

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It is really quite simple. Very few votes in history have ever been so clear.

If you vote to acquit, you vote in favor of evil, a vote in favor of the destruction of democracy, and in favor in future of chaos and future of anarchy. 

If you vote to convict, you vote to the oppose of that.

It truly is a vote of conscious.

Choose a side. History will take note. 

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5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I don’t understand how bringing witnesses makes this case stronger with all the other public facing evidence and if they did bring in GOP ghouls as witnesses, what is to stop them from straight up lying? 

Exactly. Get the phone records instead.

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There were a few Dem reps who really pissed off FDR for not backing the New Deal to his satisfaction.  He tried to primary a handful of them when he was at the height of his popularity.  He failed.  That threat is bigger in their minds than it is in reality.

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10 hours ago, Homercles said:

One of the best but hardest parts of this is most times I turn on NPR, I end up hearing them playing clips of that fuckface Trump...it’s an odd feeling of relief to not have to hear that raspy, furiously masturbatory and self congratulatory tone everyday on the news anymore but also anger we let that asshole shape our politics for so long in the first place.  

Fucker has vocal fry.

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14 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, res ipsa isn't usually applied to the main fact(s) in issue.  It usually pertains to a collateral matter that probably isn't seriously contested, but if it is must be proven by the other party.

What I said is actually wrong and comes a bit closer to "judicial notice."  Which may actually have some type of application to this. And maybe is what @Bozo_Casanova was thinking of.

Res Ipsa Loquitor is a tort doctrine applied to specialists in a field.  Like if you go in for a vasectomy and come out with a dick sewn to your forehead.  The means of committing the tort was exclusively within the control of the doctor, and the result of the surgery is so inconsistent with expected results or rational explanation, that the burden shifts to the doctor to prove that there was no negligence committed.

Judicial notice is when you ask the judge to take notice of widely published and accepted facts and then those facts are no longer subject to proof.  Like a judge could take judicial notice of a moon landing on July 20, 1969 or that the moon is not in fact made of green cheese.  The House kind of took judicial notice of most of the facts supporting the articles simply by referencing video:  widely published and accepted facts that are not subject to serious dispute.

Res Ipsa Loquitor and judicial notice are related in that they are ways of establishing facts without conventional proof (eyewitnesses, documents, etc.).

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Who is surprised by this revelation. 

 

https://www.axios.com/trump-defense-senate-acquittal-impeachment-trial-0fa32d52-2996-4590-9918-40470f8f5181.html?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_content=politics-impeachment

 

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Donald Trump directed his own defense via speakerphone on Friday, repeatedly calling his lawyers in the Lyndon Baines Johnson Room on the Senate side of the Capitol to relay his feedback, sources tell Axios. 

What we're hearing: In contrast to Tuesday's widely panned start of his defense, the Trump was said to be thrilled with his lawyers' performances on Friday — particularly by Michael van der Veen and David Schoen, both of whom "went full Trump," one person familiar with the situation told Axios.

 

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The Senate reconvenes at 10 a.m. A final vote could come by 3 p.m., three Democratic congressional aides told Axios. Democrats are not expected to have the 17 Republican votes needed for a conviction. 

Behind the scenes: Trump has been closely watching the trial from Mar-a-Lago with his former social media director Dan Scavino and other advisers. 

The defense spent a total of 2 hours and 32 minutes of the 16 hours they were allotted to make their case, The Washington Post's Mike DeBonis tallied.

 

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Trump's lawyers embraced his aggressive rhetoric and attacked Democrats for what they argued was a political hit job.

This came after a reorganization of the defense's presentation, including giving lawyer Bruce Castor Jr. a smaller speaking role, after Trump made clear he was displeased with the opening arguments.

During a break in the defense on Friday, Trump called and said he thought the team was doing "a great job" and told his lawyer to keep it up, a source familiar with the meeting told Axios.

The Senate wrapped up the trial's question-and-answer section Friday evening.

 

 

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the final vote would not have any material change but we need the Dems to call witnesses to clear up Trumps actions or lack of actions during the riot. History needs these witnesses to testify on trump failing to protect the VP and Congress from attack.

see if meadows or others are willing to lie under oath for trump. And there is no need for the witnesses to be prepped. Assuming if they are in DC, put them on the stand today. We are only asking them to recall events from 5 weeks ago.

and I realize that witnesses will realistically extend the trial a few more days and trump gets acquitted by mid week. Not to mention that Biden loses a few days of potential legislation. It’s more important that history has testimony on the senate floor that Trump failed to protect the congress and constitution.

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the final vote would not have any material change but we need the Dems to call witnesses to clear up Trumps actions or lack of actions during the riot. History needs these witnesses to testify on trump failing to protect the VP and Congress from attack.
see if meadows or others are willing to lie under oath for trump. And there is no need for the witnesses to be prepped. Assuming if they are in DC, put them on the stand today. We are only asking them to recall events from 5 weeks ago.
and I realize that witnesses will realistically extend the trial a few more days and trump gets acquitted by mid week. Not to mention that Biden loses a few days of potential legislation. It’s more important that history has testimony on the senate floor that Trump failed to protect the congress and constitution.
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We don’t live in a world where senators are honorable gentleman that disagree on tax policy, but believe in right and wrong. That world doesn’t exist anymore. The Republican Party is full of monsters. They live on power and greed. The Democrats aren’t angels, but they believe in right and wrong and Democracy. Everyone knew the final vote before the trial started. The whole point was to get these senators on record with a vote, in hopes it hurts them in 2 years, along with every other corrupt shit that comes out about Trump. 

End the trial. It’s doesn’t matter. Just get them on record. Make sure to start preparing for 2022

If I was a Senator, I would not talk about how Trump was guilty. That shit is obvious and a waste of time. I would address future generations. You’re probably reading your textbook or maybe this happened again. I would say you’re probably wondering how a President as corrupt as Trump never faced consequences for his actions, for asking foreign governments to investigate his political rivals, asking governors to rig an election, inciting an insurrection. I would say because of 45 senators that chose party over country. They chose power over country. I would list every single name of my colleagues. I would say they are the reasons America is dying. They are the reason. Remember their names. Cruz, Hawley, McConnell, Tubberville, Rand, etc. They are the traitors that ruined America. 
 

I probably wouldn’t last long in Congress. 

 

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44 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Mitch’s wing of the party lost and he just laid down and took it like a fucking bitch. 

I did enjoy the week where everyone was praising him for standing up to Trump. Then the week when everyone thought he was going to stand up to the Qanon people. It is always great to see how gullible people are during crucial times in our country. It reminds me why we got Trump. 

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Reminder that Mitch McConnell could have swiftly removed Trump from office once the House impeached but instead kicked the can while publicly posturing that he would convict after the inauguration.  

I thought his statement “many of my colleagues have asked how I will vote” was very telling. A bunch of these fuckers want cover to vote guilty and Mitch won’t give it to them.
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11 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

It is really quite simple. Very few votes in history have ever been so clear.

If you vote to acquit, you vote in favor of evil, a vote in favor of the destruction of democracy, and in favor in future of chaos and future of anarchy. 

If you vote to convict, you vote to the oppose of that.

It truly is a vote of conscious.

Choose a side. History will take note. 

Did someone say this at the trial?  Like Raskin, maybe?  Schiff?  Don't get my hopes up.

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5 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

I'm all for calling witnesses and doing whatever needs to be done to make the case. But in the end it's not going to matter. Trump could testify and say you're damn right I ordered the code red, and the GOP would still vote to acquit. 

A Few Good Men style questioning of DOTARD would be amazing

Trump: I'm an educated man but I'm afraid I can't speak intelligently about the travel habits of the QAnon  Shaman.  

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12 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Reminder that Mitch McConnell could have swiftly removed Trump from office once the House impeached but instead kicked the can while publicly posturing that he would convict after the inauguration.  

and he controlled the playbook for 12 days after the riot.  the senate could have vetoed every witness the dems wanted to call.

oops.

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1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

How much do you think Trump wants to publicly testify? 

 

I'm torn.  Trump dodged depositions in his business life, until he absolutely had to.  But testifying in the Senate, with the media broadcasting every word he says, and the ability to slander in person the Senators who would dare cross him?  

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6 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

I'm torn.  Trump dodged depositions in his business life, until he absolutely had to.  But testifying in the Senate, with the media broadcasting every word he says, and the ability to slander in person the Senators who would dare cross him?  

I imagine for Trump it would be the ultimate power trip to lie with impunity under oath at the scene of the crime. 

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