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  On 7/13/2021 at 12:35 AM, cactusflinthead said:

One of the sadder things I have read today. Mean, spiteful assholes.

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They really are. I read further in her thread, and the lege even brought in someone from Idaho (for the bill) to speak. On that specific topic some months back, I ran a scenario using percentages and it is such a small number of students for such an outsized outraged that it is obvious that don't give a crap about these children or any others.

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  On 7/12/2021 at 7:18 PM, SydneyCarton said:
That's not the point. Even close. You cite Abbot having a law degree as proof he's not a fucking dumbass. I disagree at this qualification being proof that someone isn't a fucking dumbass. I've met a few attorneys with degrees from Texas I wouldn't trust to watch my kid for 20 minutes. 

Abbott is not stupid and it’s why I really, genuinely hate him. Donald Trump, Dan Patrick, Briscoe Cain… These are stupid people. Abbott knows what he’s doing, he is cynically playing the game. He’s walked the tightrope between the MAGA and casual suburban GOP for years. Everything he does is responding to political incentives.
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  On 7/12/2021 at 7:12 PM, atomheartbevo said:
If Abbott could fuck with Congress/Treasury, he would have already done it.

The angle will be that this is Texans’ income tax dollars coming back to Texas. The federal socialists can’t tell Texans what to do with THEIR money. And white hetero Jesus as my witness, Texans want their wall!
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  On 7/13/2021 at 1:50 AM, CooterBrown said:

The angle will be that this is Texans’ income tax dollars coming back to Texas. The federal socialists can’t tell Texans what to do with THEIR money. And white hetero Jesus as my witness, Texans want their wall!

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He can't fuck around with this.  Even Trump couldn't do an end-run around Congress - he had to shuffle money within the DOD, and even that was reversed.

And TEA has already announced that it's been allocated and what programs it's going to.

Abbott is not stupid.  He can be a dumbass about some things (although arguably he is not a dumbass and just playing the part to pander to his/Trump's base), but he's not going to take that money for his wall.

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And how long can he keep an emergency session going without pissing off a lot of Republican legislators?

And Allan West is already taking potshots at Abbott for letting this happen, and claiming he wouldn't allow them to get away with it.

 

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  On 7/13/2021 at 2:43 AM, atomheartbevo said:

And how long can he keep an emergency session going without pissing off a lot of Republican legislators?

And Allan West is already taking potshots at Abbott for letting this happen, and claiming he wouldn't allow them to get away with it.

 

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west would have tortured them until they submitted 

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  On 7/13/2021 at 2:43 AM, atomheartbevo said:

And how long can he keep an emergency session going without pissing off a lot of Republican legislators?

And Allan West is already taking potshots at Abbott for letting this happen, and claiming he wouldn't allow them to get away with it.

 

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Won't Republican legislators just leave town until the Democrats return or time runs out on the special session? Why would they need to stay in Austin?

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  On 7/13/2021 at 3:27 AM, GRHorn said:
I’m just glad all the posters here enthusiastically support the rights of the minority party. 

When the majority party is attempting to maintain power through voter suppression, certainly.
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Why did they go to D.C.?  Seems like the Nancy Pelosi is calling the shots ads are going to write themselves.

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  On 7/13/2021 at 12:22 PM, WBT said:

Why did they go to D.C.?

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To lobby for HR1 and the JLVRA directly by making Senate Dems see them everyday standing up for voting rights. 

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Makes sense I guess.  I hate the nationalization of state and local politics but lord knows Abbott is desperately trying to ride Trump's coattails.

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  On 7/13/2021 at 4:26 AM, DanRydell said:


When the majority party is attempting to maintain power through voter suppression, certainly.

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While their motive is pure, I find it ironic that they have taken action to suppress the peoples elected majority from being able to vote.

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Posted
  On 7/13/2021 at 2:09 AM, Biff Tannen said:

Uh. Arrested?  On what charges?

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It's literally a Texas House rule.  Absent legislators can be arrested by the sergeant at arms (or somebody they appoint, like sheriffs/DPS)

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If a quorum is not present when the House convenes Tuesday, any House member can move to make what’s known as a call of the House to “to secure and maintain a quorum” to consider a certain piece of legislation, resolution or motion, under chamber rules. That motion must be seconded by 15 members and ordered by a majority vote. If that happens, the missing Democrats will become legislative fugitives.

“All absentees for whom no sufficient excuse is made may, by order of a majority of those present, be sent for and arrested, wherever they may be found, by the sergeant-at-arms or an officer appointed by the sergeant-at-arms for that purpose, and their attendance shall be secured and retained,” the House rules state. “The house shall determine on what conditions they shall be discharged.”

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(From Texas Tribune)

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  On 7/13/2021 at 2:23 PM, Js1 said:

It's literally a Texas House rule.  Absent legislators can be arrested by the sergeant at arms (or somebody they appoint, like sheriffs/DPS)

(From Texas Tribune)

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Well that's interesting.  Have Dems ever done it to the Rs?

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  On 7/13/2021 at 2:42 PM, Biff Tannen said:

Well that's interesting.  Have Dems ever done it to the Rs?

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https://www.denverpost.com/2019/06/20/oregon-police-republican-capitol/

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SALEM, Ore. — Oregon Gov. Kate Brown deployed the state police Thursday to try to round up Republican lawmakers who fled the Capitol to block a vote on a landmark economy-wide climate plan that would be the second of its kind in the nation.

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The Sergeant at Arms is an apolitical position, but I can speak from experience that Rick de Leon probably will pursue it if the opportunity is there in the Senate. Don’t know enough about the House one.

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  On 7/13/2021 at 2:47 PM, StassneyHorn said:

The Sergeant at Arms is an apolitical position, but I can speak from experience that Rick de Leon probably will pursue it if the opportunity is there in the Senate. Don’t know enough about the House one.

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Thinking about it now I’m pretty sure his boss is Dan P and the House sergeant at Arms’s boss is Dade Phelan, so yea

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  On 7/13/2021 at 2:43 PM, Smax said:

A quick way to turn Texas blue would be arresting the Dems when they return

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What makes you say that? Its a majority red state, and the districts are drawn accordingly? Why would it turn anyone else blue?

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  On 7/13/2021 at 3:16 PM, SydneyCarton said:

What makes you say that? Its a majority red state, and the districts are drawn accordingly? Why would it turn anyone else blue?

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I think there are many Texans like myself who have leaned right and are getting tired of this governors petty bullshit. This bill and his insistence on passing it, is a waste of time money and resources, there are far larger issues that need to be addressed but unfortunately education (we are ranked 43rd, embarrassing) and healthcare (43rd again hey at least we're consistent, consistently bad) doesn't resonate with Karens of Plano Sugarland and the Woodlands like fictitious boogeyman of voter fraud.

I don't want to say that this would be "the last straw" but fuck man this is so stupid and shows that abbott is completely out of touch and has no idea how to govern.

22k man hours for 19 cases of incorrect addresses? give me a fucking break

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  On 7/13/2021 at 3:36 PM, Smax said:

I think there are many Texans like myself who have leaned right and are getting tired of this governors petty bullshit. This bill and his insistence on passing it, is a waste of time money and resources, there are far larger issues that need to be addressed but unfortunately education (we are ranked 43rd, embarrassing) and healthcare (43rd again hey at least we're consistent, consistently bad) doesn't resonate with Karens of Plano Sugarland and the Woodlands like fictitious boogeyman of voter fraud.

I don't want to say that this would be "the last straw" but fuck man this is so stupid and shows that abbott is completely out of touch and has no idea how to govern.

22k man hours for 19 cases of incorrect addresses? give me a fucking break

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I dont disagree with anything you said, but I'm pretty skeptical it would make more than a sliver of people change their votes and voting behavior, particularly long term or at the next elections. Like anything else, today's news headlines line tomorrow's trash bins, particularly these days. 

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  On 7/13/2021 at 3:36 PM, Smax said:

I think there are many Texans like myself who have leaned right and are getting tired of this governors petty bullshit. This bill and his insistence on passing it, is a waste of time money and resources, there are far larger issues that need to be addressed but unfortunately education (we are ranked 43rd, embarrassing) and healthcare (43rd again hey at least we're consistent, consistently bad) doesn't resonate with Karens of Plano Sugarland and the Woodlands like fictitious boogeyman of voter fraud.

I don't want to say that this would be "the last straw" but fuck man this is so stupid and shows that abbott is completely out of touch and has no idea how to govern.

22k man hours for 19 cases of incorrect addresses? give me a fucking break

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Well I hope you are correct.  This isn't just an Abbott thing, but a Republican thing in general.  It seems quite plain, no?

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  On 7/13/2021 at 3:36 PM, Smax said:

I think there are many Texans like myself who have leaned right and are getting tired of this governors petty bullshit. This bill and his insistence on passing it, is a waste of time money and resources, there are far larger issues that need to be addressed but unfortunately education (we are ranked 43rd, embarrassing) and healthcare (43rd again hey at least we're consistent, consistently bad) doesn't resonate with Karens of Plano Sugarland and the Woodlands like fictitious boogeyman of voter fraud.

I don't want to say that this would be "the last straw" but fuck man this is so stupid and shows that abbott is completely out of touch and has no idea how to govern.

22k man hours for 19 cases of incorrect addresses? give me a fucking break

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Yup.. this is the kind of stuff that is turning the suburbs blue. Abbott and the GOP's priorities just aren't in line with those people anymore (and I'm one of them too).

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  On 7/13/2021 at 3:38 PM, SydneyCarton said:

I dont disagree with anything you said, but I'm pretty skeptical it would make more than a sliver of people change their votes and voting behavior, particularly long term or at the next elections. Like anything else, today's news headlines line tomorrow's trash bins, particularly these days. 

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Damn it man, I'm on the west coast at the moment so it still early and you want to bring me back to reality and ruin my day sigh ..

 

One can hope that the people begin to wake up right?

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  On 7/13/2021 at 2:23 PM, Js1 said:
(From Texas Tribune)

While true, it’s not within Abbott’s authority to have them arrested and the House’s authority to do so expires when the session does.


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